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THE WUHAN LAB THEORY IS BACK

By Pete Moore On April 5th, 2020

Six weeks ago the Washington Post took Senator Tom Cotton to task for apparently spreading a “debunked” conspiracy theory –

The Washington Post now resurrects that debunked theory, tellling us that “scientists don’t rule out that an accident at a research laboratory in Wuhan might have spread a deadly bat virus that had been collected for scientific study”.

It appears that no firm link to a wet market can (yet) be established, but the Wuhan Institute of Virology was certainly in possession of bat coronaviruses. It’s a short and interesting read.

130 Responses to “THE WUHAN LAB THEORY IS BACK”

  1. I notice the U.K. government are now stating, that the lab theory can not be ruled out.

    As I said previously, time will tell.

    I truly believe our governments already know the horrific truth.

  2. Odds are that’s what actually caused the panic.

    But as this post say’s when this “theory” was put out at first it was attacked not just by wapo, but everyone at one point the cdc even stated that they believed it to be natural I commented about it at the time. They said they had enough sample now to make that determination.

  3. anything is poss, but its still unlikely, they’ve analyed the corona virus and its distnict in a number of ways ..crucially
    “That analysis showed that the “hook” part of the spike had evolved to target a receptor on the outside of human cells called ACE2, which is involved in blood pressure regulation. It is so effective at attaching to human cells that the researchers said the spike proteins were the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.”

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

  4. I don’t think that anyone definitively ruled out anything as the origins of the virus were/ are still being investigated. What was being criticised was the authoritative claim or the innuendo that it was a bioweapon.

  5. but if your focus is on the chinese more that what we’re doing to stop millions die

    esp in USA with bat crazy governors and mayors! ignoring medical advice

    then you have found a chink in their armour ( such a good pun that one – takes bow ) 🙂

  6. I don’t think that anyone definitively ruled out anything as the origins of the virus were/

    Masterson did.

  7. I doubt we will ever have definitive cause. Sure its probably from Wuhan but we in the west will never find out.

  8. The conspiracy theory was that it was manufactured as a bioweapon, not that some bat in a lab had it.

    The wet markets need to come to an end anyway. Scientific labs not so much.

    The cure will definitely come from a lab.

  9. The Lab Frank that had the virus was a BIOWEAPONS LAB.

  10. Frank.

    For a brief time, the Chinese government banned all wet-markets with immediate effect.

    Now, they are open again, apart from one district where they have banned the boiling alive of dogs, cats and kittens.

    That’s all we need to know.

    It started in a wet-market my butt.

    Fuck the Chinese, if it really did start in a wet-market, (which I seriously, seriously doubt) I truly hope they get dog or cat flu virus next.

    As long as they keep it to themselves, the barbaric in humane savages.

  11. “The Lab Frank that had the virus was a BIOWEAPONS LAB.”

    Nobody making a bioweapon in 2019 would start with a coronavirus.

  12. Frank

    I believe most pathogens start with Coronavirus?

    It’s the basic building block.

    I stand corrected if I have read scientific reports incorrectly?

    Nobody making a bioweapon in 2019 would start with a coronavirus.

    Frank, genuinely interested, have you a link to that information?

  13. Where did the last FOUR Sars virus escape from?

    Precisely.

  14. Nobody making a bioweapon in 2019 would start with a coronavirus.

    Why not?

    As far as bio weapons go, Covid-19 appears to be the perfect bio-weapon.

    Without killing all of humanity, it’s collapsing society, economies, and creating mass panic.

    Bio-weapons are intended to kill all human life, what would be the point?

  15. Harri,

    The scientists found that the RBD portion of the SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins had evolved to effectively target a molecular feature on the outside of human cells called ACE2, a receptor involved in regulating blood pressure. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein was so effective at binding the human cells, in fact, that the scientists concluded it was the result of natural selection and not the product of genetic engineering.

    This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2’s backbone – its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

    “These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2” said Andersen.

