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The Moral Depravity of Trumpism

By Phantom On November 20th, 2019

A core principle of Trumpism is to always seek to first attack the man, not to contest the idea if they can help it. Never forget this.

This philosophy, which Donald learned from his intellectual father Roy Cohn, was in full flower yesterday.

There would be few in the major media closer to Donald Trump than his early supporter Michael Savage. They’ve hung out at Mar A Lago and at the White House. Trump took him for a spin on Air Force One. They’re that close.

I listened to the Michael Savage podcast yesterday. The subject was the testimony of Lt. Colonel Alexander Vindman, a Ukraine expert, who testified before the Congress yesterday.

Vindman testified about Trump’s Ukraine shenanigans yesterday. So of course, Savage, personal friend of Trump, didn’t address any of the issues, he spend the entire show attacking a serving military officer.

Savage’s insults were many. Vindman, who was wounded in combat in Iraq, and who wears a Purple Heart, was repeatedly called a ” toy soldier “. He was called a deep state actor, a double agent, a traitor, a “Benedict Arnold”.

Other Trump media operatives including Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, writers for the New York Post, and others are engaging in similar asymetrical warfare.

None of them, especially Savage, would be carrying on like this without the approval of Trump and his team.

There is a great effort to distract the American people from the ball. So, let’s keep our eyes on the ball.

53 Responses to “The Moral Depravity of Trumpism”

  1. Good post. The Trump gang sinks to a new low.

  2. I am begging the usual suspects here to justify the personal attacks on Vindman.

  3. //Savage’s insults were many. Vindman, who was wounded in combat in Iraq, and who wears a Purple Heart, was repeatedly called a ” toy soldier “. He was called a deep state actor, a double agent, a traitor, //

    Savage was 19 years old in 1963, the height of the Cold War.

    But he’s an ultra-nationalist, a gun nut, a Trump supporter and likes to criticise decorated veterans, so, yes, he made damned sure he’d never have to serve a day in the military himself.

  4. Justify the Personal attacks…….. that takes balls.

    Let me oblige…… Alexander Semyon Vindman needs to be arrested.

    Ukrainian born, he has advised the Ukrainian’s to ignore Donald Trump, he is so involved in internal Ukrainian Politics that he was offered the job of Commander of their forces 3 Times.

    He also testified that when he got off this phone call he called 2 people…. This was a classified call, HE VIOLATED HIS OATH he was so pissed that the President didn’t use HIS talking points for the call that he got off the call and then broke the Law calling to people not cleared for the call one of them the “whistle blower”.

    Vindman is the Leak and from his own testimony he needs to loose his security clearance and be investigated as a spy.

  5. Oh yeah. Very many Trump supporters, like Trump himself, took great pains not to serve in the military.

    In the sixties, if you were in college, you evaded the draft that way. That’s what Savage did.

    Trump invented the bone spur fake injury method, which gives him A for creativity.

    Savage and Trump are both conspiracy guys.

    Savage probably gave Trump the idea of locking up political opponents, Savage has made such comments for many years. He is currently asking that Nancy Pelosi be locked up.

  6. Barack Obama had 8 Whistle Blowers during his administration…..

    Everyone of them had their homes raided and were arrested.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/08/trump-rages-about-leakers-obama-quietly-prosecuted-them/

  7. it’s so sad the bubble you exist in

  8. You always say that the WP and NYT should never be believed.

    You are obviously quoting from fake news.

  9. so everything you quote is fake…… I purposefully look for links to Wapo and the NYTs to flaunt your bull back at you since they are your bible.

  10. No, you’ve said that you own link is fake.

    You’ve said that many times.

    My first and only witness, Patrick, who disproves what Patrick has said.

    Nice job, Patrick.

  11. you can try and twist or “spin” my info all you want.

    Vindman is an an admitted leaker with ties to a foreign nation working in the NSC. He’s a security risk that needs to be prosecuted.

