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THE LAST 24 HOURS

By Pete Moore On April 1st, 2020

563 people in the UK were killed by China in the last 24 hours.

727 people in Italy were killed by China in the last 24 hours.

864 people in Spain were killed by China in the last 24 hours.

The American numbers will be grim when they come out.

There can be no going back. There can be no business as usual when this is done. Do not allow the propagandists tell you any different. China must be ostracised and boycotted by the civilised world for its awful crimes.

82 Responses to “THE LAST 24 HOURS”

  1. I note that a China have lifted all restrictions on their barbaric wet-markets.

    It’s business as usual.

    “We learn from history that we do not learn from history.”
    ― Georg Hegel

  2. When this is over the world will be a different place. It may not last a long time, but it will be a different place.

  3. How many people has america killed in the last 24 hours because of the smoking they introduced?

  4. The problem is no one knows what the civilized world will look like at the other end of this mess. Hungary for example has essentially given up its democracy. I suspect China will face little censure for its misdeeds, and I suspect China suspects that as well.

  5. For better or worse, China is a big part of the world economy now.

    You can’t cut them off abruptly.

    You can encourage US and European multinationals to reduce their dependency on China, a thing that already is slowly happening already.

    What appears to be gross incompetence and sneakiness on the part of the Chinese government made what would have been a manageable problem into a huge problem for the world. They deserve to pay a price, but I don’t know how to make that happen.

  6. As previously shown, COV is the flu – but Paul at 7.01pm is correct:

    The only conceivable way to understand what we are seeing with the Coronavirus situation, where we are probably going to see the total collapse of the Western world as a result of people being afraid of getting the flu and dying, is mass hysteria.

    This explains why so many people who should know better are going along with it. It explains why no one is thinking about the consequences of their actions. These people are all in a state of panicked delusion, which is feeding itself like an ouroboros as they feed on each other’s fear and see each other confirming their own psychotic delusions.

    The people inside of the hysteria are completely incapable of seeing outside of it. They will not see reason, they will not look at the actual numbers. Everything in their entire being is about continuing to feed the collective madness. There is occasionally anger when people point out how completely insane this all is, but it is more likely to simply not be heard. If you say something that goes against the delusion, it just doesn’t seem to register with them. You can mention in conversation that it looks like the Coronavirus mortality rate is no different than any other flu virus, and they will not even acknowledge that you’ve said that and just keep on talking about how we’re all doomed.

    In the worst (best?) case scenario, the government prints so much money over the next couple of years to try and dig out of this hole they dug themselves into that it does create a Ron Paul style inflation death spiral and the country literally breaks apart. I’m not going to preach that doom scenario, but legitimately, this is an event that will change our lives more than any event in history has ever changed the lives of people in a society. And no one is talking or apparently even thinking about that. We hear nods about “the economy,” but no one is saying that in real terms that means virtually everyone’s life is going to be completely destroyed. There are not going to be any jobs, and a massive share of the population will not have money to pay rent or buy food. There aren’t any easy solutions to this, because our economy is so ridiculous to begin with. The likelihood is that by summertime, you will know what it is like to wait in a line to be given government food. You might well also experience being forced to live in a drug and crime ridden government housing project.

    I don’t want to preach the same kind of doom the Corona Doom Cultists are preaching, but you must understand: this is very, very bad. And there is no possibility that when this is over, and the daze of hysteria clears, that your life will resemble what it was before this.

    All because people were afraid of the flu.

    So who are dying?

    https://terroronthetube.co.uk/corona/is-there-a-cv-pandemic/

    Official government stats show a staggering DROP in mortality as the CV-19 allegedly ‘hit’ Britain in mid-January.
    Five thousand LESS people died from then onwards – January to March of this year – as compared with the previous five years.
    the data comes from

    https://www.ons.gov.uk

    and the page is called
    ALL DEATHS IN ENGLAND AND WALES (All cause mortality) by week, comparing 2020 with the previous 5 years
    Here is a bar-chart of these total deaths, November 2019 to March 2020. So for each week, the Office of National Statistics has very helpfully taken the same seven days over the previous 5 years, and averaged them together – so one can see if this year’s is better or worse.

