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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On December 11th, 2019

Anything less than zero tolerance against racism tarnishes Labour’s credentials as an anti-racist organisation. The pain and hurt within the Jewish community, and the damage to Labour, are undeniable and shaming. Yet Labour remains indispensable to progressive politics.

“Labour is institutionally anti-semitic, jews are living in fear of a Labour victory, but Corbyn will tax the rich more. So vote Labour.”

The Guardian editorial, today, is a disgrace.

86 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. Trump recently addressed a Jewish audience in NYC. His pitch was:

    “You guys love money a lot and the Dems will tax you more, so vote for me!”

    No anti-semitic tropes there, nosiree.

  2. You like Johnathon Pie don’t you Pete?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU

    I know, outrageous.

  3. well this will be the last thread on
    labour “oh you awful anti-semites you” on ATW –
    phew i can live with this stinking hypocrisy crap one more day
    happy elections every one – just vote !

  4. Okaaay okaaay, I get it. Hating jews turns out to be fine. You’re all cool with that.

    At least we’ll get no more whinging about Allan@Aberdeen, right?

  5. More anti-Semitism from Corbyn:

    https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1202003580942790657

  6. Paul, kurt –

    David Baddiel

    Here’s the thing, progressives: if you want to vote Labour, do so. But don’t tell Jews that you’re doing it *despite* the anti-Semitism thing; that you know that’s very shameful, but in the grand scheme of things etc etc. Because all we hear is: Jews don’t count.

    He’s got you lot figured out.

  7. pack it in petem, the only hater here is allan, i don’t believe corbyn is an anti-semite, though some in the party have no doubt said questionable things.
    I’ll stick to my earlier, we won’t hear a single post on this subject until the next general election. Prove me wrong !

  8. ” questionable things “

  9. James O’Brien
    The question I most wanted to hear Johnson answer is this:
    “Why do you think you’ve lost the support of John Major & Michael Heseltine but secured an endorsement from ‘Tommy Robinson’?”
    Oh well. Maybe next time.

  10. I’m not sure about Corbyn being an anti-semite, but I suspect that he may well be. And It’s interesting how holier-than-thou and virtue-signalling Rigtworlders like “ambivalent” anti-semite Pete Moore have become on this issue, while turning a blind eye to Boris Johnson’s many “gaffes” on racism. You know “letter-boxes” “picannies” and the like.

    But I have no doubt whatsoever that Rightworld hero Trump is both a racist and an anti-semite. And that his followers hereabouts are totally cool with that.

  11. Oy vey!

    Watch how Pete’s new found concern disappears like snow off a ditch on Friday.

  12. Labour is institutionally anti-semitic

    What utter nonsense.

  13. Trump holds prejudicial views towards Jews that an Abedeeen man would be proud of, but I don’t think that he hates them.

    He thinks that everyone is as mercenary as he himself is.

  14. Neither Johnson nor Corbyn are fit to be PM. The UK is going to hell in a Brexit hand-basket. It will be years before, if ever, the UK gets out of the mess it put itself into.

  15. It isn’t a case that one would vote Labour despite antisemitism because antisemitism doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. One of two men are going to be the Prime Minister. One is a racist (or at least far too tolerant of racists), the other is a racist. There are plenty of seats where voting for anyone but Labour is a de facto vote for the Tories. That is the nature of the first past the post system. If the Tories are on 40%, Labour on 38%, and everyone else on 10%, 5% etc… then voting for any one of those is in effect helping the Tories win the seat (thus a de facto vote for the Tories). It isn’t that antisemitism doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. It is that one of two racists is going to be Prime Minister. You can’t stop a racist becoming Prime Minister. So if you have to pick Racist A or Racist B you pick the one that causes the least harm from their racism, and causes the greatest amount of good in everything else. And, frankly, that is Jeremy Corbyn. It is a disgrace that he is the leader of the Labour Party. It is a disgrace that he could be Prime Minister. But it would be less of a disgrace than the fact that Boris Johnson is the leader of the Conservative Party. And less of a disgrace than the fact that Boris Johnson is the Prime Minister.

  16. I don’t know why you even take the bother to explain Seamus. Pete doesn’t care.

  17. Well said Seamus.

  18. Yeah so gonna miss these threads after today.
    Checking for a dry part of my hankie ( sniff )
    Up yours Mr Moore

  19. Pete Moore, on December 11th, 2019 at 9:21 PM Said:
    Okaaay okaaay, I get it. Hating jews turns out to be fine. You’re all cool with that.

