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Hear ye Hear ye

By Patrick Van Roy On December 4th, 2019

The Court of Kangaroo is back in Session……. President Donald Trump is Charged with the Following…..

I. The President’s Misconduct: The President Conditioned a White House Meeting and Military Aid to Ukraine on a Public Announcement of Investigations Beneficial to his Reelection Campaign

The President’s Request for a Political Favor | The President Removed Anti-Corruption Champion Ambassador Yovanovitch | The President’s Hand-picked Agents Begin the Scheme | President Trump Froze Vital Military Assistance | The President Conditioned a White House Meeting on Investigations | The President’s Agents Pursued a “Drug Deal” | President Trump Pressed President Zelensky to Do a Political Favor | The President’s Representatives Ratcheted up Pressure on the Ukrainian President | Ukrainians Inquired about the President’s Hold on Security Assistance | The President’s Security Assistance Hold Became Public | The President’s Scheme Unraveled | The President’s Chief of Staff Confirmed Aid was Conditioned on Investigations


II. 
The President’s Obstruction of the House of Representatives’ Impeachment Inquiry: The President Obstructed the Impeachment Inquiry by Instructing Witnesses and Agencies to Ignore Subpoenas for Documents and Testimony

An Unprecedented Effort to Obstruct an Impeachment Inquiry | Constitutional Authority for Congressional Oversight and Impeachment | The President’s Categorical Refusal to Comply | The President’s Refusal to Produce Any and All Subpoenaed Documents | The President’s Refusal to Allow Top Aides to Testify | The President’s Unsuccessful Attempts to Block Other Key Witnesses | The President’s Intimidation of Witnesses

It will now Proceed to the People are idiots part two phase.  Since Bobble Head Schiff has now paraded out the disgruntled members of the State Department that work the Ukraine Desk and failed miserably to convince anyone but themselves and their loyal drones that A President not following the Advice and Opinions of his Diplomatic Staff should be Impeached.  By gum you do as the pencil pushers say or you just have to be removed.

Well all across the Polls where the support of the President hasn’t changed higher or lower, however every polling question of almost every demographic shows the support for Impeachment has shifted…… 10 points in the WRONG direction. Well wrong if you’re of the mind that he should be Impeached that is….. So this week the Kangaroo Court moves to the Judiciary Committee where the Fat Man has scheduled more “Witnesses” you know people with no real facts or information.

These super special non-witnesses are “Scholars”. They are going to explain to us the feeble and unwashed  why not agreeing with the Diplomats is reason to Remove a Duly Elected President.

The charade continues with little relief in sight.

62 Responses to “Hear ye Hear ye”

  1. While polling on impeachment did narrow a few weeks ago that gap has opened again in the last week:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls

  2. I’ve seen a few polls which suggest support for impeachment of Trump has increased.

    Meanwhile, internationally:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-trudeau-nato-summit-press-conference-macron-boris-johnson-latest-a9232496.html
    He really is a petulant oaf

  3. Do you think he is guilty or innocent of the charges? The evidence is overwhelming. This is not a popularity contest except for those who know he is guilty but crave any excuse to deny the obvious guilty as charged. These excusers want the US to be a dictatorship ruled by an ignorant and immoral buffoon. No thanks.

  4. Boo to the Constitution, says the Trumpers.

    The dictator is not subject to criticism.

    He is the perfect man, like Idi Amin was.

  5. Trump has not been charged yet. If he is, the popularity or lack thereof is immaterial to the Constitutional duty to charge and/or try him.

  6. Here’s a half decent synopsis of for and against:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50663128

    As for the GOP talking points, some of which have been raised here previously:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics/republican-impeachment-report-fact-check/index.html?utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-12-04T19%3A14%3A02

  7. Nonsense…… the Dems can’t follow the Constitution, or the Precedents set for a Presidential Impeachment. And they’ve shown that to the American Public.

