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Fauci’s advice the day of the first American CASE of Chicom Flu being reported

By Patrick Van Roy On April 3rd, 2020

112 Responses to “Fauci’s advice the day of the first American CASE of Chicom Flu being reported”

  1. The Prof.Neil Ferguson advised the U.K. government the exact same same thing.

    I’m surprised they listened to him, seeming as he has previously been incorrect, on well, just about everything?

  2. The first death in the US from the disease was February 29th, not in January. You really have to make at least a minimum effort to get your facts right. Fauci’s personal security has had to be beefed up due to right wing threats so this type of post is overdue from ATW’s right world crowd.

  3. Yes, the Alex Jones element at ATW is kicking into gear for reasons known best to their psychiatrists

    In January, Dr Fauci didn’t know what he knows now, since China was concealing the human to human transmission at that time I think.

  4. Who is Alex Jones?

  5. Who is Allan?

  6. Correct Phantom. The CDC held that position then as well.

  7. Who is Alex Jones?

    Phantom.

    Are you a fanboy?

    I’m only asking because you seem to mention whoever Alex Jones is rather often?

    Do you admire him?..or something?

  8. Yes, I ” admire ” him.

    As I ” admire ” the presidential candidate who appeared on his show.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=26233

  9. Weak post, part of the crazy agenda.

  10. Phantom.

    No offence my friend, but I’m pretty sure the only person Phantom admires…is Phantom?

    😏

  11. Pete Moore, on November 25th, 2011 at 1:18 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Phantom –

    Of course I know of Alex Jones. Anyone who doesn’t limit himself to that half inch gap of opinion between which exists Mitt Romney and H. Clinton probably has heard of him.

    Clearly Alex Jones is not a bad man, whatever you think of him.

    At least Pete doesn’t pretend that he doesn’t know this guy. Who is connected to Michael Savage, and Matt Drudge and to Donald Trump. They are friends and allies.

  12. Who is Michael Savage and Matt Drudge.

    No, seriously?

    Who are they?

  13. Phantom.

    I know who Genghis Khan and Mahatma Gandhi is, but they mean absolutely bugger all to my day to day life?

  14. Phantom.

    Trump is now a President, he is now a politician.

    He will now unwittingly or otherwise be associated with all forms of pond life.

    It goes with the job.

    What’s so difficult to understand?

  15. I suspect this is part of the building blocks of the demonisation of Fauci.

  16. harri

    If you don’t know anything about America why are you talking about it

    Savage and Drudge are major media figures, well known to all politicians

  17. If you don’t know anything about America why are you talking about it

    Because, taking the advice of an American living in New York, Alex Jones is obviously a very important figurehead?

    Why?

    Because an American who lives in New York, mentions his name every five minutes, so he simply must be seriously important?

  18. Savage and Drudge are major media figures, well known to all politicians

    Oooookay.

  19. Harri –

    Michael Savage is am American conservative commentator and radio talk show host.

    Phantom is a big admirer. He can’t deny that because he’s said so on a few occasions in here. Nor should he dream of denying that, because Michael Savage is a decent and interesting man with a talent for broadcasting.

  20. I do like Savage mostly, but he drifts into conspiracy mania at times, which causes me to lose respect.

    His open disrespect to Rush Limbaugh and to Fox / Hannity has hurt his career. He could have been bigger than he is.

  21. Pete.

    I think that, going by the sheer amount of times he mentions him.

    Phantom is a great admirer of Alex Jones too?

  22. I suspect this is part of the building blocks of the demonisation of Fauci.

    Yes, Fauci is now a hate figure on the conspiracist right and has had to get police protection against the nutters. Trump is backing him for now, but as soon as politically possible he will throw him under the bus and relax the restrictions.

    The reason that Trump went in favour of lock-down last weekend was not the threat of 500,000 US deaths but opinion poll evidence which showed that most voters supported lock-down, with very little difference (for once) between GOP and Dems.

  23. Phantom is a great admirer of Alex Jones, this is true. And why not? In the overweight, opinionated American Alex Jones Phantom might recognise something of himself.

    😉

  24. Yes, Fauci is now a hate figure on the conspiracist right and has had to get police protection against the nutters. Trump is backing him for now …

    Have we evidence that it’s the right who are threatening a man who has Trump’s backing? Long term form suggests quite the opposite.

  25. Trump has deep conspiracy roots. There are a billion examples of this.

    He thinks the whole system is rigged because he thinks that the whole system is the way that he isl.

    He would like to betray Fauci, for no good reason in the world, but he can’t do it right now.

    Pete, what are your true thoughts on Fauci?

