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“SVENSON ONG-A-KWIE”

By Pete Moore On November 7th, 2019

Give me strength.

Two teenagers have been found guilty of murdering 17-year-old Jodie Chesney in a park in east London … Drug dealer Svenson Ong-a-Kwie, 19, and a 17-year-old boy were both convicted of murder following an eight-week trial at the Old Bailey […]

Following the guilty verdicts, Det Ch Insp Dave Whellams, of Scotland Yard, said the murder of “girl next door” Jodie had “shocked a nation” … “They have gone there purposefully to stab somebody and they have not cared who they stabbed. They stabbed a 17-year-old girl in the back for no reason.”

Jurors heard Jodie had her back to her attackers and the knife almost passed right through her body.

There’s something very wrong out there. There’s a black hole in society which no number of youth clubs will fill. Radical social policies of the last century have stripped Christianity and morality from life, made marriage a cheap commodity and rendered fatherless homes acceptable. It’s been a catastrophe.

32 Responses to ““SVENSON ONG-A-KWIE””

  1. In a fair world, the perps would receive a 100 year sentence with zero possibility of parole.

    Would have no interest in any fake apologies from them, as written by their attorney.

    If they walk the streets at any time in the next 100 years, there is no justice.

  2. In a fair world they’d be hung, and in the town square.

    There monsters that walk among us are more in number than you want to know.

  3. The Monsters

  4. Typically ‘life’ in Britain & Ireland means 12 – 20 years. Whilst I think that the US criminal system is vindictive overkill I also think that there are crimes so heinous that they deserve minimum 25 year and in some cases natural life sentences.

  5. As low as 12 years for premeditated murder shocks the conscience of any decent person.

    That’s no punishment at all.

  6. That’s time served in prison. The convicted are still under sentence but allowed out on parole.

    When capital punishment was abolished it was on the explicit proviso that murderers would spend the rest of their lives in prison. But of course that was a lie.

  7. All life sentence prisoners are released on licence which can be rescinded at any time for them to be returned and complete their sentences Pete.

  8. If these guys don’t get full life, put them under the jail.

  9. Put them under the jail

    Disagree completely. IMO 25 years minimum tariff is sufficient for a normal murder.

  10. BBC: “Jodie was stabbed in the back in a case of mistaken identity as she socialised .. ”

    Det Ch Insp Whellams: ” They have gone there purposefully to stab somebody and they have not cared who they stabbed, …”

    But above all, this was MOST definitely NOT a racially motivated murder.

    Contrast the reporting in this case with the interminable gushing over Stephen Lawrence. Chalk and Cheese, and probably only in the headlines because the victim was a pretty young woman.

  11. Paul is unintentionally making the case for the death penalty.

  12. If a person is rehabilitated why should they be held in prison one day longer than they need to be?

  13. Punishment is part of any proper judicial system.

    Let’s say that ” Jim ” is nice to all he meets except one. He has a hatred only for ” Joe ” arising out of a specific dispute with Joe, who wronged Jim once.

    Jim kills Joe in premeditated fashion.

    Everyone agrees that Jim is highly unlikely to kill again.

    Let Jim out in six months?

  14. No because there is every possibility that given his willingness to kill when the matter “justified” itself to him means he is not rehabilitated, even if he is unlikely to commit the act again. There are other ways to judge whether or not he has been rehabilitated. The question would be that if Jim was to meet a second Joe would he kill him. If the answer is probably yes then he has not been rehabilitated. If the answer is probably no then he has been.

  15. You are playing psychiatrist now.

    Let’s say that after a long one year, that the ten best pychiatrists in the world say that he has reformed and that he has been rehabilitated.

    The pope, the archbishop of Canterbury, and Ian Paisley Jr. all agree that he has found Jesus, and that he has repented and will sin no more.

    So by your rules, he should be cut loose to go live his life.

  16. “You are playing psychiatrist now.”

