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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On November 10th, 2019

Yes, I remember the thrilling story-book weeks 30 years ago when Communism’s grim, dark towers suddenly collapsed. I was lucky enough to be in Prague, Budapest and Bucharest when it was happening. I thought it was the end of that horrible creed. Yet now I see Communism all around me wearing new labels, from climate fanaticism to political correctness, stronger than before . Was I wrong to rejoice in 1989? I fear so.

 – Peter Hitchens

45 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. Frowning upon someone calling a blackman a nigger is Soviet Communism?

    Holy good fuck.

    But then again, I suppose it probably is to the readers of that gutter rag.

  2. ?

  3. “political correctness”

  4. Who is talking about that

    Frowning on using that language isn’t political correctness, that is frowning on using fighting words of the greatest disrespect

    Political correctness goes way way way beyond that

  5. Who is talking about that

    Hitchens and by extension Pete is.

    Long gone are the days when Brit comedians could talk about wogs, pakis and Paddies and impersonate their ‘mate’ characters called Chalkie talking in West Indian accents. When we could laugh at the black neighbours in ‘Love Thy Neighbour’ and the stupid foreign stereotypes in ‘Mind Your Language’

    Gone because of ‘Cultural Marxism’. Political correctness gone maaaaaad.

    Just because it didn’t happen on your side of the Atlantic doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

  6. Peter Hitchens is more of a communist in the true politically reactionary and intolerant sense than he would ever care to admit.

  7. Someone got up on the wrong side of the dungeon

    You are assuming that that’s what Pete Moore was talking about here and That is a big assumption

  8. No one would say that Condemning racist language is “ cultural Marxism “

    Cultural Marxism is a different thing altogether

    Again, adding two and two and coming up with 75 billion

  9. Paul

    I have to confess I used to enjoy Mind Your Language. It was daft but gently entertaining. I’d still watch it now. 😀

  10. No one would say that Condemning racist language is “ cultural Marxism “

    TV programmes taken off the air because of racial sterotypes and ‘comediens’ not being able to use racial language and use racist tropes?

    ‘Cultural Marxism’ taking over the airwaves & political correctness gone maaaaaad.

    Again […]

    Again? Big cup of catch yourself on son.

  11. Political correctness is going crazy.

    Tayto had to remove an ad that had Mr Tayto with a sad face after the death of Gay Byrne.

    Won’t somebody think of the children!

  12. To be fair that wasn’t political correctness. They out up Mr Tayto with a sad face and everyone took the piss of them.

  13. That’ll be that aul Mr Free Stayto so. Mr Nordie Tayto would be having none of that.

  14. // Yet now I see Communism all around me wearing new labels, from climate fanaticism to political correctness, stronger than before.//

    Indeed. Everywhere from the Baltic to the Adriatic, to use Churchill’s phrase, you will find former communists now real big into nationalism and mono-ethnic politics.

    Viktor Orban, much praised on these pages, used to be the Chairman of the Communist Youth League in Hungary, Slobodan Milosević, who I think Pete also defended for his ethnic chauvinism and who later got tens of thousands of people murdered in the cause of nationalism, was previously chairman of the Communist Party in Belgrade and chairman of the Federation of Serbian Communists, then there’s Vlad the Lad resplendent in his new Russian folksy costume after taking off his KGB overalls.
    And who was that former Polish communist leader who colluded with Trump’s handler Manafort?

    Populism, right-wing nationalism and communist nostalgia are also pulling together politically in Slovakia, Bulgaria and many other places in Eastern Europe.

  15. Indeed. Everywhere from the Baltic to the Adriatic, to use Churchill’s phrase, you will find former communists now real big into nationalism and mono-ethnic politics […]

    Populism, right-wing nationalism and communist nostalgia are also pulling together politically in Slovakia, Bulgaria and many other places in Eastern Europe

    Ouch!!

    Still looking forward to your beer summit post Mr Cunningham.

  16. Hitchens was a Trotskyite in his youth. He transited from that to extreme right-whingery in no time at all, so he has been consistent in being a political extremist at all times.

  17. Speaking of political extremism, with over 90% ot the votes counted in the Spanish general election far right populists VOX have gained 29 seats in the Spanish Cortes, (parliament) increasing their seat share to 53 and the third largest party in parliament.

  18. “Hitchens was a Trotskyite in his youth. He transited from that to extreme right-whingery in no time at all, so he has been consistent in being a political extremist at all times.”

    Was thinking the same, Peter. From Mussolini to the neo-cons to Peter Hitchens/Eoghan Harris et al- the wing changes but the extremism remains.

  19. Paul,

    WTF is going on there?!

  20. Ciudadanos have lost 47 seats.

    It seems Catalunya and the removal of the bones have meant the grandchildren of the Civil War are showing their true political colours.

  21. Viktor Orban, much praised on these pages, used to be the Chairman of the Communist Youth League in Hungary

    He was a secretary of a local branch in his teens, when membership was obligatory to get into university. Not only was he not a communist, he was an anti-communist dissident.

  22. Ciudadanos have lost 47 seats.

    Good. They have moved ever-rightwards in vain.

  23. Hitchens was a Trotskyite in his youth. He transited from that to extreme right-whingery ..

    It’s a measure of how far cultural Marxism has soaked the wider culture that anyone would think Peter Hitchens, a moderate conservative by any measure, an extremist or right wing.

  24. He was a secretary of a local branch in his teens, when membership was obligatory to get into university. Not only was he not a communist, he was an anti-communist dissident.

    And now he’s a right-wing pro-Putin anti-semite corruptocrat. What is your point Pete?

