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WEINSTEIN GOING DOWN

By Pete Moore On February 24th, 2020

Prominent Democrat and friend of the Clintons, Harvey Weinstein, has been found guilty.

Weinstein, 67, was convicted in New York City of third-degree rape and first-degree criminal sexual act.

But he was cleared of the most serious count of predatory sexual assault. He faces up to 25 years in prison.

He still faces charges in Los Angeles of assaulting two women in 2013.

At least 80 women had accused him of sexual misconduct stretching back decades, including actresses Gwyneth Paltrow, Uma Thurman and Salma Hayek.

He’s loaded, so he can probably string put the appeals for a while yet. (Is he entitled to appeal?) I’m looking forward to all those actresses who earned gongs, awards and big bucks working on his productions to give it all back, in disgust.

30 Responses to “WEINSTEIN GOING DOWN”

  1. //Weinstein, 67, was convicted in New York City of third-degree rape//

    I read that 3rd degree rape is when “He or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person without such person’s consent where such lack of consent is by reason of some factor other than incapacity to consent.”

    Seems to be broad enough to convict anyone they want convicted.

  2. Giggling at the strapline would be in bad taste.

  3. First degree rape involves “forcible compulsion” – the use or threat of use of physical force to rape someone. Second-degree rape is when someone rapes a person who is incapable of consent (a child, or a someone who is not compos mentis. Third degree rape covers all other rapes.

  4. I’m looking forward to all those actresses who earned gongs, awards and big bucks working on his productions to give it all back, in disgust.

    So they should give back the awards they earned for all their hard work and great acting, because Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted them?
    How does that work then?

  5. Seamus, so if no violence or threats are used and the victim is capable of refusing consent but does not, what then is left for what we would consider rape?
    (but please, no graphic details)

    That seems to be getting into an area that is so broad that it covers also acceptable, normal behaviour, yet is probably still not precise enough to isolate the baddies.

  6. //because Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted them?//

    Dave, I don’t think he was talking about Weinstein’s victims. I think he meant all Hollywood feminists should return what they got through working for such a creep.

  7. I think he meant all Hollywood feminists should return what they got through working for such a creep.

    Why? Having endured sexual assault they are now expected to give back the money they got in exchange for their work with his production company?

    Seamus, so if no violence or threats are used and the victim is capable of refusing consent but does not, what then is left for what we would consider rape?

    At the infamous ‘La Manada’ case here a few years ago the five menwho gang raped an 18 year old girl were cleared at trail of sexual aggression charges and instead found guilty of the lesser charge of sexual abuse because it couldn’t be proved that they had used physical force to restrain the victim.

  8. Lack of consent is still an issue.

  9. He always seemed creepy, very much a bully. But money can take you far even if it didn’t save him in the end.

  10. Noel,

    Dave, I don’t think he was talking about Weinstein’s victims. I think he meant all Hollywood feminists should return what they got through working for such a creep.

    But my point still stands. Why should actresses to worked for him, but weren’t assaulted, return their awards.

  11. “Seamus, so if no violence or threats are used and the victim is capable of refusing consent but does not, what then is left for what we would consider rape?”

    Other forms of coercion other than violence. That was most of Weinstein’s power. If they refused and just left then he would end their careers. So he had a form of control over them that meant that he didn’t need to use force.

  12. //If they refused and just left then he would end their careers. So he had a form of control over them that meant that he didn’t need to use force.//

    That kind of thing probably happens every day (or rather every night) in millions of marriages everywhere. There’s a vast amount of sex where one party doesn’t want sex or enjoy it, but goes along with it just to maintain some kind of relationship, financial, social or god knows what other kind of status quo.

    I’m not talking about Weinstein, but about the law in general and the way things seem to be going.
    At any rate, I wouldn’t like to be a man wrongly accused of rape and facing a jury trial these days.

  13. Noel, yes, how many wives the world over have sex to keep the peace or the rent paid? These actresses had a choice. They chose their careers. Now that we have established what they are, it’s just down to the haggling. It makes light of real rape.

  14. Noel, yes, how many wives the world over have sex to keep the peace or the rent paid? These actresses had a choice. They chose their careers. Now that we have established what they are, it’s just down to the haggling. It makes light of real rape.

  15. Charles – they chose to be raped? I think you need to clarify your point better cause I don’t think you would mean that.

  16. Mahons, I expressed myself poorly. No one deserves to be raped. I was speaking to Noel’s point that 3rd degree rape could be applied to a variety of circumstances that we normally wouldn’t think of as rape. My 1st wife said that all sex was rape! God rest her poor soul. But a feminist she was.

