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THEY HAVE TO GO BACK

By Pete Moore On February 13th, 2020

Three men (sic) have been jailed for sexually abusing a schoolgirl in Oxford following an investigation into child sexual exploitation.

Naim Khan, 41, Mohammed Nazir, 44, and Raheem Ahmed, 42, were found guilty of 35 offences against the girl when she was aged between 13 and 15.

Immigration from primitive cultures is a catastrophe. We can make it better, but the disastrous social policies of the last sixty years have to be reversed. What is done can be undone.

50 Responses to “THEY HAVE TO GO BACK”

  1. Is there any one connecting fact or commonality these perps share? MR’s Khan , Muhammed and the other one?

  2. Nasty and appalling g as it is , they have been sentenced , its a result
    many thousands never get this far , as always petem you’re going outside the box
    Its right in front of you – the law is taking its course .
    Rest

  3. Yes, get rid of them. Then, after that, try getting rid of a culture where 13-yr-old girls give sex in return for alcohol and drugs.

  4. Three men (sic) have been jailed for sexually abusing a schoolgirl in Oxford following an investigation into child sexual exploitation.

    Naim Khan, 41, Mohammed Nazir, 44, and Raheem Ahmed, 42, were found guilty of 35 offences against the girl when she was aged between 13 and 15.

    Is it just me, or is there a distinct pattern on here?

  5. *going on here?

  6. Then, after that, try getting rid of a culture where 13-yr-old girls give sex in return for alcohol and drugs.

    Yeah, I mean its not like those children were coerced or anything was it?

  7. Victim blaming…you and Weinstein. Not terribly nice is it.

  8. Noel
    Where is “back” if they’ve got British Passports ?

  9. You think more clearly when you don’t see this as race issue . It’s criminal whoever engages in this disgusting perversion .
    These sentences are some of the harshest . More than for murder . So clearly the courts are taking this seriously.
    Petem you keep snatching defeat from the jaws if victory . That is psychotic same as Harri.
    Be glad for justice for families these men are going down for a long time . May the punishment act as deterrent .
    Obv if they didn’t have passports UK then it’s first plane home .
    We know this and so don’t need to keep going round in circles do we ?

  10. A huge percentage of these monstrous pedophiles are of “Pakistani/Bangladeshi” origin.

    Revoke their British passports and send them back to the shit-holes they originated from.

    It was good enough for Sharmeena Begum, it is good enough for these child rapists.

  11. The notorious leader of a sex gang has been released from prison 17 years early. Mubarek Ali, who was one of two ringleaders of the gang in Telford, is just five years into his 22-year prison sentence for his horrific crimes. The sexual grooming gang had preyed on girls as young as 13 for at least two years, who had confided in youth workers about the abuse.

    Ali, 34, was then captured as part of a police investigation called Operation Chalice in 2013, and was jailed for 22 years. However, he is now reportedly set to be released on licence as early as November.

    Telford MP Lucy Allen said that Ali’s release was ‘wrong’, and could lead to him rejoining the community where his victims continue to live.

    Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2017/07/30/ringleader-of-child-sex-gang-to-be-released-from-prison-17-years-early-6816188/?ito=cbshare

  12. Harri have you any idea of the legal process required to revoke citizenship . It would take years in the courts and prolly then fail .
    Began girl was different she was out of the country.
    P.S they’ve been jailed you don’t seem to grasp that . You talk as if they’ve been let off or have had a slap on the wrist .
    Punishment us a balance between retribution and deterrence. If poss rehabilitation .

  13. P.S they’ve been jailed you don’t seem to grasp that . You talk as if they’ve been let off or have had a slap on the wrist

    The notorious leader of a sex gang has been released from prison 17 years early. Mubarek Ali, who was one of two ringleaders of the gang in Telford, is just five years into his 22-year prison sentence for his horrific crimes. The sexual grooming gang had preyed on girls as young as 13 for at least two years, who had confided in youth workers about the abuse.

