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“MASS PRODUCTION BEGINS ON MONDAY”

By Pete Moore On March 27th, 2020

The Bat-Signal went up. The NHS had blown £134 billion last year on diversity officers, ethically-sourced prayer mats and turning 9 year old Timothy into a eunuch. So there’s nothing left for actual medical stuff. “Help us” they cried.

What’s remains of the British economy heard the call and responded at light speed. Productive capitalists and engineers do that. Maybe we can get around to thanking everyone in the productive economy sometime.

Production begins this Monday on 10,000 ventilators, for the NHS. No profit, they will come at cost. I wonder what the EU Ventilator Procurement Sub-Committee will be doing then? Not making ventilators.

41 Responses to ““MASS PRODUCTION BEGINS ON MONDAY””

  1. Maybe we can get around to thanking everyone in the productive economy sometime.

    You can thank the state too.

  2. “No profit, they will come at cost.”

    So the tax payer will be paying for them.

  3. FewsOrange, on March 27th, 2020 at 6:13 PM Said:
    “No profit, they will come at cost.”
    So the tax payer will be paying for them.

    Well duh?

    The tax payer pays for everything.

    Do you live in a cave?

  4. “Production begins this Monday on 10,000 ventilators,”

    Nicely illustrating why the command economy is utter shite.

    In normal circumstances, you have about a 50% chance of survival if you are placed on a ventilator. Then assuming you are discharged, long term survival rate of 30% of about 1 year.

    When you have a condition that attacks the lungs and blocks the airways, ventilators are not only useless, but risk damaging further the structure of the lungs.

    The ventilator mainia, was driven by the ignorant ‘fuckwits’ at the BBC who know nothing but how to spread panic.

  5. When you have a condition that attacks the lungs and blocks the airways, ventilators are not only useless, but risk damaging further the structure of the lungs.

    But considerably more useful than NHS diversity officers.

  6. So it’s not thousands of highly skilled healthcare professionals demanding ventilators to help them carry out their duties, it’s just BBC fake alarmist paranoia. Jeez some people will sink to any desperate lengths to flog their own particular hobby horses 😖

  7. When you have a condition that attacks the lungs and blocks the airways, ventilators are not only useless, but risk damaging further the structure of the lungs

    Reports have suggested that in some instances there can be a risk of ventilator-associated lung injury:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12559881

    However, to the first point from the same paper:

    Mechanical ventilation is indispensable in support of patients with respiratory failure who are critically ill

    I’ll go with the medically qualified.

  8. When seatbelts were first Made mandatory in new cars, the usual knuckleheads would often say that seatbelts were unsafe ( yes they did )

    I guess now they’re saying that ventilators are unsafe

    These conspiracy guys are the best.

  9. Guns are safe, though,

  10. Can someone please explain exactly what is going on here?

    Yes, quite easily. Michel Chossudovsky is a mooncat.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/global-research/

  11. Only Republican guns Frank, not Democrat ones 😉

  12. Guns have human rights

    People, less so

  13. When you have a condition that attacks the lungs and blocks the airways, ventilators are not only useless, but risk damaging further the structure of the lungs.

    This is confortably the stupidest, most ignorant comment I’ve seen about coronavirus. And that’s saying something. Throwing in a bit of gratuitous BBC bashing for good measure.

    When you have a condition that causes respiratory failure, supporting respiration is the only way to keep them alive.

    Thankfully this is not controversial among the thousands of pulmonary physicians, respiratory therapists and other medics who actually look after these patients.

  14. Colm,

    So it’s not thousands of highly skilled healthcare professionals demanding ventilators to help them carry out their duties, it’s just BBC fake alarmist paranoia. Jeez some people will sink to any desperate lengths to flog their own particular hobby horses 😖

    You should know by now Colm, that expertise in a particular field, years of research and mountains of evidence, are all just bollocks when it comes to ATW armchair expertise.

  15. The Comment that apl Has just made should be preserved for all the ages of man, and placed in a museum of fake news in a prominent place

    If you shared that comment with a medical professional, they would think that it was a joke of some kind

  16. Hew.

    Colm can thank his lucky stars this is not “mass thinking starts on Monday”

    For he wants absolutely no part in it.

    😏

  17. *phew

  18. Harri

    My only wish is to ascend to your level of thinking, or have I got ascend and descend mixed up ? 😉

  19. Colm.

    Don’t bother.

    Some things, apart from double entendres, are beyond your reach.

    Give it up, you are a lost cause.

    No offence intended.

    It’s just the luck of the draw.

  20. Colm, on March 28th, 2020 at 5:03 PM Said:
    Harri
    My only wish is to ascend to your level of thinking, or have I got ascend and descend mixed up ? 😉

    Colm.

    Again, no offence, but it’s plainly obvious you tend to get most things mixed up.

  21. “This is confortably the stupidest, most ignorant comment I’ve seen …”

    But for people who don’t get their information from reruns of ER, accurate.

    Of the 200 patients, at discharge 143 patients (71.5%) had died.

  22. Apl

    And if they hadn’t been ventilated all 200 would have died.

  23. Of the 200 patients, at discharge 143 patients (71.5%) had died.

    Indeed. Medical treatment ‘in a tertiary care centre in India’ is comparable?

    As it stated in the article you linked to:

    Mechanical ventilation is an essential life support given to many patients in the intensive care unit

  24. COVID-19 appears to cause the bronchial tubes to become congested and restrict the flow of air, at the same time the alvioli fill up with fluid, the result being you can’t force air in to the lungs. Which is what intubation and a ventilator attempts to do.

    If you try, you’ll probably tear the lung tissue and assist the patient to drown in his/her own blood.

