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SING TO ME, WELSHMAN

By Pete Moore On January 23rd, 2020

A beautiful and deeply historic moment in the Commons today

About an hour ago the Speaker of the House of Lords repeated these very words. Sometimes, just very occasionally, we get what what we want. In my case it’s been a desperate want since the late 1980s.

Tomorrow week, at 11.00pm on 31st January 2020, the UK ceases to be a member state of the European Union.

Huzzah.

60 Responses to “SING TO ME, WELSHMAN”

  1. Good luck going forward.

  2. Interesting times ahead.

  3. We’re doomed 😥

  4. I think that you British should have a beer summit on Departure Day.

    Pete and Colm can give speeches about the occasion.

  5. I think the rest of the EU should have a big party having got rid of their stroppy ungrateful moaning British guest 😉

  6. The shoe never fit right for the English.

    Let’s hope that the new arrangement works out.

  7. “Britons never will be slaves!”

    cheers

  8. The shoe never fit right for the English

    Interesting that you use the English as opposed the British adjective there Phantom.

    After we leave, the UK will be negotiating the future relationship with the EU on behalf of the whole UK family, including Gibraltar

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51173850

    The shoe may never have fit right for right for the English but it’s clear that one size doesn’t fit all either.

  9. Britons never will be slaves!

    cheers

    No opinions on the UK prioritising a trade deal with the EU over one with the US Pat?

  10. Intentional.

  11. england has always been undercurrent pretty bigoted/rascist/small-minded
    but we had them in check
    not anymore .. bad days ahead ..

  12. No opinions on the UK prioritising a trade deal with the EU over one with the US Pat?

    And going ahead with Huawei 5G and the Digital Tax. Macron caved on the French digital tax this week but Javid confirmed the UK version will go ahead in April, despite Trump’s threats of reprisals.

    It’s been a bad week for those UK Rightards who saw Brexit as a path to the UK becoming the 51st state.

  13. No opinions on the UK prioritising a trade deal with the EU over one with the US Pat?

    The only deal that the Brits are negotiating that has any concern to me is with Huawei.

    If they go through with allowing Huawei in, the US will need to disconnect from the Brits on a catastrophic level.

  14. The Huawei deal will be confimed next week but the decision was probably made months ago:

    “The security services, I understand, have concluded that GCHQ and the National Cyber Security Centre have the relevant expertise and the capacity to make sure that Chinese agents provocateurs do not in any way undermine the security of the UK, if it were to turn out that use of the Chinese kit somehow gives them a backdoor either to eavesdrop or somehow to control a vital part of UK communications infrastructure…

    Equally there are powerful business and economic arguments being put to ministers by BT and Vodafone, who already use Huawei kit in the existing 4G network and (in the case of BT) in the existing fixed broadband network. They use Huawei and want to buy more because – they say – it is better quality and more advanced than the alternatives made by Europe’s Nokia and Ericsson. Their principle argument is that if they are instructed by the government to eschew Huawei, because of the risks, then the roll-out of 5G would be set back by two years, that of full-fibre broadband by around four years, and the write-offs for UK telecoms companies would run to billions…

    If a combination of our security services and our telecoms companies are saying that the Huawei risks can be contained and the costs of banning Huawei would be huge, which they are, then the prime minister risks looking (to use his phrase) like a vassal of Trump and the US if he were to ban Huawei.”

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/01/why-huawei-may-be-allowed-in-the-uk-5g-network/

  15. It causes the US severe security concerns.

  16. I think the rest of the EU should have a big party having got rid of their stroppy ungrateful moaning British guest says Colm

    “Guests” aren’t expected to fund the party

  17. djaym

    Fair point. I should have said family member not guest.

  18. “It causes the US severe security concerns.”

    It doesn’t. Hence when they shared the “dossier” with the UK it contained nothing to suggest that limiting Huawei to the peripheral parts of the 5G network wouldn’t work. All it contained was links between Huawei and the Chinese government.

    In reality the security concerns are bogus. It is trade concerns, not security. And so if Trump wants a trade advantage over China by getting rid of Huawei then let America pay the £7 billion it would cost to do it.

  19. UK-US relations just got worse:

    “The US has turned down an extradition request for one of its citizens to be charged over the death of motorcyclist Harry Dunn. Mr Dunn, 19, died after a crash in Northamptonshire in August which led to the suspect, Anne Sacoolas, leaving for the US under diplomatic immunity.