    I looked at the link and I came across something more interesting:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending20march2020

    3. Deaths registered by week

    Figure 1: The number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased, while the number of deaths from “Influenza and Pneumonia” decreased compared with the previous week

    As was shown, Coronavirus is included with other respiratory viruses in a research program in 2015 Glasgow, duly cited by Dr Wolfgang Wodarg:

    https://dailystormer.su/coronavirus-is-literally-just-the-flu/

    Here we have a German doctor, the awesomely named Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, explaining that Coronavirus is literally the flu. Not “a flu,” but “THE flu.”

    He explains that every year, there are over 100 different respiratory viruses that cause what we label “the flu,” and that these viruses constantly change every year to avoid the human immune system, and that one of the classes of these viruses is Coronavirus. I didn’t know this, but it is true.

    He cites a study in Scotland that took place from 2005 to 2013, where they did mass tests on the various forms of winter virus that cause the flu, and found that 7-15% of flu cases are caused by Coronaviruses. Or at least that was the case in Glasgow from 2005 to 2013.

    As one sees from Figure 1,

    https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/116/52/27142/F1.large.jpg

    in the collectivity of respiratory viruses, COV is just one of them so when COV is more prevalent, the others are less prevalent hence the decline in ‘Influenza and Pneumonia’ because COV has been taken out of the collective in which it belongs. It’s a nice sleight-of-hand which dupes the dupes and gives us this mass-panic of which I am an observer and not a participant.

  7. its not a mass panic allan its an orderly stand still while we wait for the curve to flatten
    simple stuff if you’re grounded in reality, why you’re exposed is because you never were grounded in reality anyway , a 100 links won’t change that fact mister
    follow the bell curves , don’t follow bell-ends best help can give to you ..

    bottom right, watch that over next few months you’ll see the shape and curve flatten

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

  8. USA hardest hit looks like , 2million and therefore 200k deaths seems very accurate
    horrible news, and now with babies dying and 13 year olds, can take nothing for granted
    I personally don’t think the effects long term will be as catastrophic as some suggest
    people will go back to work , business will recover , its the nature of supply / demand and growth . the good lord made it that way , so much is free like food is grown , needs water and sun that free, and animals to eat , free also aside from the feed and the land .. ame with raw materials, free as the earth is plentiful. the harvest is gods plan and it is good
    where it fucks up is humans and greed. I’m more worried that if trump got in again and the top 1% owning virtually everything, the people will have to revolt like communist russia of old
    thats why even though unelectable, USA needs turning over , its devastating the rich/poor gap

  9. I just typed in

    It’s a nice sleight-of-hand which dupes the dupes and

    and along comes ‘kurt’. Tremendous stuff indeed 🙂

  10. As I recall at the beginning of the Ebola outbreak the US (any other countries?) sent teams to the areas of origin and stopped the spread of the deadly disease. Had China been honest it could have admitted their problem and other countries could have done similar to what happened with Ebola and contained the coronavirus at the point of origin. Why China did not do so is an important question that needs to be answered.

  11. NY
    hindsight is wonderful, but with Ebola its known to us, action can happen fast.
    with this new one, no-one knew how deadly it is, but yes questions need answers

    expected that reply allan, you stay in you all-knowing bubble of no-dupes , fine by me
    I’ll stick with science and curves and standard deviation, poisson distrubution models

  12. where it fucks up is humans and greed. I’m more worried that if trump got in again and the top 1% owning virtually everything, the people will have to revolt like communist russia of old

    Kurt.

    Why does Trump trigger you so much?

  13. Phantom, on April 1st, 2020 at 11:36 PM Said:

    For better or worse, China is a big part of the world economy now.
    You can’t cut them off abruptly

    Unfortunately you are correct Phantom.

