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Why the Christian’s don’t care what he tweets

By Patrick Van Roy On January 25th, 2020

101 Responses to “Why the Christian’s don’t care what he tweets”

  1. The white ( not black, not Latin ) “ evangelicals “ – who are not all Christians by any means —have Made a deal with the devil

    Yes We know

  2. Anyone who is pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-welfare etc… is not pro-life. Anyone who is pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-welfare etc… is not a Christian.

  3. It depends on welfare is. Only a fool supports giving anything to those who are lazy, who refuse to work

    But I generally agree with this

    If you support widespread use of the death penalty by the government, you support executing innocent people, since Government process. which involve imperfect cops ego driven prosecutors and often stupid jurors does not always get it right

  4. “It depends on welfare is. Only a fool supports giving anything to those who are lazy, who refuse to work”

    If kids are going hungry, unclothed, cold etc… even because their parents are lazy and refuse to work, then failure to help those kids is anti-life, and anti-Christian.

    “If you support widespread use of the death penalty by the government, you support executing innocent people, since Government process. which involve imperfect cops ego driven prosecutors and often stupid jurors does not always get it right”

    Personally even if a person is 100% guilty the death penalty is wrong, and anti-life. The sanctity of human life has no sell-by date. It is either universal or it doesn’t exist. No one can forfeit it. Pro-death penalty, even for the most heinous of offenders, is not consistent with being pro-life (or Christian).

    Democrats need to learn that the sanctity of human life starts before birth. Republicans need to learn that the sanctity of human life continues after birth.

  5. You seem to be a big supporter of lazy adults who have their hands out

    By giving them money produced by working people you create more lazy people

    You seem to be entirely unaware of the power of incentives. You never speak of breaking the chain of dependency culture.

    No one here is talking of letting children go hungry.

    Should adults who decline to work have taxpayer funded large screen TVs, lager beer, cigarettes, etc? None needed for life. The taxpayer pays for those things now.

    I say no, you will say yes.

  6. Democrats need to learn that the sanctity of human life starts before birth. Republicans need to learn that the sanctity of human life continues after birth.

    works for me

    lets care for the un-born and the born !

  7. The Democrats are abortion fans

    They love it and they will never stop supporting it

  8. The Democrats are abortion fans

    Dems are passionately pro-choice

  9. “You seem to be entirely unaware of the power of incentives. You never speak of breaking the chain of dependency culture.”

    Incentives work but overwhelmingly the evidence is that incentivising work through welfare cuts doesn’t work. It doesn’t increase the number of people looking for work but does increase untold levels of misery. Expansions of opportunity (more jobs, better jobs etc…) are what encourage people to go to work.

    ”Should adults who decline to work have taxpayer funded large screen TVs, lager beer, cigarettes, etc? None needed for life. The taxpayer pays for those things now.”

    If you can determine a system that does those things, pays for the essentials (including rent, heating, food etc…) but doesn’t pay for things like TVs, beer, cigarettes then I’m all ears.

  10. “Dems are passionately pro-choice”

    Same thing.

  11. If you can determine a system that does those things, pays for the essentials (including rent, heating, food etc…) but doesn’t pay for things like TVs, beer, cigarettes then I’m all ears.

    Vouchers.

  12. If Trump had made any of that speech of the cuff i would have clapped
    he read the whole thing, he’s got some votes, the guy destroys people for a living
    all the people he’s raped all the good servicemen with purple stars like McCain and Vindman
    he destroys anything that gets in the way of him being a total corrupt asshole
    read between the lines. Does someone who fucks whores while his wife gives birth give a shit about babies ?

  13. “Vouchers.”

    Which is what was tried in America. The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, aimed at buying food for poor people, through a voucher system. And overwhelmingly doesn’t prevent them being used for other purchases.

  14. For the lazy adults, Give them no money at all

    Distribute a parcel of food once a week

    No money that can be spent on booze or cigs or meth.

    There was government in the days of Jesus. There were poor people then. He spoke of them.

    He never spoke of the necessity of government welfare

    You guys are Putting words in Jesus mouth when you say that government welfare plans are needed in order to be Christian . Stop abusing the teachings of Jesus. Have a little respect for the guy

  15. Seamus, on January 25th, 2020 at 3:21 PM Said:

    “Vouchers.”

    Which is what was tried in America. The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, aimed at buying food for poor people, through a voucher system. And overwhelmingly doesn’t prevent them being used for other purchases.

