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By Pete Moore On December 1st, 2019

A 65-year-old American man who rigged his home with a booby trap to keep out intruders has been killed by the device.

Ronald Cyr called police in the town of Van Buren in the state of Maine to say he had been shot.

Police found a door had been designed to fire a handgun should anyone attempt to enter. Mr Cyr was taken to hospital but died of his injuries.

It is not uncommon for home-owners to install such traps – but it is illegal.

It is “not uncommon” for Americans to booby-trap their homes? Really?

69 Responses to “WHAT?”

  1. Darwin Award Semifinalist

    I’ve certainly never heard of anyone doing this around here.

    The dearly departed lived in one of the safest places in North America and he decided to do this?

    At least the imbecile didn’t kill anybody else.

  2. The dearly departed lived in one of the safest places in North America and he decided to do this?

    What could possibly have made him change his mind?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/us/portland-maine-african-migrants.html

    PORTLAND, Me. — Through the winter, the families streamed into Portland, bringing stories of violence and persecution in their home countries in central Africa. Portland’s shelter for homeless families soon filled to capacity, so the city put mats on the floor of a Salvation Army gym for 80 more people.

    Then that, too, wasn’t enough. This month, 250 migrants from Africa arrived in this northeastern city of roughly 67,000 residents in the span of just a week, overflowing the overflow space and forcing Portland to hastily convert a basketball arena into an emergency shelter. Urgent calls went out for interpreters who could speak French, Portuguese and Lingala, a language spoken in the Democratic Republic of Congo. City Council meetings were given over to grappling with how Portland would pay for all of this — and the possibility that still more migrants might be coming.

    Because Maine needs Africans to bring first-world problems into perspective

    It is a bit of a mystery in Maine, one of the oldest and whitest states in the country, how Portland has become a focal point for a sudden surge of migrants, mostly from Angola and Congo, who are seeking asylum.

    I reckon that I’ve solved the mystery…….

    Mr. Strimling, the mayor, has been an outspoken advocate for welcoming immigrants

    Mr Strimling is a NYC jew who somehow, gets elected mayor by idiot whites in a nice, peaceful, white part of the US.

  3. Van Buren Maine is over 300 miles away from Portland. It would be like someone putting extra security in place in Edinburgh because of knife crime in London.

  4. Phantom,

    Darwin Award Semifinalist

    Only if he hasn’t got kids mate.

  5. It’s called a BOOBY trap for a reason.

  6. I wonder who he voted for in 2016. I wonder what news channel he listened to,

    Again, he lived in such a pleasant, safe state, The only thing wrong with Maine would be the really cold winters.

    He second amended himself but good.

  7. His siblings said he might have senile and haf reported things missing from his home. They tried to discourage him from guns because he wasn’t used to them. They tried to get him to buy an alarm or fence to no avail. If it was senility…poor soul.

  8. He lived on the Canadian border. BTW, I read this earlier in the day and don’t remember the source.

  9. I hate this phone!

  10. Thank goodness this fool didn’t wind up killing anyone else. I think it would have been better reporting to say booby traps are not unheard of, but they certainly are not common.

  11. Whoever wrote that they are ” not uncommon ” is invited to take a Journalism 101 class.

    Self-terrified rural American men with guns are not uncommon, lethal traps like I’d think are exceptionally rare.

    If anyone helped him set that device up, that person/company/website should be prosecuted. Though I doubt there will be any investigation of that.

  12. This actually used to be quite common it has become much more rare. All across the east coast can’t speak to anywhere else people have cabins and they get broken into all the time, so they set booby traps usually a shotgun wired to the door.

    Self-terrified rural American men with guns are not uncommon lmao so says the city boy….. whose petrified of guns.

  13. I endorse guns, when properly used by very well trained an vetted gun owners.

    In Maine,

    you don’t need a permit to buy a gun

    there is no registration of arms

    there is no gun licensing

    there are no training requirements

    A gun-nut friendly state

    Which is one reason why Maine has a firearms mortality rate that is three times higher than NY state. ( PA gun death rate higher than that )

    https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/maine/

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

    The death of this clown didn’t just happen. Bad NRA law helped make it happen.