    Ali, 34, was then captured as part of a police investigation called Operation Chalice in 2013, and was jailed for 22 years. However, he is now reportedly set to be released on licence as early as November.

    Telford MP Lucy Allen said that Ali’s release was ‘wrong’, and could lead to him rejoining the community where his victims continue to live.

    Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2017/07/30/ringleader-of-child-sex-gang-to-be-released-from-prison-17-years-early-6816188/?ito=cbshare

  14. Clearly there is something wrong with the system of early release . You don’t say !
    There is a disconnect between what is happening on the court room at sentence then what is happening in prison system with appeals etc. Needs immediate attention just like early release of the jihad lot

  15. Pete.

    When you say; ‘they have to go back’, do you just mean the ones who have committed these horrible crimes, or do you mean everybody you can’t trace their origins back to Anglo-Saxon ancestry?

  16. The notorious leader of a sex gang has been released from prison 17 years early. Mubarek Ali, who was one of two ringleaders of the gang in Telford, is just five years into his 22-year prison sentence for his horrific crimes. The sexual grooming gang had preyed on girls as young as 13 for at least two years, who had confided in youth workers about the abuse.

    Our legal system is a f****** joke.

  17. Telford MP Lucy Allen said that Ali’s release was ‘wrong’, and could lead to him rejoining the community where his victims continue to live.

    Which he duly did.

    The Police didn’t go to all the bother of informing any of the victims.

  18. There are a number of issues at play here, first of all the very obvious one of the prominence of southern Asian men in these grooming gangs. IMO the only thing that can be done with these perverts is to hand them the absolute maximum punishment permitted under law and anyone within statutory agencies who turned a blind eye to or otherwise enabled these abberations should be prosecuted to the fullest extent too.

    Secondly to ‘send them back’ If these people are born in Britain and are British citizens where are they supposedly sent back to? If they were born in Britain but have dual British / Pakistanki / Bangladeshi etc citizenship and Britain strips them of their citizenship in order to expell them what’s to stop the other country doing the same thus rendering them stateless?

    Thirdly, what is never talked about is the situations these vulnerable exploited girls are in. They are inevitably in the care system and their ‘parents’ must also accept a portion of the blame for putting children in a position where they are vulnerable to exploitation, The sadness of the potential for this to be repeated can be read in the victim’s own comments:

    “I cannot form loving or lasting relationships with men. I have not been able to care for my children as a mother should be able to.”

    To deal with her trauma, she had become addicted to crack cocaine and used other drugs, she added

    As one of the roots of the problem this issue also needs to be addressed as a matter of priority.

    One of the curious things that I have found about these grooming gangs is that while there are considerable southern Asian populations in both Scotland & Wales this, as far as I can see, seems to be a uniquely English problem?

  19. Fair points Paul.

    One of the curious things that I have found about these grooming gangs is that while there are considerable southern Asian populations in both Scotland & Wales this, as far as I can see, seems to be a uniquely English problem?

    Asian populations in both Scotland and Wales are vastly smaller than the ones in England and English cities, such as Bradford and Birmingham. So it’s understandable it would be or cases in England. And there have been cases of grooming gangs in Scotland and Wales, albeit to a much lesser extent.

    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5215881/police-scotland-glasgow-grooming-gang-secret/

  20. “ Asian “ here remains a lazy euphemism

    It avoids any use of the term “ Muslim “

    I don’t think that these incidents involve Hindus. Please correct me if I am wrong

    There are sizable numbers of Muslim Pakistani background people in NY / NJ / CA and I’ve not heard of such incidents here

    They do not respect you any more than they respect the British police who were feckless, utterly derelict in their duties when it most mattered

  21. //Where is “back” if they’ve got British Passports ?//

    It depends on when they got them.

    If they are British by birth, then of course nothing can be done except harsh jail terms such that they’d regret that birth.