  25. Peter Hitchens, a moderate conservative by any measure

    LOL

  26. Only thing I need to know about hitchens is he lives in perpetual turmoil. No thanks.
    There’s a reason why the sermon on the mount said blessed are the peace makers cos that takes grit where real men are found petem. It does not say blessed are the peace keepers cos that is just a sell out to please people

  27. Funnily enough, I was reading Peter Hitchen’s blog at the weekend. He was overreacting about the dangers of cannabis, and how it shouldn’t be legalised.
    This is the same man, who used to whinge relentlessly, about oppressive ‘communists’ wanting to ban smoking, while in his opinion, in a free world people should be allowed to smoke. And passive smokers should just shut up and breath other the peoples smoke.
    (He has tried to rewrite his history, in light of his recent cannabis crusade, but you’ve only got to look back to his previous articles to see that he’s being dishonest.) and don’t even get me started on his relaxed opinion of alcohol, a drug arguably more dangerous than cannabis.
    I couldn’t help thinking of Pete Moore. Because like Hitchens, his conclusions are pained and reaching, and his defiant tone masks some pretty illogical reasoning. And of course, they are also both massive hypocrites.

  28. Conservative radio guy Michael Savage here, also, says that cannibis is really dangerous, and seems to oppose legalization.

    I don’t agree, and I see nothing that will stop legalization in more and more places.

  29. I agree phantom, cannabis isn’t without it’s problems, but legalization is definitely the better option.

    If you click on the link in Pete Moore’s post, you’ll see what I mean about Peter Hitchens. He Links to a sad story about her girl who was crippled after having a cannabis user fall on here from a great height. If this is the kind of tenuous nonsense that Peter has to post in order to justify the banning of cannabis, then I think he may as well just give up because he’s doing his case more harm than good.

  30. Yes

    And if any of these anti-cannabis arguments are to be taken seriously, then it’s clearly time for prohibition of alcohol once more

    What could go wrong?

  31. Well said Phantom.

  32. The Heritage Foundation is an important think tank, but most of that they say on this is either irrelevant false or is wrong.

    My favorite is

    Marijuana trafficking is linked to crimes ranging from assault and murder to money laundering and smuggling.

    But it’s the prohibitionists who make it linked to money laundering and smuggling!

    I would do a post on it, but won’t at the present time, as a huge majority of thinking people are supporting legalization or are close to supporting it.

    ( Pete, comment? )

    https://www.heritage.org/public-health/commentary/sorry-420-smokers-legalizing-weed-dangerous-idea

  33. Peter Hitchens has morphed into the great sulking typical daily mail hater of everything modern. So different from the genuinely independent broad and wide thoughtful intelligence that earned a respectful and admired status achieved by his brother, Christopher.

  34. The Heritage Foundation is an important think tank, but most of that they say on this is either irrelevant or is wrong.

  35. Phantom.

    I agree. What is people don’t seem to realise is the ban on marijuana would be impossible to enforce. That ship has long since sailed. Legalization is the best option.

    Colm.

    I agree with you as well mate. The Hitchens brothers couldn’t be any more different in their opinions.

  36. Dave Alton –

    .. and don’t even get me started on his relaxed opinion of alcohol, a drug arguably more dangerous than cannabis.

    Arguable, only in the mind of an imbecile.

  37. Pete are you kidding?

    I personally know a number whose lives have been significantly harmed or destoyed by alcohol, and I bet so do all here.

    Far, far worse than the damage done to people we know who smoke pot.

  38. destroyed

  39. Phantom –

    No, I’m not kidding. A little alcohol is far less dangerous than a little skunk.

    Consider also that most people who drink too much damage themselves. The psychosis and violent episodes brought on by powerful cannabis (what is the “pot” stuff? Cheech and Chong are long gone) is visited on others.

  40. I think that alcohol causes vastly, off the charts high more damage to our societies than marijuana does.

    It’s estimated that about 10,000 die in drunk driving auto accidents per year in the US. Those drunk drivers damage many more people than themselves.

    And that’s just a start.

    Don’t get me started on the damage alcohol causes in Russia

    https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

  41. Pot is a very common slang word for marijuana, then and now, in all our lands Pete.

    Why do you take offense at the word?

    Legalization is a freight train going 80 mph. It’s happening more each year.

    Do you support any continued prohibition?

  42. Pete Moore,

    Arguable, only in the mind of an imbecile.

    Smoking and alcohol kills massively more people than cannabis.
    Alcohol causes for more violent attacks and mental health issues than cannabis.

    I don’t see anything imbecilic about that argument.
    I will hold my breath for any reasonable response from you Pete.

  43. It’s become a right wing talking point that pot ( yes, Pete ) is this incredibly dangerous thing now.

    Well, no it isn’t.

    And even if the stronger strains were problematic, you could legalize the milder THC strains.

    Pete, do you or do no not support continued marijuana prohibition? Do you want to legalize it? Do you want to legalize any other drugs that are now illegal

  44. Well said Phantom.

    Pete’s actually parroting Peter Hitchens here. He’s making the false claim that all of the strongest strains of marijuana are bad for you. That is false. This is exactly the same as saying that all whiskey is bad for you because it’s a strong alcohol. Like strong drink, you can take the strongest strains of marijuana in smaller quantities. Sure some People abuse it, and that can cause more problems than the weakest strains. But that logic also applies to most drugs, including alcohol.

    Basically, Peter Hitchens argument is mostly bullshit, based on emotion and bias towards drugs you approve of and those you don’t.

  45. I don’t even have a dog in this fight, since I don’t use it.

    I do want to de-fund mafias, drugs gangs, and terrorist groups, and I’d like for harmless persons including those who only use it themselves, to not have to go to jail.

    I believe that the decriminalizations in Holland and Portugal have not resulted in increased usage of the stuff.

    You can’t call yourself a small government libertarian if you support Prohibition by the government…for no good reason at all.

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