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WE’RE BANG IN TROUBLE

By Pete Moore On December 5th, 2019

The full scale of the Immigration Emergency becomes clear. By large margins immgrants vote al-Labour. That’s why the Bolsheviks want unfettered immigration and propagandise that to oppose immigration is racist. It’s to overwhelm and eventually dispossess us in our own land.

Unroll –

71 Responses to “WE’RE BANG IN TROUBLE”

  1. u could always move to belfast, shankill road, they’d love your sort up there #ideas

  2. Maybe we should stop students from voting Pete? It could easily be done by raising the voting age back to 21. That would be a big help to the Tories:

    “Just had a chat with a student. Asked her about voting intentions of a class of 20. She said about 15 intend to vote Labour, the rest tactically. Not a single one is voting Tory.”

    “https://twitter.com/Nadjdaniela/status/1202296725970530304?s=20

  3. Cowardly liar Boris Johnson is the only leader who has refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil on BBC. Here is Andrew throwing down the gauntlet and the questions will explain why Liar Johnson is ducking the challenge:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50679252

  4. The greatest gift etc etc.

  5. ” Let’s allow immigration by Labour voters and help the lads out “

  6. Phantom, Britain has had a sizeable Asian population for generations, long before immigration was ‘allowed’.

    It was largely a result of telling the natives of the Indian sub continent how great Britain was.

  7. No, I know that.

    But why is there any continued immigration? Why the need for any of it?

  8. I don’t know, I don’t live there.

    I would also wonder how many of Britain’s Asian population have been born there from families stretching back generations and how many are a result of ‘continued immigration’.

  9. “But why is there any continued immigration? Why the need for any of it?”

    Because it is good for the economy. The UK has an increasingly ageing population and UK residents aren’t producing enough kids. The only way to make up the shortfall is through immigration.

  10. Sure.

  11. What is your alternative?

  12. Small skills-based immigration

    Some guest worker for seasonal agricultural work

    Remove disincentives for idleness in the large idle population in the UK and US, including places like the US rustbelt, Appalachia, Belfast and the north of England.

    I think that very many of the unemployed in those places would like to work, and that they could work.

    For those who are lazy, would give them nothing.

    “Helping the economy “ by importing foreigners to do every last thing is no solution. It may be the Labour Party/Democratic Party solution, but I reject it.

  13. Seamus, on December 6th, 2019 at 5:34 PM Said:

    “But why is there any continued immigration? Why the need for any of it?”

    Because it is good for the economy. The UK has an increasingly ageing population and UK residents aren’t producing enough kids. The only way to make up the shortfall is through immigration.

    Brilliant – just astonishing!! The ‘economy’ needs low-IQ Africans and pakis because native Britons aren’t having enough kids? But surely the ‘green’ stuff requires a reducing population in the high-energy 1st-world. As soon as an African invades the west, his carbon footprint goes up several-times – but the GDP goes up too, because crime needs police officers and prison wardens……

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/12/05/trial-begins-migrants-accused-drugging-raping-murdering-italian-teen/

    Four African migrants face charges of voluntary homicide, aggravated sexual violence, and distribution of illegal narcotics to a minor, one year after teen Desirée Mariottini was found dead in Rome.

    The four men, Yussef Salia, Mamaodu Gara, Brian Minteh, and Chima Alinno, saw their first hearing this week with one of the defendants, Mamaodu Gara, complaining to the court of the absence of an interpreter during a prior hearing in October, Il Giornale reports.

    These young women aren’t going to rape and murder themselves – it needs immigrants

  14. The UK has an increasingly ageing population and UK residents aren’t producing enough kids.

    “They’re too knackered, because both parents are working to pay for what one father’s salary used to cover.”

  15. There are housing shortages in parts of the UK and very high rents/house prices in greater London

    Does immigration have a positive or negative impact on this?

    Does immigration have any impact on the available of council houses to British families?

