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IT’S GETTING WORSE IN CHINA

By Pete Moore On January 25th, 2020

The spread of a deadly new virus is accelerating, Chinese President Xi Jinping warned, after holding a special government meeting on the Lunar New Year public holiday.

The country is facing a “grave situation” Mr Xi told senior officials, according to state television.

That’s the lying Chinese public assessment. If Xi Jinping is admitting to a grave situation you can be sure it’s really bad.

Matt Frei on LBC this morning took a call from an Irishman living in Wuhan (video here). I was about to get out of my car when he came on but stayed to listen to the call. It sounds quite bizarre and surreal out there.

94 Responses to “IT’S GETTING WORSE IN CHINA”

  1. The Chinese junta is totalitarian and utterly ruthless. If they need to lock down a city of 11 million they will do that and whatever else they think is necessary. Necessary to secure the junta’s survival that is.

  2. https://youtu.be/fPEEdyG3Os8

    This is the number one story in the world, not American inside baseball political nonsense

  3. Peter –

    In the end the regime’s survival is the only consideration, to the regime that is.

    Phantom –

    With England in total control of the fourth Test and about to win the series in South Africa*, a mere deadly pandemic is not the number one story.

    *Here comes the second innings batting collapse

  4. I do not for one minute think that the -only- consideration of the Chinese regime is it’s own survival

    I think that they have great concern for the safety of their own Chinese people

  5. I think that they have great concern for the safety of their own Chinese people

    I seriously doubt that. They have imprisoned / tortured / murdered millions of their own citizens within the past three years. They are merciless and totally amoral. They suppress dissident opinion ruthlessly. They censor the internet totally (Putin is hoping to catch up soon). They harvest the organs of executed prisoners and sell them for profit. This is the same regime that butchered thousands in Tiannamen Square in 1990. And they will commit Tianamen mark 2 in Hong Kong as soon as they think that the price is worth paying.

    They are not deserving of the slightest approval or respect from anyone who has a shred of decency. Which explains why Trump has not uttered a single peep of protest at their flagrant abuse of human rights. And never will.

    “As of 2018, it was estimated that the Chinese authorities may have detained hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million, of Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and other ethnic Turkic Muslims, Christians as well as some foreign citizens such as Kazakhstanis, who are kept in these secretive internment camps throughout the region.[24][25][26][27][28][29] In May 2018, Randall Schriver of the United States Department of Defense claimed that “at least a million but likely closer to three million citizens” were imprisoned in detention centers in a strong condemnation of the “concentration camps”.[5][6] In August 2018, a United Nations human rights panel said that it had received many credible reports that 1 million ethnic Uyghurs in China have been held in “re-education camps”.[30][31] There have also been multiple reports from media[32][33][34][35][36][37], politicians[38][39] and researchers[40][41][42][43][44][45][46] comparing the camps to the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

    In 2019, the United Nations ambassadors from 22 nations, including Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, and the United Kingdom[47][48] signed a letter condemning China’s mass detention of the Uyghurs and other minority groups, urging the Chinese government to close the camps.[49][50][51] Conversely, a joint statement was alleged to be signed by 37 states that voiced approval of China’s counter-terrorism program in Xinjiang, including Algeria, the DR Congo, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Pakistan, North Korea, Egypt, Nigeria, the Philippines and Sudan.[52][47][53][48][53]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

  6. The chinese have a long way to go before they can be considered a nation that cares about it’s people at least at any standard we would consider anyway. If anything their totalitarian control got a shot in the arm in the last decade as their internal surveillance abilities haven’t just increased but have been implemented as a tool to directly control it’s people.

    That being said I have other more paranoid concerns over this incident. China is NOT been forthcoming with a lot of the basic things that are shared in these outbreaks. They have not shared honest numbers, infection rates, or death rate. They haven’t even confirmed the actual source other than it was food market of what we would consider exotic tastes, but which are common there.

    Wuhan Bioengineering School and Laboratories is one of two of the Chinese known weapons labs. The lack of honest numbers and not sharing their sample of the virus gnome along with state media internally at one point saying it was an american bioweapons attack it’s very fishy.

    They’ve locked down 8 cities not one, 35 million people….. which of course even in China is impossible.

