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30 years ago WWII ended and the ball was dropped

By Patrick Van Roy On November 8th, 2019

Nov 9th is the 30th year Anniversary of the end of WWII the Berlin Wall Fell. As the Wall fell the world celebrated, it was truly one of greatest days in our lives, what has happened since has been a disgrace. Opportunities were thrown away and where instead of helping the Soviet Union transition into Russia the world left it to it’s collapse. 3 decades have been lost, what a shame.

I tip my hat though to the man responsible for the final end of the War.

48 Responses to “30 years ago WWII ended and the ball was dropped”

  1. Whilst Reagan was certainly instrumental in the wall coming down the unsung hero was Gorbachov.

  2. bullshit

  3. Actually the real heroes were those trapped behind the Iron Curtain who never gave up hope.

    The Poles, Hungarians, Balts and others, who successfully led a nonviolent revolution.

  4. Gorbachov’s Perestroika and Glasnost policies were the seeds which sparked the confidence for the dissolution of the USSR.

  5. The Russians who pine for the days of empire despise Gorbachaev.

    He deserves great praise.

  6. what has happened since has been a disgrace. Opportunities were thrown away and where instead of helping the Soviet Union transition into Russia the world left it to it’s collapse.

    Yes Patrick, but “the world” meant the USA. Bush Senior was the main perp.

  7. What has happened since has been a disgrace. Opportunities were thrown away and where instead of helping the Soviet Union transition into Russia the world left it to it’s collapse

    Interesting comment. What opportunities were wasted and what would you have done differently?

  8. World War 2 ended 30 years ago?

  9. yeah the cold war was still WWII

  10. No, it was not.

    Besides everyone knows Reagan didn’t serve in WW2.

  11. What opportunities were wasted and what would you have done differently?

  12. Peter what did your nation do to help Russia when the Soviet Union Fell ?

  13. The opportunities that were lost were in combining our industry with Russia the way we combined them with China.

    Russia was our only equal. Everything we’ve done with China we should have done twice as much of the same with Russia.

  14. Mahons, on November 8th, 2019 at 10:11 PM Said: Edit Comment
    No, it was not.

    Besides everyone knows Reagan didn’t serve in WW2.

    Yes it was, and remind me. What Branch of the Service did you serve in ?

  15. The opportunities that were lost were in combining our industry with Russia the way we combined them with China

    Please flesh that out.

  16. The US led NATO pushed way far to the East, after Jim Baker promised not to do that.

    That made few friends in Moscow.

    The Americans forgot this, the Russians never will.

  17. Patrick – the Cub Scouts, and I saw as much action as you.

  18. …..which was still more than Don Don saw.

  19. The tough guy that they kneel before.

  20. One of the reasons for decline in countries of Eastern Europe is they all expected to just automatically to become like France/Germany , it wasn’t possible without wholesale restructing. Added to that the oligarche asset-stripped their resources. Furthermore the brain drain of their brightest and best upped sticks to work in Europe.
    Combine all three and you have problems; which of course the alt-right see as opportunities to seed fascism, bannon the wolf saw their plight and came over not to help but to harm.
    That’s the interesting thing about a wolf and a shepherd, they both hear the cry, but one comes to steal kill and destroy.

  21. The Cold War hadany heroes, among them Czechs, Hungarians, Poles, Russians, Balts, Germans who stood up for a freedom that took decades again horrendous regimes, and Western nations who included leaders and common people who understood the evil of communist dictators and stood up to them abroad at to their apologists at home.

  22. Had many

  23. The Cold War, and therefore WWII, didn’t really end until Trump became POTUS. Everybody knows that. Reagan & Gorbachaev were just his warm-up act.

  24. The USSR and Warsaw Pact fell apart due to their internal rot.

    The cult of Reagan gives him far too much credit for that fall.

    Military containment of the USSR worked over many years, and was implemented under Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter as well, With bipartisan support Congress throughout all the time

    And it can’t be sad often enough, the ordinary person in the captive nations Deserve a little credit too, they never gave up. As well as their families in the US and elsewhere. There used to be a captive nations parade in New York City every year

  25. I tip my hat though to the man responsible for the final end of the War.

    I would say both Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev were responsible for the wall coming down.

  26. 30 years ago WWII ended

    You might be a touch out on the end of world war II there Patrick.

  27. The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan was largely caused by the Mujahideen (with substantial international support, including the US, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc…). That weakened the standing of the Red Army within the Soviet Union. And that without that weakening the collapse of the Soviet Union could not have occurred.

    Without the huge setbacks suffered by the Red Army then likely the Politburo would have been more willing to deploy the Red Army in problem areas in Eastern Europe. The failure of the Red Army to put down a localised, anti-Communist rebellion in Afghanistan made Gorbachev, and certainly Eduard Shevardnadze, doubt that they could deploy the Red Army to put down similar rebellions should they occur in Poland, Germany etc…

    As such, the person most responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union was Osama bin Laden.

  28. Without the unwise support of the United States For the Muslims, I think that the ruthless Soviet union would have destroyed the Islam forces in Afghanistan

    Carter and Saint Reagan. were very unwise In Retrospect to have shipped all those weapons, including stingers, to the afghan Muslims

  29. it was a different time Phantom, but I agree

  30. The Cold War was part of WWII, It began before the war ended and didn’t actually stop until the Wall Fell. We should have allowed Patton to take the 3rd armored to Moscow.

    Still to this day we have 1000s of Nuclear Missiles pointed at each other.

  31. Patrick Van Roy,

    The Cold War was part of WWII

    The Cold war and world war II, may be linked in some ways Patrick, but they are recognised as two separate events. World war II did not end when the Cold war ended.