    An outcome even the vehicle mechanics on ATW probably wouldn’t want.

  25. COVID-19 appears to cause the bronchial tubes to become congested and restrict the flow of air

    Doesn’t all forms of flu do the exact same thing?

  26. Paul Mc Mahone; ” Medical treatment ‘in a tertiary care centre in India’ is comparable?”

    Decides not to ignore the unfortunate, but casual racism.

  27. “This is confortably the stupidest, most ignorant comment I’ve seen …”

    But for people who don’t get their information from reruns of ER, accurate.

    Of the 200 patients, at discharge 143 patients (71.5%) had died.

    No, it is still stupid and ignorant.

    Firstly, you’re quoting a two-decades old study from India. It is both out of date and barely applicable to conditions in the UK.

    Secondly, it is a study of critically ill patients. Did it occur to you what the mortality would be in an identical patient cohort who had received no ventilation? Hint: a figure close to 100%. Or do you not think that an almost 30% survival rate is better than 0%?

    Thirdly, quoting from the study you link to:

    Patients with type I respiratory failure were found to have a higher mortality (40%) as compared with 17% with type II failure.

    Guess what? COVID-19 patients suffer from type II failure, not type I. Quoting again from that study:

    the factors that had prognostic significance on outcome were type I respiratory failure, use of inotropes, and the APACHE II score.

    Inotropes are drugs employed to alter heart rhythm. The APACHE II score is a measure of mortality risk due to pre-existing conditions. In other words, the factors that predict how well a patient does under ventilation are a) whether they already had a heart condition; and b) how sick they were before they needed ventilation.

    That has also proved true for COVID-19 patients.

    The simple truth is that a patient who needs mechanical ventilation will die without it. They’re still very sick if they get it, but at least they have a chance of survival.

    Extrapolating that into your statement that ventilators are, quote, ‘useless’, is pure idiocy.

  28. COVID-19 appears to cause the bronchial tubes to become congested and restrict the flow of air, at the same time the alvioli fill up with fluid, the result being you can’t force air in to the lungs. Which is what intubation and a ventilator attempts to do.

    If you try, you’ll probably tear the lung tissue and assist the patient to drown in his/her own blood.

    Yeah, you *really* don’t know what you’re talking about. By the time a patient needs ventilation for pneumonia they are already really sick, but as literally any qualified anaesthetist or intensivist will tell you, it is COMPLETELY NORMAL THERAPY in such cases.

  29. Harri, on March 28th, 2020 at 5:41 PM Said:

    COVID-19 appears to cause the bronchial tubes to become congested and restrict the flow of air
    Doesn’t all forms of flu do the exact same thing?

  30. Yes.

    Apparently it does..

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bronchitis/

  31. Decides not to ignore the unfortunate, but casual racism.

    Yup, I knew some smartarse would try it.

    Is a fifteen year old study in medical care in the third world comparable with that in Europe & the USA today?

  32. COVID-19 appears to cause the bronchial tubes to become congested and restrict the flow of air Doesn’t all forms of flu do the exact same thing?

    Oh god, Harri, are you back to this ‘it’s just the flu’ crap?

    Last year, about 1% of patients who contracted flu develop pneumonia serious enough to require hospital treatment. With COVID-19 it is much, much higher.

  33. Yes.

    Apparently it does..

    https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/bronchitis/

    The fact that you apparently can’t tell the difference between bronchitis and pneumonia is not a great advertisement for your competence in these matters.

  34. Oh god, Harri, are you back to this ‘it’s just the flu’ crap?

    Nope.

    Where have I previously stated Covid-19 is “just the flu crap”?

    I haven’t.

    Stop making shut up masterson, although it becomes you, stop it anyway.

    Harri, on March 28th, 2020 at 5:41 PM Said:
    COVID-19 appears to cause the bronchial tubes to become congested and restrict the flow of air
    Doesn’t all forms of flu do the exact same thing?

    My question was..again.

    Well?

  35. Oh god, Harri, are you back to this ‘it’s just the flu’ crap?

    So, I’m back to the Covid-19 virus is just the flu crap am I?

    Masterson.

    Prove it?

    Please be my guest.

    Show us mere mortals where I have previously posted that Covid-19 is “just the flu”

    You can’t, so STFU.

  36. Flu often (but not always) causes bronchial congestion. It rarely does to the extent that a patient requires hospital treatment, however.

    What is the relevance of the question? It is also established beyond doubt that COVID-19 is a far more severe and dangerous illness than influenza.

  37. Stop making shit up masterson, although it becomes you, stop it anyway.

  38. Show us mere mortals where I have previously posted that Covid-19 is “just the flu”

    You can’t, so STFU.

    Then why are you asking ‘doesn’t the flu do that?’ It has bugger-all relevance to the topic in hand.

  39. masterson, on March 28th, 2020 at 6:20 PM Said:
    Flu often (but not always) causes bronchial congestion. It rarely does to the extent that a patient requires hospital treatment, however.
    What is the relevance of the question? It is also established beyond doubt that COVID-19 is a far more severe and dangerous illness than influenza.

    Whatever..

    Now, please point to my previous posts “Covid-19 is just the flu”…crap.

    Good luck, oh all knowing oracle.

  40. Then why are you asking ‘doesn’t the flu do that?’ It has bugger-all relevance to the topic in hand.

    Stop wriggling.

    Answer the question.

    Can you, or can you not, post any previous comment I have ever made, that Covid-19 is “just the flu”

    ?

    Good luck.

  41. masterson.

    Sorry, was the question too difficult?

    Or at last have you really STFU?