  14. Gun death rate

    Hawaii 2.5

    Massachusetts and New York, both 3.7

    Pennsylvania 12.5

    Alabama 22.9

    Alaska 24.5

  15. sorry you’re an anti-gun nut whose views on the topic are just fuel for ridicule.

  16. Suicide rate by state

    Hawaii 15.2

    Massachusetts 9.5

    New York 8.1

    Pennsylvania 15

    Alabama 16.6

    Alaska 27

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/suicide-rates-by-state/

  17. As compared with NY State, we’ve shown ( repeatedly ) that

    Pennsylvania
    has three times higher firearms death rate
    almost twice the suicide rate
    more than twice the homicide rate ( see below )

    Is this satisfactory to you?

    Why do you think that this is so?

    Should anything be done do address the high death rate in PA from suicide/gun death/homicide? If so, what?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

  18. Interesting statistics, Phantom.

    The edgy or neurotic NewYorker is legendary, and it’s interesting to see there are twice as many suicides in Pennsylvania and apple-pie Alabama.

  19. New Yorkers get their aggression out and dealt with, quickly for the most part.

    The fake-polite people in some other places don’t.

    Keeping a gun in the house makes suicide by a resident ( including by a vulnerable teenager boy ) vastly more likely.

  20. People who want to kill themselves are going to kill themselves whether there is a gun in the house or not.

    As compared with NY State, we’ve shown ( repeatedly ) that

    Pennsylvania
    has three times higher firearms death rate
    almost twice the suicide rate
    more than twice the homicide rate ( see below )

    Is this satisfactory to you?

    Why do you think that this is so?

    Should anything be done do address the high death rate in PA from suicide/gun death/homicide? If so, what?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate

    Pennsylvania is the #1 state for the sale of Firearms since records have been kept more guns are sold legally in Pa than any other state.

    But lets look at your questions…..

    Is this satisfactory to you? of course not.

    Why do you think that this is so? very simple our two major cities are sanctuaries for illegal firearm activity over 95% of the gun violence is committed by people who have no legal right to own a gun. Also Philadelphia has been in the top 5 most violent cities in the country since records have been kept.

    Should anything be done do address the high death rate in PA from suicide/gun death/homicide? If so, what? You can’t do anything to lower the suicide rate by gun except ban all guns, then the suicide rate will remain the same it just won’t be by gun.

    It’s very simple to lower the gun violence rate by simply using the mandatory sentencing guidelines.

  21. If a gun is around the house, suicide by a resident is vastly more likely.

    That’s why those numbers are what they are.

    No one is talking of banning all guns, but there should be much more of an effort to educate the public about how keeping a gun in the house increases the suicide/crime of passion danger for all residents.

  22. no one is talking of banning guns….. really ?

    https://spectator.org/gun-confiscation-comes-to-virginia/

  23. Phantom, on December 2nd, 2019 at 3:41 PM Said:
    If a gun is around the house, suicide by a resident is vastly more likely.

    That statement shows you know even less about Mental Health than you do firearms… and that’s amazing.

  24. No one is talking of banning all guns.

    Sandy Hook mass murder assault weapons are not all guns.

  25. Thank you for proving my point.

  26. and read that article Pay close attention to what they are banning and what they plan to confiscate the wording is in the article.

    Phantom what’s the difference between these two rifles ?

    http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/26493/23718623_2.jpg?v=8D304C525B41840

    https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/33247-DEFAULT-l.jpg

  27. No need for this angels on the head of the pin discussion yet again.

    AR-15s and other weapons of mass murder can and should be banned.

    No one has any constitutional right to do a Sandy Hook.

  28. So to you how a gun looks determines whether or not it should be banned.

    The 2 Rifles above are both semi-auto .308s. Both fire the same round at the same rate of fire yet one would be banned and one would not…..

    Why because stupid people like all bigots judge people and Guns by the way they look not by reality.

  29. Phantom, on December 2nd, 2019 at 3:41 PM Said:
    If a gun is around the house, suicide by a resident is vastly more likely.