    The Home Office started extradition proceedings on charges of causing the death by dangerous driving. A spokeswoman said the decision by the US “appears to be a denial of justice”. The US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo turned down the extradition request in an email to the UK Government, family spokesman Radd Seiger said.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-51228262

  20. And even worse, as Prince Charles appears to snub Mike Pence in Jerusalem:

    https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1220358197883609089?s=20

    But then this:

    https://twitter.com/londonjessicas/status/1220419658702053376?s=20

  21. The Prince Charles thing was just rude, very classless. The true face of “A Royal”……

    The security issue is a threat Seamus the evidence of chinese intelligence control of all of their networks is without question.

    The USs real power in the modern age is our surveillance capability. There are no secrets, we know the chinese are a threat because they’re where we were ten years ago. They are using our equipment and software designs.

    They are enacting intrusive surveillance on their own people and using the monitoring to control their peoples behavior…. but your willing to transmit your secrets through their communication network and you expect them to “Respect” your privacy.

    I know some real good investment properties for you Seamus… Phantom can attest to the beauty of the one Bridge I have for sale.

  22. Alas Pete I do not share your sense of joy, although I wish I could. No, I have not suddenly had a change of heart and decided that I want us to Remain in the Stupid Club, but the so called Withdrawal Agreement is not an agreement but, a new treaty. Further. The UK does not actually Leave the EU. Instead we move to what is called a ‘Transition Phase’. A kind of half in, half out. I did not vote for that, I voted to Leave.

    We will now negotiate a so called trade deal with the EU. This too is a lie. What is being negotiated is not trade but regulatory alignment and legal oversight. Or, to put it another way, an Association Agreement. Again, that is not what I voted for.

    So cheer if you wish, I shall not be partaking as I know what awaits.

  23. I hope you are right Mark.

  24. All Hail the Brussels Empire.

    I thought the left opposed Empires?

  25. There is no Brussels empire.

  26. When the transition period comes to an end I wonder will we have a hard Boris border?

  27. Colm, on January 24th, 2020 at 10:24 AM Said:

    There is no Brussels empire.

    Colm.

    You might want to take that up with Guy Verhofstadt.

    Is a European-wide empire compatible with liberty? A prominent EU leader recommended transforming the European Union into an “empire” at a UK political party conference this weekend, to sustained applause.

    https://acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2019/09/16/only-eu-empire-can-secure-liberty-eu-leader

  28. It’s a bad day for the EU and a bad day for Britain; but it would be an even worse day if the whole sorry saga were prolonged any further.

    This end is probably now more universally welcome in Europe than it is in the UK.

    But congratulations to Brexiters who longed and campaigned for this change for so long, especially people like Harri who got out and actually did something for it.
    (while all the time predicting that it would never happen, as the evil “EU Empire” would never let the UK go.)

    You are going to be disappointed; but enjoy your day at least.

  29. Indeed Noel
    Not even convinced the exit will stop the moaning . Reckon they’ll find another EU related issue to whinge about .
    Bottom line is reckon they just like complaining . It is after all very British .

  30. This end is probably now more universally welcome in Europe than it is in the UK

    Yep, now that the NI Protocol essentially keeps the state of NI in the EU Customs Union good riddance and good luck to Britain in their transition period.

  31. Not even convinced the exit will stop the moaning . Reckon they’ll find another EU related issue to whinge about

    I suspect you may be correct there Kurt. What else would the Lie Mail & sExpress use to fill their pages and justify their readership’s bias?

  32. Yep one thing we can be certain of is any trade deal coming will not have British jobs workers rights protections. That’s a labour policy and will be way down the list of Tory priorities. Expect what is good for millionaires to be number one . Of course it won’t be presented as such . It never is .
    Poor old Birdies who voted Tory watch out you’re about to be shafted .

  33. while all the time predicting that it would never happen, as the evil “EU Empire” would never let the UK go.)

    We are not out yet.

    And being tied to Mother Brussels bureaucracy is not leaving.

  34. Bottom line is reckon they just like complaining . It is after all very British

    What? Opposed to constantly whinging and whining about Trump?

  35. So you agree with me Harri as your 10:54am proves.

  36. Colm.

    Nope.