    Josie Golding, PhD, epidemics lead at UK-based Wellcome Trust, said the findings by Andersen and his colleagues are “crucially important to bring an evidence-based view to the rumors that have been circulating about the origins of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) causing COVID-19.”

    “They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,” Golding adds, “ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering.”

    https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-events/press-room/2020/20200317-andersen-covid-19-coronavirus.html

    (my emphasis)

  16. Frank.

    One report.

    In the last two weeks the authorities have gone from “it’s definitely not from a lab” to “it’s probably not from a lab” to “ we are not ruling it out”

    It came from a lab.

    The Chinese have been eating anything with a pulse for centuries, all pathogens have been accidentally or otherwise been released from a lab in China.

    This one will be no different.

    Time will tell.

    It came from a wet-market my butt.

    Pull the other one.

  17. Frank not all bioweapons are designed to kill….. this has proven with it’s spreadability and panic inducing effect to be a perfect weapon to debilitate.

  18. A bio-engineering lab is as improbable a source for a new virus found a few miles away as a chemical weapons lab is a for a nerve agent fou d a few miles away. Just ask Porton Down to confirm

  19. A bio-engineering lab is as improbable a source for a new virus found a few miles away as a chemical weapons lab is a for a nerve agent found a few miles away. Just ask Porton Down to confirm

  20. I wonder how long it will be, before the crazy 5G causes coronavirus conspiracy theory hits ATW.

  21. The rate of growth continues to slow significantly in both New York City and New York State

  22. 10,000 NYPD/FDNY called out sick

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8188535/Law-order-fears-NYC-nearly-10-000-NYPD-FDNY-members-sick-city.html

    it ain’t over yet…..

  23. Oh no, the day by day worst may be over soon, but this will be with us for some months best case

    The cops and fire and others are the tip of the spear. They deal with all segments of society every day, and did so before we knew anything about this beast

    If most develop immunity, the police fire, other first responders and medical professionals may become immune as a group before anyone else in society do. They say that very many Chinese doctors are immune now, etc.

  24. I have two NYPD relatives that are on the heal. They got very sick but no hospital.

  25. How are you holding up Phantom ? Are you ok, and the family down here ?

    Hope all are doing well.

  26. Good luck to them.

    We will all know plenty of people that will have the virus, some of us will get it.

    Hopefully it will be the mild version for all.

  27. All’s good, here, down there, elsewhere, thanks.

    I do not love the social distancing but I am keeping to it the best that I can.

    How are you guys keeping?

  28. everybody’s good, worried about my oldest she’s flying back from denver on the 8th, but so far so good.

    Keep your distance and wash your hands. Stay as safe as you can.

    G’night.

  29. Cheers

  30. Harri,

    “ One report.”

    One fact. It’s not a numbers game.

    “In the last two weeks the authorities have gone from “it’s definitely not from a lab” to “it’s probably not from a lab” to “ we are not ruling it out”

    No it’s gone from “it’s probably natural” to “it’s natural.” and stayed there.

    The authorities didn’t enter into it…unless you mean the scientific ones who’ve always said it’s probably natural and now say it is.

  31. How many times on ATW does it have to be pointed out that an opinion article is not a news article? This article is an opinion piece and not the editorial position of the Washington post or the product of its news team.

  32. In the last two weeks the authorities have gone from “it’s definitely not from a lab” to “it’s probably not from a lab” to “ we are not ruling it out”

    I don’t recall reading any authoritative claim for the first point. AFAIR no definitives were claimed.

  33. Paul

    Good morning.

    Hope you and yours are all safe & sound.

    BLOOD FEUD Ministers ‘no longer discounting’ theory coronavirus leaked from Chinese lab after staff ‘sprayed with animal blood

    BRITISH ministers are “no longer discounting” the theory that coronavirus originated after leaking from a Chinese bio research lab in Wuhan, according to reports.