    That’s actually completely correct. Some people will try other methods, but those methods are less likely to be fatal, and some of them will then realize that they are glad to be alive. There’s a suicide prevention speaker whose name I can’t recall who tried to kill himself by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, but he survived. He talks about how, as he was falling to what he thought would be his death, he was regretting the decision.

    Most suicide attempts are the result of impulsive decisions (in the context of significant mental health, financial, family, etc. difficulties). A gun in the house makes it a lot easier to act on that impulse.

  30. Nothing as instant as a gunshot.

    The gun nuts get really pissed off if you bring up gun suicide, why they will never bring it up themselves.

    In Florida, the gun nuts actually passed a law that prevented doctors from asking patients if they owned guns. This law was overturned in by the courts.

    The gun nuts never, ever want to talk seriously about any part of this issue.

  31. In Florida, the gun nuts actually passed a law that prevented doctors from asking patients if they owned guns. This law was overturned in by the courts.

    Not just Florida….. the Anti-Gun Nuts pressured the medical industry into including this question. The failure to make progress in other ways of banning firearms really have made no progress.

    A push was made to make gun ownership a health issue and the CDC and AMA issued a mandate that questions regarding gun ownership. This caused a National Outrage.

    if you’re thinking these guidelines are merely about safety, they come directly from journals that seek to treat firearm ownership as a health epidemic. Dr. Katherine Christoffel, one of the authors of an American Academy of Pediatrics’ policy to advise gun-owning families to get rid of their firearms wrote in an American Medical Association journal “Guns are a virus that must be eradicated.”

    Many, rightly, object to this invasion of privacy. The doctor-patient relationship is built on trust that the physician is knowledgeable on the subject and has the patient’s best interests in mind. A doctor who misuses their position of authority makes a gross violation of ethics. You wouldn’t go to gun store to treat a broken arm, so why would you expect a doctor to give advice on firearms?

    Where are the questions about pools, stairs, household cleaners, etc. If safety is the main concern, then shouldn’t they also ask about the neighborhood I live in, and if it’s not safe, would they suggest I get a gun to protect my family?

    The public health push for banning guns goes back to the late 1980s at least. In a 1989 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, Centers for Disease Control (CDC) official Patrick O’Carroll, MD stated “We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths. We’re doing the most we can do, given the political realities.” (P.W. O’Carroll, Acting Section Head of Division of Injury Control, CDC, quoted in Marsha F. Goldsmith, “Epidemiologists Aim at New Target: Health Risk of Handgun Proliferation,” Journal of the American Medical Association vol. 261 no. 5, February 3, 1989, pp. 675-76.) The CDC’s anti-gun activism ran unabated until the mid-1990s. We shall discuss those events in Part II of this series.

    These medical researchers insist that what they call “gun violence” is a public health problem. That they prefer the term “gun violence” is revealing of their mind set in approaching the problem, because it puts the emphasis on guns and not on the humans who misuse them. This misleading public health terminology, enthusiastically repeated by fellow gun control advocates in the mainstream media, ignores the fact that almost none of America’s 80 to 100 million gun owners have any role whatsoever in the misuse of guns. Normative gun ownership is foreign to most mainstream media personalities and to public health anti-gun rights advocates. They fear guns and gun owners, and they have no interest in learning about them or respecting their views. These prejudices and fears drive their campaign to bring ever more regulation to American gun owners.

    It is for these reasons that public health gun control advocates typically say such reckless things as:

    “Guns are a virus that must be eradicated.”—Dr. Katherine Christoffel, pediatrician, in American Medical News, January 3, 1994. In the 1990s Dr. Christoffel was the leader of the now-defunct HELP Network, a Chicago-based association of major medical organizations and grant seekers advancing gun control in the medical media. The name HELP was an acronym for Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan.

    “Data on [assault weapons’] risks are not needed, because they have no redeeming social value.—Jerome Kassirer, M.D., former editor, New England Journal of Medicine, writing in vol. 326, no. 17, page 1161 (April 23, 1992).

