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Weak End at Bernie’s?

By Mahons On February 23rd, 2020

Is Bernie Sanders the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party? He has done well in the wacky early contests of Iowa, New Hampshire and now Nevada. How will that play out in the more populous and diverse states coming up?
If you are a Democrat of the please not Bernie crowd, your options are limited. Every single alternative from Bloomberg to Biden, from Once in Love with Amy to Mayor Pete, to Speaks With Forked Tongue has, lets face it, issues. And those issues are disconcerting for Democrats, never mind moderates and Republicans.
Is another unlosable election wave going to crash on the rocky shore of the Trump Error? Will the Democrats find themselves at the weak end with Bernie?

63 Responses to “Weak End at Bernie’s?”

  1. I wouldn’t say he is the presumptive nominee. He is firmly the front runner but as things stand will still likely fall short the majority of delegates needed. He is currently polling at around 25%. But Biden, Bloomberg and Buttigieg are collectively polling at around 40%. As they start to drop out and coalesce around a single candidate then that person will still be able to challenge Bernie. I’d say he is the front runner, and the longer that 2 of the 3 centrists stay in the race then the better his chances. But if 2 of them drop out after South Carolina (or at very worst Super Tuesday) then there is a chance that the moderate candidate gets some momentum going.

  2. We should have more errors like Trump….. look around you a booming economy, full employment, and a rebuilt military, do you believe we would have those things if Clinton had one and continued Obama’s “those jobs are gone forever” policies ?

    Super Tuesday is 9 days away Sanders has 26 delegates, Pete has 22, and Biden has 6. Super Tuesday there are 1,357 delegates up for grabs no SC has 54 before that in SC but California has 415…. which Bernie will win the Bulk of.

    After that Tuesday 60% of the delegates will be assigned to a candidate and the Leader should be the nominee UNLESS the DNC tells the “Super Delegates” to over ride the peoples vote.

    I’m not sure which will be more fun watching the Democrats run a Communist or watching the party self destruct as it steals the nomination from him.

  3. “We should have more errors like Trump….. look around you a booming economy, full employment, and a rebuilt military, do you believe we would have those things if Clinton had one and continued Obama’s “those jobs are gone forever” policies ?”

    The economy was booming when Obama left office. Trump, to his credit, hasn’t tinkered too much with Obama’s booming economy.

  4. The Economy for the people under Obama was a depression Seamus. You can buy the spin, but the millions of Americans that were thrown onto welfare, foodstamps, and lost their homes and businesses more than the Great Depression would beg to differ.

  5. “The Economy for the people under Obama was a depression Seamus. You can buy the spin, but the millions of Americans that were thrown onto welfare, foodstamps, and lost their homes and businesses more than the Great Depression would beg to differ.”

    Obama inherited the Republican caused depression. He then fixed it. By the time he left office the economy was booming. Trump inherited a booming economy, and to his credit hasn’t tinkered with it too much.

  6. There was a near depression in and around 2008 2009 that was caused by bad market conduct by the major banks and Wall Street , Patrick remains blissfully unaware of this.

    Under bush and Obama, there were market interventions that saved the system. Interventions that Patrick and Pete opposed, because Of theIr misunderstandings of Economics and of the situation that we were in. Better to lose the auto industry, if it would make Ron Paul happy.

    Under Obama, the economic and employment recovery Started in 2009, It steadily continued to improve through 2016, and has continued to this day.

    None of these are arguable points By any serious person. The numbers show all of it

    The economy has improved. Huge problems remain.The national debt has become worse. Many workers live paycheck to paycheck, as they did before Obama. Many Americans have no healthcare, which is how the Republicans like it

  7. The Depression was caused by Bernie Franks and Obama didn’t fix shit. The Trump Tax and Regulatory cuts reversed his 8yrs in less than 2.

    Like I said Seamus you enjoy your spin because that’s all it is.

  8. “The Depression was caused by Bernie Franks and Obama didn’t fix shit. The Trump Tax and Regulatory cuts reversed his 8yrs in less than 2.”

    The economy was booming before Trump got anywhere near that. There is no single statistic that was going in positive numbers in 2017 that wasn’t also going in positive numbers in 2016.