  26. Phantom

    Coulter and others even more extreme and vicious than her have been calling Fauci a Democrat traitor in the Trump camp for weeks now. Because he posted an approving tweet on Hillary as SOS about eight years ago.

  27. Ah

    Now that explains what Pete is up to today

  28. Peter, mahons

    Let’s keep a close eye on these rats.

    This is not the time for this, not that there is ever a time for it.

    This is not a game.

  29. Pete – why would actual evidence convince you, it hasn’t in the past.

  30. Can you tell us Pete what the point of this post is.

    Take as much time as you like.

    Do you have any problem with Dr Fauci? Does anyone here have a problem with Dr Fauci?

  31. Phantom –

    Pete, what are your true thoughts on Fauci?

    Like almost everyone I’d never heard of him until a few weeks ago. I’m certainly not qualified to peer review his work. But I do trust my nose. Really, I’ve mentioned my bloodhound nose in here before because I trust it. I rarely go against my gut instinct because I can smell a wrong’un, and Anthony Fauci doesn’t strike me as fake or winging it. His demeanour is all good. His body language is natural (which is unusual in a wrong’un) and his words aren’t at all suspicious. I think he’s a good pro doing his best, never knowing what his boss will say next.

  32. Well…we agree on all of that.

  33. Can you tell us Pete what the point of this post is.

    Maybe you or Mahons can ask the person who put it up?

  34. Patrick put up the post because he wants any criticism of Trump’s attitude at the start of the outbreak to be pointed at Fauci too. It’s all about defending St Donald.

  35. Yes, it is obvious and beyond dumb.

    I wonder where he got this from.

  36. I would agree with that Colm. The post is to show that even an expert as good as Fauci got it wrong in the beginning, much less a non-expert as the President.

  37. Throughout late February, Trump also continued to claim the situation was improving. On Feb. 26, he said: “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.” On Feb. 27, he predicted: “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.” On Feb. 29, he said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly” and praised his administration’s actions as “the most aggressive taken by any country.” None of these claims were true.

    Instead, he suggested on multiple occasions that the virus was less serious than the flu. “We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu, he said on March 2. “It’s very mild,” he told Hannity on March 4. On March 7, he said, “I’m not concerned at all.” On March 10, he promised: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”

    NYT

    Let’s look at February. And March.

  38. excuse me Mahons I misstyped first REPORTED CASE…. air travel from China was shut down 10 days after the first reported case and the advice that Dr Fucknutz gives above.

    Title corrected.

  39. In January, Dr Fauci didn’t know what he knows now, since China was concealing the human to human transmission at that time I think.

    yet 10 days later Jan 31 Trump shut down travel from china and NY official a week after that were telling it’s citizens to go to the Chicom Parade.

    Video of the disaster decisions made by NY officials has been added above…. 🙂

  40. Phantom lives in a delusional bubble, he knows nothing outside his bubble and the information in his bubble when it comes to anything outside of his business is very limited and what he does have is very thin and lacking.

  41. Pete Moore

    Your gut instinct on Dr. Fauci is on the money.

    Colm

    I agree with you on why this ridiculous post was made. Trump is desperately looking for a scapegoat but the buck stops with him and nobody else.

  42. Colm, on April 3rd, 2020 at 10:40 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick put up the post because he wants any criticism of Trump’s attitude at the start of the outbreak to be pointed at Fauci too. It’s all about defending St Donald.

    No Colm it’s about FACTS & TRUTH.

    Watch the second video also. See who is responsible for the plague infestation of NY.

    It ain’t Trump.

  43. Patrick thinks that he is acting as Trump’s defense attorney.

    And defense attorneys are never expected to tell the whole truth about their clients.

    Patrick has never seriously criticized Trump, and he never will do so.

  44. It’s all Fauci’s fault. And Obama’s and Hillary’s and anyone whatso****ing ever except Trump. He has played a blinder from the start of this and will continue to play a blinder until the end.

    Obviously.

  45. Obama is guilty of everything that happened so far under Trump.

    Why not have Dr Fauci executed and replace him with Dr Jared Kushner.

    After all, Jared cured the opioid crisis, so why not let him cure the virus situation.

  46. Patrick has never seriously criticized Trump, and he never will do so.

    If he does something worth criticizing I will, so far there is nothing to criticize.

  47. Peter it’s NOBODY’S fault…. it’s a virus.

  48. And actually Peter if there is anyone to blame…. guess what skippy the main people that deserve blame for ANYTHING are the Model Makers…. they’re all wrong just like your Climate Models.

  49. The local Wuhan government and the Chinese national government are hugely culpable for all of this.

    They lied about everything for crucial weeks.

    And they allowed the wet markets to be open, when the dangers had long been known.