  16. “Small skills-based immigration”

    Which wouldn’t put a dent in the numbers. The simple fact is that in order to balance the books given an increasing number of non-working retired people that needs to be balanced out with an increased number of productive younger people. They aren’t being replaced by UK-born individuals so the only way to achieve it is via immigration.

    “Remove disincentives for idleness in the large idle population in the UK and US, including places like the US rustbelt, Appalachia, Belfast and the north of England.”

    How? Literally go through the specific steps you would take to do that. Because the major reforms to do just that in the UK have created untold misery and probably literally killed people. You have had people dying of cancer who have been declared fit for work.

    “For those who are lazy, would give them nothing.”

    And their kids? Should a child starve because their parents won’t work?

    “The ‘economy’ needs low-IQ Africans and pakis because native Britons aren’t having enough kids?”

    As opposed to racist pund scum like yourself?

    “These young women aren’t going to rape and murder themselves – it needs immigrants”

    And if white men were raping them (and they are) you’d have no problem with it (and you don’t). Because they are white women, and only white men get to rape white women. They are your property after all.

    ““They’re too knackered, because both parents are working to pay for what one father’s salary used to cover.””

    So a father’s salary in 1960 could afford the same standard of living that a person has in 2019?

    “Does immigration have a positive or negative impact on this?”

    Analysis by the now-defunct National Housing and Planning Advice Unit suggests that a 1% increase in the number of households raises house prices by 2% over 25 years. So the 10% growth in the total population caused by immigration could be said to increase house prices by 20% (out of a total rise of 320%). Largely speaking the difficulty in people being able to buy a house are for reasons other than immigration (higher wages – which some people like to pretend are impossible with immigration – increased prices by 150% in that period of time). The major cause for the rise in house prices is a combination of a lack of adequate supply (not enough houses are being built) and the increase in foreign capital spending (hedge funds etc…) buying property in the UK (especially places like London).

    There is also a study that showed while a 1% increase in households would increase national house prices by 2%, the same 1% increase would lower local house prices by 1.6-1.7%. So the impact is a decrease in local house prices and an increase in house prices in other parts of the UK.

    “Does immigration have any impact on the available of council houses to British families?”

    UK-born and foreign-born people have similar levels of participation in social housing (about 16% for UK-born people, and about 18% for foreign-born people). Given the differences in the sizes of populations removing all social housing from immigrants would hardly put a dent in the social housing waiting lists for UK-born people.

  17. You propose giving free money to those who refuse to work. I don’t agree.

    Every council house turned over to some foreigner is one less council house lived in by a local.

    How many council houses are now occupied by foreigners, Seamus?

  18. “How many council houses are now occupied by foreigners, Seamus?”

    No idea. The report says 18% of foreign-born population are in social housing. So that would be a relatively small number.

    “You propose giving free money to those who refuse to work. I don’t agree.”

    So their kids can starve?

  19. “How many council houses are now occupied by foreigners, Seamus?”

    No idea. The report says 18% of foreign-born population are in social housing. So that would be a relatively small number.

    The fact that you think this is a small number does not make it a small number. Since housing of this type is a finite resource. Every stranger occupied flat means one British family goes homeless. This is good?



    So their kids can starve?

    Let’s refine the query, counselor.

    Let’s say that the lazy bums who refuse any honest work have no children.

    I’d give them nothing at all. And your response would be very different.

  20. Pete Moore,

    “They’re too knackered, because both parents are working to pay for what one father’s salary used to cover.”

    Very true Pete. That’s the fault of your Tory government right there.

  21. “Let’s refine the query, counselor.”

    Let’s not. Answer it plain and simple. If a person has children and refuses to work should their children be expected to starve?

    “I’d give them nothing at all. And your response would be very different.”

    Yes it would. Because some people don’t work for valid reasons. And weeding out those who can’t work and those who can but won’t will cost more money or create unnecessary suffering for those legitimately not working than the current system.

