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EVERYBODY OUT!

By Pete Moore On January 25th, 2020

I’ve been reading this thoughtful piece by the renowned author and Remainer-turned-Leaver Louis de Bernières:

He makes the case for his conversion to national self-determination, and then he goes further. The reasons for Northern Ireland remaining in the UK (that the neighbors were backward and corrupt) have gone, in his opinion, so he can envisage a united Ireland one day. He also asserts, justifiably in my opinion, that if the ROI was being strictly rational it would leave the EU for an Anglo-Irish economic zone.

He makes the case also for the English seceding from Scotland. That English nationalism is the only variety which remains routinely denigrated and that Scotland appears to have fallen out of love with England, a separation is in order.

I don’t want to see such changes but, if done in an ordered and democratic way, I could live with them. The end point with such things must be something acceptable to a sufficient number of people for it to be a sustainable settlement. That is more important than insisting that a certain flag is raised over a particular piece of land simply because it was that way yesterday. If done properly we would all still be friends and neighbours and get along just fine.

You might find the piece interesting also.

13 Responses to “EVERYBODY OUT!”

  1. That if the ROI was being strictly rational it would leave the EU for an Anglo-Irish economic zone.

    I really don’t know why Brexiteers persist with this wet dream. Is is some kind of Freudian obsession that whatever Britain does Ireland must follow suit? Never gonna happen.

    t was obvious to them back then that being governed by an unelected government in Brussels was even worse than being governed by an elected one in Westminster

    There is no ‘unelected government in Brussels’. The Euro Commission is appointed by the Euro Council, who are the heads of Government of respective EU members, much like the second chamber of the ‘elected’ Government in Westminster.

  2. “Brexiteers persist with this wet dream.”

    ‘Wet dream? Over Ireland? Suppressing laughter.

    “much like the second chamber of the ‘elected’ Government in Westminster.”

    As you know the second chamber isn’t elected, it is appointed from among ex politicos, by Politicos, Just as we are, very much looking sideways at the bastardised overpopulated institution Tony Blair lumbered us with, someone holds it aloft as a paragon of democratic virtue.

    Yer couldn’t make that shit up!

  3. He’s more credible when he’s talking about the emotional things – all the deaths in the 2 world wars, etc.
    Because when he tries to get factual he’s all over the place.

    Just one example:
    He bemoans the fate of Greece (and pretends that it was the fate of Greece that made him a Brexiter), blames it all on the EU and fails even to mention the decades of spendthrift government in that country, where the govt continually showered on its population more money than it was taking in, and regularly filling up the deficit with cash it took from the EU and borrowed from European banks knowing it could never pay it back.

    He says Greece was forced into this or that; but Greece always had the option that the UK had in 2016, it just never wished to (or was afraid to) avail of it.

    He then says the whole fault was the EU’s for letting Greece in before it was ready to join. He of course doesn’t mention that Greece deliberately cooked its books just to meet the criteria for joining and for borrowing more and more, while it very loudly shouted down any (German) polititian at the time who warned against admitting the country prematurely precisely for the reasons de Bernieres now suddenly identifies

    He totally reverses history on that score and others.

    That Greece is now enjoying a recovery is due to the tough austerity decisions it made back then and that the Greek people endured. (but which de Bernieres is against). Last year, property prices in Athens increased by 10 pc, the stock market by 50 pc, there’s high employment and the GDP has increased by 12 pc over the past 8 years.

    All back news for the EU bashers, so let’s ignore it. De Bernieres believes Greece should simply have continued the spend, spend, spend approach.

    He should stick to talking about Mussolini.

    (BTW, Pete, best just link to the FT article. Those Twitter links are a mess)

  4. = All BAD news for the EU bashers

  5. Noel –

    I would just link to a piece but the ATW commentariat likes colourful pictures.

  6. ‘Wet dream? Over Ireland

    Yes, it’s been punted quite a few times by Brexis. Happy to see you disagree with it.

    Just as we are, very much looking sideways at the bastardised overpopulated institution Tony Blair lumbered us with

    You mean the HoL didn’t exist before Blair came to power?

  7. Ireland has stronger family and cultural ties with the UK than it will ever have with Spain and Germany

    But support for Eirxit would be close to zero

    One of the things that I believe that they like about the EU is that it has lessened British economic domination. Brexit will actually reduce that domination further

  8. Ireland has stronger family and cultural ties with the UK than it will ever have with Spain and Germany

    Well they largely speak the same language and of course Britain partitioned the country and implemented economic measures which saw widespread starvation and immigration so it’s probably unsurprising that Ireland would prefer the EU that any supposed Anglo-Irish economic zone.

  9. That Greece is now enjoying a recovery is due to the tough austerity decisions it made back then and that the Greek people endured.

    Surely you mean despite the austerity which caused a deeper depression in Greece than the one suffered by the USA in the 1930s. The economy has nowhere near recovered to where it was before it was “rescued” by the usual large dose of neoliberal medicine usually only inflicted on third world countries.

    For the hundred and fifteenth time, it wasn’t Greece that was bailed out, it was the French and German banks that stupidly and greedily lent hundreds of billions to its corrupt governments. They got their stupid loans repaid in full and savage austerity was loaded onto the Greek population. What should have happened was a large debt write-off and the pain should have been suffered by the banks, not the Greek people.

    https://data.worldbank.org/country/greece

  10. The author of the linked FT article is a novelist and dreamer. The economic issues caused by Brexit are enormous. The only thing he has to say is that he expects Boris to pull rabbits out of a hat. He wishes the ROI could be rational and leave the EU also. The Irish see what a horrendous mistake Brexit is and quite rationally are doing everything they can to mitigate its ill effects on the ROI. This guy should stick with writing novels and being a Little England nationalist. I’m surprised the FT published this article.

  11. The psychology behind the little Englander mentality:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/brexit-is-a-collective-english-mental-breakdown-1.3356258?fbclid=IwAR2dh6U2zFl89M2sG3wl6w3WVLuDNPj6Hh8q4DGsf5bcEOP62uuKawfQ70Q

  12. In the decades that the Free State/Republic of Ireland tethered its economy to Britian it saw nothing but poverty, low growth, mass exodus of people etc… It was only when the Republic of Ireland started to break those links and create stronger links with other economies (not just in the EU but also in the US) that the economy started to grow, and grow rapidly. So going back to the failed economic model of reliance on the British economy will bring nothing for the Republic.

  13. Don’t worry, a few years after Brexit sinks in, Westminster will be tethering the British economy to Ireland’s !