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The Biden Wall

By Mahons On February 26th, 2020

Joe Biden needs to win South Carolina this weekend. It is a test for the depth of his support, and populous enough that quirky candidates shouldnt prevail. Sanders, through the momentum of wins to date is running close. Sanders can afford second place here, Biden can’t.

Bet you didnt know South Carolina was named after Charles I of England. Most of us didnt take Latin so we might miss that. There are over 5 million people in South Carolina. The Democratic primary voters include high percentages of African Americans, and Biden needs them to turn out for him. If Sanders gets an upset win here, party heads might see Biden as finished. The Dems might then watch as one candidate after another can’t take out the holy crap candidate of Sanders like the Republicans watched their own fold against Trump to genuine astonishment. The stakes are high.

81 Responses to “The Biden Wall”

  1. // as one candidate after another can’t take out the holy crap candidate of Sanders //

    I don’t know, the more I see and hear of Sanders, the more I like him. And of course also the more I see and hear the other candidates, then, if it has to be, ok, let it be Sanders.

    I also like his rough NY accent.

    If anyone remembers the old Monkees TV series, there was one scene where Peter Tosh gets passionate about something. Micky Dolenz then turns and looks straight into the camera and comments: “With a little more ego, he could be President!!”

    That’s the kind of thing you think of when you see Bernie in action.

  2. I’d vote for the disgusting Trump twice before I’d vote for Sanders of Warren once.

    They know even less about the economy than Trump does, and are far more divisive.

    If anything, Warren is the more disgusting of the two, with her about to burst out crying voice, her lying and or betrayal of confidences ( Biden ) and her endless personal attacks ( against Biden, Bloomberg )

  3. or Warren

  4. There are over 5 million people in South Carolina. The Democratic primary voters include high percentages of African Americans, and Biden needs them to turn out for him.

    I wonder what the percentage is of those African Americans who actually realise that after the election, Biden, like any other politician will not give them so much as a second thought?

  5. Warren is the epitome of a whinging, whining “I’m offended” do as I say, not what I do liberal.

  6. She’s a complete freak.

    It is noted that even in NH, right next to her home state of MA, she did very poorly ( under 10% )

    Instead of acting better, she doubled down on the whining last night in SC.

    I can’t imagine any thinking person voting for her.

    At least Bernie has that cranky stupid uncle who still thinks Castro was good thing going for him, charming in its own discredited way.

    What does Pochahontas have? She’s the queen of the frauds.

  7. I never thought I’d see the day when we’d have a Communist praising Fidel Castro as the Democratic frontrunner for President. It’s up to the Democrats of the South to break his stride.

  8. I never thought I’d see the day when we’d have a Communist praising Fidel Castro as the Democratic frontrunner for President. It’s up to the Democrats of the South to break his stride.

  9. I never thought I’d see the day when we’d have a Communist praising Fidel Castro as the Democratic frontrunner for President. It’s up to the Democrats of the South to break his stride.

  10. I never thought I’d see the day when we’d have a Communist praising Fidel Castro as the Democratic frontrunner for President. It’s up to the Democrats of the South to break his stride.

  11. Four a record!

  12. Four a record!

  13. He’ll really win Florida with that point of view

    Sanders opposes some oppresssors, but is friendly to others

    How does that make him one bit better than Trump

  14. //still thinks Castro was good thing going for him, //

    What was the worst he said about Castro/Cuba?

    //How does that make him one bit better than Trump//

    He doesn’t call oppressors his friends nor write lovey-dovey letters to them.

  15. for most of the past decades, Sanders has had praise for the Castro regime, and only minimal criticism for the lack of any political rights in Cuba, and then only when he is confronted

    He is a caricature of a brain dead leftist. He is the US Corbyn, a waste, one with minimal knowledge of anything important, a bag of complaints.

    https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-1985-praise-of-fidel-castro-sandinistas-220550

  16. Trump does not support North Korea.

    He is attempting a diplomatic breakthrough.

    Sanders has supported communist Cuba, has spoken in support of it, he thinks that that betrayed revolution was a good thing. ( Remember in 1959 Castro promised free and fair elections )

  17. From what I can see Sanders has defended aspects of the Cuban regime, ostensibly the literacy and health programmes:

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/24/bernie-sanders-cuban-revolution-117279

    We’re very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba but you know, it’s unfair to simply say everything is bad […]

    Sanders has for decades singled out the broadly positive achievements of autocratic regimes — like health care and education programs in Cuba and Nicaragua — while mixing in criticism of their governments’ anti-democratic behavior

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/25/politics/bernie-sanders-praise-authoritarian-leftist-regimes/index.html

    It’s perfectly logical to oppose an authoritarian leader while praising policies?