    “The fact that you think this is a small number does not make it a small number. Since housing of this type is a finite resource. Every stranger occupied flat means one British family goes homeless. This is good?”

    No it doesn’t. Point me in the direction of one British family who are homeless because an immigrant is in a house they could be in.

  22. Since housing of this type is a finite resource. Every stranger occupied flat means one British family goes homeless.

    If the foreign occupant of social housing is working, paying taxes etc do those British born ‘lazy bums who refuse any honest work’ deserve to have priority on the social housing list over the working, tax paying foreign born ‘stranger?’

  23. Dave

    That’s the case in very many countries.

    The US included.

    But comparisons can be hugely inexact. In the 1950s, very many US families had no car. Then having one car in a family became a norm most places. Now, many families, need, or think that they need, two or three cars.

    In the 1950s, far fewer kids went to college.

    In the 1950s, hardly anyone say in the UK went on vacation. Now everyone goes to Spain, Florida, New York, Greece once or more a year.

    People work harder but they have way more stuff also.

  24. The simple fact is that a father’s salary (and the sort of work many British men of the time) could afford in 1960 could very likely afford a 1960s standard of living today. That would be a shit standard of living. But you could do it.

  25. The simple fact is that a father’s salary (and the sort of work many British men of the time) could afford in 1960 could very likely afford a 1960s standard of living today. That would be a shit standard of living. But you could do it.

  26. Seamus 845

    It wouldn’t necessarily be a ” shit standard of living ”

    Not having a new car every three years , and not taking vacation every year does not make life horrible in any way.

    I know some very happy people who have done that in the modern era.

    Where the mother ( or father in two cases ) stays home for some years. It happens, still.

  27. By comparison to modern standards it would probably not be great.

    “Where the mother ( or father in two cases ) stays home for some years. It happens, still.”

    Is their spouse a collier?

  28. Paul McMahon,

    If the foreign occupant of social housing is working, paying taxes etc do those British born ‘lazy bums who refuse any honest work’ deserve to have priority on the social housing list over the working, tax paying foreign born ‘stranger

    This may not be the point you’re making Paul, but I hate the argument that the indigenous British population is somehow lazy. This is not the case. The vast majority of Brits are really hard working. In fact, the UK is an incredibly hard-working nation when it comes to working hours and time off.

  29. Seamus

    You seem to have a Trumpy obsession with an industry of the past

    Coal is in terminal decline

    None of them are colliers and none of them are horse and buggy cabbies either

  30. I don’t think that the case Dave, it was Phantom made the point. I do however think that there are those in both Britain & Ireland who think some work is beneath them.

    I was wondering what the criteria should be for social housing. Should a British borm ‘iazy bum’ have priority over a working, tax paying immigrant based solely on where they were born?

  31. “You seem to have a Trumpy obsession with an industry of the past”

    Absolutely not. My point is that I imagine the families who are able to afford to have a single earner are likely not in low wage jobs. It is generally a luxury of the highly paid.

  32. Seamus,

    “Which wouldn’t put a dent in the numbers”

    not just that….but who says what is a “skill” (i.e. something in demand we have a shortage of) and how would anyone expect any individual to know, still less a politician?

    Central government planning quotas for how many hairdressers we need, revised every 5 years (aka “too late”) has all the appeal of Soviet tractor statistics.

    We have a tool to determine already. It is called the economy.

    We don’t need some shmuck who worked their way up the ranks of the party shaking hands on the rubber chicken circuit to work it out.

  33. Why should any lazy bum get a council house?

    Isn’t that an incentive to continue a life of sloth?

    The majority in the US and UK would never want to pick apples or do any other harvesting of crops. It is very hard work.

    Yet a few generations ago, maybe all that work was done by locals.

    You guys have incentivized their laziness.

    I support strong safety nets, but giving one penny to a lazy daytime television watcher is not sound social policy in my books.

    Incentives matter.