    Senior sources have reportedly admitted while the “balance of scientific advice” is that the virus originated naturally, a leak is also being considered by security services.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11331115/british-ministers-coronavirus-china-lab-leak-theory/

    Let’s see that wind of change as some sort of normality resumes.

  34. All doing well H, as I hope you and your girls are too.

    Yes,

    “Perhaps it is no coincidence that there is that laboratory in Wuhan. It is not discounted.”

    That means that the theory of lab origin has / had not been dismissed hence my comment regarding the first point above.

    On a personal level, unless I can corroborate it with other sources I generally take whatever the Sun says with a shovel of salt.

  35. The virus almost certainly occured naturally. But the security services wouldn’t be doing their job if they didn’t consider other possibilities. That doesn’t mean the chances of it being those other possibilities has increased. It is just due diligence.

  36. Cheers Paul

    All good here.

    As they say, the first casualty in any war, is the truth.

    As time goes by, in my personal opinion, that seems to be the case here with Covid-19.

    Why would China re-open all those wet-markets?

    Again, my view is, because they know the virus did not originate from any wet-market in the first place.

    My options are still open, lab, accidentally or otherwise, or a wet-market?

    I will go with the lab theory.

    Where did the release accidentally of the last four or five deadly viruses escape from? It was not any wet-market.

    It was a Chinese lab.

  37. “Why would China re-open all those wet-markets?”

    Because wet markets have a significance in Chinese society. If a deadly outbreak started in a British pub, due to the conditions common in a British pub, then the UK government would be hesitant to ban those pubs.

    Wet market are of similar significance in China.

  38. Because wet markets have a significance in Chinese society.

    And so does deadly viruses.

    Now, the entire planet are paying a heavy price.

  39. Wow! I didn’t realise there was so many virus and germ warfare experts on ATW.

    Mahons,
    //How many times on ATW does it have to be pointed out that an opinion article is not a news article? This article is an opinion piece and not the editorial position of the Washington post or the product of its news team.//

    It will never change mate.
    Even when it clearly states at the bottom of an article, ‘this is an opinion piece’, people still claim it as fact.

  40. My opinion is better than your opinion… and that’s a FACT 😉

  41. Where did the release accidentally of the last four or five deadly viruses escape from? It was not any wet-market.

    Using the process of elimination, instead of wavering between A to Z.

    If the last four or five deadly viruses have escaped from a Chinese lab accidentally or otherwise, and well, here we are again. Covid-19 has a seriously high probability that the source was a Chinese Lab.

    Time will tell.

    Putting all your eggs in one basket on this subject is not advisable. Particularly when it comes to the Chinese government, or any government come to think of it, is not advisable at this point in time.

  42. Italian Dr. Stefano Montanari, a nano-pathologist who, for over twenty years, along with his wife, has researched nano-pathogens, is pushing the ‘conspiracy theory’ that “the fact that ‘this’ coronavirus is considered new, is anything but exceptional. There are very many coronaviruses. The common cold is often due to a coronavirus. They are viruses that by themselves cannot cause death, and very often are totally innocuous.”

    https://www.byoblu.com/2020/03/19/immunodepressi-per-legge-stefano-montanari-byoblu24/

    To die of an illness means that the illness is the cause of death. For example, a myocardial infarction is a cause of death. If someone is run over by a train, the ensuing trauma is the cause of death. If he who is run over by a train happens also to have a cold, the cold is not the cause of death. He casually happened to have a cold.

    I am convinced that if all deaths were checked – about 650,000 people die in Italy physiologically every year – you would find more than half having the coronavirus, probably many more than half. For they are old people who have this coronavirus in their body. The omnipresence of the coronavirus type and other coronaviruses is a fact, not a hypothesis.

    — But how do you explain the images of coffins carried away by military trucks from hospitals in the city of Bergamo. Would you still maintain that the cause of the death was not the coronavirus?

