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It’s Started……

By Patrick Van Roy On November 30th, 2019

49 Responses to “It’s Started……”

  1. It starts tomorrow. November is NOT Christmas ☹️

  2. it started YESTERDAY…….

  3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwxZP9oIGh8

  4. Yes Patrick, I know you yanks think Christmas starts the day after Thanksgiving , but Jesus wasn’t American, he was as everyone knows, a Brit… with Irish parents , just like me 😉

  5. New Zealanders can claim its started and Aussies, the rest of us have to be patient
    which ofc we are very good at, aren’t we ? lol

  6. Colm, where in Ireland are your parents from and do you still have relations there?

    My second fave Christmas song by one of the greatest bands England has ever produced:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpfHSqLXePI

  7. The Late Late Toy Show was last night so it has started – still too early for decorations though.

  8. Paul

    Dad was from Dublin, mum from Galway, Connemara to be precise. Yes I have relatives mainly in Galway.

  9. Your mother was an Irish speaker?

  10. Yes, native and fluent. She couldn’t speak any English until she came over here to have an operation when she was 14. When I was a child she would annoy me by talking on the phone in Irish to her sisters and I was frustrated I couldn’t understand what they were gossiping about 😉

  11. Do you go back to Ireland often ? I have an opportunity to work out of our Dublin offices for a while next year (thanks to Brexit) Never spent much time in Galway. This will be a great chance to explore.

  12. I have visited Ireland frequently in recent years but I go back less often now as the relatives are sadly dying off. I usually go back for funerals now 😢

  13. That’s rough. It’s happening to all of us I think. Are the relatives still speaking Irish?

  14. // native and fluent. She couldn’t speak any English until she came over here to have an operation when she was 14. When I was a child she would annoy me by talking on the phone in Irish to her sisters//

    Wow, Colm, I didn’t know that.
    Your dad was from the most easterly and your mum from the most westerly part of Ireland.
    Then there’s our host from Donaghcloney in the north (which wee town I passed through a few weeks ago) and I think Petr from the deep south.

  15. Patrick. Terrible Christmas song.
    Paul. Great Christmas song.

    Colm is correct, it’s way too early for Christmas songs.
    However now that the seal has been broken, I’ve got to post the best of all time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jbdgZidu8

  16. It’s way too early for Christmas songs

    In my local supermarket they were playing that bullshit one week ago

  17. My no1 Christmas song of all time Dave. I quite like this too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HkJHApgKqw

  18. Paul.

    Another excellent choice mate.
    We like our Christmas songs with gritty realism. 😁

  19. mairin

    The remaining ones of my mum’s generation can speak Irish but they all converse in English now. I think the younger ones only know the school Irish they are taught. None of them speak it as an everyday language.

  20. It’s Started……

    Christmas starts on Christmas Eve.

    Then there’s our host from Donaghcloney in the north (which wee town I passed through a few weeks ago) and I think Petr from the deep south.

    And me. I’m Irish too. Don’t forget that. My treasured passport proves it.

    The remaining ones of my mum’s generation can speak Irish but they all converse in English now.

    Huzzah.

  21. Oh you are awful Pete, but I like you 🙂

  22. My mother recollected to me the other day I was really good at school learning Irish
    Sadly I don’t recall much, you have to use it , or lose it 🙁
    I can do all the regional accents though 🙂

  23. My Irish Passport arrived last week , just in time for the chaos of Brexit
    methinks might hole up in some monastery retreat home in Eire, until all the riots are over
    Gonna be food shortages, misery like never before
    Of course not for the millionaires who are driving the policy the dirty feckers

  24. another nice Christmas tune……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpkI7GW2V34

  25. kurt

    There won’t be riots, just a dumbed down population becoming slowly poorer,nastier,and more narrowly mindedly insular. They won’t be happier or economically better off after Brexit, but they will continue to be brainwashed by the right wing populist media that everything is still “those Bloody Foreigners” fault !

  26. Xmas starts 12:01 pm on Xmas Day and ends after 24 hours, enjoy the day with relatives , the food, the drink and the carols and the family rows , sprouts farting, feeling stuffed.
    breathe sigh of relief when its over , and New Year is the biggie

  27. Patrick, if you were a true Catholic, you’d know that the season of Christmas doesn’t start until December 25th, and then continues until the Epiphany.