  9. Right now, it looks like the Democrats will head into the convention with the clear winner

    After a very divisive convention, look for a candidate other than Bernie Sanders to be the nominee

    The Bernie Bro’s Will be embittered, some will stay home

    All of this will benefit Trump tremendously

    Biden and Pete Should get out of the race soon for the good of the country. A Mike / Amy Or vice versa ticket could do very well against the reality TV star.

  10. Well while you two drones bow to Obama…. he’s gone along with the bad economy.

    So you can live in your fantasy and keep living in it as the democrats either put forth a communist or rip themselves apart when they steal it from him….

    Either way your Obama phantasy worship means nothing.

  11. “Well while you two drones bow to Obama…. he’s gone along with the bad economy.”

    Name a single statistic, or metric, that was growing in 2017 that wasn’t growing in 2016.

    “After a very divisive convention, look for a candidate other than Bernie Sanders to be the nominee”

    It depends on how long the other centrist candidates stay in the race. If Bernie wins virtually every primary, even if he doesn’t take a majority of delegates, it is hard to deny him the nomination. And as long as the centrists are split 3 ways then he can win every state.

  12. Bernie Sanders would get destroyed By Trump in a general election

    He makes Donald Trump look like a statesman

    He has more baggage than all the redcaps at New York Penn station

    He has earned nothing . No one has earned the right to destroy their party and ultimately to destroy the country

  13. I’m not sure he would get destroyed by Trump. Ultimately he taps into a lot of the same underlying anger in communities that Trump did in 2016. He also has something that Trump doesn’t have for those communities – a healthcare plan. Now it can be debated till we are blue in the face whether or not the Medicare-for-all plan will work. But it is a plan. And healthcare remains a major issue with Obama-Trump voters.

  14. Medicare for all is a terrible plan, It’s not thought out at all, It includes full medical coverage for all the illegal aliens, an issue that Trump will drive a tractor trailer through

    the numbers don’t work at all, It would be a reduction in coverage for significant numbers of people

    Bernie is a complainer and whiner Just like Trump is a complainer and whiner, And their strongest supporters are complainers and whiners, As we see here every day

    Bernie Sanders isn’t even a proper Democrat. His supporters should be treated with respect, he personally should not be treated with any particular respect. F*** him and his Sandinista fantasies

    He is Donald Trump’s ace in the hole. Even yesterday, Trump was telling Bernie, don’t let the Democrats take this nomination away from you.

  15. The Mario Cuomo quote comes to mind – you campaign in poetry, but you govern in prose. A truly terrible idea (in prose) can be a fantastic idea (in poetry). So, campaign wise, winning wise, it doesn’t matter if medicare-for-all is terrible. Because it is better than anything Trump has.

  16. Trump is completely disgusting

    His program Is to take away healthcare coverage from people Who have it, To whittle away at protection for those with pre-existing conditions

  17. As you know, I’m a republican who is disappointed in the party over their lack of healthcare legislation. Not that they’d be able to pass it in the House anyway. But I’m not going to vote for a communist to blow up the system.

    And Trump an error? LOL, we should have such errors!

  18. As you know, I’m a republican who is disappointed in the party over their lack of healthcare legislation. Not that they’d be able to pass it in the House anyway. But I’m not going to vote for a communist to blow up the system.

    And Trump an error? LOL, we should have such errors!

  19. Healthcare is the countries number one problem, and your guy is 100% part of the problem

    He said that he would support a plan that covered everybody at less cost; Charles where is that plan

  20. Phantom, as I said, I’m disappointed on that front. But I’m also glad that we’re not in a war and the markets are up. Over all I’m happy with Trump. Maybe if the Dems would work with him instead of the impeachment thing, Trump would look at health care.

  21. He doesn’t want to work with them

    Have you listened to any one of his hate rallies?

    He has never seriously reached out

    The same exact criticism that you correctly make of the Democrats is one that could be made of him

  22. He publicly supported Mitch McConnell and not considering the supreme court nomination of Merrick garland

    Even before he won the election, he was practicing a policy of strict non-cooperation with the other party

  23. Actually, to be honest, I think the only way forward is to take back the House and freeze out the Dems. Because when a Democrat says cooperate, they really mean capitulate!

  24. Actually, to be honest, I think the only way forward is to take back the House and freeze out the Dems. Because when a Democrat says cooperate, they really mean capitulate!