    Mahons, Sex Pistols ref in the strapline?

  18. Yes and Hitler built the autobahn, so he wasn’t so bad either.

    Sanders’ criticism of the communist Cuban dictatorship has been exceptionally weak, with critical comments generally made only under duress

    It is astonishing that this joke, this moral mess, this ignoramus on health care ( his leading issue ) is the leading candidate

    Trump would crucify this guy with his eyes closed in the general election

  19. Sanders is having difficulty excusing himself from the stupid Cuba remarks. His problem is that his pride prevents him from saying ‘I made a mistake’ when I was much younger. Instead he is caught endorsing the rule of Castro the dictator. Taking a honeymoon in the Soviet Union was another really stupid thing. If the Democrats can not get rid of Sanders they will lose in November and not just the presidency but seats in congress. Another reason to hope Biden does well in SC and other states.

  20. In his early days, Sanders stood with the oppressor against the oppressed, in both the USSR and in Cuba.

    That’s what the record shows.

  21. If Biden by a miracle wins in SC he will be far from a democratic victory. As in our Presidential Elections we are not voting for the candidate, we are voting for the assigning of Delegates SC has 63. 54 will be divided out in this primary but the votes of the other 9 are super delegates whose votes carry more weight than the other 54.

    Even if Biden wins them all Super Tuesday quickly follows Ca alone has 441 Delegates 370 regular and 71 super delegates. Sanders will win the Lion share of those, but just as the last time. Sanders could win the basic delegates and the popular vote and just as happened with Hillary the Super Delegates can take it away from him as they did last time.

    I do find it funny that everyone whines Hillary won the popular vote, but lost through the electoral college….. they had no problem that she used that system to take the nomination, but cried when Trump used it to win the Presidency.

    The question is will they rob Bernie a 2nd time.

    As for Biden I wish him well all though his senility shows more and more each day from saying he met with a Chicom leader who had been dead for 20yrs to negotiate climate accords, saying he got arrested waiting for Mandella to be released from jail when he wasn;t even in Africa to the bit yesterday where he introduced himself as running for Senator and said if you don’t like him vote for the other Biden…… Old Joe’s elevator has stopped reaching the top floor.

    Where the debate last week was fun last nights debate was a cluster f*ck.

  22. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqS4m-8B4IQ

  23. Yes and Hitler built the autobahn, so he wasn’t so bad either.

    Piss poor.

    So you don’t criticise the authoritarianism of China while endorsing their business development and economy?

    The links I provide show him criticising the authoritarian aspects of Cuba & Nicaragua while praising their literacy and health programmes, that’s all I can find.

    That’s what the record shows

    Link to the record?

  24. The majority of Democrats don’t support Sanders.

    Some are gravely concerned about him for multiple reasons. He is divisive.

    If he gets the most votes but is well short of a majority, he is absolutely not entitled to be the nominee.

    The party should nominate the candidate with a genuine broad base of support who has the best chance of defeating Trump.

    Bernie ain’t him.

  25. Your pet Castro taught some how to read but, after 60 years, they still are not allowed to speak.

  26. So in this situation you fully support electoral vote over popular vote.

  27. Your pet Castro taught some how to read but, after 60 years

    Mt pet? You’re being an inventive dickhead again.

    Link to ‘the record’ or don’t.

  28. I support the popular vote if there’s a 50% or greater winner.

    Bernie won’t ever come close to that. The voters will not have made a decision.

    He is not the voice of the party. Never was.

  29. Paul

    You can’t handle the truth.

    Away with you now.

  30. So no link to ‘the record?’ Yeah, okay.

  31. Not to let the facts get in the way of a good rant but Clinton beat Sanders in the popular vote in 2016.

  32. I was listening to Rohm Emmanuel, who wondered why the Dems were throwing away the successful Clinton/Obama strategy that has worked for them for 25 years. Made sense to me. The American people do not want a Communist Revolution, although, I will say, I look good in a beret!