    The US is sequencing the structure of the virus from our 3 known cases. If it’s not natural it will come out. Even if it is natural the Chinese need help or they wouldn’t be holding information back.

  7. The Chinese Communist/kleptocrats are bad but under Deng’s policies and afterward hundreds of millions of Chinese Have risen from poverty to a middle-class lifestyle not much different than Europeans or Americans

    I saw it when I was over there

    That would not have happened if the Chinese government had no regard for its own people

    China is not North Korea

  8. The wealth is raising their living conditions, not their freedom.

  9. under Deng’s policies and afterward hundreds of millions of Chinese Have risen from poverty to a middle-class lifestyle not much different than Europeans or Americans

    Yes Phantom, but they are also one of the most repressed nations on the planet as they have no political freedom whatsoever and their government is well down the road of the total surveillance Big Brother state. Which explains why Hong Kong is in serious revolt and why Taiwan voted for an anti-China president this month. Because they don’t want to part of that totalitarian thought-police experiment.

  10. Right but The government -does- care about the welfare of the Han Chinese people in their own communist repressive way

    They are exceptionally cruel to the Tibetans and to the Uighurs, But those peoples are not ethnic Chinese

    The muslim uighurs are seen by the government ( and by many Chinese ) as a major potential terrorist threat. There were some serious terrorist incidence a while back

  11. The Chinese government’s concern for their citizens seems to be pretty fucking situational to me. Let’s hope this virus gets under control.

  12. I don’t think it’s situational at all

    They are Asian communists, they’re not gonna see the world the same way that we do

    And they are just as capable of growing up as our governments are

    They shut down those wild animal markets After SARS but then the stupid idiots let them open up again

  13. And remember everybody

    “ The government has no proper role in healthcare”

    That has been said 1 million times by multiple people here

    The Chinese government shouldn’t do anything about this

    Let the free market handle it

  14. Phantom is in many ways right. Transforming a society and economy of a billion people obviously has to be done cautiously and gradually if chaos and bloodshed are to be avoided.

    That transformation certainly wouldn’t have been so successful if there had been some kind of “Han Spring” uprising. The Chinese under a totalitarian government are also probably happier, more prosperous, better educated and healthier than the people in democratic India.

    But its human rights record is abysmal and in general China’s a very dreary place in terms of doing and saying what you want, media and cultural life.

  15. Perhaps getting a grip is worth a try?

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/01/24/reality-check-coronavirus-fear-porn/

    The reality is that 26 people have died.

    For comparison’s sake, 80,000 people died of flu in 2018 in the United States alone. (at least, according to the CDC).

    Coronavirus – or rather, this particular strain of coronavirus, as they are very common and mostly harmless – has had 800 reported cases to go along with those 26 reported deaths. That’s a mortality rate of just over three per cent.

    Further, we don’t even know the details of those 26 unfortunate patients, it’s entirely possible the 26 deaths are accounted for by the very old, the very young, or the immuno-compromised. But even if they’re not…3 per cent mortality is not high.

    So what could be behind this latest drive to fear?

    During the 2009 “Swine Flu” panic, a German MEP accused the World Health Organisation of “creating a panic” in order to sell vaccines. Though the WHO vehemently denied this, an independent report later found that several of the “independent flu experts” that WHO consulted had financial ties to vaccine manufacturers.

    Three years ago, the Zika virus had Floridians BEGGING to be sprayed with pesticides and had millions of genetically modified mosquitoes released into the wild. Considering Zika has never been scientifically proven to do anything by cause cold symptoms, that was a nice result.

    And officialdom in China is every bit as corrupted as the agenda-setters in the US/UK…….

    Right now, despite fewer than 30 deaths, millions of Chinese people are under a “lockdown”. Public gatherings are being halted. That’s power you can’t buy.

    In short……

    We don’t know the casualty numbers are accurate, China could be downplaying the threat to minimise panic.

    We don’t know that the “lockdown” is as extensive as our media report, the press could be exaggerating to paint China as hysterical or autocratic.

    We don’t even know for sure the disease exists at all, when you think about it.