    If they are naturalised Brits, then something can be done. Naturalisation must IMO always be on a probation basis – if you break the law of the land or generally disrespect its people and traditions, then the mistake is recognised, your citizenship is revoked and out you go.

    If they are not British, then they should also be shown the door after serving a tough sentence.
    And while the UK is no longer in the EU, it would be nice to think that even now something can be done to prevent these jerks ever setting foot in any European country again.

    //Victim blaming…you and Weinstein. //

    I wasn’t blaming the girls. I mentioned “culture”, but should perhaps have said “society”.
    That they – including 13-yr-olds – supplied sex in return for alcohol and sex is mentioned in the court record. The groomers and abusers are the biggest part of the problem, but another part is a society that somehow lets young girls fall so far that they get involved with these wretches.

    Coincidentally, I read this morning that almost 40% of girls aged 15 in Britain are sexually experienced (based on self reports). This is the highest in all the countries surveyed. By comparison, the figure in Croatia was only 8 pc, 10 pc in Austria etc.
    Most of us probably dreamed of a fiddle with girls when we were 15, I’m sure. But I suspect this general availability is not unrelated to the kind of situation where the girls were drawn into this moral ditch.

  22. another part is a society that somehow lets young girls fall so far that they get involved with these wretches.

    Correct.

  23. meant to write:

    supplied sex in return for alcohol and drugs

  24. Noel, on February 14th, 2020 at 2:05 PM Said:
    meant to write:
    supplied sex in return for alcohol and drugs

    And under torture.

    Those silly little white girls..

    As a Rotherham grooming gang survivor, I want people to know about the religious extremism which inspired my abusers
    Grooming gangs are not like paedophile rings; instead, they operate almost exactly like terrorist networks, with all the same strategies

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

  25. I’m a Rotherham grooming gang survivor. I call myself a survivor because I’m still alive. I’m part of the UK’s largest ever child sexual abuse investigation.

    As a teenager, I was taken to various houses and flats above takeaways in the north of England, to be beaten, tortured and raped over 100 times. I was called a “white slag” and “white c***” as they beat me.

    They made it clear that because I was a non-Muslim, and not a virgin, and because I didn’t dress “modestly”, that they believed I deserved to be “punished”. They said I had to “obey” or be beaten.

    Fear of being killed, and threats to my parents’ lives, made it impossible for me to escape for about a year. The police didn’t help me.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-a8261831.html

    If this child victim of Paki mass gang rape is trying to harbour any understanding, empathy or sympathy from any liberals, then she has made another terrible mistake, she is sorely mistaken.

    Liberals value self- righteous virtue signalling points scoring more than she could ever imagine.

  26. Noel

    //That they – including 13-yr-olds – supplied sex in return for alcohol and sex is mentioned in the court record.//

    That was a large part of the technique used by the abusers to get these girls to do what they wanted. But it wasn’t the only one. Some of these girls are also threatened, or their family’s threatened with violence if they didn’t comply. Some were loaned money and then made to perform sex acts to pay it back. In many cases these girls had their drink spiked with drugs, and were raped while unconscious.
    Many of these girls never came to these abuses, the abusers sought them out and manipulated them knowing that are useless police and social services would do nothing because they were working class girls, many from deprived backgrounds.

  27. Noel,

    supplied sex in return for alcohol and drugs

    I can’t help getting the feeling that you’re trying to put some of the blame on the victims here Noel.

  28. He can speak for himself, but I think that he is being critical of a society that allowed the victims to get so lost that they were easy prey.

    Where were the parents? Brothers?

    Some of them acted after the fact, when it was already very late.

  29. Ah, it’s simply a cultural thing..

    And they were only little white girls after all.

    Liberals are more than prepared to sacrifice little white children upon their altar of diversity & multiculturalism.

  30. Where were the parents? Brothers?

    They were in large from care homes.

    They didn’t have any parents.

    Just the politically correct state to care for them.