    But at some point, somehow, China simply must face massive retribution for what they have once again inflicted on the world.

    I’m pretty certain that once this is over, and the worlds nations can collect their thoughts together, it won’t require anyone to organise any mass protests towards China, it will come naturally.

    This time China will pay a huge price one way or another.

  14. for the reasons given harri, if you took the time to read instead of react old chum

  15. Kurt.

    You accuse others on a very regular basis, that certain things cause them to be “triggered” and appear to take immense delight in “letting them know”?

    Do you think the same applies to you and the name “Trump”?

  16. kurt, on April 1st, 2020 at 11:48 PM Said:

    its not a mass panic allan

    kurt, on April 1st, 2020 at 11:55 PM Said:

    USA hardest hit looks like , 2million and therefore 200k deaths seems very accurate
    horrible news, and now with babies dying and 13 year olds, can take nothing for granted

    OH MY GOD – WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! 🙂

    kurt – your ‘flatten the curve’ piece: you do realise that these are manufactured phrases for absorption by simpletons? You moan of the top 1%….

    and the top 1% owning virtually everything,

    and yet you support this top 0.0001% taking Gates as an example…..

    https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bill-gates-calls-for-a-digital-certificate-to-identify-who-is-vaccinated/

    Bill Gates recently stated on Reddit that “digital certificates” will be used to identify who received the upcoming COVID-19 vaccine. And these certificates will also be used to identify who can conduct business or not. Here’s how this plan is already backed by a massive organization called ID2020.

  17. Ireland should have ostracised and boycotted the United States for the awful crime of releasing the phytophthora infestans that caused the potato blight and famine in Ireland and the resultant deaths.

    But the Irish are a forgiving people and our sole revenge on the US was dumping Patrick’s ancestors on them.

  18. It’s just been claimed on live TV from the Palace of Moncloa that ‘the curve’ here has stabilised.

    Now, I obviously don’t have the data of what they’re attributing this to but that’s what’s just been stated.

  19. But at some point, somehow, China simply must face massive retribution for what they have once again inflicted on the world

    Whilst I don’t nessecarily disagree with the sentiment I’d be interested in seeing what form this retribution will take.

  20. I don’t think there will be retribution on China. The overwhelming feeling amongst all populations is simply the desire for this to be dealt with and for life to return as before. Once everyone is back at work play and routine they will simply feel relieved and there will be no desire for vengeance on any group or country.

  21. Actually the potato does not come from the United States

    Blame Peru!

  22. tsk tsk tsk…..

    Unless this is a man made virus China’s killed no one, a cold has.

    China is still going to pay but it will be a slow steady payment. Since before Trump was elected he has pushed that we must incentivise companies to return their manufacturing to the US. This disease just drove that point home on a scale greater than any political speeches could ever do.

    There is profit in chaos.

    The profit here is political.

    The past 3 years Trump has used financial incentives as the leverage for a chinese exodus of our manufacturing, and it was working. Add to that how they handled this problem and they’ve cut their own throats while at the sametime giving Trump a hammer to beat them with over the next 4 years and guaranteeing Trumps reelection.

  23. Oh and the Indians of North America are responsible for tobacco and I believe that group of people have been thoroughly punished.

  24. The problem with China is not just that They made this problem 100 times worse by not being open in the crucial early weeks about it,. How they lied to their own people and to the world then.

    The problem is that they allowed those idiotic wet markets to be open, When they knew that those markets were a problem . Without the wet markets, nothing would’ve happened.

    If any of those markets remain open going forward, this is going to happen again. And that’s the problem with China Going forward. They have to change their ways, end of.

    And it would be nice if they stopped making up conspiracy stories about the US military dropping the germ in Wuhan.
    These lies have been criticized by both Mr. Trump and by Mr. Johnson.

  25. The past 3 years Trump has used financial incentives as the leverage for a chinese exodus of our manufacturing, and it was working.

    That financial leverage didn’t work so well when he asked the Chinese to investigate his political rival and they refused.