    A prepayment card, for food & essentials.

  16. Cards like that work well for self funded medical care here

  17. Almost all of the “government” interventions that Christians want were not required of the government by Christ. Name one thing he mandated the government to do? Protection of life? Don’t recall him requiring it from the government. Religious liberty? Don’t recall him requiring it from the government. Anything?

  18. He opposed murder

    He encouraged rich people giving to the poor

    He never spoke about against the death penalty

    He never spoke of government giving to the poor

    So take the death penalty and government welfare programs off the list of things that Christians must support

    You’re not Christ. Make your own personal case for supporting these things,

  19. “A prepayment card, for food & essentials.”

    Something that should be looked into. The administrative costs would likely be higher than the current administration. For example the voucher programme in the US costs over 5% on administration, while in the UK welfare costs about 3.5% on administration. So a shift in it (while maybe saving some money on fraud) would likely cost several billion extra to administer. Not a reason not to do it but something to consider.

  20. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

    Same thing

    I don’t think it is. I know many pro choice people, including myself and woman who have had abortions, who are by no means ‘abortion fans’

  21. Cards like that also work well for self funded pre tax transit payment here

    Here, “ food stamps “ cards can be used to pay for Coca Cola , potato chips. And fancy steaks, that many workers can’t afford. I see them used every month in the supermarket for that purpose.

  22. He opposed murder

    He encouraged rich people giving to the poor

    He never spoke about against the death penalty

    He never spoke of government giving to the poor

    So take the death penalty and government welfare programs off the list of things that Christians must support

    You’re not Christ. Make your own personal case for supporting these things,

    Firstly he did speak out against the death penalty. John 8 for example. Only those without sin (as such only God Himself) can take life. No one else. He also opposed murder, death etc… but never mandated the government to enforce that. He didn’t say it is the job of the government to ban killing people.

    If Christians can only insist on government action if Christ insisted on government action then Christians don’t support anything vis a vis government. Christians shouldn’t campaign against legal abortion (by your metric).

  23. Here, “ food stamps “ cards can be used to pay for Coca Cola , potato chips. And fancy steaks, that many workers can’t afford. I see them used every month in the supermarket for that purpose.

    But can not be used in pubs, bingo halls, and bookies.

  24. “I don’t think it is. I know many pro choice people, including myself and woman who have had abortions, who are by no means ‘abortion fans’”

    And I know many who are abortion fans. Who ‘celebrate’ their abortions publicly.

  25. Democratic Party leaders are abortion fans

    And it’s not even an issue in say the UK now? All your parties would think that abortion is the cats meow now

  26. This unfunny comedian nails where Democrats stand on abortion

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w955V6ULd4

  27. And I know many who are abortion fans. Who ‘celebrate’ their abortions publicly

    AFAIK I can honestly say that I have never met anyone who is an ‘abortion fan’

  28. //If kids are going hungry, unclothed, cold etc… even because their parents are lazy and refuse to work, then failure to help those kids is anti-life, and anti-Christian.//

    There are millions of kids in the world going hungry, unclothed etc. A Christian will therefore give everything he has to feed and clothe them, keeping only enough to feed and clothe himself. A Christian therefore must always be completely broke.

    And that is what Christ taught. You do not count the cost, just give; do not take thought of tomorrow’s teen, just give; do not suffer anyone to be less well off than you are, give what you have, give even more than is necessary.

    For this is the word of the Lord.

  29. BTW, anyone who seriously believes Trump cares about abortion, whether “Christians” or others, is irredeemably stupid.

  30. And here is where Trump is not just non Christian but anti Christian

    He has given nearly nothing to charity, he has a documented record of stealing from charities, despite his wealth

    This is the white evangelical hero

  31. Agree with Noel’s 4:32. Unlike Mike Pence who is genuinely evangelical and hardline Christian Trump is just opportunistic in support of this rally. He is counting on getting their votes and almost certainly doesn’t give a fig for the anti abortion cause. In fact given his well document sexual escapades I would imagine he probably has had cause in the past to welcome abortion rights 🙂

  32. Trump must be one of the most anti-Christian presidents the US ever had. He is driven by spite, hatred and ego. He very often tries to hurt people, including the vulnerable and defenceless. His sexual morals are lower than a Las Vegas pimp’s.
    There is also very little love for anything in the man (apart from love for himself).
    He is mean, aggressive and has in his life broken practically every commandment that Christians believe in.