  37. There will turmoil and chaos for awhile but England will be fine.

    Ok we Finally have a real honest Brexit……

    It is January 2020, Time to lay down your bets…..

    The EU will dissolve/collapse/breakup in ___ years…. (place your number)

    The EU will dissolve/collapse/breakup in _7_ years….

  38. // Harri, on January 24th, 2020 at 12:20 PM Said:

    We are not out yet.
    And being tied to Mother Brussels bureaucracy is not leaving//

    So, Harri, you believe the UK is really staying in the EU after this deal comes into effect next week?

    Interesting.

  39. Patrick.

    It might be when they fire up the money printing presses again.

  40. I don’t think the EU will dissolve, collapse or break-up. At least not in the foreseeable future. I think it will probably change radically though.

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens in the UK after we officially leave.
    I’ve got my doubts that fishing rights in UK waters and immigration are going to change that much.

  41. Now.

    //And being tied to Mother Brussels bureaucracy is not leaving//

  42. Noel

  43. Dave

    Radically is a big word.

    What radical changes do you think are possible in the EU?

  44. Considering the accuracy of your previous political predictions Pat I think that you’ve just guarunteed the UK terminal amrageddon and the EU perpetual existence.

  45. Again

    I never felt that the English were emotionally committed to the EEC, even less emotionally committed when the EEC evolved into the EU and the massive infrastructure of it

    But I don’t get that emotional and intellectual distance from Irish, French, or Germans when I talk to them. They like the EU, a fact that American and British EU bashers seem not to be aware of.

    If there was an ” Irexit ” poll in Ireland, I think that remain would get more than 85% of the vote.

  46. What radical changes do you think are possible in the EU?

    They could start with releasing there expenses for the last, let’s say, 10 years, instead of fighting tooth & nail to keep them hidden from the plebs.

    Nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

  47. Phantom,

    What radical changes do you think are possible in the EU?

    In all honesty Phantom, I don’t know, but it can’t continue the way it is.
    It’s a bureaucratic nightmare at the moment. And it’s accounts are in it shocking state.
    I think there will be major changes because once the UK leaves, I think other member countries are going to start demanding changes.

  48. Ah

    And the UK was a net payer, so those finances won’t get better any time soon without a change.

  49. O/T

    Those crazy Germans…

    Germany shooting: Six dead after gunman opens fire in town centre
    A shooter has been captured after a gun attack in Rot am See in the district of Schwäbisch Hall in Baden-Württemberg, Germany claimed the lives of six people

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germany-shooting-six-dead-after-21351653

  50. I think there will be major changes because once the UK leaves, I think other member countries are going to start demanding changes.

    What those other countries will have to do, is cough up more, and more…and more.

  51. Harri

    I said there is no Brussels empire. You posted a link to a story about an EU official expressing the view that it could become an Empire some day which means it isn’t an empire now. You agree with me 😉

  52. Colm.

    The EU was just a Common Market once upon a time.

    It’s an empire in all but name.

  53. The EU is not just any old empire.

    It’s a German empire.

  54. It isn’t an Empire and unless it invades and forcibly conquers other countries it won’t be an Empire. Granted it can become a Superstate but it won’t be an empire.

  55. Empires are only created and expanded by force?

    I don’t know about that.

  56. Colm

    The EU, France and Germany will conquer the other countries financially, they will not need to fire a shot.

    Two years have passed since the government triggered the Article 50 process. By now, Britain should be out of the EU. But beyond the prime minister’s capitulation to Brussels in the exit negotiations, and parliament’s disdain for the referendum result, are their deeper, structural reasons why leaving the EU has proven so difficult? For economic sociologist Professor Wolfgang Streeck, the EU is a ‘liberal empire’. Streeck is emeritus director of the Max Planck Institute for the Study of Societies in Germany

    Worth a read Colm..

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/03/29/the-eu-is-an-empire/

  57. I suppose it depends on what is meant by empire. It can simply mean a very large entity, but in geopolitical terms I would suggest it traditionally refers to a singular great power using its strength to take and rule other lands without politely asking the people in those territories if they consent !

  58. The EU did use force…. both economic and legislative…. be grateful they have no Army.

  59. ?

  60. Patrick Van Roy, on January 24th, 2020 at 3:00 PM Said:
    The EU did use force…. both economic and legislative…. be grateful they have no Army.

    Yet?