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Live Free or Die

By Mahons On February 12th, 2020

Ive always heard that convicts make license plates so it is ironic the those in New Hampshire would have to make them featuring the state motto Live Free or Die. That daily routine would make a fella want to go full Shawshank on his situation.
Bernie Sanders won the New Hampshire primary. He had to, it is a small neighboring state with a demographic like his native Vermont. The Mayor of Sound Bend managed a close second keeping him in the picture. Warren and Biden did poorly, and while not ending their chances, it is an indication of their lack of appeal. Biden has never really done well in the primaries and his name recognition can only carry him so far. Amy Klobuchar notched a strong third place, and may be riding a wave of moderates. We shall see if it carries over to Neveda and the southern primaries.

147 Responses to “Live Free or Die”

  1. Warren is weird, shrill, a little too excitable. Not a new observation, but one that’s not talked about enough

    She can name all the problems, but she has few solutions that can withstand scrutiny. Her numbers don’t add up.

    I think that her attack on Bernie, based on her account of a private conversation she had had with him, hurt her much more than it did him.

    If she can’t top 10% when she lives right next door in MA, she’s got nothing. It’s over.

    Bernie’s the most honest person in the race, give him that. But he has most all the faults of Warren, and is also the one most likely to put some of us in a communist re-education camp. May he have bad luck in all future elections.

    I note that the more centrist Amy and Pete combined got more votes than the bomb-throwers Bernie and Warren.

    Now if the sensible Dems can sideline Bernie by clustering around a pragmatist, we’ll be getting somewhere.

    Warming up in the bullpen, Mike Bloomberg, who they’re all afraid of.

  2. I liked Klobuchar in the beginning. When she first started her run she made sense she spoke to standard Democrat blur collar issues, but when the field went into the weeds on the left she dove right in with them.

  3. Correct.

    An error on her part.

    But maybe she tacks back to the center now.

    In both parties there is a tendency to pander to the extremists in the primaries, up to a point, and then to move to the center, where most Americans live.

  4. she hold up well if she does

  5. Why is Bloomberg waiting in the wings? Could he have missed his chance? Surely only he or Amy have a chance of beating Trump?

  6. //Surely only he or Amy have a chance of beating Trump?//

    Sanders does too.

  7. Bloomberg has entered the race.

    He skipped Iowa and New Hampshire but he will be in the other states primaries

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/482235-juan-williams-the-door-is-open-for-bloomberg

    He polls very well to date

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_bloomberg-6797.html

  8. Sanders would IMO get destroyed by Trump.

    He would not win any swing states, including PA or MI.

    Trump could actually get a popular and electoral landslide against someone like Bernie.

  9. //Sanders would IMO get destroyed by Trump.
    –Trump could actually get a popular and electoral landslide against someone like Bernie.//

    Sanders would beat Trump according to Quinnipiac, NBC News/Wall St. Journal, LA Times, ABC News/Washington Post, Fox News, Emerson…..

  10. I think that those polls say what they think that the national popular vote would be.

    Which is not how it works.

    I don’t see any of the white blue collar guys who voted for Trump in 2016 switching to vote for Bernie Sanders.

    For a whole lot of reasons which actually include health care ( Trump wants to take away health care benefits, but so in a way does Bernie Sanders. Medicare for all takes away the option of gold plated health insurance that a number of union members have always had ) And Bernie wants free health care for illegal aliens, which will further burden the tax base and the doctors. Think Trump won’t mention that?

    Sanders would IMO repel any moderates almost as much as Trump does now. And unless all those people show up and vote Dem on election day, they won’t win anything.

  11. Can you imagine many of the people who voted for Hilary Clinton in 2016 now switching over to Trump after four years of that madman?

    But on the other hand, I think we all can imagine a lot of the blue-collar workers who went for Trump giving Sanders a chance this time.
    But you’re probably right about the reaction to free health insurance for illegal aliens.

  12. Trump wants to take away health care benefits, but so in a way does Bernie Sanders. Medicare for all takes away the option of gold plated health insurance that a number of union members have always had

    I won’t pretend to know the minutia of this but it seems strange logic to me that if a number of union members get a lesser degree of health care so that all can have healthcare is equivilent to ‘taking away health care benefits’ I don’t think it’s an approriate comparison at all.

  13. Noel

    None of the Dem candidates will even use the term illegal aliens any more. They think that it’s mean in some way.

    Paul

    Cops, fire, teachers, some construction workers etc have triple gold plated health insurance plans that cover them for life where they can see any doctor with no pre-approvals and pay no deductibles. Sanders would take a lot of that away from them. Benefits that they fought for in union negotiations, whereby they in many cases took the better health care instead of a pay rise.

    Very many of those guys will not vote for a guy who wants to take those coverages away from them, replacing them with something that is less. That’s a fact.

    There are other, big problems with medicare for all. For starters, the existing medicare ( mostly for retired people ) systematically underpays doctors and hospitals so medicare for all will mean that all patients are covered by a plan whereby the doctors and hospitals are paid at a very low rate.

  14. An amazingly, (probably deliberately), complocated, beauracratic maze.

    If I was one of those union members above I wouldn’t mind losing some of that if it meant that my grandkids would have a decent level of health care.

    On the issue of healthcare to aliens. On principle I disagree with it but it’s my understanding that they’re able to work and pay taxes, (which I admit, I don’t understand), and if they’re paying taxes then they should be entitled to services.

