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Tucker: Democrats stuff coronavirus bill with identity politics

By Patrick Van Roy On March 24th, 2020

33 Responses to “Tucker: Democrats stuff coronavirus bill with identity politics”

  1. at least we some good news

    We mark the 10th anniversary of the Affordable Care Act, we call on the President to drop his lawsuit attacking Americans’ health care.
    We should be fighting to ensure more people have access to quality care, not doing the opposite.
    A huge thanks to veteran purple star war hero John McCain

  2. Let me paraphrase a great man, which Irish people should recognise:

    “Then came the Corona virus. Almost every institution in the world was strained. The fate of countries has been violently altered. The mode of thought of men, the whole outlook on affairs, the grouping of parties… – all have encountered violent and tremendous changes in the deluge of the world. But as that deluge begins to subside and the waters fall back, we see the dreary headquarters of the US Democrats and Republicans emerging once again. The integrity of their quarrel is one of the few instituions that have been unaltered in the cataclysm which has swept the world.”

  3. https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-turning-point-in-us-will-be-earlier-than-predicted-nobel-laureate-says/

    The US will see a turning point in the battle to contain coronavirus sooner than expected, according to the Nobel laureate who correctly predicted when China would get through the worst of its crisis.

    Stanford University biology professor Michael Levitt, who won the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, said his models don’t support predictions that the virus will wreak months or even years of social disruption or cause millions of deaths, the Los Angeles Times reported.

    “What we need is to control the panic … we’re going to be fine,” assured Levitt, who correctly predicted early on that China would get through the worst of the outbreak by mid-February.

    Here’s hoping

  4. Phantom.

    Many thanks for that link.

    My anxiety is through the roof.

  5. Yes, indeed Phantom. I admit I’m going a bit wobbly myself here!

  6. Very logical reactions at this time.

    Wash your hands!

  7. hmmn?

    dubios

    UK coronavirus lockdown live: death toll reaches 422 after biggest daily rise so far
    not looking good right now, my neighbour can’t go out at all, was told to stay in
    I just got back from much running around, weekly shop for my folks and brought my neighbour
    8 cans of beer. He’s delighted .
    ofc i can’t drink right now as too many peeps to correct online 🙂
    help get me a pint ..

  8. I just got back from much running around, weekly shop for my folks and brought my neighbour
    8 cans of beer. He’s delighted .

    Fair play to you Kurt.

    It’s times like these that faith in humanity is restored, if only for a short time.

  9. I just got back from much running around, weekly shop for my folks and brought my neighbour
    8 cans of beer. He’s delighted

    Yes, let me echo Harri. Great stuff, that’s the spirit.

  10. I wish it were true Phantom but with president turnip of the bone spurs pushing for early release of social controls I can see a newer bigger wave coming, the first wave had to start at nothing this wave has a big head start

  11. From the same school that Phantom links to from a different Prize winning researcher I posted a link to his article he published a week ago that this was NOT a pandemic and here is another link to him saying again that this is overblown….

    Much of the current analysis does not explain how and why rates of infection and death will spike, so I think that it is important to offer a dissenting voice. In what follows, I look first at the trends in the American data, and then, building on my conclusions there, I construct a theoretical framework to evaluate the evolution of the coronavirus in other places.

    Based on the data, I believe that the current dire models radically overestimate the ultimate death toll. There are three reasons for this.

    First, they underestimate the rate of adaptive responses, which should slow down the replication rate. Second, the models seem to assume that the vulnerability of infection for the older population—from 70 upward—gives some clue as to the rate of spread over the general population, when it does not. Third, the models rest on a tacit but questionable assumption that the strength of the virus will remain constant throughout this period, when in fact its potency should be expected to decline over time, in part because of temperature increases.

    As of March 16, the data from the United States falls short of justifying the draconian measures that are now being implemented. As of two days ago, 39 states have declared states of emergency, and they have been joined at the federal level with President Trump’s recent declaration to the same effect. These declarations are meant to endow governments with the power to impose quarantines and travel bans, close schools, restrict public gatherings, shut down major sporting events, stop public meetings, and close restaurants and bars. Private institutions are imposing similar restrictions. The one-two punch of public and private restrictions has caused a huge jolt to the economy.