    He admitted under oath that he leaked a classified call, he admitted under oath that he told the Ukrainians to ignore Trump. His President, his Commander in Chief.

    Whether he disagreed or not is irrelevant he violated the UCMJ.

  12. He was so pissed that the President didn’t use HIS talking points for the call

    Right on cue:

    Paul McMahon, on November 13th, 2019 at 1:03 PM Said:

    […] When witnesses contradict these assertions or criticise the president or his subordinates – as many have done in their closed-door testimony – Republicans in the hearing will dismiss them as unelected bureaucrats whose views are shaped by policy disagreements or animosity

    Be investigated as a spy.

    A spy for who against who?

  13. Vindman’s place of birth is irrelevant to his testimony or his patriotism. There is zero evidence that he violated anything, and he’s served with distinction his entire career. The Ukrainian offer reflects their desperation to strengthen ties with the US, and has zero impact on his credibility or character.

  14. Patrick

    Nice innuendo. You’re on message!!

    What ” ties ” does he have to Ukraine.

    Be specific.

    ( I know what you will say but I want you to say it )

  15. I’ve stayed off the site and out of these conversations because they are a sham that you clowns are eating up.

    It’s not worth casting pearls…… Trump will be Impeached of that there has never been a doubt, they have been calling his impeachment since before he took the oath.

    The impeachment will not help the Democrats or hurt Trump.

    As with the Russian investigation there is no crime here except the crimes engaged in by the democrats to set this all up.

    In my view you’ve all fallen through the looking glass…. but enjoy revel in all the monstrous things that the evil Donald has done…..

    348 days till the Jury delivers the only verdict that counts.

  16. Do you endorse the personal attacks against Vindman, which are being conducted in a highly coordinated way by state GOP radio and TV and by an army of junk websites and bloggers?

  17. He was born there and he was offered command of their military forces 3 separate times….

    Under questioning from GOP impeachment counsel Steve Castor, Vindman revealed that he was offered three times the post of Ukraine’s defence minister while attending the inauguration of Ukrainian

    Those are pretty obvious and specific ties

  18. Be investigated as a spy.

    A spy for who against who?

    Would you like to clarify that?

  19. So what.

    He rejected those offers and immediately reported them to his superiors in the military and to the State Dept

    What should he have done

    He can’t control what the Ukrainian government does, he only controls his own actions.

    Is he a Ukranian agent/spy? That is what you are saying?

  20. There are no improper ties to the Ukraine. Place of birth is not to my knowledge something that one plans for oneself.

  21. The vapid Jared Kushner is, amazingly, involved in Middle East policy.

    He has ties to Israel. Financial ties, not anything job-related.

    Yet the usual suspects don’t complain about that.

    Why is that?

  22. A podcast of the one hour plus Savage broadcast from yesterday can be accessed on the link below.

    The personal attacks against Lt. Colonel Vindman continued for the entire show. They remind the student of history of Joe McCarthy’s attack on General Marshall.

    Donald Trump, Michael Savage, Alex Jones, Levin, Hannity, Limbuagh. They are a highly coordinated team now, all following in the footsteps of Roy Cohn.

    https://michaelsavage.com/podcast/

  23. Last name on the list:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8033319.stm

  24. I opposed the UK ban on Savage and still do. He’s not an enemy of the UK.

    But he actually does now engage in thinly veiled threats of violence ( ” civil war ” ) in the event that Trump is removed from office.

    Anyone who does that is not far removed from the skinheads nazis and islamicists who are also banned from the UK.

  25. I see Sondland just threw turnip under the bus

  26. Barack Obama had 8 Whistle Blowers during his administration…..

    Everyone of them had their homes raided and were arrested.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/06/08/trump-rages-about-leakers-obama-quietly-prosecuted-them/

    Someone needs to explain to you the difference between a leaker and a whistle blower.