  34. “By large margins immgrants vote al-Labour.” Presently the Tory party is anti-immigrant, so that is not a surprise. But, I assume you mean first generation immigrants. I doubt that is true for second, third, fourth generation immigrants some of whom are in the current government.

    Overall, immigration is good for most, if not all, countries economically and in several other ways. Try to think of the UK without curry.

  35. Paul McMahon,

    I was wondering what the criteria should be for social housing. Should a British borm ‘iazy bum’ have priority over a working, tax paying immigrant based solely on where they were born?

    I think you know me well enough to answer that question Paul. Where you come from doesn’t matter, what matters is what sort of person you are. I’d rather have a hard-working immigrant, than a lazy Brit, any day of the week.
    Hving said that, I partially agree with Phantom that the uncontrolled immigration policy in the UK has been a failure.

  36. “I support strong safety nets, but giving one penny to a lazy daytime television watcher is not sound social policy in my books.”

    Design a safety net that achieves both a safety net and an incentive to work.

    “Central government planning quotas for how many hairdressers we need, revised every 5 years (aka “too late”) has all the appeal of Soviet tractor statistics.”

    Indeed. The Australian style system the government are considering imposing post-Brexit for EU labour will take most businesses (most of them small businesses) six months to get a decision. This from the “pro-business” party.

  37. I propose no government net at all for he who will not work.

    A safety net should protect against unavoidable misfortune, and should never incentivize sloth.

  38. I think you know me well enough to answer that question Paul. Where you come from doesn’t matter, what matters is what sort of person you are. I’d rather have a hard-working immigrant, than a lazy Brit, any day of the week

    Yes, for sure. The question wasn’t directed at you Dave, apologies if it came across that way.

    Having said that, I partially agree with Phantom that the uncontrolled immigration policy in the UK has been a failure

    I don’t know anyone who thinks that uncontrolled immigration is a good idea. IIRC the only person on ATW who agreed with uncontrolled immigration was the erstwhile Petr.

  39. “I propose no government net at all for he who will not work.”

    So pensioners for example?

  40. No smart person supports uncontrolled immigration. That’s a John Lennon ” Imagine ” dopey stoner philosophy

    There are very many in Labour/US Democrat Party who support large scale immigration even if it harms their own country. Corybyn and all the Democrat presidential candidates fall into this category.

  41. Phantom,

    “The majority in the US and UK would never want to pick apples or do any other harvesting of crops. It is very hard work.”

    The majority in the UK, by a very very wide margin, are employed. Unemployment is currently very low. This monster of the lazy idle masses is a figment of your imagination.

    And of course increasing employment even further drives down the wages of the “working man”. And we all know you are against that. At least you are if it benefits a foreigner.

  42. Seamus

    So pensioners for example?

    You are a smart guy who is having a giggle trying to pretend that he’s stupid.

    Cut it out.

  43. “So pensioners for example?”

    No, give him his due.

    Pensioners, children who won’t go up chimneys, and the disabled.

  44. Frank

    So, no one is unemployed in Belfast or in the north of England?

    Well, stop the complaining, all.

    Since everything is quite great we are told.

  45. Paul.
    I think as usual were in total agreement mate.

    Frank ODwyer
    Well said mate.

  46. Phantom,

    “So, no one is unemployed in Belfast or in the north of England?”

    Only the lazy ones. Well, according to you.

    For those who are lazy, would give them nothing. Why should employers feel any different?

  47. Phantom

    The majority in the US and UK would never want to pick apples or do any other harvesting of crops. It is very hard work.

    With respect Phantom, when it comes to the UK that’s bullshit.
    The problem we have in the UK is it the work is incredibly poorly paid, most unemployed people are better off claiming the benefits than doing the work.

  48. Frank

    You and the Bobbsey Twins think that it’s fine to pave over the unemployed ( those by choice, and those who want to work ) and replace them with shiny new model foreigners.