    I want this to continue. Take the Vote find him Guilty and send it to the Senate. Nothing could be better.

  8. The Republican Senators ( ex Romney, maybe ) will totally disregard the Constitution, as they did with the Garland nomination.

    They’ve ” exonerated ” Trump already.

  9. The Dems can’t follow the Constitution, or the Precedents set for a Presidential Impeachment. And they’ve shown that to the American Public

    These guys might disagree Pat:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50651514

  10. Paul…..

    These super special non-witnesses are “Scholars”. They are going to explain to us the feeble and unwashed why not agreeing with the Diplomats is reason to Remove a Duly Elected President.

    The charade continues with little relief in sight.

  11. the best witness today was Jonathon Turley

  12. Prof Pamela Karlan. Professor of Law at Stanford University

    Prof Noah Feldman. Professor of Law at Harvard University

    Prof Michael Gerhardt. Professor at Law University of North Carolina

    Prof Jonathan Turley. Professor at Law, George Washingtom University

    (Why have you got scholars in inverted commas?)

    Yeah, what would these guys know about Constitutional Law over some guy that used to work in the aviation business and has a degree in computers?

  13. All Fox News watchers think that they are Constitutional experts.

    It’s cute.

  14. only folks who have lost the argument attack experts and scholars –
    when you aint got the law or facts – pound the table

    I wonder mahons did you also learn that playbook in law school
    is it standard practise? p.s have you ever used it? 🙂

  15. “Nonsense…… the Dems can’t follow the Constitution, or the Precedents set for a Presidential Impeachment. And they’ve shown that to the American Public.” They are following the constitution. Show us where they are not. The public as indicated in polls is majority for impeachment and conviction. If Republican senators do not convict, they will be approving of dictatorship.

  16. The fact that one of my college theses was on the Constitution we won’t get into. I have Scholars in quotes because I think it sad and pathetic that they feel that bringing in “Scholars” to explain why there is reason for Impeachment you’ve already lost.

  17. Who has lost what?

  18. The Congress has lost the narrative…….

    If you have to go to academia to explain why the last two weeks of Testimony mean the President should be Impeached then you have lost the narrative.

  19. Hey Phantom in the report that I pull from for this post it has come out that Schiff and his committee had seized the Phone Records and released them in the Report of Giuliani, Nunes, Soloman, one of the Ukrainians.

    No subpoena was issued for these Phone Records.

    Sciffs committee just demanded them, got them, and have released them.

    So tell me how does this not violate the 4th Amendment ?

  20. The fact that one of my college theses was on the Constitution we won’t get into

    Your degree is computer related, is it not?

    They are university law professors, are they not?

    If you have to go to academia to explain why the last two weeks of Testimony mean the President should be Impeached then you have lost the narrative.

    Not al all. It’s to clarify why to Trump supporters who have raised faux objection after faux objection about the process, just to have them batted out of the park.

    I think it very likely your President will be impeached but don’t worry, the numbers of political partisanship will ‘exonerate’ him.

  21. Sorry they lost the narrative….. and yes my degree is in Computer Science, my Minor was Constitutional Law.

  22. I think that there is a big difference between seizing records and demanding them.

    How did they get the records exactly? Who gave them to the congressman?

  23. When they haul Trump off to a secure mental institution he will be repeating ‘I did nothing wrong, I did nothing wrong’. Just like the other crazy criminals who end up there.

    You did something wrong, you extorted an ally for dirt on a political opponent, you told us that yourself. And, you were aiding Russia which is not an ally. Sorry you will not be munching on numerous Big Macs for some time.

  24. Who knew University of Penn had such a weak Con Law Department?

  25. NYr is having wet dreams…….

    eeewww is that a gauntlet being thrown Counselor ?

  26. Mahons
    What do you think of Schiff confiscating Phone Records of a fellow Congressman, a Presidential Advisor, a Journalist, and a Citizen without a Warrant ?