    The irony here is that even though self-help measures like avoiding crowded spaces make abundant sense, the massive public controls do not. In light of the available raw data, public officials have gone overboard. To begin with, the word pandemic should not be lightly used. Recall that the Spanish influenza pandemic, fully worthy of the name, resulted in perhaps as many as a half-billion infections and between 50 and 100 million deaths, world-wide, of which some 675,000 were Americans, many coming back from Europe in the aftermath of the First World War. The World Health Organization recently declared coronavirus a pandemic at a time when the death count was at 4,000, presently being just over 6,500. It will surely rise no matter what precautions are taken going forward, but what is critical is some estimate of the rate.

    By way of comparison, the toll from the flu in the United States since October ran as follows: between 36 to 51 million infections, between 370 thousand to 670 thousand flu hospitalizations, and between 22 thousand to 55 thousand flu deaths. That works out to between roughly between 230,000 to 320,000 new infections per day, and between 140 to 350 deaths per day for an overall mortality rate of between 0.044 percent to 0.152 percent.

    so even in the same holy high institute of learning the opinions vary…..

  12. So tell me did any of you bother to listen to Tucker go through what the Democrats are trying to put in this Bill and one outrageous thing the a group of Republicans is trying to block in this Bill ?

    or as usual you just KNOW what’s going to be said so why bother……

  13. Yeah I listened to it and I found it incredible that with all the concern shown towards the American worker he never commented on what those whose livelihoods are affected by this are supposed to do with their homes and families after their 39 week unemployment benefit stops.

    I also found it incredible that he suggested that Pelosi attempted to ‘blame the Pope’ on something or other.

  14. Paul I ask this honestly. Do you really not understand what this Bill the one before it was blown up by Pelosi actually did ?

    If you’re asking that question seriously then you really have no clue, all that was addressed in the original bill.

  15. Patrick Van Roy, on March 24th, 2020 at 8:04 PM Said:

    So tell me did any of you bother to listen to Tucker go through what the Democrats are trying to put in this Bill…..

    I did. This is just the kind of sneaky tactics that have been used by the worst elements in politics since 1913 for certain, and probably before.

  16. Yes Pat I do, Charles very helpfully linked to it for me and it offered a one off payment of various quantity to US individuals, couples and families along with a proposed montly $600 increase in the federal unemployment payments up to 39 weeks.

    What I’m asking is for all TC’s compassion & concern for the American worker above I’m surprised he didn’t address the question of what happens to these American homes and families after their 39 week enhanced unemployment benefit stops?

    Stating Pelosi tried to blame the Pope on something? FFS c’mon.

  17. Footage of Pelosi doing what she does….

    https://twitter.com/realPowerTie/status/1242312724979298310

    Here’s what’s also going on under the Corona diversion exercise (Pompeo called it an “exercise”)

    https://national-justice.com/new-law-plans-end-encrypted-communication-good

    A new bill sponsored by Lindsey Graham, Richard Blumenthal, Josh Hawley and Dianne Feinstein called the EARN IT Act of 2020 will force encrypted communication providers, like Telegram and Protonmail, to give American intelligence services the ability to wiretap private chats or face steep legal penalties. The law’s supporters are using the cover of coronavirus panic to quietly advance it without much of a debate.

    According to the bill’s text, it is intended to fight sex trafficking and child pornography online by criminally implicating tech companies that do not create a back channel for federal law enforcement to access on a whim. The nuts and bolts on how this will work has been kept opaque. A committee composed of members of the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security will set the terms only after it passes.

    Senator Ron Wyden has publicly opposed the bill, stating that it is “a transparent and deeply cynical effort effort by a few well-connected corporations and the Trump administration to use child sexual abuse to their political advantage, the impact to free speech and the security and privacy of every single American be damned.”

    It’s the sheer cynicism and shamelessness of the scumbags that would be worthy of admiration in a documentary about parasites

  18. One reason the Democrats held up the bill was because the original draft included a bail-out slush fund which would have been used to help crony-capitalist GOP donors with minimal supervision from Congress:

    Democrats had balked at a version of the stimulus measure drafted by Republicans that they were concerned would give Mr. Mnuchin too much latitude in deciding which companies could receive the funds, and allow him to delay revealing the recipients until six months after the loans were disbursed. They said it would have created a secretive government slush fund controlled by the president and his top advisers, rather than a closely monitored program accountable to taxpayers.