  33. The Democrats ran their traditional candidate and platform in 2016. And lost to a malcontent upstart who was so out of step with normal politics. Can’t fault the Dems for trying something similar this time around.

  34. These lefty jerks look down on Obama in a way

    They look down on the guy who expanded health care and who led a restoration of the economy.

    So sure, lets go with Fidel Sanders and blow up the system.

  35. Hillary didn’t lose because she was traditional

    She lost because she was lazy, entitled, and because she looked down on blue collar voters in places like western PA and Ohio

    Bill Clinton was strongly critical of the campaign that she ran

  36. So in a field of 3 or more with no one with 50% who should win the one with the highest numbers or the one the delegates think have a better chance ?

  37. Joe Biden would have won that election

    If Obama had been able to run, he would have won in a landslide. He remains popular.

  38. Where there is no candidate with majority support ( or close to it ) of course the delegates should decide

    Otherwise, why have delegates or why have a convention at all?

  39. Pat, the undemocratic super delegates will pick, and it won’t be Bolshy Bernie.

  40. Phantom, that’s the way the process would work on the Republican side. One delegate, one vote.

  41. Just one of Hillary’s flaws was her arrogance. She didn’t have to campaign it was guaranteed her’s in her mind and against any politician she would have won. Trumps approach was unconventional to say the least but he was playing chess while she didn’t know there was even game that she was playing.

    The Democrat field is extremely flawed by it’s participants and it’s platform. The only person they have with stage presence is an old fashioned soviet style commie, Biden is truly having a cognitive problem and everyone hates Bloomberg, but loves his money.

    They all support a platform that will shut down oil and gas production and take away the upper hand we just regained globally.

    If they win we’ll have 8 years of bankruptcies and foreclosures.

  42. If they win, rich people will off shore their billions, and crash our stock markets. Do you think the rich are just going to sit around and let their fortunes be seized by the government?

  43. With every debate, Trump’s chances look better.

    Napoleon supposedly said something along the lines of

    ‘Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself.’

    If Trump was smart, which he isn’t, he would say little, and just let the Dems ruin one another.

  44. Biden needs South Carolina. If he gets it and becomes the guy he has a chance (better than Hillary who was arrogant and divisive). Bernie would make George McGovern shake his head.

  45. Jesus Charles, your 4.22 makes progressive taxation sound like collectivisation of wealth and property.

  46. You can’t offshore without disclosing these days, and you can’t evade taxes unless you renounce US citizenship, which I don’t think that most of the rich would do.

    Sanders Warren and the like are genuinely stupid – guys like Bloomberg, Gates, and Bezos are voluntarily giving away huge contributions to very good causes ( despite the nonsense that Allan says on the subject )

    Bloomberg did more for the working person in an afternoon than Sanders and Warren did over their lifetimes.

  47. Bernie’s admiration of Castro is of course the lingering love for the dictator that has never left the far left, even when they are old enough to know better. But Trump’s facilitating of modern authoritarians is far worse.

  48. What would Bernie really like to do?

    What his buddy Fidel did- promise moderation and deliver confiscations and executions political opponents?

  49. Paul, Bernie is actually talking about seizing money from the rich, not just taxing them, but taking a % of what they have. That’s not taxation, that’s theft. The problem is that to pay for all his free programs, he could seize all of their trillions and not meet his goals.

  50. I don’t think Bernie is executing any political opponents.

  51. The Off sure money is just coming back and is rebuilding factories that will stop, reinvestment and retooling in resident industry will stop, pipeline infrastructure will end and wells will be capped.

    All the ancillary companies which have boomed and hired for 3 years will start laying people off….. the economy will collapse back into depression/recession.

  52. The repatriation AFAIK had little to nothing to do with new factory construction.

    If a factory made sense it got built anyway. There was the phenomenon of on-shoring that I wrote about here before Trump was the nominee.

    Toyota, Siemens, Airbus and others have had a huge manufacturing presence in the US for a long time.

    The only real benefit of repatriation of offshore money is that the US government gets to tax it.

  53. See this chart

    Private investment in the US took off like a rocket in 2009-2010, and kept going up for the rest of the satanic Hussein Obama administration.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GPDI

  54. Paul, Bernie is actually talking about seizing money from the rich, not just taxing them, but taking a % of what they have. That’s not taxation, that’s theft

    Charles, I believe that Sanders has spoken of an accumulated wealth tax. I disagree with it but more importantly don’t think that it’s a realistic proposal, (insofar as I understand it’s purely speculative as opposed to an actual proposal?).