    That simply isn’t a policy.


  49. The problem we have in the UK is it the work is incredibly poorly paid, most unemployed people are better off claiming the benefits than doing the work.

    Who said otherwise?

    Adjust the benefits then.

    If you are better off sitting at home watching TV than you are working, then the benefits scheme is immoral and upside down

    That has been my entire point all along

  50. “You are a smart guy who is having a giggle trying to pretend that he’s stupid.”

    You said “I propose no government net at all for he who will not work”. If a 90 year old is not willing to work why should he get government support under your system?

    “There are very many in Labour/US Democrat Party who support large scale immigration even if it harms their own country. Corybyn and all the Democrat presidential candidates fall into this category.”

    There are very many in the Labour/US Democrat Party who support large scale immigration because it doesn’t harm their own country. In fact it helps their own country.

    If immigration harmed a nation I would oppose it, or have no issue with those within that country opposing it. When that situation arises I’ll let you know.

    “So, no one is unemployed in Belfast or in the north of England?”

    Unemployment rate in Northern Ireland is 2.5%, the lowest on record. It is 5.9% in the North East of England, 4.2% in the North West of England, and 3.9% in Yorkshire. Those are the three statistically regions that could be reasonably described as the north of England.

    So unemployment is not a major issue (as things stand) in those areas. They have largely reached statistical full employment.

  51. “If you are better off sitting at home watching TV than you are working, then the benefits scheme is immoral and upside down”

    Except the benefits give you what you need to live on. To suggest to someone that they get less than that is to suggest they do without essentials.

    So what should poor people do without – heating or eating?

  52. You propose to give taxpayer money to those who can work but who chose not to.

    I do not.

    I don’t care what such people do. They can move in with you and Paul. You can have a big party.

  53. Design a 100% full proof system that can tell the difference between those who can work but won’t and those who can’t work.

  54. “I don’t care what such people do.”

    Evidently, as long as they aren’t being disadvantaged by a foreigner. Then you seem to care.

  55. You remain as befuddled as a Trumper at a rally

    Do you or do not not support giving any benefits to those who can work but who don’t want to? Everyone here knows such people, so don’t pretend that you don’t. What do you wish to give them from the taxpayer.

    Those people often don’t count in the unemployment statistics. There are very many of them in the UK and US. So let’s pretend that we were not given the bad faith presentation of unemployment statistics.

  56. Phantom,

    “You and the Bobbsey Twins think that it’s fine to pave over the unemployed ( those by choice, and those who want to work ) and replace them with shiny new model foreigners.
    That simply isn’t a policy.”

    That’s right, it isn’t a policy, it’s just another thing you made up.

    I don’t propose replacing anybody. The number of jobs in the economy is not fixed. The native population has grown but unempoyment has not. Why do you suppose that is?

    No, wait a few minutes, disconnect your keyboard for a moment and connect your brain instead. Why do you think that is? It doesn’t matter how the population grows.

  57. “Do you or do not not support giving any benefits to those who can work but who don’t want to? Everyone here knows such people, so don’t pretend that you don’t. What do you wish to give them from the taxpayer.”

    Enough to survive on. Because in a western liberal democracy, in the 21st century, with unparalleled wealth compared to any other time in human history, no person should go hungry. No person should not have a roof over their head. No person should be cold because they can’t afford to pay their heating bill. And all of that applies to even those people who are in that situation because they are too lazy or feckless to work.

    “Those people often don’t count in the unemployment statistics. There are very many of them in the UK and US. So let’s pretend that we were not given the bad faith presentation of unemployment statistics.”

    It isn’t bad faith. Unemployment is the total number of people who don’t have a job divided by the total number of people who want a job. Always have been. This isn’t new.

  58. The unemployment rate is not a particularly good measure, Frank.

    If someone hasn’t worked in a long time, and is allegedly actively looking for work, and who supposedly is not available for work, they I believe don’t count in the statistics for unemployment in either the UK or US.