    But this is the man American “Christians” vote for, while they withheld their support for people with infinitely more Christianity such as Obama. Even Jimmy Carter got less than half of the Evangelical Christian vote when elected, and four years later most of that “Christian” support went to a war-monger and supporter of torturers, sadists and genocidal maniacs.

  33. If the devil could place a demon in the White House it would be Trump.

  34. He is driven by spite, hatred and ego

    Perfect summary.

  35. I wouldn’t say Trump is a demon. He isn’t an evil dictator. Politically he is average, it’s his personality, vanity and amoral personal, social and business behaviour that is his most distinctly unchristian characteristics.

  36. Amoral unChristian and as shallow and anti intellectual as it gets

    The only things that he believes in is stopping illegal immigration and certain things on trade

    Anyone Who thinks that he is concerned about things like abortion or corruption is a bit of an idiot

    Again, he has lived in violent opposition to everything that Jesus ever said, and he has a very long list of corrupt acts to his name

  37. Seamus,

    And I know many who are abortion fans. Who ‘celebrate’ their abortions publicly.

    In my entire life I’ve never met anybody who did that.

  38. Colm

    Why would you say that he is politically about average

    The average politician tries to build coalitions, to attract support from the other side, To do deals with the political opposition

    Trump says that he wants to do these things But his actions are the opposite.

    Guys like Reagan Clinton and both Bushes, Whatever their flaws may have been, tried to unite the country. Trump has never tried to do that.

    As far as I know, he is the first president in American history who has only sought to divide and embitter

  39. Trump is no Christian, unless serial whoring, lying and theivery are considered Christian traits.

    The extreme conservative ‘Christians’ in the US are of course willing to turn a blind eye to such minor inconveniances.

  40. It’s not as though he Has lived a life of sin, and who has reformed

    It’s a fundamental tenets of Christianity to welcome those who confess sin and repent

    Trump has never confessed to any of his sins, And he is living a life in violent opposition to Jesus’s principles right now

    Watch one of his hate rallies

  41. Phantom

    Perhaps I should clarify. By using the term average I was referring to his political beliefs not behaviour. He isn’t an ideologue of either the left or right. He is vague and has no lifelong well honed beliefs essentially little different from the average joe. That is the only sense in which he is average.

  42. Governor Cuomo in New York celebrated the passage of his new abortion law by having 1 World Trade Center lit up in bright lights. The Democratic leadership is tone deaf on this issue. I can’t think of an issue in which Republicans are as lockstep.

  43. I haven’t read the thread I will but this caught my attention

    Seamus, on January 25th, 2020 at 2:51 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Anyone who is pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-welfare etc… is not pro-life. Anyone who is pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-welfare etc… is not a Christian.

    so I guess I don’t exist ?

  44. That statement by Seamus is elitist and unfair.

    Where is it written that in order to be a Christian that one complete a checklist of moral perfection, one created by the accuser.

    St. Seamus is 100% perfect all the time of course.

    Extremely large numbers of Christians at this or any other time could not pass his holiness test.

  45. The god-botherers will continue to vote for the pussy-grabber, because they fervently believe that he will get abortion banned in his second term, end of. They well know that he is a shameless liar and fornicator, but they will support him for that reason alone. Last time it was 80% and it will probably be the same this time, irrespective of who the Dem candidate is.

  46. All the Democratic candidates support open borders and free stuff for illegals

    Don’t blame Trump for that

    The voters are faced with a disgusting choice.

  47. If you don’t mind his personality on every measurable level he’s doing a good job.

  48. If you don’t mind his personality

    Liar, liar pants on fire. Racist. Misogynist. Pussy-grabber. Climate-liar. Environmental vandal. Totally bought by the fossil fuel lobbies. Gun supporter, against background checks because totally bought by the NRA. Huge tax cut for billionaires. Grooming the GOP to endorse his son as next POTUS. Corrupt corrupt corrupt.

    So what’s not to like?

  49. ”so I guess I don’t exist ?”

    ”That statement by Seamus is elitist and unfair.

    Where is it written that in order to be a Christian that one complete a checklist of moral perfection, one created by the accuser.”

    I will address both statements in the same response. The comment I made was intentionally provocative. The Christian right attempt to have a monopoly on Christian morality (and make comments such as I have made – about their issues – all the time). They regularly say if a person doesn’t support them on abortion or gay marriage then they are not a Christian.