  26. The reports are the wet market’s are all open.

  27. That financial leverage didn’t work so well when he asked the Chinese to investigate his political rival and they refused.

    lmao….

  28. “ Chinese exitus of our manufacturing “

    Huh ?

    What financial incentives are these? I never heard about that

    Some US manufacturers have stepped back from China because Chinese wages had been increasing

    And some I believe are stepping back out of a wish to diversify.

    I don’t think that India or Vietnam have government policies to steal technology, while China Has had that as a policy

  29. I lost my secure, well-paying manufacturing job to free trade with the People’s Republic of China, and all I got was this damn virus that killed Grandma — and shut down even the lousy, ­insecure service-industry gig the Chinese had left me.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/post-corona-the-working-class-will-blow-a-gasket-over-chinese-trade/

  30. yes yes Phantom no reinvestment into America has taken place over the past 3 years….

  31. You still don’t know how to read, you are not addressing what I have said

    There has been some return of manufacturing to the United States; It didn’t begin with your Republican Savior, And it’s should not be exaggerated

  32. lmao….

    Laugh away. It won’t change fact.

    Some US manufacturers have stepped back from China because Chinese wages had been increasing

    Ultimately that’ll be the bottom line Phantom. If China can keep production costs low that’s where manufacturers will go in order to maximise profit.

  33. Yes china has big advantages

    But so does a fairly big country like Vietnam

    If India ever got his act together, they could be a huge competitor to China

  34. /Actually the potato does not come from the United States/

    I said the disease, not the potato – the blight, which apparently did come from the US. I think (going on memory here) it started in Kansas, then spread quickly to New England states, from where it was brought to central Europe in seed potatoes. The blight was then a big problem in Europe, but it was only when it spread to Ireland, where the spud was the staple of the people’s diet and where most of the population had no money to buy other food – and where the “government” refused to – that it turned into a real disaster.

    The history of trade in crops is fascinating. Did you know that most French wines – especially the best ones – actually come from American grapes?
    There was a big disease across French vineyards in the 18th C, which more or less wiped out the entire crop for a season or two. Vineyards in the US weren’t affected, so Yankee vines were brought over and cultivated.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iI8tMHrD_c

  35. Wrong Phantom.

    There was no push for the return of manufacturing to the US before Trump.

    “Those jobs are gone forever” “What’s he gonna do wave a magic wand?”

    to quote your idol

  36. Toyota Has been a major manufacturer in Ohio for quite a few decades now

    Mercedes opened a huge plant in Alabama 25 years ago , It has been exporting from there all that time

    Before you speak on the subject you may wish to do the slightest amount of research on it; I could give 100 more examples

    On showering is a bit of a trend; I have not seen any evidence that it has increased over the last three years, The number of jobs is of course impacted by the high degree of automation these days

  37. It is a bit of a trend, Oh well come on, but it’s not new

  38. Sorry sorry about the auto correct

    It is a trend that is not new

  39. harri, thrump’s ( armagh country accent )is a phat phuck conman, pervert , thief, failed businessman, racist piece of shit , BUT its what he SAYS that triggers anyone with a pulse or a brain, or is capable of critical thought.

    Noel I appreciated your witty comment on the potato 🙂
    twas well crafted – evidence of thinking on display + humour

  40. so Phantom you are denying the shift of reinvestment of corporations in the last 3 years and instead are citing auto manufacturers which were brought here for completely different reasons….. really ?

    You have a very convoluted view.

  41. Patrick Van Roy, on April 2nd, 2020 at 12:41 PM Said:
    The reports are the wet market’s are all open.

    Yes, the wet-markets have been given the green light to reopen in earnest.

    But I do believe that the Chinese government have banned the practice of boiling dogs, cats & kittens alive.

    How very decent of them.

    The inhuman barbaric savages.