  15. Paul

    You’ve said that before, and you’re correct.

    The US health system is wildly over-complicated.

    Any health care system will be complex, with things going on that the average person does not understand, but the US system has vast amounts of unnecessary activity.

    In the average doctors office there may be two assistants whose job is to haggle with health insurance companies all day long. It’s insane.

  16. Those golden packages are the single major reason the majority of major cities are in financial ruin and are the reason that the american auto industry needed to be bailed out.

  17. I think that the police / fire pensions are the biggest financial albatross around the cities

    A lot of those guys retire at 50 years of age or younger.

  18. I know a Trump supporter, former teacher from Long Island, who retired at the age of 50 and is now living in Orlando Florida.

    He has full pension and full health benefits, worries about nothing, and spends his days of ease screaming about how great Donald Trump is and how terrible Obamacare is.

    ” I got mine, Jack “

    There are many just like him.

  19. and even those need to change, the biggest offender are the teachers but the retirement plan structure of all 3 needs to be replaced.

  20. I’d endorse that…moving towards a decent base plan for all all citizens and all legal residents ( nothing for others )

    But any rollback of what government workers already have will lead to a major fight with the unions

    Also, retired US presidents, should get the same thing as the average worker gets and no more.

    If a private employer wants to give their work force a gold plated plan, that should be allowed

  21. here’s the problem we’re having in Pa the state has been trying for over ten years to implement is a plan that would only effect new hires not a single person already in the system and each time the unions walk and each time the state gives in…. there’s a trainwreck coming.

  22. Noel – those same polls had Clinton beating Trump (me too, I still owe Charles a Cowboy shirt photo).
    Sanders worries moderates and conservatives, both of whom might very well put up with Trump rather than vote for Sanders.

  23. Patrick

    Macron is having exactly the same problem in France. He is trying to increase the retirement age from 62 (!) to I think 64, and it’s like the fall of the Bastille every week in Paris.

    The UK gets a lot wrong a lot of the time but our state pension age for both men and women is gradually increasing to 67 (we will be there by 2024). This was legislated about fifteen years ago and has been getting phased in since about five years ago. There is no compulsory retirement age which means that your employer cannot force you out if you are still doing the job well.

  24. The retirement age is currently 67 in Spain, Peter.

  25. I loathe Trump, and I might vote for him over Sanders.

    Sanders really does want to shift the country in a left direction, in a way that we may never recover from.

    Sanders admired Castro’s Cuba. That’s what he might have in mind for us. Remember Castro promised free elections, elections that never came.

    Sanders needs to be sidelined, stat, by centrists taking control by coalescing around the Amy or Bloomberg.

  26. The GOP senators acquitted Trump last week mouthing platitudes about “Let the people decide in November!” But the people decided in favour of Hillary by three million in November 2016 and we could well see a similar outcome this year, with maybe with an even bigger margin in favour of the Dems in the popular vote but a comfortable Trump win in the electoral college.

    I see that Bittigieg wants to abolish the electoral college. It is absurdly undemocratic and will increasingly favour the GOP. And let’s not mention their inbuilt GOP advantage in the senate where North Dakota (population 700,000) elects two senators just like California (population 30 million). To outsiders the USA looks less and less like a democracy and more and more like an oligarchy with an outdated electoral system and billionaires buying politicians with unlimited campaign contributions.

  27. The Electoral College won’t change any time soon.

    Best not to focus on that today.

    Best to focus on nominating a tough smart and reasonable centrist that can attract average people in western PA and Ohio.

    A vote for Bernie in the primary is a vote for Trump.

  28. The Electoral College won’t change any time soon.

    Best not to focus on that today.

    Best to focus on nominating a tough smart and reasonable centrist that can attract average people in western PA and Ohio.

    A vote for Bernie in the primary is a vote for Trump.

  29. The Senate is never going to change. As for the Electoral College I’m not particularly against it.

  30. Sanders admired Castro’s Cuba

    When was that Phantom? Fifty years ago?

    I think that Saunders is closer to European social democracy than anything else and while that might be anathema to the God fearin’ mom’s apple pie people it’s extreme hyperbole to align such positions with Castro’s Cuba, (unless of course you’re Pete Moore).

  31. There was little to admire about in Castro’s Cuba in 1969.

    There would have been no remaining illusions among thinking persons by then.

    Sanders has AFAIK never spoken badly about that government, where there are no speech or political rights to this very day.

  32. Do you think Saunders is the same person he was fifty years ago?

    You agree that Saunders is closer to Nordic democratic socialism than Cuban communism?

  33. I trust him as far as I throw him.

    I see him to the left of the Nordics.

    He is anti-capitalist in my view, much worse than prevailing thought in say Finland.

    You need a uniter on the national scene now, after the horror and disgrace of Trump, and he isn’t any of that.

  34. Two different points. I will agree that Bernie is a bit too radical for the US 5’8 but he is closer to the Nordic demsoc model and certainly no Castro.

    I’m not sure what anti-capitalist means but would imagine it wouldn’t go down too well with neighbourhood business, smal shops, restaurants, bars etc whose reason for being is to generate profit.

  35. Castro wasn’t revealed as a tyrant until he had power.

    Bernie has no power now. So he is the cuddly uncle who speaks of planting free stuff trees.

    He is not to be trusted.