    I would hope that psychiatrists would be involved in this process.

    “So by your rules, he should be cut loose to go live his life.”

    I think a minimum time frame is broadly acceptable as well, as long as it both leaves room for rehabilitation and is proportional to the offence. Lock them up and throw away the key fails that. The system you outlined in your “one year” scenario is a better result for society as a whole than the “lock them up and throw away the key” scenario.

  17. Lock them up and throw away the key fails that.

    Supposition.

    Randomly choosing a victim to murder deserves exemplary punishment. “When they are rehabilitated” is not a moral statement (as any just punishment ought to be) but an exercise in bureaucratic convenience.

  18. No it’s not

    You recoil from the idea of punishment, but punishment of wrongdoers is just as much a foundation of all decent systems as is rehabilitation

    Without punishment for serious crime, there is no possibility of justice.

  19. If Charles Manson or Eichmann had been rehabilitated beyond doubt, I would still never let either walk the streets again

  20. Paul is unintentionally making the case for the death penalty

    Paul is doing no such thing. The theroretical concept of imprisonment is based on three elements, punishment, rehailitation and justice.

  21. “You recoil from the idea of punishment, but punishment of wrongdoers is just as much a foundation of all decent systems as is rehabilitation”

    Punishment does nothing more than make people feel good at the misery of others. It is a legal, institutionalised form of sadism.

  22. Paul

    I agree, mostly.

    I would say it different though, since the proper punishment is the justice.

    I’d say it as punishment and rehabilitation. With the possibility of mercy in some cases.

    But Seamus opposes punishment unless I am mistaken. There is zero justice in such an approach.

    The US prison system has very little attempt at rehabilitation these days. Which is one reason why freed prisoners are often not reformed.

  23. “Disagree completely. IMO 25 years minimum tariff is sufficient for a normal murder.”

    According to Home office figures it costs £35,000 per year to house an individual in a British prison.

    A 25 year stretch would cost best part of a cool million (£875,000).

    No doubt a criminal on release will turn into a paragon of virtue and genius, who immediately on release will invent nuclear fusion and pay back his debt to society in a matter of a few months.

    Gotta be worth it.

    On the other hand, a full life sentence, where you are going to die in prison, is in my opinion, actually inhumane. Better to risk not getting nuclear fusion and bring back the gallows.

  24. Seamus

    Punishment is the meting out of justice.

    You are invited to run for office on a platform of ” no punishment for criminals “

    Let me know how you make out.

  25. When I say justice I meant that justice must be seen to be done.

  26. we have to have punishment to protect the innocent and deter the perpetrators.
    Rehabilitation is a kindness really, a humane way of dealing with the often inhumane.

  27. O/T Phantom, our Brexit is a lil like your Trump
    we have a basket full of deplorables that look like this
    and each and evry person i meet i can see them in this face
    Its DV,, petem, allan, brexitannia – its hideous and i’m not being cruel, it really is awful

  28. Trump and Brexit are the four year toothache when you are in an island with no dentists

  29. Radical social policies of the last century have stripped Christianity and morality from life, made marriage a cheap commodity and rendered fatherless homes acceptable. It’s been a catastrophe.

    More ridiculous claims and hyperbole from Pete Moore.
    We are demonstrably living in the safest, most prosperous and healthiest times mankind has ever known. In Victorian times for instance, when marriage and staying married, and Christianity were at much higher levels crime was also massively higher.
    Pete really does just make this s*** up as he goes along.

    https://ourworldindata.org/homicides

  30. Seamus.

    If a person is rehabilitated why should they be held in prison one day longer than they need to be?

    For punishment? Isn’t that the main reason most people are incarcerated.
    I’m against the death penalty, but I think that people convicted of murder should serve a reasonable amount of time in prison. In most cases a minimum of 20 years.

  31. Largely agreed Dave.

  32. There is nothing sinister about punishment

    You cannot have a criminal justice system without it

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