    Look, and I am quoting the National Institute of Health, the actual deaths attributed or certified as having been caused by the corona virus were 3 (this was a few days ago when the numbers reported were already in the hundred). And when I hear Mario Giordano (a well-known journalist) say that we should not divulge this news, I wonder what kind of journalism we have in Italy (and maybe in the world). I’m not talking about the parish newspaper, I’m talking about a journalist of great notoriousness, who says something contrary to the very ethics of journalism… this man is advocating disinformation. It is a shame.

    This micro-biologist is saying that corona-virus is being attributed as ’cause of death’ when it is not – what a conspiracist!!

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-19-cause-death-even-assumed-caused-contributed-death-lab-tests-not-required/

  43. Simple fact, Allan. Nobody dies “from” HIV/AIDS. Every AIDS death is actually the result of an opportunistic infection or neoplasm (tumour) whose presence is due to the collapse of the immune system caused by HIV/AIDS. The disease has caused millions of deaths, but every single person died “from” something else.

    This is hardly uncommon. Many diseases cause catastrophic inflammation or immune dysfunction that hasten death by other causes. They’re still killers.

    I’ve said on another thread that I think your contributions are pernicious and their effect evil. Constant misinformation, feeding the paranoid fantasies of others. It’s vile and it needs to stop.

  44. Masterson.

    Allan doesn’t care that you’re right, he just wants your, or anybody else’s attention.

  45. prescient comparison with aids of 1980’s

    Fear, bigotry and misinformation – this reminds me of the 1980s Aids pandemic

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/06/1980s-aids-pandemic-coronavirus-gay-community-survive

  46. An acquaintance Mentioned The same junk conspiracy theory that Allan Mentioned yesterday, about the New York city Hospital is not being crowded and not being stressed

    He “ heard it from someone “

    He and I know the same Doctor Who would be well acquainted with the conditions in the hospitals. I asked him if I should ask the doctor How things are . He said never mind

    This guy is generally levelheaded, but here, he was falling for the conspiracy theory and he was passing it along –

    There always would’ve been some conspiracy yarns in the older days. The difference is that now it is easy for the same nonsense to be shared by millions of people in a few hours

  47. Mahons,
    //How many times on ATW does it have to be pointed out that an opinion article is not a news article? This article is an opinion piece and not the editorial position of the Washington post or the product of its news team.//

    Mahons there is no such thing as an “opinion” piece, “News” piece, or an “Editorial” piece.

    Every piece in every paper is an OPINION PIECE, not one is a NEWS REPORT. A News Story is a reporting of FACTS, this is what happened, this is who we know was involved. That is a NEWS PIECE. It’s called REPORTING.

    There are no reporters anymore, all there are is JOURNALISTS a journalist takes information and present it in a way that colors the readers view of the subject being written about to the journalists point of view.

    You and anyone who think that you’re reading NEWS in a newspaper have been brainwashed.

    There are only 2 sections in any newspaper that are real news, the crime reports and the obituaries. Everything else in every “News Paper” IS OPINION presented as news to convince the reader to the writers point of view.

  48. //There are only 2 sections in any newspaper that are real news, the crime reports and the obituaries. Everything else in every “News Paper” IS OPINION presented as news to convince the reader to the writers point of view.//

    That’s utter nonsense Patrick.
    The reporting of any event can be entirely factual, entirely fictional, or a combination of both. To claim everything is an opinion piece is ludicrous.
    And by the way, crime reports obituaries may not be factual, so you’re wrong on that score as well.

  49. This is part of the conspiracy stuff that pervades every aspect of Trump support / Fox News / Limbaugh / Savage / Alex Jones.

    When you boil it down, it is the position that there are no such things as empirical facts in the first place. That some uncooroborated nonsense about NYC hospitals as re-tweeted by an unknown blogger is just as valid as an investigative piece done by the NYT.

    ” Alternative facts ” are all equal.