  36. Bernie’s proposals are not economically sustainable and that is while he is trying to appeal to the entire electorate. What he might do in office unfettered by election concerns is worrying.

  37. But that wouldn’t be a problem. You’ve got Pat, the 2nd Ammendment and the Montana Militia.

    Saunders may be radical by US standards but he’s no Castro no matter how it’s tried to be squared.

  38. I will credit Saunders with one thing. It’s largely thanks to him that having conversations about ‘socialism’ in the US isn’t seen as treasonous anymore.

  39. Democrat TV commentator Chris Matthews spoke to this very recently.

    Bernie won’t be the president. He shouldn’t be a Senator.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/08/chris-matthews-warns-of-executions-in-central-park-if-socialism-wins/

    “I have my own views of the word socialist and I’ll be glad to share them with you in private and they go back to the early 1950s,” he told a post-debate analysis panel.

    “I have an attitude about them. I remember the Cold War. I have an attitude toward [Fidel] Castro,” he added. “I believe if Castro and the reds had won the Cold War there would have been executions in Central Park and I might have been one of the ones getting executed. And certain other people would be there cheering.”

  40. Sanders…. not Saunders Sanders is a true believer he has been his whole life and still is now despite his wallet…. in his view he deserves the perks a lifetime of politics has given him because he is a “master planer” he is one of those that really believe the only reason the soviet system didn’t work was because THEY weren’t running it… if Bernie ran it by gum it woulda worked….

  41. Bernie didn’t honeymoon in Sweden

    He spent his honeymoon in Cuba, less than a decade after the political executions there.

    F* him

  42. I loathe Trump, and I might vote for him over Sanders.

    A stunning admission Phantom, but it sums up just what a threat Sanders is to our Country. Many Democrats such as yourself don’t want a revolution in this country, thank you very much. It’s what Obama, and Carville and many other Dems are warning the party about. Sanders is not your granddad’s Democrat. Beware!

  43. The problem policy problem that the democrats face is everyone of them has pledged to end fracking. Fracking is the keystone that we are laying as the foundation for the redevelopment of the entire economy.

    The US is booming right now and it’s just getting started off of LNG the fracking, the piping, the construction, the retooling of power plants and rebuilding of factories plus all the ancillary businesses that feed them and profit off the workers ALL every piece starts from fracking.

    They’re all running on putting everyone on the unemployment line.

  44. He spent his honeymoon in Cuba, less than a decade after the political executions there

    Do you think he’s the same person he was fifty years ago? You agree that Martin McGuinness should have been demonised for things he did forty years prior to his death?

  45. Democrat strategist Carville is seriously smart.

    As all here might not know, he is married to Mary Carville, Republican political operative who would be on the opposite political side of most things.

    They AFAIK have a very good marriage despite the political differences. I love that.

  46. Carvills guy this time was Bennet. He just dropped out and I don’t think he made any of the debates.

    Carvills points however are valid about Bernie and where the democrat party is right now.

    it starts at 1:05

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pJPg7Y8PAw&t=

  47. The policy problem that the democrats face is everyone of them has pledged to end fracking.

    I would say a much bigger problem is that they all appear to be in favour of de-facto open borders.

    Fracking is already being out-competed by wind and solar and will come to an end if the market is allowed to do its work. Investors are increasingly nervous about its exposure to a very volatile oil price:

    “2018 was the year the oil and gas industry promised that its darling, the shale fracking revolution, would stop focusing on endless production and instead turn a profit for its investors. But as the year winds to a close, it’s clear that hasn’t happened. Instead, the fracking industry has helped set new records for U.S. oil production while continuing to lose huge amounts of money — and that was before the recent crash in oil prices…

    Reuters recently analyzed 32 fracking companies and declared that “U.S. shale firms are more profitable than ever after a strong third quarter.” How is this possible? Reading a bit further reveals what Reuters considers “profits.” “The group’s cash flow deficit has narrowed to $945 million as U.S. benchmark crude hit $70 a barrel and production soared,” reported Reuters.

    So, “more profitable than ever” means that those 32 companies are running a deficit of nearly $1 billion. That does not meet the accepted definition of profit…”

    https://www.desmogblog.com/2018/12/18/fracking-finances-record-oil-production-fuzzy-math

  48. Bennet was wasting everyone’s time, like the ying yang guy with his money tree

  49. Peter the united states is at the beginning of it’s largest oil and gas boom and that is a direct result of fracking. Nay say away….

  50. It’s interesting that Carville mentions not wanting to go the way of British Labour, out in the weeds somewhere. The Democratic Party has definitely left the Ragin’ Cajun behind.

    Regarding black voters in the South, Carville is spot on. They want a party to articulate a better life for them. They are not going to be buying what Bernie and Pete are selling.

  51. the Yang Gang……

  52. you got it right on both scores Charles

  53. Peter the united states is at the beginning of it’s largest oil and gas boom

    Patrick

    That’s a bit like Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble saying to an investor “We’ve got a great stone quarry here!” just as the iron age is getting going. The investor answers: “Sorrry guys, times have changed. You need to abandon that stone quarry and start mining for iron ore. Give me a call when you find some.”