    “I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned.”—Assistant Dean Deborah Prothrow-Stith, M.D., Harvard School of Public Health in her book Deadly Consequences.

    https://drgo.us/public-health-gun-control-a-brief-history-part-i/

  32. No one is talking of banning guns….. really ?

    Yeah, really. I think Phantom’s claim was ‘no one is talking of all banning guns’

    Hard to believe that on a gun thread a mass shooting in New Orleans goes unmentioned.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50619957

    Is it so normalised and people so desensitised to it that only mass killings warrant discussion?

  33. On the same weekend in 2016, a man was killed and nine other people wounded in a shooting on Bourbon St.

    In June 2014, another shooting incident on Bourbon St left one person dead and nine injured.

    It is normal.

  34. That’s a million miles away from normality Pat.

  35. not here in our major cities Paul….. it’s a Daily event.

    Every day, 310 people are shot in the United States. Among those:

    100 people are shot and killed
    210 survive gun injuries
    95 are injured in an attack
    61 die from suicide
    10 survive a suicide attempt
    1 is killed unintentionally
    90 are shot unintentionally
    1 is killed by legal intervention
    4 are shot by legal intervention
    1 died but the intent was unknown
    12 are shot but the intent was unknown

  36. I’d say the number of bodies on London Bridge on Saturday would have been higher if that killer had had a gun and not just a knife.

  37. https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics

  38. Even more if the vest he was wearing was real……

  39. I may have got this wrong but that comes across as some kind of perverse boast.

    Those stats in that link are a million fucking universes away from what normality is.

  40. Not a boast, just simple reality.

    That is Normal in the US. Sad and a Disgrace, but real and normal.

  41. It’s not the normality that I recognise.

    Sad & disgraceful, yes. A blemish on US society that such barbarity should be allowed to happen.

  42. That’s what happens when you don’t prosecute the criminals for firearm violations.

  43. 32,000 Americans are shot to death every year. That’s ten or eleven September 11ths every year. If the legislative reaction to gun deaths was even 1/10th of the reaction to 9/11 then you would be a long way along the road to tackling the problem.

  44. 60% of all gun homicides are suicides. So I don’t know how prosecuting firearm violations is going to put a dent in those numbers.

  45. That’s what happens when you don’t prosecute the criminals for firearm violations.

    No that’s when you have too many guns in a population.

    Where half the owners don’t know which end of the gun the bullet comes out of, etc.

  46. It won’t Seamus.

    The suicide numbers are only included to blame them on the guns and not the fact that that many people want to and do kill themselves. We have a severe mental health crises in the US it manifests itself in suicide and drug addiction. Addiction claims more lives every year than we lost in the entire 19 years of the Vietnam War.

    The 30% of the gun deaths could be reduced to less than 3% over 10 years just by following the mandatory sentencing Laws.

  47. “The 30% of the gun deaths could be reduced to less than 3% over 10 years just by following the mandatory sentencing Laws.”

    Any proof of that?

    And suicide numbers are included because gun suicide attempts are far more likely to lead to death than pretty much any other type.

  48. That’s what happens when you don’t prosecute the criminals for firearm violations.

    The US has the highest conviction rates and prison population per catita in the world Pat.

  49. It’s a conspiracy.

    Wanna talk suicide rate by country?

    The US has a suicide rate among young persons ( age 15-24 ) of 13.7 per 100,000 while the UK has a rate of 6.7 for the same age group.

    Why those stats must be ” fake news “, another George Soros plot!!

    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

  50. Firearms violations won’t put any dent in the suicide rate

    Nor will it stop any accidental shooting deaths

    Nor will it stop any idiot from shooting his neighbor in some dispute ( happens a lot )

    Endless diversion, endlessly….

  51. Yes, neighbour disputes mixed with alcohol and firearms are truly a match made in heaven.

  52. I know people in two instances ( NY state, NC ) who had arms pulled on them by jittery gun owner neighbors who thought they were doing the right thing.

    Will leave the details out, but this is not an uncommon thing at all.

  53. A suicide is a suicide they would be just as dead no matter how they did it. You and others try to sell that if there were no guns those people wouldn’t kill themselves. That’s bullshit.