    And Patrick you have engaged in similar behaviour at times here. You have attacked, for example, Nancy Pelosi, for being a Catholic and being in favour of abortion (despite being both of those things yourself).

    So if it is good for the goose…

    If they get to claim Christianity for their views then I get to do it for mine. And so was deliberately provocative in the way I did so.

    As most people on here would know, because of previous conversations, I am religious but also not a bible thumper. My personal view on Christianity is summed up in Christ’s two commandments. Love God with everything you have. Love your neighbour as yourself. And everything else is window dressing.

    ” In my entire life I’ve never met anybody who did that.”

    Dave (and Paul),

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShoutYourAbortion

    It does happen.

  50. It does happen

    Twitter is a cesspool so I’ve no doubt it does happen but not with the pro choice people I know.

  51. “Twitter is a cesspool so I’ve no doubt it does happen but not with the pro choice people I know.”

    True. Though amongst pro-choice groups and activists there has been a significant shift (especially in places like America) from ‘safe, legal and rare’ to ‘free, and on demand’.

  52. I’m not sure how you quantify the numbers to such a ‘free and on demand’ claim and I’m also not sure if you can include those wanting to destigmatise abortion in that group.

    I think the issue is a bit more complex than an either/or equation.

    https://www.vox.com/2019/10/18/20917406/abortion-safe-legal-and-rare-tulsi-gabbard

  53. OJ lawyer and Jeffrey Epstein pal Dershowitz on SNL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5neBXQwf8

  54. I will address both statements in the same response. The comment I made was intentionally provocative. The Christian right attempt to have a monopoly on Christian morality (and make comments such as I have made – about their issues – all the time). They regularly say if a person doesn’t support them on abortion or gay marriage then they are not a Christian.

    Except Seamus NO ONE here who calls themself Christian has ever taken such a position….

    Other than myself I really don’t think anyone ever even dares to bring god/religion into the conversation ever…. except when one of you are attacking my Christianity with the EXACT same accusations you make.

    And I am a pro-life/pro-choice Christian other than myself who on this site holds these values ?

    pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-welfare etc… and I’m pro-life.

    pro-gun, pro-death penalty, pro-war, anti-welfare etc… and I’m a Christian.

    I’d say your statement is a direct attack on ME….. 😉

  55. Patrick

    You seem to be pro EVERYTHING 🙂

  56. “Except Seamus NO ONE here who calls themself Christian has ever taken such a position….”

    So you have never attacked Nancy Pelosi for being a Catholic and being in favour of abortion?

    “And I am a pro-life/pro-choice Christian other than myself who on this site holds these values ?”

    I think you are the only pro-life/pro-choice person in existence. Because they are mutually exclusive positions.

    “I’d say your statement is a direct attack on ME….. 😉”

    It wasn’t. It was a direct attack on the pro-Trump Christian right.

  57. I think you are the only pro-life/pro-choice person in existence. Because they are mutually exclusive positions.

    Then you don’t know much……. I believe life begins at conception that is Human being from the instant the sperm and egg become a new sequence of DNA. No matter at what point the pregnancy is terminated it is the death of an individual human being.

    And I am a firm believer that a Woman has the sole right to choose whether or not she carries that human being to term.

    And you believe I’m the ONLY person that believes that ?

  58. I would say plenty of people have that position. I would reject that said position is a pro-life position.

  59. It’s a pro abortion position

  60. Life and choice here are evasions, euphemisms

    You’re either in favor of abortion being legal, or you are against it being legal

    End of

  61. no I would and have counseled against abortion. There is no reason to get pregnant if you’re not going to have the baby. If you get Pregnant unless your life is in danger, rape or incest you should carry that life till it naturally departs your womb. If a woman aborts a child it scars them for life. No matter what they show on the outside it haunts them their whole lives because they know they chose to kill their baby. It’s horrible.

    But I have no right to tell a woman that she can’t make that choice. It is between her and God. No one else.

    That is not a pro-abortion belief system.

  62. I think it is quite easy to be in favour of abortion being legal while strongly believing it should not be the chosen option as oppose to advocating enforcing continued pregnancies by law on women who don’t want to continue them.

  63. Patrick,

    So you believe that unborn children are human beings but that they shouldn’t have the same rights and protections the rest of us have?

    Again that is a position several people have. But it isn’t a pro-life position.