    “We have been pushing hard that any contract that the federal government makes with a company to give it loans, that we know of that contract in a very short period of time, that we can examine it,” Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader, said on the Senate floor, as he said the two sides were closing in on a deal. “We in the Senate, those in the House, the press and the American people will know if these things are on the level.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/politics/coronavirus-stimulus-bill.html?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20200324&instance_id=17038&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=92386359&segment_id=22779&te=1&user_id=88a853b48475ac441e2bca51f72ddacb

  19. Peter, on March 24th, 2020 at 11:27 PM Said: Edit Comment
    One reason the Democrats held up the bill was because the original draft included a bail-out slush fund which would have been used to help crony-capitalist GOP donors with minimal supervision from Congress:

    That’s a LIE.

    It got CALLED aslush fund by the Dems for spin the COMPLAINT on that part of the Bill was Mnuchin was in charge of it and Nancy wanted a HOUSE COMMITTEE to control it so SHE could control the money rather than the Secretary of the Treasury…..

    When you start your comment with lying spin it’s very hard to take you serious.

    Quoting from the NYTs proves that it’s a Lie.

  20. Quoting from the NYTs proves that it’s a Lie.

    Shoot the messenger lives on.

    If you bothered to read the linked article, Mnucin would have had very little Congressional oversight (a review six months in arrears), just the way the GOP likes it. That’s now been rectified. The opportunity for corruption was just too obvious even for this corrupt administration to get away with.

  21. Congressional over site…… lmao….

    Really Peter it’s been rectified…. lol…

    First off no Bill has Passed so you have NO CLUE second you have NO CLUE how our government works so you’ll believe anything this is how it works.

    As Secretary, Mr. Mnuchin is responsible for the U.S. Treasury, whose mission is to maintain a strong economy, foster economic growth, and create job opportunities by promoting the conditions that enable prosperity at home and abroad. He is also responsible for strengthening national security by combating economic threats and protecting our financial system, as well as managing the U.S. Governments finances.

    Nancy wants to take control of the duties of his job….

    Look the slush fund line is just that a line of bullshit put out there for the ignorant and gullible, don’t feel bad Peter most Americans don’t know how their government works either.

  22. You have literally no clue whatsoever about how corrupt your Trump administration is. Do ya?

    Trump wants to bail out the oil frakkers who have never been profitable, ever, and cannot survive an oil price below $60, but Putin and the Saudis are determined to keep it around $25 for years to come. That “row” between them a couple of weeks ago is a smokescreen to either destroy the US frakkers or put the US government on the hook for enormous subsidies for years to keep them alive. And Trump has taken the bait.

    Trump also wants to bail out the airlines with no conditions, even though they spent $90 billion on share buybacks in recent years and their CEO’s have paid themselves $10 million a year.

    Nothing to see here, please move along.

  23. Peter Peter Peter…… OMG… where to begin.

    Ok well governments are corrupt. This is a revaluation to you ? Were talking Trillions of Dollars no matter who deals it out there is going to be profiteering it sucks but that’s the nature of the beast.

    You support the agenda of the socialist so called green Democrats who wasted billions on failed solar and wind. You could careless if they had a 100 Solindra’s. The Election manipulation they want to put into place is beyond you no offense you would understand if I laid it out for you, but it would take half the page. In the first bill they tried to overturn the Hyde Amendment, in this one they want to overturn the right of the people to bring an unconstitutional law before the Supreme Court this time trying to deny Due Process to 20 States.

    Now if they want to fight for those things and the 20-30 other little wet dream clauses they’re trying to stick in this bill let them fight for them in their own bill’s on those topics.

    This Bill is relief for the American Worker and American Small business as well as the large business. The Dems bailed out the banks and the hedgefunds after they crashed the economy in 08 and the American people were left to rot.

    More people lost their homes and more small businesses went bankrupt than did during the great depression. They proved they did not have the American Public’s best interests as a concern.

    Both Dems and Republicans in the Senate worked out a Compromise with five seperate groups of bipartisan teams working together. It was done and acceptable to all… Until Nancy with the Botox face convinced Schumer to throw the vote because this was the perfect disaster to get everything they can’t get passed through normal legislation.

    They’ve cost people their lives and their livelihoods for their socialist agenda.

  24. oh and as for your laughable kvetch over oil your just pissed because no matter how much you and your ilk kvetch the world still runs on oil…. the blood of the earth given to man for the taking.

    Peter the Russians and the Saudis can play all the games they want it doesn’t matter it doesn’t effect the US. To us it is no longer anything but a commodity to manipulate.