    Any proof that putting criminals away for a minimum of 5yrs if they are in possession of a gun would reduce the numbers of criminals using guns….. are you serious ?

    Over 90% of all violent crime is committed by less than 10% of criminals. Right now the avg violent criminal never spends more than 3yrs at a time in jail. Most murderers serve less than 10.

    First offence on the Mandatory sentencing Laws is 5 years no parole PLUS what you get for the actual crime. A 3yr sentence automatically becomes 8 years a second offence 15yrs NO PAROLE plus crime committed.

    Through attrition it would take 2/3rds of the violent off the streat in the first 5years, by the 10th year the majority of the violent criminals are behind bars. As the Mandatory sentencing starts being prosecuted as a regular occurance the non-career criminal stop even thinking about using a firearm. It’s not worth the 5yr minimum.

    The Left refuse to allow the enforcement of the Federal Laws because in their view the Law is racist.

    Until they are actually willing to prosecute the Criminals with the Laws that are already on the books the Law Abiding Gun Owners will never allow more gun restrictions than we currently have.

  54. The US has a suicide rate among young persons ( age 15-24 ) of 13.7 per 100,000 while the UK has a rate of 6.7 for the same age group.

  55. There are over 700 million firearms in the civilian population. 300 million Legal, 200 million Illegal.

    Lockup those in possession of 200 million ILLEGALLY OWNED and criminal gun violence disappears.

  56. Criminal gun violence is only part of the problem.

    Always spinning….

  57. Phantom, on December 2nd, 2019 at 6:59 PM Said:
    The US has a suicide rate among young persons ( age 15-24 ) of 13.7 per 100,000 while the UK has a rate of 6.7 for the same age group.

    and you believe that the only difference between the 2 is the fact that our kids have access to guns ?

    As I have said I didn’t think it possible to find a subject that you know less about than guns… Suicide is a mental health issue. Not a firearm issue.

  58. “A suicide is a suicide they would be just as dead no matter how they did it. You and others try to sell that if there were no guns those people wouldn’t kill themselves. That’s bullshit.”

    People would try to commit suicide. They would fail more often however. For example cutting one’s wrists is rarely successful, in that the more often than not don’t die. The same with overdosing on prescription drugs. It is not very successful. Even hanging, while more successful than not, is far less lethal than a gunshot.

    Gunshot to the head suicide attempts are almost always successful.

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

  59. A suicide is a suicide they would be just as dead no matter how they did it. You and others try to sell that if there were no guns those people wouldn’t kill themselves. That’s bullshit.

    They might be just as likely to try to kill themselves, but they’d be less likely to actually die in the attempt.

    Suicide is actually a society-wide issue. Mental health certainly plays a part but so does the general mood of anger and hopelessness, lack of financial security for many, and the availability of ways to die quickly. Guns are not the direct cause of suicides but their easy availability makes the problem a lot worse.

  60. So ?

  61. Look I feel their despair. I just spent 4 days feeding the homeless and addicted. Suicide is never an answer, but the answer to suicide is not to restrict firearms, but to get people help before they want to blow their brains out.

  62. You very often will have no idea of a person’s despair.

    I don’t think that suicide is always wrong, either. But that’s another, deeper, discussion.

  63. I don’t think that suicide is always wrong, either. But that’s another, deeper, discussion.

    as long as they can’t do it with a gun though right…….

  64. hey are you in NY today ?

    Hows the Snow ?

  65. I don’t think that suicide is always wrong

    If you’re speaking about suicide rather than euthinasia then, it is on those left behind, regardless of the reasons

  66. It is but

    If a pedophile predator can’t control himself, and wants to kill himself, then he should be encouraged to go right ahead.

    And yes it does get more complicated when we speak of others.

  67. I am in the city.

    There is snow, which is increasing a bit now. The accumulations will not be too bad.

    It is tough for driving due to black ice which surely will appear, but it’s much easier when you commute by underground train.

  68. it’s all rain here……

  69. So it would be better if there weren’t so many guns that people could use to shoot themselves.

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