  25. Charles – The Soviets had a one party system. How did that work out?

  26. Did your holy Mitch McConnell fulfill his constitutional obligation to consider the nomination of justice Garland?

  27. Mahons, Am I becoming too strident a Party man? 🙂

    I guess so!

  28. Pat, if you’re around could you check your mail pls?

  29. O/T

    Bit of tit for tatism:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51602975

  30. Test

  31. The Republican and Democratic parties and their respective bases Do not speak for most Americans

    they are all part of What makes our country’s problems worse, not better

  32. Phantom, I think I agree with that assessment, hence the rise of Trump and Sanders. In The ROI we just saw the collapse of FG and FF and the rise of SF. The US has never really had a viable third party. I wonder when our political system will right itself?

  33. After yesterday’s impressive win in Nevada Sanders is the likely nominee. He is the worst candidate for the Democrats and the dream candidate for Trump and Putin. Sanders healthcare plan kills private health insurance which well over a hundred million people are comfortable with. Sanders healthcare plan along with his other plans would cost trillions and he does not have a credible plan to meet that burden. Sanders is an unlikable candidate who screeches and preaches and divides people. Sanders history is made for derision. Unless something unforeseen occurs the Democrats are in for defeat, and not just for the presidency as house and senate candidates would suffer from the top of the ticket.

    Trump has been very lucky on the economy despite his misguided efforts to harm it. His trade wars and tariffs are contrary to good guidance of the economy. Usually we credit the sitting president with the current economy, but in this case it is clear the president has no clue as to how to manage a good economy. Keeping him in office would likely accelerate a recession because of his economic ineptitude. If it comes down to either Sanders or Trump be prepared for a very rough economy ahead.

  34. This seems approriate to post here:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/jesus-was-not-a-socialist-fox-news-panel-explodes-over-jesus-christs-political-views/

  35. Sinn Fein, And the respect cults of Trump and Sanders, are Protest movements.

    Those voters know what they are against, they barely have any idea of what they are for, Or how the economy works.

  36. Trump and Sanders are two sides of the same coin. They draw on anger of their respective parties and supporters. I know I’m angry at the open borders crowd and the sanctuary cities. Difference is Republicans don’t riot. Bernie Bros have promised to burn Milwaukee to the ground if the nomination is stolen from him.

  37. There is a political criminal element with the Bernie Brose no question about it

    But there is a political criminal element in The Republican base as well, Look at the many comments about “ the ability of the people to rise up against a tyrannical government” . If Trump loses this election, and the asshole starts talking about election irregularities and a rigged deep state system, You don’t think that there’s a good possibility of violence from armed thugs, including from militias?

  38. No Phantom, I just think that’s Pat talking.

  39. No Phantom, I just think that’s Pat talking.

  40. Then again, never say never. We had the right wing nut come to El Paso to kill 21 innocent Mexicans.

  41. That is Pat talking, but I hear it from far right wing media also

    Including from Michael savage and Alex Jones, Who are very much a part of the moment

  42. There are a great many unstable people with guns in this country

    And It appears that the president himself is trying to incite them with his talk about deep state and dirty cops and all that

  43. It’s not the excitable ones you have to worry about. The violent on bothsides exist and are dangerous. The ones on the left usually cause riots and only occaisionally blow things up, the violent fringe on the right always blows shit up or guns down a dozen people, but those are the fringe loons.

    The 100 million legal gun owners of America are 99.9% the most harmless respectable group in the country. Made up of primarily blue collar middle class of both parties and they have a 100 million relatives that don’t see them as a threat or unstable.

    That’s the group that the Democrats and any anti-gun nuts need to be concerned about. They and their family members know they aren’t the problem the criminal element is the problem. It is also on view across the entire nation that the Democrat politician does not care about them or their jobs, the see the Dems care about letting criminals out of jail and flooding the job market with illegals and the felons that accompany them while at the sametime they want to disarm working americans.

  44. This Phantasy that you hold that that I think the masses will rise in revolt is your Phantasy Phantom.

    The Democrats have failed at every attempt to remove Trump. No republicans goyt violent in the street, but since his election and all through Obama the left rioted in the streets, on the campuses a bernie supporter shot up a congressional baseball game…..

    The right doesn’t need to riot, they never have. It will be done by vote and Law and we will win.

  45. There is one thing that will cause violence. If the Federal or State Govt goes to peoples homes to collect their guns there will be bloodshed and EVERYONE in the country knows and understands this……. which is why it will never happen.