  50. Patrick
    //Peter it’s NOBODY’S fault…. it’s a virus.//

    The Chinese will be pleased to hear that.

  51. oh wow look the Chicom Flu has caught up worldwide with the amount of people killed by the Flu oh but only the regular flu deaths in the US.

    Global cases
    Updated Apr 3 at 10:42 PM UTC

    Confirmed 1,094,068
    +86,091

    Deaths 58,773
    +6,002

    Recovered 225,519
    +15,464

  52. If he does something worth criticizing I will, so far there is nothing to criticize.

    ROFL
    ROFL
    ROFL

    Ya big Trump Groupie!! Admit it!!

  53. Dave unless they can prove it was made in the WuHan Lab it’s not China’s Fault, and all the latest reports from the CDC say it has not been a manipulated virus. I’ve been following that very closely.

    To expect the Chicoms to be honest about anything let alone an internal catastrophe would be stupid. So blaming them is just finger pointing.

  54. name what he’s done wrong Peter….. debate me… make your case… I’ll wait

  55. Trump must the greatest president ever, eh Patrick? Or at least the greatest in your lifetime? No?

    Maybe Reagan just shades it? For basic competence and work-rate and telling the truth most of the time at least?

  56. It wasn’t a spelling error Patrick, it was a claim by you that it was at the time of the first death. Now you’ve begrudgingly changed your title when you were caught once again with your pants down.

  57. To expect the Chicoms to be honest about anything let alone an internal catastrophe would be stupid.

    The same applies to President Liar.

  58. Hey Phantom please comment on the Tucker video. Explanations ?

  59. name what he’s done wrong Peter….. debate me… make your case… I’ll wait

    No Patrick, you are a shameless Trump groupie so I won’t waste my time. But the thousands of lies would be a start, and as we see, he continues to lie every single day.

    But you think he never lies, dontcha? That’s why we can’t sensibly debate this schmuck’s record.

  60. Mahons it was a mind fart I knew what I meant, but wrote death…. oh but you’ve never done that….

    Never mind that I acknowledged that you were right, nevermind that I corrected it.

    The second I came back on the site and read your comment I fixed MY MISTAKE unlike you and the others I have no problem addmiting a mistake or if I’m wrong or even apologizing when I cross the line. Something YOU have never done. As far as I know the only other person to ever apologize on here is Paul and I AM THE ONLY ONE to ever admit to being wrong.

    So begrudge your ass….

  61. No Patrick, you are a shameless Trump groupie so I won’t waste my time. But the thousands of lies would be a start, and as we see, he continues to lie every single day.

    But you think he never lies, dontcha? That’s why we can’t sensibly debate this schmuck’s record.

    So that’s what I thought…. you can’t name one thing.

    I asked you to debate….. sad sunny

  62. Patrick

    Carlson’s commentary here is devastating and correct.

    I have no problem with condemning the NYC mayor.

    But I will note that Trump personally hosted a large rally in El Paso a week after Liu spoke. I have a hard time understanding harsh criticism of a nobody like Liu, while there is no criticism of the guy who hosted a big event.

    The first big hot spot locally AFAIK wasn’t even in NYC. It was in New Rochelle.

    This isn’t a NYC / NYS issue. It is a global issue, and other states I fear will get hammered as well. Including Florida, where the governor has no problem with ( large ) religious rallies and who has indeed overturned local restrictions against all large such events. You can’t criticize Liu and Deblasio and be taken seriously unless you criticize the Florida governor. Who is dismantling protections today, now, this Sunday…

  63. Holding a rally after he had already started shutting down flights was definitely wrong and he should be condemned for it.

    And if DeSantis is dropping the quarantine befor May 1st he’s an idiot.

  64. Concur

    And I say again – Tucker Carlson is important.

  65. he does a solid job

  66. Phantom – Dr Fauci is an immunologist and not a virologist nor an epidemiologist. Do you consider hm qualified to deal with the Covid-19 issue?

    Dr Fauci wrote a paper a few days ago stating that the effects of Corona are likely to be no worse that a bad influenza but insists on the media that tens of thousands shall die above the seasonal norm.

    Over in the UK, similar incompetence reigns. The ‘expert’ who persuaded the government to lock down the country because of 200,000 deaths has history in such matters:

    https://www.anti-empire.com/neil-ferguson-the-scientist-who-convinced-boris-johnson-of-uk-covid-lockdown-isnt-very-bright/

    The scientist whose calculations about the potentially devastating impact of the coronavirus directly led to the countrywide lockdown has been criticised in the past for flawed research.

    Professor Neil Ferguson, of the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis at Imperial College in London, produced a paper predicting that Britain was on course to lose 250,000 people during the coronavirus epidemic unless stringent measures were taken. His research is said to have convinced Prime Minister Boris Johnson and his advisors to introduce the lockdown.