  17. Charles – I’m not sure the statute was fully understood by Noel. In any event a bad man was convicted and I’m glad

  18. Sexual misconduct? What’s happened is that a load of aspiring actresses traded what they had for what HW had, and years later are reneging on the deal. None are saying that HW didn’t deliver his side of the bargain.

  19. If a person doesn’t want to have sex but consents to sex for other reasons then that is not rape. It isn’t a good thing but it isn’t rape. But if a person doesn’t want to have sex, doesn’t consent to sex but doesn’t fight back etc… because of other reasons then that is rape. That is broadly the distinction in this case to some spousal relationships. If the wife in those spousal relationships consents to keep the peace then that is not rape. But if she doesn’t consent, but doesn’t fight back to keep the peace, then that is rape.

  20. I Have not followed the legal case closely, but I will note that there were multiple allegations of forcible rape against Weinstein

    Along with everything else

    Justice may not be a perfect thing, but I would think that some justice was meted out yesterday

    The ultimate control freak will now have no control over anything. They better put him on 24 hours suicide watch forever. If he kills himself , the “Epstein did not kill himself” freaks will have a new field day

  21. If he kills himself , the “Epstein did not kill himself” freaks will have a new field day

    Phantom.

    Are those that believe Dr David Kelly didn’t kill himself “freaks” too?

    You know, like pathologists, Doctors, Paramedics etc, those sort of freaks?

  22. Phantom,

    The ultimate control freak will now have no control over anything. They better put him on 24 hours suicide watch forever. If he kills himself , the “Epstein did not kill himself” freaks will have a new field day

    LOL. I was thinking the same thing just before I read your comment.

  23. “Are those that believe Dr David Kelly didn’t kill himself “freaks” too?”

    Yes.

  24. Thanks for the input Seamus.

    But with all due respect I will not be taking too much notice of you?

    You cant even manage to get the knife murder crime stats right in London.

  25. They better put him on 24 hours suicide watch forever. If he kills himself , the “Epstein did not kill himself” freaks will have a new field day

    You’re obviously a Deep State counter agent proposing that Weinstein be kept on permanent watch in order that other Deep State agents can’t kill him thus frustrating those who know what the sheep don’t uncovering the Deep State plot to kill him to shut him up.

    They killed David Kelly which obviously means that they killed Brian Epstein and that Weinstein is next on the list.

  26. “But with all due respect I will not be taking too much notice of you?”

    Is that a question?

    “You cant even manage to get the knife murder crime stats right in London.”

    Firstly I got them right. Secondly is there a single thread you can comment on that you don’t try to pollute with your hobby horses and casual racism?

  27. Firstly I got them right

    No you didn’t.

    casual racism?

    Yawn.. Zzzzzz

    Here we go.

  28. Harri, on February 23rd, 2020 at 3:25 PM Said:

    Are a majority of youth knife offenders minority ethnic?

    22nd Nov 2018

    Claim

    Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic.
    Conclusion

    In England and Wales 38% of knife possession offenders under 25s were non-white in 2017. It was two thirds in London.

    “Two thirds of knife offenders under 25 were black or minority ethnic”

    David Dimbleby, 8 November 2018

    The claim seems to refer to data on knife crime in London only, not the country as a whole. In 2017 two thirds of knife crime offenders under 25 in London were black or minority ethnic, according to the Mayor of London’s Office for Policing and Crime.

    Correction 4 December 2018
    We originally said the claim was incorrect because it referred to data for London only, without specifying that fact. On reflection we feel the discussion was focused on crime in London so it was unfair to say the claim was incorrect. We have changed the conclusion accordingly.

    https://fullfact.org/crime/are-majority-youth-knife-offenders-minority-ethnic/

    Harri, on February 23rd, 2020 at 3:09 PM Said:

    Harri, on February 23rd, 2020 at 8:13 AM Said:

    Seamus, on February 22nd, 2020 at 10:20 PM Said:

    “I would say over two thirds.”

    According to a freedom of information request it is 48% black, 24% white, 10% Asian, and 18% mixed or unknown. Victims are 43% black, 35% white, 11% Asian, and 10% mixed or unknown.

    What was the date of that FOI?
    Have you got a link.

  29. Seamus,

    “Are those that believe Dr David Kelly didn’t kill himself “freaks” too?”
    Yes.

    That would make me a freak too, as there are aspects surrounding Dr David Kelly’s death that I’m uncomfortable with.

  30. For me the clear evidence is that the government didn’t want an investigation under oath of the days leading up to the death of David Kelly. They didn’t want their harassment to become part of the public record.

    However the overwhelming evidence is that Kelly killed himself.