    At least we’ll get no more whinging about Allan@Aberdeen, right?

    Pete Moore: “I’m neutral about Jews”

    Also Pete Moore: “Allan is not an anti-semite”.

    While it would be nice to celebrate your newfound philosemitism, Pete, the overwhelming stench of hypocrisy tells me otherwise.

    I must say it is amusing to note the transformation of this site over the last couple of years. While it used to be a bit of an echo-chamber for the libertarian Right, it now seems to consist entirely of Pete Moore posting intellectually dishonest, bigoted claptrap before a roomful of thoughtful, generally liberally-minded people demolish his arguments piece by piece.

  20. Good to see you back Masterson. I wish you’d return on a more permanent basis.

  21. One of two men are going to be the Prime Minister. One is a racist (or at least far too tolerant of racists), the other is a racist.

    Rubbish. Boris Johnson is not a racist and no-one can present any evidence to say so. Not a single piece.

    No, describing burkas as letterboxes in a piece defending the right of women to wear those horribly inhuman blankets is not racist.

    No, sending up racists with with language like “piccaninnies” is not racist, it is sending up racists.

  22. The letterbox comment is not intolerant or close minded in any way.

    Unless you think that criticizing ignorance and oppression is bad in some way.

  23. Pete’s attempted spin is hilarious. Masterson has his number at 5.26.

  24. I actually also don’t think Boris Johnson is a racist. I think he is just a product of his privileged class and educational background. His language reflects that casual class supremacy but I doubt he has a specific racial hatred in his persona.

  25. When I hear the word privilege, I reach for my revolver.

  26. So if you have to pick Racist A or Racist B you pick the one that causes the least harm from their racism, and causes the greatest amount of good in everything else. And, frankly, that is Jeremy Corbyn.

    That’s been fact checked by the 20th-Century and the the whole of economic history. The verdict is: bullshit.

    For all his (many) faults Boris is a a centre-left liberal, well within the bounds of today’s mainstream. Imagine looking at an anti-semite and hardcore Marxist and thinking that he’s the better option. That’s fucking insane.

  27. I want a (well) hung Parliament 😉

  28. It could swing either way Colm.

  29. Balls to that !

  30. You’re being too hard on them.

  31. Well it is a General Erection 😱

  32. After all these months of baloney, nobody has shown anything to suggest that Corbyn is anti-semitic.

  33. Noel

    In the age of broadband superfast speed swipe swipe a thousand tweets and Facebook posts to read before Breakfast, who has time to ‘ prove’ their claims. We live in a sea of fake news and finding the floating nuggets of truth get harder and harder ☹️

  34. Has he taken decisive action to drive out the Jew haters?

  35. Here you are Noel:

    Jaw dropping

    17 year old video comes to light that settles Jeremy Corbyn’s record on antisemitism once and for all. You might want to sit down for this one.

    https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1202003580942790657

  36. //Has he taken decisive action to drive out the Jew haters?//

    That’s a totally different issue.

    Has he supported and defended Jew haters as much as Pete Moore does?

    Is Pete Moore an anti-semite?

  37. Has Corbyn taken decisive action to expel the haters from Labour?

  38. //Has he taken decisive action to drive out the Jew haters?//

    //Has Corbyn taken decisive action to expel the haters from Labour?//

    Phantom, no need to keep demonstrating you’ve no evidence of any anti-semitism on Corbyn’s part. We already knew that.

  39. Many Jewish Britons have a big problem with him, Noel.

    I’ll tell them that they’re all wrong, and that he’s really quite wonderful.

  40. Bad management is the new anti-Semitism?

  41. The fish stinks from the head.

  42. And it is noted that the US Democrats include Al ” Tawana ” Sharpton, and the Squad as members in good standing.

    None of the presidential candidates to my knowledge have condemned them.

  43. Stinking from bad management and stinking from anti-Semitism are completely different things though.

  44. If he’s a horrible manager, why is he being considered for the highest management position in the country?

  45. Parliamentary democracy and his main rival is even worse?

  46. His rival didn’t call Hamas and Hezbollah his friends.

    Hezbollah is really bad, Hamas is a death cult.

    You can’t walk that one back.