  54. The dem candidates want to ban fracking on public land, not private land.

  55. The problem with fracking that I see, if you call it a problem as a consumer, is low petrol prices. I know it’s the dead of winter with low demand, but petrol here is a $1.87 a gallon. That’s a big savings for the average family, and puts money in their pocket. I’m sure the market will right itself and bring supply back in line with demand. I read that last year the State of Texas brought in 17 billion dollars in taxes from the oil and gas industry. We’re in a real boom down here.

  56. Trumpers want to dig up every inch of public land.

    What good is a wilderness anyway?

    Blow that shit up.

  57. Sanders will lose if he’s the nominee. Moderates will stay home, young people still don’t vote in sizable numbers, educated/suburban women seriously dislike him. He’s ancient, just had a heart attack and refuses to release his medical records. He should name his vice president now, because that’s who may be running the country if he’s miraculously elected.

  58. I read that last year the State of Texas brought in 17 billion dollars in taxes from the oil and gas industry.

    Maybe Charles, but not from the fracking part of it. That has never made any significant profits as per my 8.46 PM.

  59. Daphne, Mayor Pete as his running mate? I’m thinking it will be a brokered convention.

  60. Too true, Phantom. The GOP hates our public lands and want to exploit it for private profit at every turn. Fuck Yellowstone and the Smoky Mountains.

  61. Sanders is similar enough to Trump in that neither knows much about the economy or about how the world works. They think that they do but they don’t. B

    They’re both cult leaders, protest candidates, big time complainers, who both think that everything is rigged.

    I don’t love the word moderate, as the word implies fence-sitting and not taking a stand. I use the word myself, but I don’t like it.

    I think that we need a tough centrist, who wants to get stuff done.

    Guys like Sanders, Warren and Trump know how to complain and break things. We need someone with discipline who knows how to follow through and build things, including institutions.

  62. I like Mayor Pete, Charles. He’s definitely not as weird lefty with a ton of baggage as Sanders. If Pete won the nomination, he should pick Susana Martinez (Gov of New Mexico) as his running mate. Covers a lot of bases for the dem field.

    I think the dem nominee should be Klobuchar with Booker/Harris or Susana Martinez as VP.

  63. Have y’all seen the ads Bloomberg is running all over the midwest and south?
    They are seriously good.

    Look at this one.

  64. Warren always sounds like she’s about to wag a finger in your face and call the manager. She’s off-putting.

  65. Another strong Bloomberg ad.

    He’s paying real pro’s for these targeted ads.

  66. There’s something wrong with her.

    And she’s either a snitch or a liar ( what she pulled on Biden ) and I don’t like either.

  67. What about Klobuchar? She had a good result in New Hampshire. If Bloomgerg gets the gig at a brokered convention she should get the VP if she wants it.

  68. Bloomberg / Kobachar would be a seriously credible ticket.

    Bloomberg is the smartest guy in the room, any room. His success in business and in running a huge city was not by accident.

  69. Along with the fracking and the opening of land construction on the canadian pipelines and pipelines all over the country. Charles your gas is going to get cheaper and the states tax income is going to continue to rise because of all the extra refining.

    Fracking right now is booming economies in Pa and Oh. Areas that have been devastated over the last 50yrs by the slow death of coal and steel are growing with industry and jobs.

  70. I’ve been watching Trump’s tweets lately. He is pumping the stock market every chance he gets and bragging about its record highs. If it happens to turn down significantly in the next few months he will have a lot of egg on his fat face. Of course he’ll blame the Fed or the Chinese or Obama or Hillary, but it won’t be credible, except on Fox of course.

    He claimed that he was going to drain the swamp, but he’s been the most shameless Wall Street shill since Warren Harding. And he has appointed hundreds of ex-lobbyists to his government, the true swamp rats.

  71. Fracking right now is booming economies in Pa and Oh.

    Fracking may be booming in terms of output, but it ain’t making money for its investors. And its time is almost up. See my Fred Flinstone comment.

  72. Native people don’t want pipelines running through their land and they shouldn’t have the federal government dictate that they must accommodate private industry over their own vested interests. They frankly shouldn’t have to be involved in expensive lawsuits to prevent gas pipelines running through their land.

    Bloomberg/Klobucher would be a solid ticket, but I think the dems would boost turnout if they have a hispanic or black on the ticket.

  73. The stock market keeps going up and all the prudent investor types that I know can’t quite figure why.

    They’ll be happy to take the profits and appreciation but this is ” too good to be true ”

    The US still has problems, including debt without end, the world still has problems, everywhere. And except for some retail and real estate stocks, everything is linked now, so a problem in China or the EU is a problem for the US, even if all is great here, and it is not all great here.

  74. Did our taxes today, we have to send a check.

    I wonder how voters in high property tax states are going to be feeling about the Trump tax package over the next couple of months.

    Texas is a high property tax state. High sales taxes and tons of fees, too. None of which can be written off now. Also, the new tax rules classify college scholarships as taxable income for students.

  75. The Trump tax cut was a Trump tax increase for very many in the high income tax and/or high property tax states.

    Anyone who owns a house and who has a decent job in NY or CA got a federal tax hike.

    And on top of the federal tax hike, the state and city taxes keep going up.

    We have enemies at all levels of government.

  76. The US stock market is in the final stages of the longest bull market ever. It will melt up some more, but the reckoning cannot be delayed forever. Profits are being massaged by monopoly capitalism let rip along with crooked accounting, and the Trump tax cuts have been splurged on bonuses, share buy-backs and special dividends, just as intended. All supported by zero interest rates which Trump wants to drive even lower.