  42. lmao

  43. pat its always the same, look back 50 years, GOP bankrupt the nation of USA and Dems come in and pick it up again . examples are Bill Clinton and Barack Obama,
    Trump picked up a healthy-ish economy and has 4 years to send it down the crapper
    I’m sure it’ll be the best crash ever though, breaking records and huge numbers.

  44. harri, thrump’s ( armagh country accent )is a phat phuck conman, pervert , thief, failed businessman, racist piece of shit , BUT its what he SAYS that triggers anyone with a pulse or a brain, or is capable of critical thought.

    It’s just about every word Mayor Khan passes through his lying lips that I criticise. The man is a lying virtue signalling waste of perfectly good oxygen mendacious duplicitous oaf.

    But you think it’s his name that “triggers” those that are capable of critical thought?

  45. well harri and you never quote his comments, yes one would assume so

    put something up that has you all hot and bothered, lets take a look eh

    offer it to the floor, maybe do a thread hey, or are you too lazy

    send to pat or petem, they need people to volunteer , said so many time

    still waiting on your thread for london gangs, might as well combine it with something

    about Khan , Harri you can do this, get blooded in mate, we all have.

  46. Kurt

    Trump has failed at business many times in the past, And has Harmed others while doing so, including those who bought the bonds that supported the construction of the Taj Mahal hotel in Atlantic City, etc.

    But I suspect that he is in big financial trouble again now mm

    His brand used to be something that attracted people; now it is a brand that repels people. Some of his hotels have had low occupancy rates before the recent crisis, they lost events such as wedding receptions That used to come to his hotels and golf clubs. Because his name was so completely toxic to many of the guests

    But the hotel business in particular is in terrible shape right now. I hear reports of 90% empty rooms etc. And there would be no wedding receptions for the foreseeable future, And probably many fewer golf events if any

    I won’t be surprised if he is in financial trouble, along with any of his co investors. And since the Trump organization is private and secretive, they won’t tell people about it until they have to

  47. Citing auto manufacturers which were brought here for completely different reasons….. really ?

    What completely different reasons? Auto manufacturing plants create employment and boost the economy. Are you attempting to deny that?

  48. put something up that has you all hot and bothered, lets take a look eh

    “It’s all the Tory cuts fault”

    Yawn.

  49. Kurt

    Sadiq Khan spent £83,000,000 on PR and bureaucratic machinery at City Hall.

    Sadiq Khan is in control of Met Police budget.

    Knife crime is out of control

    “It’s nothing to do with me, it’s the Tory cuts”

  50. Kurt.

    How about Sadiq Khans “pledges” in his manifesto?

    I will tell you exactly what Sadiq Khans manifesto was.

    A compilation of the lies.

  51. The reasons for onshoring by non US companies have not changed fundamentally, other than a general disquiet about China.

    Siemens, Airbus, others have invested in manufacturing in the US for many decades.

    Some of us are unaware of this, but it is true.

  52. Is there anything that Pat ever says that the RNC cheerleaders would not say?

    This is just blind Hannity-ism.

  53. Harri & Kurt,

    Why are you having a conversation about the Mayor of a place that neither of you live in?

  54. Paul

    Some of my family do.

    London is 33 miles away from me.

    Trump is 5000 miles away from Kurt.

  55. The difference of course with Trump H is that he’s the top dog of the superpower on the globe and what he does has the potential to affect an awful, awful, awful lot of people in it.

  56. I agree Paul.

    Trump has been in office for a tad over 3 years.

    Who has Trump harmed so far, I’m open to being educated on this.

    Take drone strikes on enemy and innocents.

    Barrack Obama use of drone strikes makes Trumps drone strikes appear as insignificant.

  57. Trump betrayed the Kurds and he is in the process of turning Afghanistan over to the Taliban.

    Imagine what he and his sychophants toadies and lackeys would have said if Obama had done anything like that.

  58. I didn’t say he’s harmed anyone H. I said his actions have the potential to affect an awful, awful, awful lot of people in the world.