    Any “Christmas Season” before December 25 is just a materialist period of commercial bling to help fools and their money be parted.

  28. Bah Humbug !

  29. The Christmas Season begins the day after Thanksgiving………

    And actually Noel the date of Christs birth is an unknown the date december 25th was stolen to replace a Pagan Holiday

    If you believe the legend of the Star of Bethlehem the conjunction took place in September…..

  30. NO Patrick, the season begins on December 13th, the day after my mum’s birthday. Once I got here Birthday present and dinner out of the way I could then start thinking about Christmas 🙂

  31. Patrick Van Roy,

    And actually Noel the date of Christs birth is an unknown the date december 25th was stolen to replace a Pagan Holiday

    Very true. A lot of our Christian Christmas traditions actually come from paganism.

  32. The Christmas Season begins the day after Thanksgiving

    That is an American practice that was literally started by large department stores, Who wanted the longest possible Christmas sales season

  33. //the date of Christs birth is an unknown the date december 25th was stolen to replace a Pagan Holiday //

    That’s just one theory. Actually, ancient Christians believed that the Annunciation took place on 25th March, which is day it is still celebrated. So Christ would very naturally have been born one gestation period later – ergo 25th December.

    Another theory is that it’s based on the ancient Hebrew festival of Lights, which was on 25th December. Jesus, after all, said that he was the Light of the World, so it was obvious that 25.12 was the day to celebrate him.

    The “birthday” as a big day of hype for the person concerned is a relatively new invention and only started in the west. In the Middle East to this day, many people – including educated and wealthy people – literally don’t know what date they were born on, and don’t care. That’s why in schools you see 1st January of a certain year given for many pubils. About half the class would thus celebrate their birthday (except they don’t bother with such nonsense) on the same date.
    For early Christians, Jesus’ Baptism was much more important than his mere birth.

    I personally detest the notion of birthdays, which is just another money-spinner, and hope the practice soon dies out.

  34. You miserable old git Noel. 😉

  35. I personally detest the notion of birthdays, which is just another money-spinner, and hope the practice soon dies out.

    You miserable bugger Noel. 😁
    I wonder will that money spinner religion die out as well?

  36. The Star of Bethlehem is believed to be a conjunction of Planets the Sun, the Earth, Jupiter and Saturn, it only happens once every 900years.

    It could have also been a supernova which occured at the same time period in the constellation Aquila.

    Having spent many years studying the astronomical explanations and reviewing the associated biblical stories, he is now an expert on the subject.

    But there are some intriguing historical parallels.

    The three kings were religious scholars known as the Magi – revered Babylonian astronomers and astrologists. They studied the stars and planets, interpreting the meaning behind cosmic events.

    Anything very unusual was considered an omen, so the star must have been both rare and visually spectacular. And, says Hughes, it would have had a very clear message for the Magi.

    This leads the astronomer to conclude that the star of Bethlehem was probably not a star at all, and that it was more than one single event.

    “If you read the Bible carefully,” says Hughes, “the Magi saw something when they were in their own country – [probably Babylon] – so they travelled to Jerusalem and had a word with King Herod.”

    According to the story, the Magi told Herod of the sign they had seen and, says Hughes, “when they left Jerusalem [for] Bethlehem, they saw something again”.

    Reading the stars
    By Dr Helen JacobusUniversity College London

    The tradition of celestial events signifying events on earth originated in Mesopotamia more than 3,000 years ago.

    Astronomer-astrologers reported omens to the king; these were anything unusual – perhaps the moon moving in front of a planet, or a lunar eclipse. Their job was to interpret the meaning of these phenomena.

    There was also an elite class of Babylonian diviners who created nativity charts. They recorded the positions of the planets, the Sun, the Moon and other astronomical data at the time of a child’s birth, in order to make predictions about that person’s life.

    About 2,000 years ago the Greeks turned this into the sort of horoscope we would recognise today, charting the zodiac signs in which the Sun and Moon rose, as well as the planets that rose in the east for each moment in time.

    Some believe that the wise men from the East, or the “Magi” of the nativity, were astrologers from Mesopotamia, and that the star rising in the east was the horoscope that predicted the birth of a king.

    If so, they were reading a nativity chart in reverse; they had the prediction and sought to find the child who had been born at that precise moment.