    However, it has now emerged that Ferguson has been criticised in the past for making predictions based on allegedly faulty assumptions which nevertheless shaped government strategies and impacted the UK economy.

    He was behind disputed research that sparked the mass culling of farm animals during the 2001 epidemic of foot and mouth disease, a crisis which cost the country billions of pounds.

    And separately he also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die from bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, or ‘mad cow disease’) and its equivalent in sheep if it made the leap to humans. To date there have been fewer than 200 deaths from the human form of BSE and none resulting from sheep to human transmission.

    That is a fully-qualified dick-head, and yet is still listened to by government.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484622-expert-behind-covid-19-shutdown/

    Although these difficulties afflict all modelling, there has been particular criticism in recent days of Professor Ferguson’s track record. He worked on initial estimates for the possible death toll of variant-CJD, aka the “human form of mad cow disease,” in 1996, estimating with others a range from 50 deaths to 50,000. But these were far from the most lurid estimates for a disease that has actually killed just 176 people. During the outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease (FMD) in 2001, his estimates led to a far wider cull of animals than previously thought necessary, ultimately costing the economy an estimated £10 billion.

    One critic, Michael Thrusfield, professor of veterinary epidemiology at Edinburgh University, has since written two papers that are highly critical of the research led by Ferguson on FMD. One of the papers, from 2006, argues that “the models were not fit for the purpose of predicting the course of the epidemic and the effects of control measures. The models also remain unvalidated. Their use in predicting the effects of control strategies was therefore imprudent.”

    Another academic critic, Dr Paul Kitching, told The Telegraph: “In view of the low numbers of Covid-19 tests being reported as carried out in affected countries, it is difficult to understand what informs the current models. In particular the transmission rate. How many mild and subclinical infections are occurring?”

    Ferguson has responded to the FMD criticism, saying: “We were doing modelling in real time as the other groups were in 2001 — certainly the models weren’t 100% right, certainly with limited data and limited time to do the work. But I think the broad conclusions reached were still valid.”

    No – the models weren’t 100% right: they weren’t even 1% right. This is what government’s base their policies upon.

  67. My friend with MS was just declared brain dead from this, they will take her off the ventilator tomorrow.

    Please say a prayer or send warm thoughts to her family. Her name is Margo.

  68. I asked you to debate….. sad sunny

    We can’t debate Patrick. Because you continue to deny that your guy is a sociopath and shameless liar.

  69. I’m sorry to hear that Patrick.
    My thoughts are with her family and friends.

  70. Allan

    Any update on the Jewish aspect to this? If not Fauci then maybe some of the others “dictating” this “pandemic emergency” so-called? Surely the Joos are implicated some way?

    And maybe an update on your conversion to Creationism, the ultimate “Young Earth” anti-science bullshit?

  71. Thank you Dave

  72. We can’t debate Patrick. Because you continue to deny that your guy is a sociopath and shameless liar.

    So you can’t present a case on why he’s a sociopath and liar ? You sound pretty convinced of it. A person convinced of something should be able to present a well thought out reasonable case for what convinced you of your position.

    Can you at the least explain why you are unable or more honestly unwilling to present that case ?

  73. That’s awful Patrick. My condolences.

  74. thanks Masterson

  75. Alway worth a read…

    Going Viral… it’s what they do
    Posted on April 3, 2020 by legiron
    19
    So, this virus is still pissing everyone off. If only we could make tiny hammers to smash the little buggers, eh?

    Right, so what do we actually know? Not much, as it goes. It’s a new one, it’ll take a long time to figure out what it can and cannot do and by then, one or other of us will be dead. Of course, if the virus kills us, it’s dead too. It cannot reproduce without a host.

    It is the way of viruses to gradually mutate into less deadly versions. If they don’t, if they wipe out their host species, they die too. There are viruses that have perfected this. They are in us all now, reproducing slowly, doing no real harm, parasitising with nobody noticing. That takes a long time but I suspect they all get there in the end.

    It’s the boisterous new kid on the block that always causes most damage. The thug virus, in Burberry and drugged to the eyes, not yet realising it depends for its very existence on those it is trying to kill. It will calm down, eventually, but it will kill a lot of people before it does.

    Okay, what do we have? Most of it is unproven and some of it is just hearsay but we have to go with what we have for now.

    First, it is not a hoax. Some are still saying this. I have noticed though, that a couple of days ago Twitter was full of sneering ‘Does anyone know anyone who has even had this virus?’ and today it’s full of ‘family member dead or on a ventilator’ tweets. It has changed very quickly. Not surprising since the death toll is doubling every three days.