  27. As far as I know the subpoenas were not for Nunesale own phone records be he turned up in phone records of others. Subpoenas can be quashed by a Court if illegal.

  28. GOP supporter acqainting themselves with facts and the law –
    gif
    ..lol .. lol …lol

  29. Congress has no Authority to get records without going to Justice for a Warrant.

    They skipped that pesky bit of Due Process.

  30. if that guy was balder Kurt that’s Schiff in his Office…..

  31. You did something wrong, you extorted an ally for dirt on a political opponent, you told us that yourself. And, you were aiding Russia which is not an ally.

    Exactly, the Russia thing just won’t go away, still not a single anti-Putin tweet in three years. Strange that. Maybe the Moscow honey-trap story is correct, especially if they were under 20.

  32. lmao….. yes yes russian caloooosion……..

  33. Who told you Congress needs to go to the Justice Department for issuing subpoenas? That person lied to you.

  34. No they need to go to Justice to have them served. They didn’t.

    They can issue all the Subpoenas they want, they have that right. The Subpoenas are then sent to Justice to be served.

    They conveniently skipped that little bit of Due Process.

  35. I know these technicalities don’t mean much to others. They should to YOU!

    The minutia is everything. That’s why the saying is “The Letter of Law”.

  36. No. They dont. In order to have them enforced they would have to go to Justice Dept for criminal sanctions. Service isn’t a due process issue, it is a procedural issue. Who is lying to you about this?
    I suppose you’ll now admit that Nunes himself didn’t have his phone records “confiscated”.

  37. Schiff is cool as a cucumber, Nunes, Gaetz are table pounders – what you’re seeing with Dems is dignity, not something Trump is familiar with, because everyday he robs people of theirs with nasty tweets.
    Anyway we have Nadler now. were no longer in Intel hearings, we’re at the judiciary stage, but you know that already having a degree. I just google, seems to work ok

    Pat you’ve never shared your thoughts on Putin
    Dya like the guy as much as Trump
    Maybe USA should be allies with them , is that your position ?

  38. You’re WRONG

    ALL SUBPOENAS from Congress go through Justice which is why during Obama the Republican committees couldn’t get their Subpoenas served.

    Congress has no enforcement arm, every subpoena they issue goes to the Justice Department to be served. Not just Criminal ALL SUBPOENAS.

    It is not a procedural issue it’s a matter of the Rule of Law.

    These are the things that have made this attempt to impeach fall flat on it’s face. The Dems can’t follow Due Process.

    You show me anywhere in any Code that says Congress can enforce their own Subpoenas.

    Please post the Statute…..

  39. Enforcement is not service. You don’t understand the basic terminology.

  40. Congress issued over 100 subpoenas to the Obama administration. Someone is lying to you (besides the President).
    Once again feel free to admit the claim that Nunes had his phone records confiscated. It is as inaccurate a claim as you made about the NYT.

  41. Who gave the phone records to the congressman?

  42. Calls from Nunes were included in the phone records of others who were served with subpoenas. All of the subpoenas were served pursuant to Congressional authority.
    How best to explain. Let’s say you serve AL Caine with a subpoena for his phone records, and it turns out the Mayor of Chicago called him a lot.

  43. AL Capone.

  44. Now that’s cleared up who is al Capone ? GOP ? Friend of Jim Jordan who lobbies for Alcopops 🤡

  45. Were the phone records seized, or were they requested/demanded?

    From who?

    If you don’t know these things, that’s fine, but why then are you commenting and complaining about it?

  46. I think it’s simpler pat knows his side is getting cuffed and tased big time and just like the petty criminals in patty mayos vids and hey presto : they don’t like it
    🙈 but it’s the LAW .
    They’re obstructing justice in what ever way they can think of .
    Ain’t it so master pat . Kinda enjoying it I bet

  47. Trump will be acquitted in the Senate. Not on the merits, but on the numbers.

  48. Sorry they lost the narrative

    What does that even mean? ‘Lost the narrative’ is one of those non-determinable word salad phrases thrown around which is meaningless garble.