    Ancient astrology: How sages read the heavens

    Hughes’s best explanation for this series of events is something known as a triple conjunction between Jupiter and Saturn – with the two planets coming close together in the sky three times over a short period.

    “[This happens when] you get an alignment between the Sun, the Earth, Jupiter and Saturn,” says Hughes.

  37. the most interesting thing about Jesus is what he said and did
    Is it all just intellectual tickling for you Noel ?

  38. Patrick Van Roy,

    The Star of Bethlehem is believed to be a conjunction of Planets the Sun, the Earth, Jupiter and Saturn, it only happens once every 900years.

    How would a conjunction of the planets produce a bright light in the sky?

    It could have also been a supernova which occured at the same time period in the constellation Aquila.

    A supernova would certainly produce the brightest star. But this would be a bright star in the sky for months at least and you would expect it to be documented somewhere outside of the Bible.

    There seems to be very little evidence that this bright star ever actually happened.

  39. Sorry I got my quotes out of sync then.

  40. There was a recorded supernova in February 4 BC.

  41. Seamus.

    Where was this recorded?

  42. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1978JRASC..72…65M/0000066.000.html

    In the 3rd volume of General Catalogue of Varialbe Stars (Kukarkin et al. 1969-71, hereafter denoted as GCVS) there is a compilation of data on ancient and medieval supernovae and novae. The above-mentioned objection to a nova theory is refuted when we note in this table that a nova on February 23, 4 B.C. was recorded in China, Korea and Palestine.

  43. Human starcharts and recording of events dated by Celestial observation are the few things from the past that have showed provable accuracy.

    Where the human written word varies on ancient events Historians give higher credit to the ones with celestial data.

    The most accurate records in all recorded history and even in the lost records are the celestial observations. Mankind has been mapping the stars longer than it has been mapping the planet.

    Stonehenge, the great Pyramid and other structures around the world were built on a celestial compass that accurately follow the stars. We don’t know how these places were built, but their accuracy to the star movements is still beyond our ability today.

  44. //How would a conjunction of the planets produce a bright light in the sky?//

    If the two planets were relatively close to the earth on their orbits at the time, the conjunction would appear as a very bright light. The apsides of both Jupiter and Saturn would have to be at perihelion while the apsis of the earth would ideally be at aphelion.

    Jupiter alone, when at perihelion and the earth at aphelion apsis, is itself bright enough to cast a shadow on a white wall. So, boy, you can imagine how bright the two planets would appear if aligned when at perihelion.

    (I’m sure there’s a more scientific way of explaining this, but you’ll sort of know what I mean, like)

  45. Pat, could you check your mail pls.

  46. add to that…. no pollution, no background light from electricity. Have you ever seen the milkyway from the mountains or the desert ?

  47. I’m walking out the door in 2 minutes Paul.

    I’ll get to my mail tonight…. sorry

  48. An Irishman, and Englishman and a Scot are on their way to a Christmas party given by an elderly female friend of theirs. Although there’ll be women galore at the party, the old hostess is a bit prim with alcohol, so our three lads decide to get well oiled before heading over to her house.

    When they come staggering down the road they suddenly realise that she had told everyone to bring something Christmasy to the party, otherwise no entry. But all three continue on in silence, each knowing that he has something with the true Christmas spirit.

    When they get to the door and the old lady asks to see their Christmas tokens, the Englishman pulls out and flicks his cigarette lighter and says: “See, like a Christmas candle”. He gets in.
    The Scot then jingles his keys in front of her and says: “Like sleigh bells”, before entering.

    The Irishman then pulls out of his pocket and holds up a pair of frilly knickers. The old lady is disgusted and asks what they have to do with Christmas.

    “Well, they’re Carol’s.”

  49. Noel,

    //How would a conjunction of the planets produce a bright light in the sky?//

    If the two planets were relatively close to the earth on their orbits at the time, the conjunction would appear as a very bright light. The apsides of both Jupiter and Saturn would have to be at perihelion while the apsis of the earth would ideally be at aphelion.

    When two planets are close to each other, visually speaking, (but not one behind), as yiewd from a particular point on Earth, they can look brighter. But they do not produce the very great like that you describe Noel.

    I really see no evidence that this bright star is anything but a story in the book of Matthew. I’m pretty sure that the Romans at the very least would have reported on this.

    https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/visible-planets-tonight-mars-jupiter-venus-saturn-mercury

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