    Some of them are fake. Clearly. But some of them are real. I now personally know a few people who have tested positive.

    Second, testing. There are howls to test everyone, so all those testing negative can get back to work. Testing does not confer immunity. If you test negative it merely shows that you haven’t caught it yet. You could catch it between the time of the test and getting the result. It means nothing. There is an antibody test in development that will show if you had it and have developed immunity but even when it’s widely available, it takes 28 days after infection before it can be deemed accurate. I hope you like your living room wallpaper, you’re going to be staring at it for a while yet.

    Third, who is most at risk? The elderly, obviously. Those with underlying conditions whether or not they have been diagnosed. This is important. There have been many, many cases in the past of apparently fit and healthy people in their twenties suddenly dropping dead from a heart or other problem nobody even suspected they had. It happens. It’s not nice but it does happen. Just because you feel fine, live the Health Dream and have a body that would make Charles Atlas green does not mean you are safe. Do not chance it.

    Some are more at risk than others. It seems the virus kills more men than women. It seems to target blood group A and Rhesus negative particularly. It seems to not like smokers so much. All this is connected with cell surface antigens that the virus uses for attachment and I’m not getting into a lecture now. I haven’t seen absolute proof of any of these things (there hasn’t been enough time for research) so it’s all speculation or preliminary studies at this point.

    Fourth, is it a bioweapon? I don’t know. It might be but it doesn’t need to be. Nasty new viruses can arise by pure chance. This one might have been created by a lab or by sheer bad luck. There are very few genes in a virus so adding or taking away one makes a hell of a difference to what it does. A simple transcription error in a SARS virus could have made this one.

    Bioweapons are really no use in the modern world unless you want to attack the entire world. Lobbing plague infested corpses into beseiged castles in the 14th century, fine. It’s contained. Now, you could let loose a bioweapon in, say, London, and it will cover the whole damn planet in 24 hours. You cannot contain it. No matter where in the world you let out your bioweapon, it is coming home and might get home before you do. So I don’t think it was a deliberate bioweapon attack. Accidental release, maybe.

    Although the Billy Gates Gruff was suspiciously fast at bringing in his vaccine with free bonus microchip. So I’ll leave the bioweapon thing open for now. That guy is the one who wanted to reduce atmospheric carbon dioxide to zero. He is a dangerous idiot.

    Fifth, is it really more dangerous than the flu? After all, more people die of the flu than from this. Well, it’s not about the death rate. It’s the infection rate. With flu, you get infected, 2 or 3 days later you’re in bed wishing for Death’s release. A couple of weeks later you’re okay, you might be infectious for a day or two after but you won’t cause too many new cases.

    With this one, you can be infectious for two weeks before you even know you have it. There is some evidence you can still be infectious for a while after recovery. The kill rate isn’t that high but the infection method means you could see a massive spike in cases all at once. ‘Only’ 20% need hospital treatment but unlike those flu cases, the hospital ones aren’t spread out over months. The cases could spike over days. And then you have the Italy situation where doctors have to choose who gets the ventilator.

    It does not kill more than the flu. What it can do is cause a spike in cases over days rather than months, and then people die because they can’t get treatment. Not just from the virus, from everything else too, because the hospitals are overloaded. This new virus has not made all the other diseases go away, you know.

    Finally, is it all the government’s fault? What do you want, your government to seal all borders, allow nobody in or out, and keep you under home arrest 24/7? No, it is not the government’s fault. Look at the faces of those in government now. They are knackered. Boris looks like he should be home in bed with a hot water bottle and he is still working. Making political mileage out of this is just sick.

    No government on the planet could have foreseen this, no government could possibly have been ready, no politician anywhere understands how a virus works and sure, they have scientific advisers but no scientist has ever seen this virus before. Vaccines and treatments are not something we scientists pull out of our arse on command, you know. It took me three years to find a treatment for Clostridium difficile and prove that it worked. That bacterium has been causing problems for a very long time. Now you want a cure for a brand new virus in days? 14 days incubation and spread before symptoms? Nobody has seen that before and nobody has a plan in place to deal with it. Why would they? It has only just come into existence.

    Instead of attacking health workers and pharmacists, instead of demanding the government do something about a thing nobody has experienced before, why not try looking after yourselves for once?

    If this thing keeps going, sooner or later you’ll have no choice

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/

  76. That was an interesting and well written article, thanks Harri

  77. Colm.

    I might have to restart having the odd smoke here and there.

    😉

    Be safe, we all went for a morning stroll this morning in the sunshine, my wife was saying it’s at this time living in the middle of nowhere has a serious advantage over someone living in a flat, it must simply be mind numbing. I know there are local parks, but how difficult it must be to social distance?