    What Saudi is doing right now has nothing to do with hurting us, just the opposite, it’s done with our blessing.

    While you have kvetched over the Horror of Donald Trump you missed the fact that he and the new Saudi King have reshuffled the deck of the ME. All Nations are now divided by one line. Those with Iran and Those against. The against Arab States are even working hand in hand with the Jews. Russia is under financial/oil attack from Saudi for supporting Iran.

    Oh and those useless frackers have made the United States of America the number one oil and natural gas producing nation in the world and we haven’t even gotten the exportation system online yet.

    Oil and Gas are now more abundant Peter than any other time in history and the boom has just begun…….

  25. You have literally no clue whatsoever about how corrupt your Trump administration is. Do ya?

    Actually Pat does Peter:

    Ok well governments are corrupt.

    But it’s his guy being corrupt so that’s okay.

    Peter the Russians and the Saudis can play all the games they want it doesn’t matter it doesn’t effect the US. To us it is no longer anything but a commodity to manipulate.

    What Saudi is doing right now has nothing to do with hurting us, just the opposite, it’s done with our blessing

    Still pushing the ‘US are energy self sufficient’ myth? The US imported 6% of its oil from SA in 2019:

    https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6

    Ultimately SA dictates to the US, they sell you oil to run your machines & they support your economy with tens of millions of $ of US arms purchases. That’s why a blind eye is turned to Saudi terrorism enabling, why your top guy did a sword dance with people who still hold public decapitations and why he believed a Saudi dissident journalist ‘got into a fistfight’ with fifteen guys who murdered him and then dismembered his body in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

  26. We bought Oil from Saudi because it is the only commodity they export, they in turn gave us back that money by buying Billions of Dollars of Arms.

    It’s the flow of Money Paul. You have it backwards.

    The US IS energy self sufficient BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO BUY OIL FROM COUNTRIES WHOSE ONLY EXPORT IS OIL.

    Pay attention to the clip below

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc&t=23s

  27. The Saudis buy billions in arms from you and dictate the pace. The customer is always right that’ why a blind eye is turned to Saudi terrorism enabling, why your top guy did a sword dance with people who still hold public decapitations and why he believed a Saudi dissident journalist ‘got into a fistfight’ with fifteen guys who murdered him and then dismembered his body in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

    The US IS energy self sufficient BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO BUY OIL FROM COUNTRIES WHOSE ONLY EXPORT IS OIL

    Yeah, the US do it out of philanthnthropy, that’s why 51% of their oil imports came from Canada.

    The fact of the matter is that while the US imports oil it’s not self sufficient. ‘In theory we could be self sufficient if we wanted to’ doesn’t cut it.

  28. Keep telling yourself that Paul it won’t make it any truer….

    oh and the “imported” Canadian Oil is sent here to be refined…….

    play the clip, it’s a scene from a movie but it’s how things work…….

  29. oh and by the way it has been proven the COVID19 was NOT made in a Lab.

    The full gnome has finally been mapped it is a natural virus. Just another Flu.

  30. oh and yesterday Coumo said they needed 30,000 respirators. The president said they have 4000 for them and his response was you pick the 26,000 to die.

    In 2008 the State of NY did a disaster readiness study. The Study singled out that state could NOT handle and epidemic of a SARS type. That the lack of RESPIRATORS and ICU beds would cause them to have to choose who lives and dies…. (death panels)

    In the 12yrs from that report the STATE OF NEW YORK did NOTHING to fix the problem and is now trying to blame their irresponsibility on the President.

  31. Keep telling yourself that Paul it won’t make it any truer….

    No Pat, I’ll keep telling myself it because it’s correct as opposed to the ‘Murica yeah!!’ rubbish that you

    The top five source countries of U.S. gross petroleum imports in 2019 were Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and Colombia.

    They must be exporting oil to the US to refine it too. An absolutely spectacular untruth.

  32. I wouldn’t think that Saudi sales to the US are that relevant here.

    The US is a growing net exporter of energy now, which is the point.

    Even though consistent low oil prices would stifle the growth of US energy exports and put some frackers and their suppliers out of business.

    A major company that I am familiar with got out of the fracking chemical business over two years ago, because they could not see a profitable future at the price environment even back then

  33. I wouldn’t think that Saudi sales to the US are that relevant here

    When the myth that the US is self sufficient on energy is being spun such facts can’t be ignored Phantom.

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