    And they are so scared shitless of being shouted down and wailed at by Liberals as being racist, they have become scared of their own shadows when it comes to Muslims.

    Suffer little children. The liberals know better.

  31. Let’s put this into context..

    If it was thousands of little Muslim children being tortured, abused, pimped out, and gang raped by gangs of old white men, the tremors of liberal outrage would be felt from Germany to Great Britain.

  32. //I can’t help getting the feeling that you’re trying to put some of the blame on the victims here Noel.//

    A certain small amount of the blame is on them, Dave. Recently, two 14-yr-olds were sentenced for murder in Ireland, one to life imprisonment. People of that age do have a sense of right and wrong and society recognises that.

    The men were the vilest criminals who exploited and abused young girls; but the girls themselves also allowed themselves get involved with these creeps in the first place. They went voluntarily and repeatedly to these abuse venues. They obviously didn’t want the sex, but if seems it was a price they were at the time willing to pay for the booze and drugs, and probably a certain, very misguided, need for acceptance. (at least they mentioned somethign like that)

    But my point was aimed at the girls’ environment – the people around them, their parents, schoolteachers, welfare workers, other adults who may not have known the girls but must have been aware of what was going on in those houses, their “friends”, etc.

    I don’t know how much of the “live and let live” culture contributes to this kind of thing, but I think the point’s worth considering.

  33. I had heard of at least one incident where a father went to the police only to be told to get lost by the constable.

    Again, the police and others should be prosecuted for what they did.

    It was intentional bad action, not any negligence, not a mistake.

  34. Again, the police and others should be prosecuted for what they did.

    But they won’t be.

    Who runs all these institutions?

    What is the common denominator?

    The clue is in “common”

    But remember, this organisation doesn’t exist…apparently.

  35. Phantom

    How many more times?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/a5SH9zSjcBUAk65V9

  36. Noel.
    //The men were the vilest criminals who exploited and abused young girls; but the girls themselves also allowed themselves get involved with these creeps in the first place. They went voluntarily and repeatedly to these abuse venues. They obviously didn’t want the sex, but if seems it was a price they were at the time willing to pay for the booze and drugs, and probably a certain, very misguided, need for acceptance. (at least they mentioned somethign like that)//

    Did you not read the posts and links that myself and Harri have just put up?
    While this is true in some of the cases, it’s not true for most of them.
    I think you maybe should do some more unbiased reading about these atrocious crimes Noel, and not just take the word of the biased police and social services who tried to verify these girls.
    I think you’ll find when you read many of the reports that grooming, threats of violence, intimidation and humiliation were the main techniques used on the vast majority of these girls, not alcohol and drugs. Of course the police, council and social services turning a blind eye helped tremendously.

  37. Perhaps liberals could explain?

    Exactly what part of this “cartoon” is not true?

    Given the evidence so far in this all so wonderful liberal progressive PC Virtue signalling Great Britain?

    Nope…thought not.

  38. Noel makes a good point some of this is clearly transactional .they weren’t house slaves . Nonetheless it’s grooming and the acts were evil

  39. Noel makes a good point some of this is clearly transactional .they weren’t house slaves . Nonetheless it’s grooming and the acts were evil

  40. Phantom,

    He can speak for himself, but I think that he is being critical of a society that allowed the victims to get so lost that they were easy prey.

    A certain small amount of the blame is on them, Dave.

  41. Remember that they are children. Their judgements are not fully formed yet.

  42. A large percentage of these child rapists of Pakistani/Bangladesh origin, I’m pretty sure as storage in their thinking as they are, and no matter how much they hold little white non-Muslim girls in utter contempt and lower than dogs. Must realise their visas do not include a clause to allow them to abuse, pimp out, torture, and gang rape at will, without consequences?

    I understand old white liberal progressives don’t give a fuck, but very fortunately slowly but surely they are hopefully a dying breed.