  78. It is tough Harri the parks are policed . I am not cross about that . Just can go for nice long walk park to park .
    Colm I’m surprised they haven’t thought of a witty line connecting fauci to faust . But hey somehow I don’t think reading is their major 😂

  79. Harri

    I have only stepped outside twice in the last 9 days, just to do needed shopping. Yes you have to walk past people in the street but a form of natural social distancing is automatically happening. Th streets are a lot quieter. The main problem is once I got Ito my local Iceland – the nearest supermarket after a half hour queue with good social distancing , it’s hard to avoid getting occasionally close to people walking up and down the aisles, but we have to accept some minor risk. Life isn’t perfect. Although it’s going to be a lovely and warm weekend I am going to stay in my flat. I am getting used to it.

  80. Peter, on April 4th, 2020 at 1:31 AM Said:

    And maybe an update on your conversion to Creationism, the ultimate “Young Earth” anti-science bullshit?

    Peter – sometimes I have an idea where you may be coming from, but this is beyond comprehension. What….are…..you…..talking…..about?

    On the Covid-hoax, Peter Hitchens makes a very serious point which is being replicated at ATW:

    “We demonstrated, in fact, that we don’t really have a civil society any longer. What shocked me having spent such a long time in the Soviet Union. under the Soviet Union’s rule most people regarded it with a certain amount of contempt, made jokes about it, realized they were being mocked and fooled. In this case the population accept what they’re being told without any question. It’s extraordinary. The old USSR would have loved to have a population like the current western world which actually genuinely believe the propaganda and does what it’s told.”

  81. Kurt, Colm,

    I can’t imagine what it must be like stuck in a large Town or City, I will use a flat as an example, with kids.

    Even with our freedoms we can enjoy here, acres of private woodlands, (the bluebells are coming out now) the acres of fields and lanes to wander up and down, not to mention a large garden.

    Yet still, only yesterday it was like world war 3 had broken out here, all over someone eating someone else’s cream egg.

    It took me all of five minutes to find out, it was my cream egg.

    I’m seriously looking forward to my office and lab…

    😏

  82. Sorry for your loss Pat.

    H, a well written article which mostly talks sense.

    If he does something worth criticizing I will, so far there is nothing to criticize.

    How about criticisng him for stealing embezzling monies from a charity instead of defending it by trying to present it as ‘basically an accounting error?’ It speaks volumes about the man’s character when he boasts of being a billionaire yet still uses charity monies for self gain and trying to defend that as ‘honest’ is also actually dishonest in itself.

    The main people that deserve blame for ANYTHING are the Model Makers

    Honest Don is never wrong. The Trumpers are coating him in more teflon than John Gotti

    I asked you to debate….. sad sunny

    I’ve largely given up on ‘debate’ here. Presenting a position and finding credible facts to defend that position is a time consuming process and it’s disappointing to spend a few hours in ‘debate’ with someone only to have your efforts dismissed by some vacuous, fatuous comment when the other person is being verbally outflanked.

    As far as I know the only other person to ever apologize on here is Paul and I AM THE ONLY ONE to ever admit to being wrong.

    On the occasions when I have been wrong Pat I have admitted mistakes and am quite happy to do so.

  83. hey how about a labour leadership thread guys as distraction from the grim reaper of COVID-19, even POTUS Trunk has stopped the china virus talk
    Keir Starmer won and I’m £35 up on skybets , took it at 5/2 after election 🙂

  84. What else has Sir Keir promised as leader?
    There were more pledges made in the campaign from Labour’s new leader.

    Here are the final five:

    Migrant rights: Giving full voting rights for EU nationals, backing free movement in the EU, a new immigration system “based on compassion and dignity”, an end to indefinite detention and calls for the closure of centres such as Yarl’s Wood
    Worker’s rights: Work with trade unions to stand up for working people, tackle insecure work and low pay, repeal the Trade Union Act
    Devolution: Promise to “push power, wealth and opportunity away from Whitehall”, create a federal system to devolve powers – including through regional investment banks and control over regional industrial strategy, abolish the House of Lords, replace it with an elected chamber of regions and nations
    Equality: No specific policy but promise to “pull down obstacles that limit opportunities and talent”
    Effective opposition: Promise to “never lose sight of the votes ‘lent’ to the Tories in 2019”, to unite the party, promote pluralism and improve Labour’s culture, action to eradicate anti-Semitism, maintain link with unions.

  85. Hate to say it Kurt and much as I understand the idea of having something refreshing and different to discuss I just don’t think most people can focus on these other political wish lists at the moment. Everything else seems irrelevent while our lives are taken over by this unique situation we are in.