    They can tinker around the edges all they want, but they’ll never cross that line, they don’t dare, and as long as there is no confiscation attempt there won’t be any violence.

  46. Who wants to disarm Americans? In what way? They specific

    And as far as I know, Timothy McVeigh did not have a criminal record prior to his terrorist attack. Neither did Breivik.( Norway massacre ) Neither did Tarrant ( NZ massacre )

    Very many left, right, Muslim, racist murderers as far as I can tell had a completely clean record before they committed their murders.

  47. You don’t get a gold medal from me for not having a criminal record. That’s no accomplishment.

    There are quite a few who are making political threats.

    Including your president

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/opinion/trump-civil-war.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

  48. I don’t think the Weather Underground had records before they started blowing people up either…. as I said there are loons on bothsides.

    Mini Mike wants all guns banned if you don’t know that you’ve been living under a rock… but believe me every gun owner in America knows it. The Left have constantly pushed with the goal of banning guns…. this is not a new position for them Phantom.

    95% of the Gun violence (not suicides) but person on person is done by criminals. People who already have NO RIGHTS to touch let alone own a firearm and your city along with a halfdozen others just dump them right back on the street.

    That’s why stop and frisk was in those neighborhoods and all those THOUSANDS of arrests were of people that had no right to own a gun. Not one Legal Gun Owner was arrested under stop and frisk. Just Felons…….

  49. Mike absolutely does not want to ban all guns

    You might want to quit typing and read his website and read the things that he has said over the years on that subject

  50. If the gun was owned and carried legally, The police would’ve had no grounds to make an arrest

  51. I understand that you will always have significant disagreements with Bernie Sanders on the issue of guns

    But again please read what he says carefully

    You don’t understand where he’s coming from

    I’m not trying to make you convert to his cause; you will be a better adversary to him if you understand his position

  52. Quite a few Democrats have a big problem with Bernie Sanders

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/23/msnbcs-chris-matthews-compares-sanders-win-to-nazi-invasion-of-france/

    Including Chris Matthews, who worked for president Carter and for Tip O’Neill, And who is a political commentator on democratic MSNBC television

  53. O/T Phantom, I read that Trump is set to ban New Yorkers from TSA pre-check. I assume this has to do with issuing drivers licenses to illegals. Is this going to impact you personally?

  54. I actually don’t have pre-check or any of the other ones at the present time

    It will impact some of my friends when they come to renew their status

    I think that Trump is entirely in the right on this

  55. As someone not know the details on this

    The federal government has a couple of different programs that allow for trusted Travelers to enter airports easier for her to go through immigration easier after a foreign trip

    One must apply for the program

    And the federal government has to verify that you are who you say you are

    One of the tools they have used to do this is to check the department of motor vehicles records of the state of the applicants residence

    Four years, New York state allowed the federal government unfettered access to this DMV database

    Not long ago, New York state restricted the automatic federal access to the DMV database, at or around the same time that they started giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens. Governor Cuomo did not want the feds to have access to information about his illegal alien buddies

    Trump didn’t create any part of this problem; Governor Cuomo and New York State did

    There is another issue that has just cropped up we’re by New York registered vehicles Cannot be easily be shipped Out of the country anymore, For the same reason – The NY DMV data is compromised. A surprising number ofvehicles are shipped out of the country via New York or New Jersey.That industry has come to a halt for now

  56. Sorry, pity you can’t edit after posting

  57. Mini Mike wants to Ban ALL guns except for his body guards…. he’s entitled and you are NOT.

    That is how he is viewed by one third of the Country Phantom and nobody cares what Bernie’s position is on Guns because he’s a commie and where that may win him the Democrat Party Nomination it means that’s all he’ll win.

    I thought that travel issue might have effected you, and you’re right Cuomo and NY own it.

  58. It doesn’t impact me

    If the standoff continues for a year or two, it could mean longer Security lines generally, and then it could impact me

  59. Pat, could you check your mail please?

  60. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/nyregion/car-exports-new-york-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

  61. with all your traveling you’re not part of a fast board system

    Paul posted

  62. I don’t travel nearly as often as you might think!

    And when I travel domestically, it’s often via LaGuardia, where the security linrs are fairly short

    But tomorrow morning I will be traveling someplace; let’s see how that goes

  63. good luck……