  27. Pompedo in the wake of Sondland’s testimony today:

    Nicholas Wadhams
    @nwadhams

    Meanwhile, Secretary Pompeo is giving a briefing in Brussels. Asked by a reporter what he makes of Sondland’s testimony, he responds: “I didn’t see a single thing today, I was working. Sounds like you might not have been.”

    https://twitter.com/nwadhams/status/1197214283605655552

    What job is it that reporters do again?

  28. ” I don’t know how to respond to the unexpected testimony.

    Let me check in with the boss, who will tell me what to say “

  29. Attacks on Vindman are despicable and desperate. He is a model soldier and American. His testimony was flawless and inspirational. He is an immigrant who the US is fortunate to have serving it. Of course, some Trump supporters despise all immigrants.

    The impeachment hearings are an eye-opener for the American people. They are revealing how underhanded and sometimes illegal this administration operates. Another core Trump principle is to always to put private gain before national interest no matter the consequences and these hearings are rife with examples of that.

  30. Attacks on everyone of these people that have and will testify is justified and the job of everyone on both sides of the argument.

    How dare you pack of pompous asses….. Above criticism. There is no one that has ever or will ever exist that is not above question… Christ included.

    Men are corrupt vain creatures and the more power and success you have achieved the more you are subject to both those weaknesses.

    Vindman is a disgrace, he has admitted he violated his oath. He’s a piece of crap. You can praise him I won’t I’d spit at his feet if I saw him in uniform.

    As for the rest they are career Diplomats who are offended that their opinions not only weren’t followed but they weren’t even asked. Everything they have said is their opinions which mean absolutely nothing. The President sets Policy his is the only opinion that counts that is the Law

    Trump will be Impeached in the House without a single bit of evidence of a crime.

    You cheer this, you’re fools. This is a disgrace that history will not look kindly on.

    The only thing that counts is 348 days away. The democrats and all of you are banking on this continuing fiasco to be enough to cost Trump the election.

    It’s all or nothing….. good luck. I’ve been watching every minute of this and yes I’m biased, but I am also a realist. The dems have fallen short… IN MY OPINION.

  31. Attacks on everyone of these people that have and will testify is justified and the job of everyone on both sides of the argument.

    Okay, how about justifying this:

    Be investigated as a spy.

    A spy for who against who?

    Are you suggesting that Vindman should be investigated for spying for Ukraine? Is that what you’re suggesting?

  32. Where did Vindman admit he violated his oath? He said no such thing.

  33. Pat

    Do you think that Vindman is a toy soldier, a traitor, a Benedict Arnold?

  34. He said two things under oath that are an admission of violations of his oath under UCMJ. He gave advice to the Ukrainian govt to ignore the President, and he got off a classified phone call and spoke to two people who were NOT on the Phone Call and not cleared on it.

    Both those actions are violations of his Military Oath.

  35. He did not admit to violating anything, and if he commited a violation why isn’t JAG prosecuting him?

  36. Patrick

    Practicing law without a license again I see?

  37. He gave advice to the Ukrainian govt to ignore the President

    Are you suggesting he be investigated as a Ukrainian spy Pat?

    Both those actions are violations of his Military Oath

    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God

    ????

  38. Vindman is a disgrace,He’s a piece of crap. You can praise him I won’t I’d spit at his feet if I saw him in uniform.

    haha you better stay out of it pat, you’re in the middle of a berserk meltdown as proven above. and to a purple star vet , outrageous . all your words over 15 years about the military police law are now just shit, a pile of stinking dogs pooh if you can write what you wrote
    and ya did just write what you wrote .. staggering !!!!

  39. Are you suggesting he be investigated as a Ukrainian spy Pat?

    yes

    The President of the United States is his Superior officer. He is in the Ukraine in Uniform as a Representative and member of the United States Military Sr Command. His standing orders are to EXECUTE AMERICAN POLICY. He advised a Foreign Government to ignore his Commanding Officer.