    The fact that one of my college theses was on the Constitution we won’t get into […]

    Yes my degree is in Computer Science, my Minor was Constitutional Law

    Precisely, a guy who once wrote a dissertation on his minor of Con Law trying to criticise such experts in the legal field is analogous to a guy who once used a piece of string and a door to remove a shaky tooth lecturing an endodontist about dentistry.

  49. Mahons I’m sure you are very good in your field but you are also totally wrong and totally ignorant.

    Congress can issue all the Subpoenas it wants, it can not serve them. All Congressional Subpoenas are sent to Justice for the FBI to carry out.

    There is no person in Congress that can enforce/serve a Subpoena. A committee can not say I’m going to serve a Subpoena on Verizon for all of Mahons phone Records and send a Staffer to Verizon and get all your records.

    That is exactly what they did…..

    They wrote a Subpoena for the phone records of the Presidents Attorney and had a Staffer Serve it….. and ATT complied. (ATT by the way is now being sued over it)

    You are saying that Congress no longer have to follow the LAW specifically the 4th Amendment. They don’t need to Follow Civil Rights, or the Constitution

    Who’s telling you they can ?

    I know you are one of the best Lawyers in your field, but I would never use you.

  50. Rudy is also the Attorney of the President and there is this little thing called Attorney Client Privilege…… they denied the opportunity to challenge.

  51. Congress can issue subpoenas. If the subpoenas are over broad or unlawful they can be challenged in Court. You’ll note that this wasn’t done, which it would have been if the subpoenas were unlawful. Or are you under the impressions that those who responded to the subpoenas didn’t have lawyers who knew the law?

  52. Congress can issue subpoenas. If the subpoenas are over broad or unlawful they can be challenged in Court. You’ll note that this wasn’t done, which it would have been if the subpoenas were unlawful. Or are you under the impressions that those who responded to the subpoenas didn’t have lawyers who knew the law?

  53. Rudy wasn’t acting solely in the role of an attorney in any of this.

    He was an active participant in the drug deal.

  54. I assume you are listening to some radio personality or reading some weird blog or getting your information out of a bubble gum machine.
    Now are you going to admit Nunes did not have his phone records confiscated and that Republicans in Congress issued subpoenas to the Obama Admin?

  55. Congress can issue subpoenas. If the subpoenas are over broad or unlawful they can be challenged in Court.

    Not if they don’t go to Justice……. there was no opportunity to challenge in Court.

    They wrote the Subpoena and served it themselves……… there was no opportunity to challenge, no opportunity to claim Atty Client Privilege….. yes it would have been challenged if done LEGALLY.

    NONE of it was challenged because it was done secretly and without Due Process…..

  56. This very much sounds like fake legal opinion from ” The Great One “

  57. yeah screw that 4th Amendment

  58. A person doesn’t lose their 4th Amendment rights just because Adam Schiff wants to know what they are talking about.

  59. There is no person in Congress that can enforce/serve a Subpoena

    As stated in another thread, a cursory Google search reveals that that is simply unfactual.

    Now that the attempted discrediting of impeachment on content has failed they are now attempting to discredit on procedure.

  60. A subpoena issued without legal authority need not be complied with. Any of lawyers representing the people/organizations served with the subpoenas knows that.
    You are either not understanding that the people telling you otherwise are lying to you, or you think repeating their fabrications is effective.

  61. Your arguments are obviously marred by your claims that Nunes had his phone records conficated. Who told you that lie?
    You also have not retracted your comment that Republicans in Congress never served subpoenas on Trump. Why do you believe these people when you can easily fact check their false claims?

  62. There was a guy here who wrote many posts about Eric Holder’s refusing Congressional subpoenas, you may want to discuss with him.

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