  86. Kurt.

    What do you think of labour’s choice of Keir as leader?
    I need to do a bit of research on his background.

  87. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-DRhUDK738

    The wet markets exist throughout China but they also exist in Vietnam, in Thailand, and similar places exist in Africa

    It’s a big problem

  88. very happy Dave, he speaks well at that dispatch box, has no baggage
    want to united the party , i think he’ll be great .. how bout you ?

  89. I had never heard of this guy

    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-51515612/keir-starmer-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-labour-leader
    M

    The BBC reporter says that he wants to continue the radicalism of Corbyn.

  90. lol bias bbc
    he’s anything but and extremist .

  91. kurt,

    very happy Dave, he speaks well at that dispatch box, has no baggage
    want to united the party , i think he’ll be great .. how bout you ?

    As I said I need to do a bit more research into him, but I’m really hoping that he is going to be a good leader. I’m really keen to join the youth of the UK, and vote for the Labour party in the next election. I really think we need a change.
    Like yourself, I like a lot of the proposals he’s put forward so far.

  92. Phantom,

    The BBC reporter says that he wants to continue the radicalism of Corbyn.

    There were a lot of things about Corbyn I didn’t like however, I’m not sure I would describe him as radical.

  93. can you share that link in context phantom, Im not seeing anywhere bbc talking about the new radical or even close , ot any link with Corbyn, its a break with Corbyn

  94. OK well then we need you guys to break it down

    Can you say how the new leadership would be a break with Corbyn

  95. he just defeated the 2 left wing candidates , omg you’re off to a terrible start phantom !

  96. Kurt

    Shush

    You’re getting the Patrick disease

    I didn’t express any opinion, I quoted what the BBC TV reporter said

  97. Migrant rights: Giving full voting rights for EU nationals, backing free movement in the EU, a new immigration system “based on compassion and dignity”, an end to indefinite detention and calls for the closure of centres such as Yarl’s Wood

    Yes – let’s talk about that for a micro-moment:

    https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/04/emily-jones-bolton-stabbing-inquest-7-year-old-girl-killed-riding-scooter-park/?__twitter_impression=true

    A seven-year-old girl was stabbed to death by a stranger woman in front of her father as she rode her scooter past a park bench on Mother’s Day, an inquest heard earlier this week in the UK.

    Emily Jones was out ‘enjoying the spring sun’ with her family at Queen’s Park in Heaton, Bolton on March 22 when the 30-year-old unidentified woman, who was sitting on a wooden bench, stabbed the girl in the neck. Emergency services were called to the park at around 2.30 pm – with the child rushed to nearby Salford Royal Hospital, only for Emily to tragically die a short time later despite ‘best efforts’ of doctors, the UK’s Bolton News reported.

    Acting Senior Coroner Alan Walsh, described Emily’s death as ‘one of the most tragic’, instances he’d presided over at the start of the inquest into the child’s death at Bolton Coroner’s Court.

    What the Bolton News didn’t report is…..

    The accused woman was arrested at the park and has been detained under the Mental Health Act. She remains in a high-security facility. Social media identified the perpetrator as a Somalian immigrant. Authorities have yet to confirm the woman’s identity.

    Who exactly lets into this country a murderous Somali? To which problem are Somalis the solution, anywhere?

    Now, the parents of a 7-year-old girl have to bury their daughter – who let the perpetrator in and who supports the presence of such savages in this country?

  98. Phantom,
    //OK well then we need you guys to break it down

    Can you say how the new leadership would be a break with Corbyn//

    I don’t know enough about Keir Starmer to compare him to Corbyn in a meaningful way. However, he doesn’t seem to support the antisemitism that Corbyn seemed to tolerate in the party though. He’s also more ‘soft left’ politically, when compared to Corbyn.

  99. Keir Starmer.

    Just what we need, another millionaire pretending to be working class.

    Didn’t Keir Starmer preside over the cover ups of the Pakistani mass child rapes when he was Director of Public Prosecutions?

  100. A seven-year-old girl was stabbed to death by a stranger woman in front of her father as she rode her scooter past a park bench on Mother’s Day, an inquest heard earlier this week in the UK.
    Emily Jones was out ‘enjoying the spring sun’ with her family at Queen’s Park in Heaton, Bolton on March 22 when the 30-year-old unidentified woman, who was sitting on a wooden bench, stabbed the girl in the neck. Emergency services were called to the park at around 2.30 pm – with the child rushed to nearby Salford Royal Hospital, only for Emily to tragically die a short time later despite ‘best efforts’ of doctors, the UK’s Bolton News reported.
    Acting Senior Coroner Alan Walsh, described Emily’s death as ‘one of the most tragic’, instances he’d presided over at the start of the inquest into the child’s death at Bolton Coroner’s Court.