    At the least it’s insubordination at the worst it’s treason.

  40. He advised a Foreign Government to ignore his Commanding Officer.

    Who said that.

    Gateway Pundit and the like don’t count.

  41. I loved that Vindman turned up in full dress uniform. The contrast with President Bonespurs was well made.

    Trump and his groupies like Patrick have tried to character-assassinate every single witness bar none. Because they see them all as traitors. As we will soon see, the “no quid pro quo!” trench will be abandoned for the “so what?” trench. The retreat will be sudden when it happens and there will be a major counter-attack from Fox-Limbaa-Jones. Be sure that this has been war-gamed for the past two weeks at least. I can imagine that Hannity and others have spent hours on it with Trump’s staffers (the ones he hasn’t fired yet) and the jerk in chief himself.

  42. Is it not the case that American soldiers must disobey a direct order if they believe that order to be illegal? And doesn’t the oath they swear deliberately hold the line “support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic”? So if the President is acting against the Constitution and laws of the United States in issuing his direct order isn’t it the sworn duty of a soldier to disobey that order?

  43. “I loved that Vindman turned up in full dress uniform. The contrast with President Bonespurs was well made.”

    All military personnel must wear full uniform when appearing at the White House or Congress.

  44. Trump boot licker Nunes tried to disrespect Vindman by calling him ” mister ” and not by his rank.

    Lt Colonel Vindman corrected him right quick.

    The disrespect by Nunes was highly intentional.

    Multiple Trumper sites mocked Vindman for showing up in uniform.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/29/nsc-official-alex-vindman-testifies-in-full-military-uniform-despite-not-wearing-one-to-work-every-day/

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/a-bad-look-vindmans-testimony-while-in-uniform-divides-military-community

  45. it’s in his testimony the transcript that was released vof his closed door testimony.

    Didn’t you read it ?

    Have you read any of the transcripts ?

    Have you watched ANY of the hearing other than hand picked clips ?

    I’ve watched every minute and read every transcript that has been released. I said I was not going to bother fighting this argument because it is a pr scam nothing more. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t poke shit out of every point and every clown in the whole affair.

    Once Nancy had the vote the die was cast, Trump was going to be impeached and it was guaranteed to be a circus. So be it.

    It’s less than a year to the election. The Democrats have banked the entire election on the Impeachment.

    The Republicans have no plan. The GOP is dead, but Trump is not. The second half of this show has yet to start. When it does so will I……

  46. Yes

    So tell me Pat, what are the basis of the spy claims? What US secrets has he imparted to the Ukrainians?

    Isn’t it illegal to solicit foreign aid against a domestic rival? What part of ‘his standing orders are to EXECUTE AMERICAN POLICY’ is that?

  47. I see no evidence that Vindman told Ukraine to ignore the US president’s advice, and I don’t think that anyone else has seen it either.

    Patrick, please stand and deliver.

  48. I have to say, I find the suggestion that an exceptionally competent and highly decorated US combat veteren who has given two decades of his life to the US military and was severely injured in the course of his duty should be investigated as a ‘spy’ particularly distasteful and incredibly low.

    It seems like the personality cult has trumped patriotism.

  49. Paul – he and his 2 brothers served. In fact his twin brother I believe is still working in the White House.

  50. The betrayals aren’t from Vindman, guys.

    Take a long look at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and among the Trumper supporrting media

  51. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181560708808486914

    I would love to send Ambassador Sondland, a really good man and great American, to testify, but unfortunately he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, where Republican’s rights have been taken away, and true facts are not allowed out for the public….

  52. Lol.

  53. there’s numerous movies plays where one of the actors ends up going bananas screaming “traitors” , “spies” , “treason” and exits stage left , or is chased by men in white coats.
    Pat if your meltdown tonight wasn’t so serious it’d be fucking hilarious
    actually it is hilarious , only because its so predictable 😉
    Infamy, infamy, they’ve all got in in-for-me