    The Chinese flu epidemic could be what bursts the baloon, who knows? It’s already causing serious economic disruption in China and that will have big economic repercussions everywhere, even if the epidemic is soon contained, which I suspect won’t happen. We may be about to experience a serious downside to our globalised world, the most serious yet.

  77. Anyone who owns a house and who has a decent job in NY or CA got a federal tax hike.

    Goes for Texans too.

  78. There is a sugar high to the corporations because their taxes did go down a lot, which pumps the stock market

    But the tax hikes to individuals who now have a capped state and local tax deduction, can only lead to a slowdown in economic activity at some point.

    It is a subject of concern in our local real estate market.

  79. Trump and his allies were happy to limit the state and local tax deduction, thinking that he was targeting places like NY, NJ and CA

    But lefty idiots like AOC actually support that SALT limitation

  80. It is a subject of concern in our local real estate market.

    Phantom

    Just out of interest, how much have house / apartment prices risen in your local market in the past year, and the past three years?

  81. I believe that the past year has seen a slight decrease, due to the Trump tax penalty and a large supply of new high rise residential condos in Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens.

    I think that over the past three years there was reasonable appreciation, nothing too crazy.

    But from say 1995 ( Rudy as mayor ) to present, many house / condo / co-ops went up five or six times.

    Co-ops are a kind of condo particular to NYC where you don’t own the unit, the entire apartment block is shared ownership and you need to be approved by a board of residents before you are allowed to buy in.

    Exceptional increases from say 1995 to 2005, again from 2014 to 2017.

    My immediate area is middle income, not as flashy as Manhattan, with lower highs and higher lows than those places.

  82. But from say 1995 ( Rudy as mayor ) to present, many house / condo / co-ops went up five or six times.

    And at a guess I would say that average local salaries have gone up maybe three times at best? So those property prices are being driven up by outsiders, some from the US but most from abroad, and mostly with dirty money. I know for a fact that this has happened in London and Dublin and Paris and Vancouver and Sydney. And NYC.

    This is globalisation in your face. And of course the “anti-globalist” Trump has made hundreds of millions from it, selling his condos to whatever Putin-cronie Russian would buy them, no questions asked, ever. Gimme the money Ivan!

  83. There is money laundering and purchases by the super rich in the posh areas of London and Manhattan- That’s one thing

    But prices have gone up and a lot in the rest of the city too. Russian oligarchs aren’t buying too many apartments in Bay Ridge or Staten Island.

    The factors here are different than the rest of the United States

    Many apartments have their rent controlled by the government, or With rent increases limited by the government. The apartments under rent control hardly ever get into the market because any tenant with such a sweet deal will never want to leave. This limits the normal supply of resold or re rented apartments.

    A lot of the newcomers to New York City are young professional types from all over the United States.

    A lot of the newcomers to my part of Brooklyn since the 1970s have been ethnic Chinese, Especially from Hong Kong. The entire family pools all their money together and buys a house that they live in. Other newcomers are from the Arab countries. Some are from Russia and from the former USSR. They too would tend to live in the house is that they buy, I would not think that much of that money comes from bad sources at all

  84. The most important objective in the upcoming election is to get rid of Trump. We do not yet know who the Democratic nominee will be. Michael Bloomberg has an untested strategy and is spending a ton of money. He did not get to be a billionaire by throwing money away. If that does not work out I would favor Amy Kolbuchar who is smart, ethical, sane and likable; just the opposite of Trump.

    Since 52 Republican senators acquitted Trump, he has been acting the dictator they made him. He acts above the law, corrupts our government, and lowers our esteem around the world. So far he has been lucky on the economy, but it is only luck. Michael Bloomberg knows the economy and what makes it work, if there is trouble he will know the best way to fix it. Trump has been spending like a drunken sailor and eventually that catches up with you. In sum, get rid of Trump, hope for Bloomberg and if not him Amy Kolbuchar.

  85. NYC is a megalopolis that in certain ways is stratified long term policies both good and bad has seen to that combined with being the financial capital of the west. It’s rich in culture, people and opportunity. That I don’t ever see changing.

    Fracking can’t peter out Peter they haven’t accessed 90& of the area where they know for certain are vast reserve of both oil and gas and as Daphne said locals fight pipelines. During the 8yrs of Obama all pipeline construction stopped if he didn’t cut funding or access the locals tied it up in court.

    In trumps first months he funded the pipelines, opened the access and removed the regulations so the locals can’t sue. Pa is being pipep from the great lakes to Marcus Hook. There building a processing plant for the LNG in the middle of the state and piping it to the refinery they’ve refitted in Marcus Hook while the ship yard is taking bids to refit ships for overseas transport of LNG.

    You want a quick turn on your buck try your luck at the track, but the profits of Fracking aren’t here yet the infrastructure had been held up for 8 years, it’s still going to take another 5-10 to hit…. then it will be a tidal wave.