  47. //Many Jewish Britons have a big problem with him, Noel.//

    Still no sign of anti-semitism?

    Paul, it used to be the case that the NI election counts didn’t start till the day after the election, after the British results had been declared. Do you know why that was?

    But now, this time, they’re all being counted at the same time. i.e. some NI constituencies will be already known by around 1 a.m. GMT. I don’t know when or why this changed.

    Former speaker John Bercow will be commenting on the results at Sky News tonight. He’s in good form, as usual.

    https://news.sky.com/story/watch-sky-news-live-10315632

  48. More shocking Corbyn anti-Semitism:

    https://skwawkbox.org/2019/07/09/fifty-times-jeremy-corbyn-stood-with-jewish-people/

    Noel, AFAICR both were counted concurrently.

  49. If you’re interested specifically in the wee six Noel:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_ulster

  50. Exit polls forecasting a Con majority of 56.

    No seats for BXP.

  51. Wow, a huge majoriy being predicted for BJ.

  52. SNP also making big gains in Scotland.

    This looks like the perfect result for a break-up of the UK.

  53. Boris Johnson didn’t have a credible opponent.

  54. Sorry, 86 majority.

  55. Noel can a tory majority deny the SNP a 2nd referendum ? for 5 years ?
    I don’t know the law here ?

  56. //Boris Johnson didn’t have a credible opponent.//

    Neither did Jeremy Corbyn. BJ is obviously an opportunist and completely untrustworthy. Even people planning to vote for him said that, and nobody but a fool could put faith in him.

    The people just want clarity after the chaos of the last few years and an end to the Brexit debate. Unlike you, Phantom, they seem to think the problem lay with the British Parliament and they now want to give that parliament a clear majority to get Brexit out of the way.

    That isn’t going to happen, of course. The tough Brexit decisions have yet to be made, and any government party that has to make them is going to suffer a lot in the polls.

  57. If Conservatives hold a majority I would certainly think that they could choose not to allow a second referendum in Scotland

    If the Scots independence side had won before, would they be allowing a re-vote?

  58. The current morass has many authors, not all of them alive today.

    So you now have completely untrustworthy leaders in both the US and UK for the next year or more.

  59. //If Conservatives hold a majority I would certainly think that they could choose not to allow a second referendum in Scotland//

    If the SNP wins such a large majority as exit polls suggest, they can pretty much do what they want and don’t need to wait for BoJo to give them anything.

  60. Regardless of how many MPs the SNP elect , the Tory government can now comfortably ignore any calls for a second referendum. There is nothing the Scottish govt. can do about it apart from perhaps doing a Catalan and holding their own unauthorised vote.

  61. If the SNP wins such a large majority as exit polls suggest, they can pretty much do what they want and don’t need to wait for BoJo to give them anything.


    Huh?

    Can they call a binding referendum?

    Can they leave the UK without the agreement of the British parliament?

  62. Only Westminster can legislate for a Scottish independence referendum . It isn’t in the gift of the Scottish Parliament.

  63. opnion divided above
    I think legally the tories can deny them Noel de jure, but de facto its got to be difficult for tories, Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in EU. We are split as a country, to hold Scots against their will, well its not right is it .. One that will go on and on this I think
    lol we’re already talking about it ..

  64. //Can they leave the UK without the agreement of the British parliament?//

    Apart from doing a 1918 SinnFein on it, they could make life difficult for the UK govt such that it, especially in the context of the very diffilcult few years ahead, has little choice but to accede to the Scottish government’s demands.

    But that’s only a scenario. Have to see what the result in Scotland is when the count is finished.

  65. Even if the SNP win every Scottish seat, how can they make life difficult for a Tory govt with a majority of 80 plus. The SNP can be totally ignored by Westminster now.

  66. gonna be interesting, SNP have a mandate which has to be respected colm in realpolitik
    I think they could renounce the Union for example or try it in the courts

  67. Nicola Sturgeon could end up doing a Trump and start a campaign to BUILD THAT (HADRIANS) WALL 😄

  68. haha colm
    Its a constitutional argument, I’m afraid Parliament has to give it assent by law
    But, they should challenge it in the Courts , test it fully –
    or just voted to end the union in HolyRood ..

  69. Kurt

    The courts can’t force Westminster to enable a referendum. The courts will have nothing to do with this.