  32. PVR

    “what has happened since has been a disgrace. Opportunities were thrown away and where instead of helping the Soviet Union transition into Russia the world left it to it’s collapse. 3 decades have been lost, what a shame.” I’m not sure what you are saying. How would we have helped them transition into Russia? Why would we want to be involved? Are you advocating we should have interfered in their domestic affairs? What could have stopped the oligarchs and Putin taking over?

  33. No NYr I am advocating that we should have intertwined our economy and our markets with Russia the way we did China.

    Russia and the Russian People in their appetites and thinking are westerners. Instead of being embraced Russia was left to devolve into a thugocracy.

    Why would we want to be involved? because it’s good business

    Are you advocating we should have interfered in their domestic affairs? No not at all but we had an opportunity to infuse business and opportunity into Russia.

    What could have stopped the oligarchs and Putin taking over? Maybe nothing.

    When the Soviet Union fell we had the opportunity to pour Billions of dollars of business into Russia they are Capitalists. Capitalism lifts all boats and Russia’s economy now would not be so dependent on just oil.

    We abandoned Russia.

  34. The Cold war and world war II, may be linked in some ways Patrick, but they are recognised as two separate events. World war II did not end when the Cold war ended.

    They may be recognized as separate events but they weren’t, we were at war with Russia before the cessation of WWII.

  35. PVR

    I have a different opinion of the Russians. I don’t think they are like Westerners. I don’t think they have the same values as Westerners. I don’t think they are yet a democratic people. I don’t think they are as cultured as Westerners. They have to evolve more to come up to Western standards. Communism had a deep and destructive effect on them. I believe you have too rosy a view of them.

  36. and instead of being involved and helping them gain what was oppressed for 100yrs they were abandoned.

    NYr believe it or not it is people I have faith in. People all over the world. Race Religion none of that matters to me, never has. People being cared about and allowed to grow and be nurtured. It’s the same whether it’s a million people or a single individual.

    Give it support freedom and fairness and you get something productive. Oppress and denial of a balance of justice and you feed pain and misery.

  37. Russia and the Russian People in their appetites and thinking are westerners

    Incredible claim, there is no one ‘Russian people’.

    Russia is the largest country in the world and the Russian Federation has many different ethnicities most of which wouldn’t be western in their appetite or thinking.

  38. Indeed, Russia has 194 ethnic groups, and Russians (only 1 of the 194) make up about 80% of the population. So 20% aren’t Russian, and many wouldn’t be Western/European by any stretch of the description. Nearly 9% are Turkic of some form, 4% Middle Eastern of some form etc…

  39. Russia has no real tradition of democracy, And you get the feeling that many of them don’t particularly want democracy

    They were never a free people, not under the czars, not under the communist dictators. They were always under someone’s boot

  40. I don’t think it is necessarily about the culture or tradition. Democracy needs time to bed in. In most places that have gone from dictatorship to democracy there has been an immediate improvement of fortunes for that nation. In some it hasn’t. In some it actually went backwards, doing worse in a democracy than they did in a dictatorship. It is in those places that democracy tends to fall.

    From about 1991 to 1998 Russia lost nearly 30% of its GDP. It suffered inflation that decimated the savings of Russian people. Their spending power and living standards declined. And in the minds of many Russian people it was all democracy’s fault. They needed a strongman leader. And in came Putin. And Russia’s economy improved dramatically (some of it due to Putin’s actions, a lot of it due to unrelated issues). But it underlined the message. Russia had tried democracy and it was a failure. They went back to the old ways and it was a success.

    For Russian democracy to work there doesn’t just need to be a democracy. There needs to be a democracy and a period of success following its introduction.

  41. Seamus

    “For Russian democracy to work there doesn’t just need to be a democracy. There needs to be a democracy and a period of success following its introduction.” Wise words that I agree with as well as what precedes it. I wonder if they ever will have successful democracy and am not optimistic. Meanwhile, they need to stop invading countries and focus on improving their home scene.

  42. Russians are a proud people

    If the US had made massive investments in Russia, maybe via some sort of Marshall plan, It’s possible that many Russians would’ve seen it as a sort of takeover by the United Statesm

    I would like to see Russia and America come much closer together

    And again it is noted that one of the first calls that GW Bush got after 911 was from Putin offering any help that he could possibly give

    And the Russian military did give us Technical assistance when we went into Afghanistan

  43. listen to you all…. shame shame on you.

    194 ethnic groups, people who have never known democracy and don’t want it….

    I’m supposed to be the cynic

  44. Don’t think that everyone in the world wants western values

    GW Bush thought that the Iraqis wanted that, and that didn’t work out too well

  45. everyone wants freedom and the right and opportunity to choose their own destiny.

    Everyone could have helped Russia move along that path for their people instead we all just left it without offering a hand up. Sorry opportunity was lost, time was lost.

  46. I’d like to think that that was true, but I don’t think that it is

    Again George W Bush wanted to spread the values of freedom and democracy Into an Arab world that has very little of that

    If you want to spread American values to the rest of the world, you can’t possibly support trump, Because he despises all of that stuff

  47. Indeed phantom indeed
    The very future of democracy is at stake in USA. Caught a bit of Fiona hill answering dumb questions for GOP congressmen. She gave them both barrells.
    Nothing to do with right and left but plenty to do with right and wrong .
    She came over as a true patriot

  48. The right in USA have forgotten the meaning of patriotism defending the constitution. Trivialised and degraded by the lunatic in charge .. I hope next week we see a few bullseyes scored. No wriggle room.

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