    We’re about to enter into a 20yr boom Peter….. what’s your nations future economy based on. our is oil and natural gas. The world runs on fossil fuel….. ain’t it a bitch 😉

  86. The nanny mini mike hasn’t got a prayer in a national election NYr.

  87. There are a lot of short people in the US. They vote!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkMD8UzNAmI

  88. Oil and gas pipeline construction actually boomed in the Obama era.

    https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/america-has-built-the-equivalent-of-10-keystone-pipelines-since-2010-and-no-one-said-anything

    Which pipelines were funded by Trump / the federal government? I thought that they were privately financed

  89. I ask my Republican colleagues – what will you do to stop President Trump’s personal retribution tour?

    Sherrod Brown in committee

  90. Speaking of nice neighbours, Phantom, what do you think of this creep from Bay Ridge? 🙂

    https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/larry-ray-sarah-lawrence-students.html

  91. The GOP hates our public lands and want to exploit it for private profit at every turn.

    Public lands? Some kind of commie plot I think.

    I like Mayor Pete, Charles.

    Just reading up on him now Daphne. Very interesting guy.

  92. Mayor Pete is a very accomplished politician, but he is adept at hiding his rather radical agenda. Just because he is not preaching Marxist revolution like Bernie does not make him a moderate. From infanticide to open borders, from legalizing all drugs to open amnesty for illegals, the man has radical ideas behind his boyish looks.

  93. Lets hope the trickle of GOP prepared to stand up and be counted, becomes a stream
    Trump might learn from the demise of Julius Caesar
    Infamy, infamy they’ve all got it in-for-me
    clip

  94. charles hi
    I have a sneaky feeling open borders is a political football
    good for speeches, but the truth is that the USA economy prolly relies heavily on undocumented workers to pick fruit and so on .. So all is not what it seems.
    get same volatile language here in the UK on immigrants, depsite the stats saying they pay more in than take out esp re NHS.

    I can’t think of a fascist gov’t in history that doesn’t play this card.

    Remember the Cairo Daily 4000 years ago
    Too many Jews in Eygpt ?, better do something as when our enemies attack, the yids will turn fifth columnists .. Public Meeting at Pharoahs Bar, come and show your support

  95. I don’t think that Mayor Pete wants to legalize all drugs.

    Decriminalization is not the same thing as legalizing.( Though the decriminalizing stuff like life-destroying meth or heroin would be a radical position from long-standing US practice, not in the same universe of thought as legalizing marijuana, which a big majority of Americans now do support. )

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/war-on-drugs-is-america-ready-to-decriminalize-meth-and-heroin/

  96. Between jails and prisons, that would mean about 1.1 million convicted criminals released into American communities. They wouldn’t all be “non-violent drug offenders,” either – though Buttigieg is saying that as president he would decriminalize possession of all drugs, including meth and heroin.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mike-huckabee-pete-buttigieg-is-no-moderate-all-dem-presidential-candidates-embrace-radical-policies

  97. It sounds like what Mayor Pete is speaking of is a Portugal type decriminalization of drugs.

    Which would be a radical step, but which is the type of thing we should be talking about seriously.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal

  98. I watched that interview Bootyjudge was very careful to not say legalize, but “no one should go to jail for drug use” and that was asked specifically about meth and heroin….

    Phantom first thing I read this morning….. had to share it with you

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/munger-tells-newspaper-company-papers-195754744.html

  99. Hi Kurt, you;re right, the establishment, Republicans included, have looked the other way on illegal immigration for decades for cheap labor. It’s when the trickle became a flood that it became a problem, IMO.

  100. I saw that.

    Munger is one of the smartest investors in US and world history, one who should be listened to.

    But note that he speaks of exceptions to his grim prediction. People ( including maybe four here ) are willing to pay for the NY Times. They’re making money and they will continue to make money.

    “They’re all going to die,” Munger said Wednesday. “It’s a sad thing.” He named some exceptions, saying the New York Times and Wall Street Journal are likely to survive.

  101. Phantom, on February 13th, 2020 at 4:07 AM Said:
    Oil and gas pipeline construction actually boomed in the Obama era.

    https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/america-has-built-the-equivalent-of-10-keystone-pipelines-since-2010-and-no-one-said-anything

    Which pipelines were funded by Trump / the federal government? I thought that they were privately financed

    Phantom yes yes When the Messiah was President the Country had it’s greatest economic boom, more oil was drilled, more pipe was laid, more people were employed, more people bought homes, more people started businesses, and race relations were never better…..

    There will be someone from HR coming by shortly to have you pee in a cup…..

  102. Warren Buffett has been an incredibly successful investor, but Buffett has always worked with Charlie Munger has a revered full partner in developing all his strategies.

    Some small insights into his thought processes, highly recommended reading. Guys like him have lessons for those in all walks of life. To me it is amazing that Munger is not more well known.

    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/236437.Charles_T_Munger

  103. Mayor Pete…….

    News Flash….. Mayor Pete is Gay and Married to another Man.

    nothing else need be said.

  104. PVR

    I never voted for Obama.

    I am confronting disinformation with fact.

    You said under Obama that pipeline construction was halted. Completely untrue.

    According to the business press and the pipeline industry itself during the Obama era, major new oil and gas pipelines were built

    from Texas gulf coast all the way to Canada

    from western Canada / Dakotas to the US midwest

    And these connected with existing pipelines

    Obama did stall the construction of the XL pipeline. You managed not to get that one wrong.

  105. Phantom I know you didn’t vote for Obama, but son you praise his administration, you praise his policies, and you deny everything that he did wrong or got wrong.