  59. Phantom.

    I’m open to be educated here…

    Nothing in this world is certain except death, taxes, and America betraying the Kurds.

    THE U.S. IS NOW BETRAYING THE KURDS FOR THE EIGHTH TIME

    https://theintercept.com/2019/10/07/kurds-syria-turkey-trump-betrayal/

  60. Inaction in the early days of the virus, and the public dismissing of its severity by Trump will cause tens of thousands and maybe more do die unnecessarily.

    We have been poorly led, and very many innocents will suffer and die unnecessarily because of it.

    The facts speak for themselves. This is what history will say.

    God bless Fauci. We would be worse off if not for him.

  61. I see Slovakia are doing particularly well coping with Covid-19.

    One recorded death so far.

  62. President Trump called the biggest test of his Presidency wrong then..

    I agree, it will define him above all else.

    The government’s top infectious-disease -expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, called the feds’ testing program “a failing,” but it was hardly the only one. Trump’s team ignored an alarming shortfall of basic medical supplies, like masks, hospital beds and -ventilators—necessary to handle an expected surge of patients requiring -hospitalization—and tussled with governors, who were begging the White House to release federal funds to aid in preparation efforts. Trump brushed aside the mess. Asked on March 13 if he accepted -responsibility for the testing debacle, he uttered seven words that could come to define his presidency. “No,” he said, “I don’t take -responsibility at all.”

    https://time.com/5805683/trump-administration-coronavirus/

  63. ” The buck stops here ” said Harry Truman.

    Many serious mistakes and bad actions have been made, not only by him.

    Let’s do the best we can now.

    But all of us need to learn from this. US governors, and other countries also.

    Stay safe.

  64. I see Slovakia are doing particularly well coping with Covid-19.

    One recorded death so far

    That’s great. I hope it lessens too.

    I see that there are a surprising number of countries with 0 recorded deaths, Latvia, Kuwait, Vietnam, Bermuda etc:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/countries-where-coronavirus-has-spread/

  65. Bermuda is really tiny, about 65,000 people. I talk to people there every day.

    They closed their airport to all normal passenger flights for two weeks. They’re truly alone in the Atlantic now.

  66. According to the data above there are only five recorded deaths in South Africa. In a population of almost 60,000,000 that’s an incredible number.

  67. Wow

    There is a lot that we don’t understand about this beast yet

  68. Paul

    I assume they are also recording the Townships in that figure?
    If so, that truly is incredible.

  69. I assume they are also recording the Townships in that figure?

    If they’re in South Africa I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t?

  70. I assume they are also recording the Townships in that figure?

    How would/could data be collected from such places? The only reason why South Africa has anything at all is because whites are there in dwindling numbers, and the place is going down the toilet. Sweden took no restrictive measures because the police would be unwilling to even attempt to enforce lockdown on the 3rd-world influx that Swedes need for their pensions etc.

    I see that “Eddie Large dead: Little and Large comedian dies aged 78 after contracting coronavirus”

    That’d be the Eddie Large who had a heart transplant in 2003, was suffering from heart failure and apparently “contracted coronavirus whilst in hospital where he was being treated for heart failure”.

    OK – coronavirus death

  71. //According to the data above there are only five recorded deaths in South Africa. In a population of almost 60,000,000 that’s an incredible number.//

    Those kind of comparisions would tell us something only if the first infections happened at more or less the same time and to the same degree. But they didn’t.

    International comparisions really show only that the countries that seem to be having a good time of it are almost always countries that relatively few people visit.
    Whereas crowds flock to Italy, Spain, the US, France, the UK etc.

    This for me is one of the clearest things about the spread of the virus. Just look at the countries of the former Yugoslavia – the tiny, but developed and open, Slovenia has more cases than the total of Serbia, Montenegro, N Macedonia, Bosnia and (the outsider) Albania combined, where practically nobody ever goes.

    A more crass comparision is the states of the former West and East Germany. The former see by far the most business and tourist travel, and now account for over 72,000 of the 80,000 cases in Germany. The former E. German states are still (after 30 years!) relatively underdeveloped and have together only 5700 cases.