  64. It is a pro abortion being legal belief

  65. Seamus, on January 26th, 2020 at 3:52 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick,

    So you believe that unborn children are human beings but that they shouldn’t have the same rights and protections the rest of us have?

    Again that is a position several people have. But it isn’t a pro-life position.

    Yes that is what I believe, and it is pro-life. The woman is murdering her child and it is an action I can not support it is the murder of an innocent, but I also don’t believe I have the right to impose MY VIEW and my morality onto a Pregnant Woman.

    While that baby is inside her SHE and only SHE and God have the right to make decisions about that life.

  66. You’re either in favor of abortion being legal, or you are against it being legal

    End of

    No, it’s not ‘end of’It’s much more nuanced than that.

    Colm pretty much nails it above. Being pro choice doesn’t mean that you agree with abortion on demand.

  67. It isn’t pro-life. Pro-life is about putting protections for life in place. Not wringing your hands when someone dies. What you are is pro-choice, not pro-life.

  68. Patrick is in favor of abortion being legal

    Call it what you like, the “ pro ilfe “ people do not share his views, the “ pro choice “ side agree with him on all that matters

  69. The problem I have (yes I know there are many) is that when you call someone “Pro-Choice” you label them as someone who doesn’t believe that the unborn is a Life, a Child.

    I do.

  70. Doesn’t mean you can claim a different label that doesn’t apply to you. Pro-life means giving legal protections to all living people, born or unborn. You support denying those people those protections.

  71. no it doesn’t. That is YOUR interpretation of what it means not the only interpretation.

  72. Name one pro-life group or organisation that supports legal abortion?

  73. Pro choice means that you support —the choice— of abortion, Without the government being involved in that choice

    It has nothing to do with your beliefs About whether it’s a good idea or not

  74. sorry I just disagree with being labeled pro-choice because of the connotations that go with it.

    Those connotations don’t match my beliefs and I won’t be labeled with them…. my choice.

  75. Do you think that abortion should be legal, or do you think that it should be illegal?

    That is the question

  76. Who cares what anybody‘s beliefs are

    Do they say that it should be legal or that it should it be illegal

    It’s a complicated moral issue but legal or illegal is what it comes down to

    No dodging

  77. Pro choice means that you support —the choice— of abortion

    There are caveats to that position but yes, that essentially the base of it.

  78. Legal, safe, and rare.

  79. Seamus,

    “So you believe that unborn children are human beings but that they shouldn’t have the same rights and protections the rest of us have?”

    So do you. After all, If they had only the same rights and protections the rest of us have, abortion would still be legal. You want to give them additional rights and protections that no born person has.

    None of us has the right to be inside a woman’s body against her will. Nobody has the right to demand that someone provide them with a blood donation, bone marrow or an organ even if they will die otherwise, and certainly not if the procedure would do the donor objective harm. I would be surprised if even a signed contract to do so would stand in court.

  80. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

    Trump was publicly in favor of legal abortion before he became a politician

  81. Frank – are there many grownups crawling into women’s wombs against their will? It wouldn’t seem like there would be a lot of room.

  82. Interesting debate . I think I’m pretty much pat’s position .
    So we do differ from the pro choice lobby who don’t believe a human is made at conception.
    But after alot is soul searching we realise we can’t impose the legality on the woman that she must be forced to give birth .
    Looks like Seamus and phantom both want to make abortion illegal. But I doubt if they’ve really considered the implications of that I suit that pat and I have looked into it more deeply ..

  83. I never said that I want to make it illegal

    It’s an extremely tough subject

    I am only pointing out that if you favor keeping it legal, you are by definition taking the pro-choice position. You should never say otherwise.

  84. Mahons, nobody is allowed to be inside any part of a woman’s body even a little bit without her consent. It’s not obvious why the womb would be some kind of an exception or right of way if only someone figured out how to manage it.

    Besides, the ‘pro-life’ would say you are being sizeist – and plenty of them are inside women’s womb against their will. They just do it by proxy.

  85. Kurt,

    “So we do differ from the pro choice lobby who don’t believe a human is made at conception.”

    There’s nothing about pro choice that takes any position on when a human life starts. The issue is who decides (and that’s not about when a human life starts either).

    Yours and Pats position are quintessentially pro choice. You don’t believe you can force a woman to give birth. That’s pretty much the only thing pro choice people have in common.