    I’ve no problem with progressive tax brackets and taxing income generated from accumulative wealth but think that taxing accumulated wealth itself is a step too far.

  55. Both Sanders and Warren want a wealth tax

    They’re two peas from the same pod

  56. Warren I see as a no-hoper, who no one would ever pick as a Vice President.

    Sanders could get the nomination, or he could do damage to the Dems if he is a sore loser if someone else gets the nod. He is too old and cantankerous to be considered for VP.

  57. Life is the best teacher, learn at the school of hard knocks and similar nostrums all express the common-sense fact that character develops through the experience of living. Riding the waves of joy and sorrow, overcoming setbacks and building lasting relationships are matters of trial and error and hopefully lead to sound judgment and even wisdom as we grow older.

    Yet we are to believe that Sanders has been immune to his personal experiences and everything that has happened in the world in the last half-century. His mind was fixed in the 1960’s and never did he reconsider his youthful enthusiasms for the Soviet Union, Cuba and other nations run by murderous socialists and communists.

    The Castro regime, for example, has brutalized the Cuban people and turned the island into a police state. An impoverished one at that.

    Assassination by government was common and dissenters are still locked up. The freedoms that Americans take for granted — speech, religion, upward mobility, choice of schools, homes and occupations — have been denied Cubans for more than six decades.

    Property is owned by the government, so you can’t really buy a house or sell one — unless the government grants you a favor.

    Yet Sanders to this day defends the Cuban revolution, citing its “literacy program,” as if the trade-off is worthwhile.

    While he claimed Tuesday he has been denouncing authoritarianism his whole life, it is a fact that he has said nicer things about Fidel Castro than Trump, and lavished more praise on Cuba and the Soviet Union than on the United States.

    Who thinks that way?

    Sanders does, but more to the point at hand, who thinks such a closed, warped person would make a good president of the United States of America? That millions of people do is the really frightening part of what is happening among Democrats.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/26/by-going-soft-on-sanders-democrats-are-paving-the-way-for-his-nomination-goodwin/

  58. The New York Post? Micheal Goodwin, Fox News contributor? This Micheal Goodwin?

    https://nypost.com/author/michael-goodwin/

    See, there’s actual commentary of Sanders criticising uthoritarianism in Latin America but hey, let’s take what a neutral, unbiased Fox News reporter says about a democratic socialist in a Rupert Murdoch tabloid rag.

    That’s your ‘record?’

  59. What did Goodwin say that was wrong here, ye font of all arguments?

  60. I don’t know but I do know that Sanders has criticised authoritarianism in Latin America.

    Why don’t you corraborate the Fox News / Rupert Murdoch guy’s claims instead of asking me to disprove them?

  61. Based on your exhaustive and unbiased research of the subject would you conclude that Sanders has been more a supporter or more a critic of Castroite Cuba, Sandanisa Nicaragua and or the USSR for most of his adult life?

  62. Sandanista

  63. I don’t know.

    I don’t know every word of criticism or praise he’s uttered about Latin America or the USSR so whay not link to ‘the record’ and corraborate it for me?

    I will however take this as a bit more detailed, nuanced and analytical than what some guy from Fox News / Rupurt Murdoch tabloid gutter rag says:

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-cuban-revolution-castro-buttigieg-obama

  64. According to UNESCO pre Castro Cuba had a literacy rate at 77%, and rising.

    You didn’t know that.

  65. I don’t know every word of criticism or praise he’s uttered about Latin America or the USSR so whay not link to ‘the record’ and corraborate it for me

    Talking of records, we could actually be going for one here?

    15 is the number to beat.

  66. Yeah, and Castro raised it to 96% inside two years.

    I can read Wiki too.

  67. My main source of information is an article by Leo Huberman which appeared in the January issue of Monthly Review, a left wing journal sympathetic to the Castro regime. The facts presented in the article, to be sure, do not tell the whole story of the Cuban situation. They do not tell, for example, about the lack of civil liberties in Cuba, of the crowded jails, or the food shortages and inept economic management, or why tens of thousands of Cubans (including workers and peasants) have already left Cuba and why tens of thousands more will be leaving in the future. They do, however, present a side to the Cuban revolution which is very rarely presented to the American population; a side which needs to be told if Americans are to gain a more intelligent perspective of Castro’s Cuba than they have at present.