  72. Germany is interesting and does not want to be left behind in the numbers-game:

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    In a German retirement and nursing home for people with advanced dementia, 15 test-positive people have died. However, „surprisingly many people have died without showing symptoms of corona.“ A German medical specialist informs us: „From my medical point of view, there is some evidence that some of these people may have died as a result of the measures taken. People with dementia get into high stress when major changes are made to their everyday lives: isolation, no physical contact, possibly hooded staff.“ Nevertheless, the deceased are counted as „corona deaths“ in German and international statistics. In connection with the „corona crisis“, it is now also possible to die of an illness without even having its symptoms.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20200330082928/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/coronavirus-news-deutschland-wolfsburg-laschet-1.4828033

    Wolfsburg hat stark mit der Coronavirus-Pandemie zu kämpfen. In einem Wolfsburger Alters- und Pflegeheim sind in der vergangenen Woche 15 Menschen nach einer Covid-19-Erkrankung gestorben. Von etwa 165 Bewohnern der kirchlichen Einrichtung seien 72 infiziert, sagte der Leiter des Wolfsburger Gesundheitsamts, Friedrich Habermann, am Samstag. Für das Heim mit oft hochgradig dementen Menschen sei die Situation extrem schwierig, erklärte Wolfsburgs Oberbürgermeister Klaus Mohrs (SPD): “Wir stehen aber erst am Anfang der Entwicklung. Das wird für uns alle noch eine sehr, sehr harte Zeit.” Überraschend viele Menschen seien verstorben, ohne dass sie Symptome von Corona gezeigt hätten.

  73. Noel

    Good comment

    Those kind of comparisions would tell us something only if the first infections happened at more or less the same time and to the same degree. But they didn’t.

    And as said, few have been tested, and there would be people in North Dakota etc who have it now and who do not know that they have it.

  74. Those kind of comparisions would tell us something only if the first infections happened at more or less the same time and to the same degree. But they didn’t

    There are many variables to be taken into consideration Noel. For example both Gibraltar & the Vatican are recorded above as having 0 cases and even though that are small areas they are in the thick of the worst affected places on earth.

    I don’t know when or what the rate of infection was in SA, I still think that single figures of death in such a large population is pretty incredible.

  75. There have been cases in Gibraltar

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/gibraltar

  76. There have been cases in Vatican City

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2020-04/covid-19-one-new-case-registered-in-vatican.html

    Assume that there are cases everywhere

  77. The stats above are for recorded deaths Phantom. My mistake for sloppy typing.

    Isn’t this a bit insane?

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said religious services conducted in churches, synagogues and houses of worship are “essential business” and therefore exempt from this stay-at-home executive order announced this afternoon.

    https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-01-20-intl/h_b2d27eeaa15e3e082511fb168c63575d?fbclid=IwAR140I7vhENg5UB4dJJ9Af1xeD_I49rU2w6eDv2yGrX1zJiyWw4HQ-01VqE

  78. The Florida governor is a complete idiot

    And anyone who attends a large religious gathering isn’t serving God in any way- quite the opposite.

    Pray where you are, go to the service when things improve.

  79. Surely the South African figures simply show it has taken longer to get a hold there. Just as Italy was first in Europe. I don’t think there is any mystery.

  80. The Florida governor is a complete idiot

    He should get on very well with Colm then..

    Colm… touché!

  81. Perhaps Colm but what’s the explanation for Gib & the Vatican who are both very close to the eye of the storm with no recorded deaths?

    Surely devine intervention because one’s an oasis of Brit civility in a sea of Latin Europe while God’s top man on earth lives in the other?

  82. Paul

    I think it is all to do with the the whole ‘touchy-feely’ theory of transmission. Gibraltarians being British arent into all that kissy kissy nonsense and devoted piety ensures all those priests choirboys and altar boys in the Vatican never touch each other I’m sure 😉