    As usual, absolute scepticism is required. It’s hard to say exactly what’s happening yet, but when 26 deaths makes international news…that means something is going on.

  16. Camera..lights…and action.

    The Chinese are simply the worst actors on the planet.

    Allan@ is correct.

    Ffs! Get a grip.

  17. The only thing getting worse in China, is the ham acting.

    It all makes sense now why Chinese movies are just so shit.

  18. It’s a conspiracy!

  19. Phantom.

    It’s not even that, it’s bollocks.

  20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHUBZEg1lQ

  21. I will only worried about the Coronavirus when Allan is. Now that I know Allan has revealed its a deliberate and fake politically inspired panic I can relax 🙂

  22. If the Chinese don’t want to feel ill, it would be advisable to stop eating Bats and snakes, and just about anything else with a pulse,

    Stick to chicken, or a McDonalds.

    That will teach them.

  23. The media isn’t trying to panic everybody, or create scaremongering stories at all is it. (Sarcasm)
    Around 3200 people are killed on the roads worldwide each day, but that doesn’t seem to make the news.

    From the BBC linked article:

    The coronavirus has killed at least 56 people and infected almost 2,000 since its discovery in the city of Wuhan.

    It’s not exactly ebola when it comes to how many infected people die.

  24. When the whole world turns vegan and we only eat lettuce, tofu and falafel, we will be a lot healthier….. but we will die of culinary boredom 🙂

  25. Nice wedge of lime in the bottleneck and you’ll be fine.

  26. Colm,

    When the whole world turns vegan and we only eat lettuce, tofu and falafel, we will be a lot healthier….. but we will die of culinary boredom 🙂

    Vegetarian and vegan food can be every bit as tasty as eating animal products.

  27. Bring out your dead..bring out your dead..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

  28. https://impossiblefoods.com/

    These and similar products are pretty wonderful and are flying off the shelves in supermarkets

    And traditional veggie meals can be delicious also

  29. Phantom.

    Have you ever thought about possibly becoming a nutritionist advisor to the Chinese Government?

  30. Phantom and Dave

    I was being tongue in cheek. I am quite keen on eating more vegetarian meals. Nowadays I am mostly vegetarian during the week and keep my meat meals for the weekend.

  31. I follow a similar pattern to you Colm.
    I’m having steak today, but I’m pretty much meat free through the week.
    I’ve gotten pretty good at this cooking lark. I really enjoyed doing it. Experimenting with new flavours and cooking methods.

  32. Phantom. I haven’t tried one of those impossible burgers yet, but I’m looking forward to giving one a ago.

  33. I’m also eating less and less meat, as are many people that I know in the US and Europe.

    Factory farms and “ wet markets “ in Asia, where large numbers of wild animals and dogs and cats are kept in dirty conditions before slaughter are a big problem. Wet markets exist throughout Asia and in Africa.

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-26/new-and-dangerous-coronaviruses-will-keep-emerging-until-we-focus-on-preventing-them

  34. I tried impossible sausages from the supermarket a Month ago, and they were really good.

    The Dunkin’ ’ Donuts chain is doing very well with their “ beyond meat “ sausage. I think that they cost more than meat sausage, but are worth it

    https://news.dunkindonuts.com/blog/dunkin-beyond-meat-sausage-breakfast

  35. I’m not eating less meat, though I think I have over the last few years shifted the sort of meat I’m eating (with less red meat and more chicken for example). I’d also disagree that vegetarian and vegan food can be every bit as tasty as meat. Definitely vegetarian and vegan food can be delicious but nothing comes close to the enjoyment of a good steak.

  36. A proper Medium rare steak is still the best. I will have one of those about twice a year on special occasions

    But the quality of veggie sausages Has increased sharply and now in my opinion they are just as good as meat sausages. A lot of what people like about sausages in the first place are not the pork that is in them at all; it’s the texture and the spices

    Veggie burgers have long been bleh, I need to try the new impossible ones, Which come well recommended

  37. Vegetarian food can be great as the Linda McCartney range proves, particularly the LMcC ‘meat’ pies.

    I’m not and have never been much of a meat eater and when I do have it it’s seldom alone but in sauces like chilli, bolognese etc or pies. I think the last time I ate meat was probably about two months ago.