  70. How’s that DUP ‘confidence & supply’ deal looking now?

    The huge Johnson majority kinda negates any anti SF abstentionism arguments too.

  71. After tonight I’m sure the Nige has got his talk radio gig.

  72. What possible legal grounds would make lead any British court to rule that Scotland could leave the UK without the UK parliament’s assent?

    This is just silliness now.

    What point would there be in having a Parliament if some judge could split up the country on some whim, some theory

  73. Phantom

    That won’t happen. Scottish independence is dead, at least for the next five years.

  74. FFS

    I’m sure the Nige is glad he’s got his talk radio gig

  75. ok phantom/colm i accede – back to hadrian’s wall then .. 🙂
    and now to Eire – this election is good news for Ireland
    no border on the Ireland or Ireland and BJ can tell the DUP to swivel
    better check Jamie Bryson twitter .. are they loyalists going to war ? with whom ?

  76. fucking great 2 wonder northern town/cities just voted labour MP’s
    Newcastle and Sunderland – Nice
    ( terrible comment coming – spoiler alert )
    Its the pig-shit thick northerns not the wonderful Newcastle/sunderland lads who are like trumps lot – illiterate Dail Mail Readers who voted Tory, for Brexit reasons, and have never voted Tory before . Sod em , the traitors to the working class .. Grrr !

  77. //What possible legal grounds would make lead any British court to rule that Scotland could leave the UK without the UK parliament’s assent?//

    Nobody suggested that.

    It all depends on the SNP majority, which may well not be as strong as exit polls suggest. But if it is that strong, or stronger, it would put political pressure on the UK govt to grant a new referendum in the context of the totally changed circumstances.

  78. Paul , dark days it is then from Jamie Bryson

    Jamie Bryson
    @JamieBrysonCPNI
    IF that exit poll is correct, and Boris Johnson intends to press on with the Betrayal Act, then it’s natural to conclude that there are potentially very dark days ahead.

  79. There will be endless Scots referendums until the independence guys win.

    Then, no more referendums, even if they win by one vote.

  80. //There will be endless Scots referendums until the independence guys win.//

    There will obviously be demands for a Scotland independence referendum as long as the Scottish independence party has the absolute majority of seats in the Stottish parliament. That’s only natural.

  81. Kurt

    The vast majority of people in N.I. will be perfectly happy at any arrangement that leaves them closely aligned with Europe. The Jamie Brysons of this world are insignificant .

  82. Clearly correct

    So if some loyalists squawk, they’re out of step with what the NI people want

    Where are the ATW local resident unionists? They’ve not said much of anything since forever

  83. Turnout apparently up to 80 pc in North Belfast, compared to around 62 pc for the English constituencies declared so far.

  84. Hilarious that the DUP , had they backed Theresa May may well have had the deal they wanted
    They blew it, held off and now its x10 worse .. Total cock-up , so at least we have one good laugh tonite at DUP expense .. hahaha

  85. Jews living in fear…….and now, holocaust survivors in poverty……

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/krispy-kreme-panera-bread-owner-give-5m-holocaust-survivors-over-n1099881

    The family who owns Krispy Kreme Doughnuts and Panera Bread is donating $5.5 million to Holocaust survivors after learning that their ancestors supported the Nazi regime and used Russian civilians and French war prisoners as forced laborers to work in their factory.

    The donation by the Reimann family to the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany was announced Thursday and will help thousands of survivors in need, a press release states.

    “Elderly, poor Holocaust survivors need food, medicine and heat in the winter. These funds will enable thousands of survivors to live in dignity,” Julius Berman, conference president, said in a statement.

    The shoah goes on…..and on…..and on……

    How many thousands of ‘survivors’ are there and where did the $billions paid by post-war Germany end up?

  86. Phantom, on December 12th, 2019 at 11:46 PM Said:

    There will be endless Scots referendums until the independence guys win.

    Then, no more referendums, even if they win by one vote.

    That is pretty much what happened in Wales:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Welsh_devolution_referendum

    The Welsh devolution referendum of 1997 was a pre-legislative referendum held in Wales on 18 September 1997 over whether there was support for the creation of a National Assembly for Wales, and therefore a degree of self-government.

    The referendum resulted in a small majority in favour, which led to the passing of the Government of Wales Act 1998 and the formation of the National Assembly for Wales in 1999.

    Yes – 50.3% No – 49.7%