    Those are the persons that you guys wish to pave over.

    Use of the unemployment rate without an explanation in such a discussion is very much a deceptive practice.

  59. “Use of the unemployment rate without an explanation in such a discussion is very much a deceptive practice.”

    It isn’t. There are more jobs now than at any time in history. And those people still don’t have a job. So to measure them with unemployment statistics would be pointless. They do not have a normal relationship with the labour market.

  60. “The unemployment rate is not a particularly good measure, Frank.”

    Let’s consult Phantom’s gut instead, or read the Tarot cards.

  61. In NYC there is a vast government bureaucracy, and there are many bad employees.

    Because of union protections, it is nearly impossible to get rid of the bad employees.

    There are also some terrific people who want to work for this government. They take jobs and often do a great job, resting on a bed of idlers.

    That’s the origin of this term paving, which is pretty much what these guys want to do with the workforce in the UK.

    Leave the idlers be, and have shiny new foreigners work above them.

    Not the same issue as taking jobs from Brits who’d like to work, but it’s part of the same bad thinking.

  62. So your brilliant economic solution is to take unqualified, unskilled workers who don’t want a job and employ them, and not employ qualified, skilled foreigners?

  63. There is more everything than in the past. The population is bigger.

    This isn’t 1919 any more, Seamus.

    And one reason why many ” don’t have a job ” is because you want them to take home more money in a welfare check than they could get in some productive jobs.

    Incentives, Seamus. You never think of the power of incentives when it is the first thing you should be thinking of in these discussions.

  64. “Never, ever, think about something else when you should be thinking about the power of incentives.”

    Charlie Munger

  65. “And one reason why many ” don’t have a job ” is because you want them to take home more money in a welfare check than they could get in some productive jobs.”

    How productive do you think these people would be? In all honesty?

    “This isn’t 1919 any more, Seamus.”

    You are right. It isn’t 1919. The starve them to get them to work harder tactic is no longer in vogue.

  66. “You never think of the power of incentives when it is the first thing you should be thinking of in these discussions.”

    What incentives make Charlie Munger and Warren Buffet employ unqualified, unskilled workers instead of qualified, skilled foreigners?

  67. “There is more everything than in the past. The population is bigger.”

    So close and yet so far. Yes the population is bigger. And yes there is more of everything. There has never been a better time to be alive.

    And the population is bigger partly due to foreigners.

    There are more people, and more jobs too.

    And still you don’t get it.

  68. Seamus, on December 6th, 2019 at 9:57 PM Said:

    So your brilliant economic solution is to take unqualified, unskilled workers who don’t want a job and employ them, and not employ qualified, skilled foreigners?

    These “qualified, skilled foreigners” are not from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Africa for, if there were so many qualified, skilled Pakis, Banglas and Afros then their lands of origin would resemble ours and we and they would be, to a great extent, relatively interchangeable – but they’re not.

    This country, as with all those of our European kin, is more than an economy:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/20qgbjwoegY/

    WotW presents a collaboration video celebrating the many different voices and common bonds of our unique family of Western nations.

  69. “This country, as with all those of our European kin, is more than an economy:”

    There is no European kin. You are a foreigner to me. You are far more of a foreigner to me than any Pakistani person, an Bangladeshi person, any African person. Because you are basically not fucking human. You are pond scum.

  70. http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2019/12/doing-gods-work.html

    Things work the other way too in that certain memes which any normal person would agree with get designated anti-Semitic dog-whistles. Pride of place goes to ‘The Fourteen Words’ (“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”). Who could possibly find anything wrong with that?

    Seamus – you would willingly collaborate in the destruction of your own people in their and our own countries. There is a European kin, and there are traitors as there always have been. Hopefully, as you mature, you’ll turn your back on treason

  71. here’s a fun thread preview pic on these two traitors caught selling out USA
    That’s if Pat cam bring himself to include it ..lol