    Cuba: the Other Side of the Story
    Bernard Sanders
    Vermont Freeman
    March 1969

    Sanders then describes the health and education situation in Cuban, in positive terms. So even in 1969, before lauding the benefits of Cuba, Sanders qualifies it in terms of the political oppression in Cuba.

  68. Paul, I agree with your 5:53. I think Sanders accumulated wealth tax is a real proposal, one, BTW, which would never pass the Congress.

  69. Literacy and health had gone up in very many other nations in a similar time period, without the political and economic oppression.

    In 1959, Cuba would have been miles ahead of Korea and a significant number of other nations in GDP per capita.

    Those countries achieved 100% or close literacy and their peoples now have speech political and economic rights that Cubans don’t have.

    The constant harping on Cuba’s supposedly exceptional literacy program is meant to counterbalance the lack of any speech political or economic rights there.

  70. A wealth tax is not particularly radical either. Wealth taxes have existed since ancient Greece, and are present in many European countries. Property taxes, especially domestic property taxes, operate as de facto wealth taxes (based on the value of the asset and not on income), while the likes of France had a direct tax on wealth until it was abolished 3 years ago. But the Netherlands, Norway, Switzerland, and Spain all have them as well.

  71. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_tax

  72. But Switzerland does not tax capital gains

    Bad news Bernie would not abandon other taxes on ” the rich ” if he got this thing

  73. The constant harping on Cuba’s supposedly exceptional literacy program is meant to counterbalance the lack of any speech political or economic rights there

    As Seamus’ blocked quote states above that’s not the case.

    I also await your comments on the Jacobin Magazine article above. I found this particularly interesting:

    Unsurprisingly, hardly anyone plays by this rule in practice. As commentator Eric Levitz points out in his excellent piece on the controversy, every president in the last several decades, Democrat or Republican, has “found positive things to say” about a regime in Saudi Arabia whose human rights record is far, far worse than Cuba’s […]

    And even in the specific case of Cuba, centrist Democrats haven’t generally held one another to the Narnia standard. For example, to the best of my knowledge, no major Democrat criticized Barack Obama for praising Cuba’s education system — in a speech he delivered in Cuba, no less — in 2016

  74. Ultimately it isn’t a bad idea. The question is what you do with it. If you set it to punitive levels then it will be bad. But a small tax could potentially raise at least some revenues. Though most of the examples from Europe are relatively small amounts.

    In Norway it is only about 1% of its total tax take (and they tax a lot in Norway), while the likes of Spain it is only about 0.5% of the total.

  75. Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentina all have damned similar literacy rates to Cuba, esp among the youth.

    But still you hear endless chirping about ” that wonderful Cuban literacy program “.

    It is a magician’s diversion. Pay no attention to that prison camp, tourist!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

  76. To be fair the big gains in the Cuban literacy program where early on. A jump from 77% to 96% in 3 years is impressive. Are there problems with it? Yes, not least that large sections of the education campaign including political indoctrination literature. But the gains made were substantial.

  77. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Norway

  78. Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Brazil, Argentina all have damned similar literacy rates to Cuba, esp among the youth

    I wonder what their literacy rate was in 1961?

    Another interesting read, just like the Murdoch tabloid rag that the Fox News guy wrote in it’s from NY too:

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/02/bernie-sanders-fidel-castro-60-minutes-interview-cooper.html

  79. Brazil would be quite impressive, in terms of their gains. Their illiteracy would have been similar, if not worse, to Cuba’s. Though their gains were slower (but then the size of Brazil would also be a factor). Argentina not as a impressive. Literacy in Argentina was always historically quite high in terms of South America (at the end of the Second World War literacy was in the mid 80s).

  80. Yes

    It’s hard to understand why Argentina is always a complete mess considering its resources and its educated population

  81. In 1961 the literacy rate was close to 100%.

    96% to be precise. Che Guevara’s behest dubbed 1961 the “year of education” and sent “literacy brigades” out into the countryside to construct schools, train new educators, and teach the predominantly illiterate guajiros (peasants) to read and write. The campaign was “a remarkable success” although some participants recalled it as an indoctrination program to support the party. By its completion, 707,212 adults were taught to read and write, raising the national literacy rate to 96%.

    How do I know all this?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Literacy_Campaign