    Nothing comes close to the enjoyment of a good steak.

    Each to their own but I honestly don’t see what all the fuss is about. Now, bacon, on the other hand….

  38. My primary food is Juice. I follow a very complicated juicing routine to fight the Lyme disease, but I love meat. Burgers, Steaks, Pork Chops, Sausages, Venison and Fish.

    And ALL MEAT except Fish should be what most of you would consider burnt…. Burn me a thick one add some sauteed mushrooms and caramelized onions mmm mmm good.

  39. “A proper Medium rare steak is still the best.”

    Rare going on blue for me.

    “Now, bacon, on the other hand….”

    Hard to find any fault with bacon.

    “I’m not and have never been much of a meat eater and when I do have it it’s seldom alone but in sauces like chilli, bolognese etc or pies”

    I think those are the easiest to substitute meat. You still keep the sauce, and the flavour from the sauce.

  40. Burnt meat destroys nearly all the nutrition that is in it and makes it more unhealthy generally

  41. “Burnt meat destroys nearly all the nutrition that is in it and makes it more unhealthy generally”

    It also tastes horrible.

  42. I have never usually been impressed by veggie meat alternatives but I bought a pack of Linda McCartney veggie sausages the other day because they were half price and I was surprisingly impressed. They cooked well and even and tasted good.

  43. Hard to find any fault with bacon

    Scrambled eggs, good bacon and fried soda and potato bread with HP is the breakfast I dream of.

    For the Spanish eating so much pig meant their bacon is ansolutely shite.

  44. Seamus

    Yes

    I would never eat a burnt steak

    What’s the point

    This is the first time I’m hearing of McCartney sausages. They’re not for sale in the US

  45. Fried bread of any kind is vile !

  46. The Linda McCartney veggie range of foods has been big business for decades in the U.K. They were launched by Linda but after her death I don’t know if they are still owned by the McCartney family.

  47. Scrambled eggs, good bacon and fried soda and potato bread with HP is the breakfast I dream of.

    Pretty much. An old fashioned fry is the way to go. Sausage, bacon, black pudding, some mushrooms, fried soda, potato bread and a pancake. Shoot anyone who comes near it with beans. Complete with a cup of tea.

  48. Burnt meat is widely believed to be more likely to be cancer causing

    Stay away from it

  49. “Fried bread of any kind is vile !”

    Not these types of bread. It isn’t normal bread.

  50. Phantom,

    Indeed. Can’t understand why people do it.

  51. Bacon is one of those undeniable pleasures of life.

    Paul what is HP ?

  52. HP is a savoury brown sauce.

  53. thanks Colm

  54. Strictly speaking it’s more of a fruity and savoury brown sauce. Not sure what the American equivalent would be.

  55. It is spicy as well. A pretty unique flavour.

  56. Complete with a cup of tea

    Has to be seriously strong and sweet tho.

    Not bif on mushrooms, beans or tomatoes on a fry at all. I’m also fond of toasted pancakes smothered in real butter for breakfast too but don’t think they belong on a fry either.

    Pat,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce

  57. HP sauce is sold here

  58. BTW Colm, fried soda & potato bread is manna from heaven.

  59. I like soda bread, not keen on potato bread, and tea should be strong but NOT sweet. Hate fried tomatoes but love mushrooms. HP sauce is OK in small doses. Fried egg has to be very runny. Love black pudding.

  60. Scrambled eggs mixed with cheese, bacon, scrapple, toasted rye bread, and a pot of coffee. With just a touch of milk in each cup of…..

  61. What the hell is scrapple !!

  62. I had to look it up. I think I’ll just go with bacon, eggs, fried bread and HP.

  63. I googled it too. It seems like anything leftover and edible including bits picked up from the floor and squashed together into a slab. Cordon Bleu it ain’t 😉

  64. Colm, that’s enough of your sauce now.

  65. It seems like anything leftover and edible including bits picked up from the floor and squashed together into a slab. yep that’s a good description….. and it’s delicious !

  66. And it’s delicious !

    Drowned in HP it probably is 🙂

    Toasted rye bread

    Have to say Pat, I found your standard, run of the mill Yank bread to be very, very poor quality.