    What is missing from reports on the savage barbaric cold blooded murder by the Somalian refugee, is, she apparently cut the little girls throat.

    Hell has been unleashed on the West.

  101. Here is an image on Emily..

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/inquest-opens-tragic-emily-jones-18027831

  102. Didn’t Keir Starmer preside over the cover ups of the Pakistani mass child rapes when he was Director of Public Prosecutions?

    I don’t think he did. I think there was one case where a lawyer from his department incorrectly came to the conclusion that a girl wasn’t a credible witness some years before the sex rings came to light:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-17853560

  103. Thanks Paul,

    Margo was 70, had MS and was put on a ventilator 4 days ago during which time her brain swelled and ceased. At some point today she will be removed from the machines and her body will stop. I have no doubt she has already moved on. A good woman of Faith, Charity, and Family.

    May she rest peacefully

  104. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_New_York_City

    The attached article from Wikipedia Shows the situation in New York City better than how I’ve seen it explained in any papers The number of incidents and the number of deaths continues to increase but the rate of the increase is generally going down ; the day by day Percentage change is shown.

    It is hoped that the number of incidents and the number of deaths will peek before long.

    Brooklyn is in better shape than, Queens, The boroughs of Nassau and Suffolk in Long Island, and Westchester and Rockland County north of the city are bad.

  105. Paul.

    This awful excuse for a human being..

    https://www.itv.com/news/granada/topic/rochdale-sex-abuse/?page=2

  106. something good on wiki, very good find Phantom

  107. Yes H. But nothing to do with Keir Starmer?

  108. Paul

    Point taken.

  109. No problem. Keep yourself & yours safe and well.

  110. I am quite pleasantly surprised by my observations today in London. It’s the first genuinely warm sunny day we have had since the lockdown and living in a large residential estate as I do I thought I would witness several people going out and about, but there has hardly been a peep in the streets all day. It’s a good sign that in my area at least people are taking it seriously.

  111. Patrick Van Roy, on April 4th, 2020 at 1:23 AM Said:
    My friend with MS was just declared brain dead from this, they will take her off the ventilator tomorrow.

    No Patrick – your friend did not die of Covid-19, as you made clear….

    Patrick Van Roy, on April 4th, 2020 at 6:15 PM Said:

    Margo was 70, had MS and was put on a ventilator 4 days ago during which time her brain swelled and ceased.

    And as I posted a couple of days ago…..

    https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health-topics/ventilatorventilator-support

    Infections

    One of the most serious and common risks of being on a ventilator is pneumonia. The breathing tube that’s put in your airway can allow bacteria to enter your lungs. As a result, you may develop ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP).

    The breathing tube also makes it hard for you to cough. Coughing helps clear your airways of lung irritants that can cause infections.

    VAP is a major concern for people using ventilators because they’re often already very sick. Pneumonia may make it harder to treat their other disease or condition.

    VAP is treated with antibiotics. You may need special antibiotics if the VAP is caused by bacteria that are resistant to standard treatment.

    Another risk of being on a ventilator is a sinus infection. This type of infection is more common in people who have endotracheal tubes. (An endotracheal tube is put into your windpipe through your mouth or nose.) Sinus infections are treated with antibiotics.
    Other Risks

    Using a ventilator also can put you at risk for other problems, such as:

    Pneumothorax (noo-mo-THOR-aks). This is a condition in which air leaks out of the lungs and into the space between the lungs and the chest wall. This can cause pain and shortness of breath, and it may cause one or both lungs to collapse.
    Lung damage. Pushing air into the lungs with too much pressure can harm the lungs.
    Oxygen toxicity. High levels of oxygen can damage the lungs.

    These problems may occur because of the forced airflow or high levels of oxygen from the ventilator.

    Using a ventilator also can put you at risk for blood clots and serious skin infections. These problems tend to occur in people who have certain diseases and/or who are confined to bed or a wheelchair and must remain in one position for long periods.

    Another possible problem is damage to the vocal cords from the breathing tube. If you find it hard to speak or breathe after your breathing tube is removed, let your doctor know.

  112. https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/nyc-firefighter-gets-coronavirus-after-teen-sneezes-on-him/?utm_source=facebook_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons&fbclid=IwAR1v_oJhLUA9yMUlzT3JU18D-11whlTIQAf6hwg3P-SKecmlzggzUI9-rJc

    An element of Hasidic Jews Continues to ignore all the social distancing rules, and worse, in Brooklyn and in Rockland County NY

    There is a recent incident where a Hasidic “ youth “ allegedly and Intentionally blow his nose in the direction of a Muslim fireman