  106. I here point out that your comment on oil and gas pipeline construction during the Obama era is 100% wrong.

    Obama allowed construction of a number of big pipelines, and took heat on it from environmental groups

    I don’t care what your opinions are, but how about trying to get at least some of the facts right?

    https://www.ecowatch.com/dakota-access-pipeline-mexico-2010316045.html

  107. Patrick, Mayor Pete being gay hasn’t seemed to hurt him so far with the electorate, but he hasn’t hit the South yet either. It will be interesting to see how he does in the South Carolina primary.

  108. Mayor Pete is a very accomplished politician, but he is adept at hiding his rather radical agenda.

    I don’t know if that’s the case at all Charles. I hadn’t heard of him until Daphne mentioned him earlier and a quick Google gives me a general representation of his views and although I haven’t read in depth on the face of it ‘ infanticide to open borders, from legalizing all drugs to open amnesty for illegals’ seems somewhat hyperbolic.

    News Flash….. Mayor Pete is Gay and Married to another Man.

    nothing else need be said

    Apart from the fact that it shows he loves someone of the same sex and believes in the Christian sacrament of marriage nothing else really can be said?

  109. It’s the elephant in the room Charles that will never be spoken about. His real problem is with the Black community.

    Phantom you were in a fantasy during the whole Obama administration about oil and you still are….

    here this is a good article to follow up Munger

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/02/27/can-journalism-be-saved/

  110. I see no evidence that he supports legalizing all drugs

    De-criminalizing is not the same thing at all

  111. Paul Bootyjudge being gay and married is the only reason he was given backing by his party. He’s the Mayor of a failed city that no one ever heard of until now. He was put up to run because he’s a married gay vet.

    Then when he first got into the race when asked about being gay he LECTURED CHRISTIANS. The country is not going to support him. You still can’t get a consensus on gay marriage, but we’re going to elect a married gay man….. It won’t be discussed but it makes him unelectable nationally.

    and I don’t want to hear I’m being homophobic, my one daughter is gay and I will gladly walk her down the aisle.

  112. Pat, you elected a married, twice divorced pussy grabbing serial whoremonger.

    What’s so big about electing a married gay man?

  113. Phantom, to me de-criminalizing and legalizing is splitting hairs, but I accept your point.

    Patrick, I think you’re right about Pete being gay and married and un-electable. A majority of blacks won’t accept it. But not just that. He turned off 21 million pro-life Democrats with his answer at that town hall to that woman. He’s not moderate, he’s radical.

  114. Aren’t all the leading Dems big time raving abortion admirers ?

    How is Mayor Pete different than say Amy or Mayor Mike?

  115. Phantom,

    Bernie has come out and plainly said that to be a Democrat you must be pro-abortion, which now means up to the moment of birth. Only 18% of Americans agree with this. It begs the question. How many of these 21 million pro-life Dems vote Republican or just sit out the election.

    To answer your question I think all Dem candidates are pro-abortion, but I can’t say if all go up to the 9 month mark.

  116. What’s so big about electing a married gay man?

    I could care less…. but Nationally it won’t fly.

  117. From what I can see he seems to have more respect for the institution of marriage than the present incumbent.

  118. Paul

    I’m sure in Europe a gay politician would not raise an eyebrow, but here in the South people still go to Church and read their Bibles. Marriage is between one man and one woman the churches say. The United Methodist Church just split up over the issue of gay marriage a month ago. The idea that the President of the United States is a man that has a husband is a visual that won’t play well down here. I’m predicting that Mayor Pete will do poorly in South Carolina, do well in Nevada, and poorly Super Tuesday.

  119. Charles

    You may find this of interest

    Again, I find a universe of difference between heroin and meth ( never good to use ) and marijuana which I see as more benign than alcohol, no matter what Pete says

    https://www.cannalawblog.com/marijuana-decriminalization-versus-legalization-cause-it-matters/

  120. Charles, that’s precisely why I’m carping on at the POTUS disdain for the sacrement of marriage.

    It seems to me somewhat of an illogicality that those good Christain people can go to church and read their bibles rejecting the notion of same sex marriage yet have no problem electing a serial philanderer.

  121. O/T. Phantom, I found this interesting:

    New York’s real Little Italy:

    http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200211-where-to-go-for-real-italian-food-in-new-york

    Are you aware of it?

  122. Yes I am aware of Arthur Avenue but have never been there!

    Those who I know who have been there speak of very good restaurants

    Very few Italians live in historic Little Italy in Manhattan now. They all took the train to the suburbs decades ago. Its really a Chinese neighborhood now.

  123. Phantom

    That was an interesting article on the big difference between decriminalization and legalization of drugs. With the the former, the crooks keep the cash, but with the later, the state keeps the taxes.

  124. I believe that when Portugal decriminalized, the rate of drug use did not go up at all

    I would think that if you legalized, the same would be true ( why would it not be )

    So maybe there is a case for full legalization. You de-fund all the mafias/gangs, and you control stuff better

    Devote 100% of the drugs taxes to drugs education and to quality rehab programs.

  125. The suffering addict has been the area of my life where I have chosen to pay my penance. I believe that as a Christian I have to actually help my fellow man. That is part of how my faith was taught to me only it’s not what you say it’s what you actually do that counts in the eyes of god.

    Legal or illegal those that are going to do drugs destructively are going to use them destructively. Addiction is a symptom of something else but it’s a cancer that eats it victims long before they ever find out the root of what caused their death spiral.

    Legalizing all drugs would cut the violence in every city. Over 80% of all crime is drug related in one form or another.