    For the sake of our children.

  43. Anyway..

    Harri, on February 14th, 2020 at 3:07 PM Said:
    Perhaps liberals could explain?
    Exactly what part of this “cartoon” is not true?
    Given the evidence so far in this all so wonderful liberal progressive PC Virtue signalling Great Britain?
    Nope…thought not.

    it’s not satirical.

    It’s actually true.

    Well done liberals.

    Give yourself a generous pat on the back.

  44. //Remember that they are children. Their judgements are not fully formed yet.//

    Charles, you wolly liberal, you. The two 14-yr-old bastards in Dublin who murdered a young girl.. you’d argue that they were mere children and their judgement not fully formed.

    Honestly, these liberals! It’s enough to send Harri apoplectic.

    //Did you not read the posts and links that myself and Harri have just put up?//

    No. I did read Pete’s link and what the judge said at the trial, which is what I based my reaction on (apart from life experience).

    // I think you maybe should do some more unbiased reading about these atrocious crimes Noel, and not just take the word of the biased police and social services who tried to verify these girls.//

    I do. I even read the book one of the Oxford victims wrote about the years of abuse. But that’s probably also not unbiased.

    Her story said – and this should be obvious to anyone with common sense – that the girls lived in a world outside normal society. They were wild, daring and experimental. Drugs and sex just weren’t such a big deal for them as they are for others. She talks, for example, of going away once for a night that ended in sex with a gang. It was Halloween “and that only added to the fun” of the occasion. There is no moment of disgust when she’s first confronted with the sleezy reality of the grooming gangs. On the contrary, she remarks repeatedly that none of the experiences were strange for her at the time.

    This is not to take away the smallest bit of blame from the perpetrators. They are as guilty as if they raped a young nun. But the girls, and more importantly the society around them, are also at fault. You can’t divide situations like that into guilty and innocent, criminal and victim. Sometimes the victims are also guilty to some extent: not in any way of the crime, but guilty of a totally different failure.

  45. “The two 14-yr-old bastards in Dublin who murdered a young girl.. you’d argue that they were mere children and their judgement not fully formed.”

    Pretty sure I did make that argument. Twas not will received.

  46. *well received

  47. Seamus, I see what you mean, mate!

  48. Cheers Charles.

    Even science is starting to prove some of those long held but recently discarded principles right, such as doli incapax.

    https://www.thejusticegap.com/neuroscience-and-the-age-of-criminal-responsibility/

  49. Secondly to ‘send them back’ If these people are born in Britain and are British citizens where are they supposedly sent back to?

    Back to Pakistan. A paki is a paki is a paki, and always shall be:

    https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/10301275/amir-khan-keen-to-represent-pakistan-at-olympic-games-in-rio

    Khan subsequently turned professional and in 2009 outpointed Andriy Kotelnik to win the WBA world super-lightweight title.

    The 29-year-old – whose most recent fight ended in a brutal knockout defeat to WBC middleweight champion Saúl Álvarez – hailed the ruling by boxing’s governing body.

    “It’s a decision which I welcome,” Khan said at a press conference in Karachi.

    Khan represented Great Britain at the 2004 Olympics in Greece

    “It will help boxers and if I am permitted as per rules and from my promoter then I would love to compete for Pakistan. I will be very happy if I can compete in the Olympics. I want to serve Pakistan.”

    Khan’s father, Shah, hails from a village close to the capital Islamabad but migrated to Britain, where Amir was born in 1986.

    Amir Khan, born in Britain in 1986 and who represented great Britain at the 2004 Olympics says “I want to serve Pakistan”.

  50. Seamus,

    Even science is starting to prove some of those long held but recently discarded principles right, such as doli incapax

    Absolutely mate. It’s been shown with evidence that the younger your mind is, the more you can be influenced by those around you. You’re more susceptible to suggestion.
    Young people tend to take more risks and have a more ‘flexable’ sense of right and wrong.