  67. Rye Bread isn’t standard American White Bread. It’s an american german/jewish brown bread for the most part it’s not massed produced but a staple in areas with a good german or jewish community.

  68. Very high quality bread is available pretty much everywhere here

    Paul have you been to the US! Your views of US beer and bread seem stuck in 1965.

    Seeded Rye may be my favorite bread.

  69. I’ve been to the US twice Phantom, the last time being in 1991.

    I know what rye bread is Pat. I was referring to the mass produced supermarket stuff, disgustingly sweet, vile stuff.

  70. I don’t think that the quality of bread in the US is much different than that sold in the UK or Ireland

    The quality of bread ( and beer, coffee, good quality fruit and vegetable, in or out of season ) in all three countries has gone up greatly over the past decades. In small towns as well as big.

  71. What are the esteemed panels views on pork pies ?

  72. I don’t think that the quality of bread in the US is much different than that sold in the UK or Ireland

    If you’re talking about standard mass produced supermarket stuff I have to disagree.

    I agree on your second point.

  73. Pork pies aren’t really my thing Colm. I’m more yer mince / onion, steak/ veg man.

  74. Is this a feed a fever discussion?

  75. definitely… a food fever

  76. cold meat pies aren’t a big thing over here, at least in my experience.

  77. I know pork pies aren’t healthy, but soaking one in vinegar and then spreading a nice dollop of good old English Colman’s mustard on top is a real treat 😍

  78. Colm.

    I love pork pie smothered English mustard.
    What’s the vinegar thing is a new one on me. I’ll have to try that.

  79. Dave

    It’s a marmite thing, you either love it or hate it 😉

  80. I don’t know anyone else who likes putting vinegar on pork pies, I think it’s just a Colm thing !

  81. Phantom

    HP sauce is sold here

    I just bought some HP sauce yesterday because I’ve run out.
    I noticed that they do a fruity version. I’m tempted to try it because I seem to remember HP sauce used to be a lot fruitier than it is now. Anyone got any advice on this?

  82. Colm.
    I tend to stick to what I know, but I always try and push myself to try new things.
    I absolutely love my marmite, twiglets are my favourite snack.

  83. And ALL MEAT except Fish should be what most of you would consider burnt…

    No f****** way. I like my meat as raw as possible. I like my fillet blue. But to be honest I eat meat raw if I could. I’m a big fan of steak tartare.

  84. Marmite spread thickly on toast and topped with grilled melted vintage cheddar cheese.

    Food of the Gods. My mouth is watering.

    Colmans English mustard is outstanding and works magnificently as a substitute for Marmite on the above.

  85. Paul.

    I always knew you were a top-class bloke mate.
    Absolutely agree with everything you said there. 😀

  86. I used to hate marmite but strangely always loved marmite crisps. Always liked twiglets too. Now I quite like marmite and although I haven’t tried it with melted cheddar in toast, I think that sounds great, I can almost taste it now.

  87. I really miss Marmite & Colmans, really difficult to get here. There’s a LIDL supermarket close to my house which regularly restocks with mature cheddar from the West Country though so I’m grateful for small consolations.

  88. Get someone to bring some back from Ireland, or easily obtainable online!

  89. Anytime I go back home Phantom I book extra luggage on the way back and bring 22kgs of grub back.

  90. Colm,

    I used to hate marmite but strangely always loved marmite crisps. Always liked twiglets too. Now I quite like marmite and although I haven’t tried it with melted cheddar in toast, I think that sounds great, I can almost taste it now.

    I just made some with Tesco finest mature English cheddar. Christ I’ve got absolutely no willpower at all. I’m eating it now while sipping a double whiskey.

  91. What are the esteemed panels views on pork pies ?

    A magnificent creation, when done properly. Colmans, pickle, pickled onions, sauerkraut – load it up however you like.

  92. I’m eating it now while sipping a double whiskey.

    Living the dream.

  93. Pete

    You had to ruin by bringing sauerkraut into it. That is not food fit for a Brexiteer 😉

  94. I’m on one of the “2” days of the 5:2 diet today and all this talk of food and steak isn’t helping 🙂