  86. That’s right phantom and Frank am quite content with it.
    The prolife position I find crude .
    They’re saying no matter what the circumstances the mother had no rights and damn the social consequences of prohibition .
    The babies going full term and if you don’t like it you’re going to jail
    That’s not the right attitude

  87. Pro choice has taken a when life starts position. The original position was viability. Now they’ve moved the goalposts to where infanticide is here.

  88. Mahons,

    Abortion rights have nothing to do with when “life starts” (which was long time ago in Africa, I understand) and nor does it involve any right to kill anyone or anything. Nor is there any pro choice headquarters.

    Statements to the contrary are why many of us are often tempted to neglect to type the ‘f’ in ‘pro-life’.

  89. Oddly enough but it reveals mahons your thinking is unclear on this subject the term infanticide is a legal term to describe the crime of a mother taking the life of her child within the first year after birth .
    You might pivot and say you mean pre birth infanticide. But it’s not even a real word nor in statute !

  90. I believe life begins at conception that is Human being from the instant the sperm and egg become a new sequence of DNA. No matter at what point the pregnancy is terminated it is the death of an individual human being. And I am a firm believer that a Woman has the sole right to choose whether or not she carries that human being to term.

    Well said Patrick, but you will be well aware that you are in a minority in the GOP. Most of your guys want a near-total ban on abortion, including the guy in the White House. And they are hoping to see Roe v Wade overturned this year.

    Or have I missed something?

  91. Peter watching Cathy come home
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Come_Home
    Should be essential viewing for anyone who wants to be taken seriously on the social consequences of abortion. Only your diehard bigot would fail to grasp that the horrors are worse than the horrors prevented .

  92. I stand corrected the play is more about poverty homelessness and the right of the mother to keep her children.
    It certainly made a huge impact .I got it mixed up with anothe movie about backstreet abortions .
    Pat : safe legal and between God and the woman and her doctor. We can’t improve on that even though emotionally I sometimes would like to see a ban. Prohibition is just a bad idea .

  93. Abortion is a necessary evil. I think that most of us hereabouts can probably agree on that, and the question comes down to how it should be regulated. Making the morning-after pill freely available would be a good start.

  94. Peter,

    Not just how but whether. While there could be in principle restrictions on abortion that wouldn’t deny women the right to end their pregnancy at any time (eg restrictions on the method), Canada has no such restrictions and as far as I know, no problem either.

    Also as you know many of the ‘pro-life’ (and by the sound of it Pat and Kurt) would regard the morning after pill as abortion anyway, since they say they believe a human being is there from “the moment of conception” or “existence of new dna” or some such.

  95. Yes Frank

    My view is that abortion should be freely available up to 24 weeks as it is at present in the UK and (I think) the USA. But I would much prefer better contraception and freely available morning after pills.

  96. Why 24 weeks Peter ? So much is formed by then ? You know they often have to crush the skull to remove the foetus ?

  97. in the US it varies by state if there is a cut off date for abortion in most there is no time it’s not on demand.

    In the State where their trying to ban guns they’re passing a Law that you can carry the baby fullterm deliver it and then if the mother chooses to let it die in the delivery they’ll make it comfortable until the child dies and it’s still an abortion and legal……

    And yes the morning after pill is an abortion pill.

  98. //I believe life begins at conception//

    Life begins well before conception. The sperm, the ovum, the mother and father are all examples of life.

    It’s all about when the a person begins, and almost everyone – including those arguing most strongly against abortion – agrees that, or at least behaves as if – a fertilised ovum is not a person.

    //many of us are often tempted to neglect to type the ‘f’ in ‘pro-life’.//

    Clever.

  99. Noel – the question is when is when the person begins. By definition it is conception, even if the fertilized ovum is not yet a full and viable person. Arguments can and have been made that up until viability there is not right to protection. Now, we have laws permitting abortion well beyond that stage, virtually up to birth.

  100. Frank – your trying to suggest an argument is being made in a certain way when it is made in another. Then you can manipulate your rebuttal to an argument that was never made.

  101. It’s all about when the a person begins, and almost everyone – including those arguing most strongly against abortion – agrees that, or at least behaves as if – a fertilised ovum is not a person.

    Noel that is YOUR Opinion, NOT the majority’s

    A New life begins the instant the Egg is Fertilized.

    We can take an Egg and a Sperm combine them create life and never incubate it in a person. In your view that person isn’t alive ?