    With all that being said the Idea of Legalizing Meth and Heroine is absolutely insane.

    Does that legalization come with a corner store opium den with clean needles and pipes, and is there one on the corner of Bootyjudge’s mother’s street….. or just my mothers street ?

  126. With all that being said the Idea of Legalizing Meth and Heroine is absolutely insane.

    I agree. but to be fair to mayor Pete, I think he said decriminalize, which to my mind is bad enough.

  127. Study Portugal.

  128. he said no jail time he spoke politicianese……

  129. See what I mean about the guy? I can’t pin him down. I don’t think he even casts a shadow! 🙂

  130. Patrick – were you in The Commitments?

    Phantom – never on Arthur Avenue? It is fantastic.

  131. Yes, bad show on my part.

    The only places in the Bronx I’ve been to in recent years is Woodlawn and Yankee Stadium.

    But this year – Arthur Avenue is a must. Always wanted to go.

  132. I’ve switched jobs so you might not have my email. I’ll try to reach out this spring and maybe we can have a summit among the Italians.

  133. Roger that.

  134. Since 52 Republican senators acquitted Trump, he has been acting the dictator they made him. He acts above the law, corrupts our government, and lowers our esteem around the world. So far he has been lucky on the economy, but it is only luck. Michael Bloomberg knows the economy and what makes it work, if there is trouble he will know the best way to fix it. Trump has been spending like a drunken sailor and eventually that catches up with you. In sum, get rid of Trump, hope for Bloomberg and if not him Amy Kolbuchar.

    Well said NY.

  135. We’re about to enter into a 20yr boom Peter…

    LOL

    Fred Flinstone and Barney Rubble said this just as iron ore was being discovered. Their quarry went bust a couple of years later and Fred and Barney went to work for the iron smelters.

  136. hope for Bloomberg

    I’ve always said that hope is a piss poor plan. The only hope that Bloomberg has is a brokered convention where the super delegates come in an undemocraticly throw out Bernie. Then there will be riot in the streets a la 1972. He will lose to Trump anyway. Sorry!

  137. If Bloomberg gets the Dem gig, be in no doubt that Trump will play the anti-semitism card big time, as Patrick has already hinted. Expect to see helpful “documentaries” on Fox investigating Bloomberg’s “East European” roots.

  138. Peter, I strongly disagree. Parts of Trump’s family and his grandkids are Jewish. I just don’t see that.

  139. I don’t think that Fox would play anti-Jewish stuff, and I don’t think that Trump would play that card I agree with Charles

  140. A candidate Bloomberg would win every state that Hillary Clinton won

    I think that he would win Pennsylvania quite easily

    And that he would very possibly win Ohio

    And if he won those two new states he’d be there

    Hillary should not have lost Pennsylvania; she ran a lazy and incompetent campaign. Mike would not make that mistake

  141. Mike has a problem with coal if I remember. Penn. could be close. Also Hillary won Minnesota by just 2 points I think, and Trump is looking to flip it.

    Bloomberg seems to think he can campaign from 2000 miles away on Super Tuesday and let ads do the walking for him. I don’t know if that strategy is going to work.

  142. Coal is a complete bullshit issue. Trump deceived those workers, gave them false hope of a coal comeback

    Coal is a small and still declining part of the Pennsylvania economy

    National US coal production has only gone up a small bit since Trump has been elected and remains well below most of the Obama years

    I can’t find the Pennsylvania coal production numbers by year but I can’t imagine that those are much different than the national coal production

  143. here ya go Charles

    QUICK FACTS

    Pennsylvania’s marketed natural gas production, primarily from the Marcellus Shale, reached 6.2 trillion cubic feet in 2018, making the state the nation’s second-largest natural gas producer after Texas.

    Pennsylvania was the third-largest coal-producing state in the nation in 2017, and it was the second-largest coal exporter to foreign markets.

    In 2018, Pennsylvania ranked second in the nation in electricity generation from nuclear power, which supplied 39% of the state’s net generation.

    About half of Pennsylvania households use natural gas as their primary home heating fuel, and its 49 underground gas storage sites–the most for any state–are key for helping to meet heating demand in the winter.

    From 2010 to 2018, Pennsylvania’s share of electricity generated from natural gas more than doubled to 36%, while the share from coal fell by more than half to 21%.
    Last Updated: August 15, 2019

  144. Coal rightnow is Pa’s number one export followed by Drugs second and Liquid gas third.

    https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/state/data/pa.html

  145. So when you say Pennsylvania Coal is dead…… ya really show how much of a clue you lack.

  146. no ones here…… I’ll just pick on phantom….

    yo….. Coal is a small and still declining part of the Pennsylvania economy

    it’s the states number one foreign export….. over 2 and half Billion dollars worth it beat pharmaceuticals and lng…. but coal means nothing to pennsylvania….. now it is declining and did so by 8%, but LNG increased by over 140% came in third in our exports and the lines and refineries aren’t complete….

    Don’t kid yourself Coal is still king, but his stinky nephew LNG will soon dethrone him. It already has in internal usage. Exports is coming next and the nice thing even as lng increases coal will stay in our top 3 exports because of the asian market.

  147. It is a small and declining history for the state. It is important in a few areas

    $2.5 billion is not a lot

    That industry has not been revived, no one in that sector will say otherwise

    Yes natural gas is a fast rising star

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