  50. Allan doesn’t care that you’re right, he just wants your, or anybody else’s attention.

    I really don’t understand the objective behind it. How does claiming NY hospitals aren’t really filled with patients explain overwhelmed hospitals in Madrid or crematoriums not being able to cope with the quanity of dead bodies in towns in Lombardy?

    Really, what purpose does claiming the virus is just flu, that hospitals are really empty or that it’s really a bio weapon serve? What’s the motivation behind such claims?

  51. The crazy man does not know that he is crazy, Paul.

    You live in the real world, so you will always have a hard time understanding such people.

  52. Paul.

    //Really, what purpose does claiming the virus is just flu, that hospitals are really empty or that it’s really a bio weapon serve? What’s the motivation behind such claims?//

    You actually quoted his motivation as expressed by me Paul.

    //Allan doesn’t care that you’re right, he just wants your, or anybody else’s attention.//

    Allan just wants your attention. He just wants a platform. If you engage with him as I’ve done in the past, and provide evidence to prove he is wrong, he just ignores it and moves on to something else, or if you really back into a corner, he’ll run away or engage in an ad hominem attack.

  53. It’s been pointed out in the past that Allan portrays almost stereotypical incel characteristics. Most incels have huge self esteem issues, almost a form of self loathing. So they look for ways to big themselves up (normally by trying to bring other people down).

    These ‘theories’ are part of that. Allan, most likely, hates himself, hates his life. So he tries to improve his mental image of himself by bringing other people down. His major way is casual racism, by trying to convince himself that as awful he may view himself that there are other people who are arbitrarily worse. The conspiracy theories play into that. He tries to improve his views of himself by pretending everything is a conspiracy and only people like him can spot it because he is so much smarter than the rest of us. He improves his I age of himself by pretending that we are all too stupid to see the ‘truth’.

  54. Exactly Phantom.

    I don’t think Allan sincerely believes half the stuff he posts anyway. I’ve got a pretty good memory and over the years, I have noticed that Allan has posted contradictory positions on many things. Allan’s also a contrarian, who just likes to take the opposite side to the majority.

  55. He believes all this stuff.

    The Trade Center controlled demolition, the Sandy Hook actors, the empty Elmhust Hospital, he believes every word of all of this nonsense.

    The world is a giant deception, and he is the only one who knows the true facts.

  56. I think Allan is just one of those people who simply cannot believe that big events and government responses are as reported. He assumes there is always a nefarious agenda and nothing is ever as it appears at face value.

  57. Seamus,

    It’s been pointed out in the past that Allan portrays almost stereotypical incel characteristics

    I had to look up what an Incel is. Very creepy. Allan definitely displays traits of it, especially the misogyny.

  58. A huge skepticism could be a good thing.

    But then he is endlessly naive about believing any oul thing from any unknown source.

    The ” Elmhurst Hospital conspiracy ” is only the latest.

  59. The ” Elmhurst Hospital conspiracy ” is only the latest.

    The latest total lunatic conspiracy theory is that 5G causes coronavirus.
    People are actually destroying 5G masts. I used to think these conspiracy theories were just harmless nonsense, but they’re starting to have a real negative effect on society.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52168096

  60. Yes, I just saw that.

    And again – the president of the US swims in some of the same waters that Allan does, as does right wing media.

    Hopefully this too will pass.

  61. good diagnosis seamus, and its borne out phantom/paul
    this staggering idea of taking malaria tablets cos there is some anedotal evidence just shows the paucity of thought and respect for establish facts , Dr.Fauci was attacked in the pre presser yesterday and the verbalist had to be calmed down, this malaria cure malarky is the sort of thing you’d expect to hear from an ignorant nation of superstitious people, medievel or backwater country, even the 3rd world countries do better than this , where there problem are not that they don’t know the science, but their poverty and lack of healthcare facilities is a huge challenge..

  62. Good article here:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/moon-landing-faked-why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories/

  63. Gents.

    I have no interest in 5G masts causing our hair to turn grey and curly, or Elmhurst hospital at this point.
    But at this point in time, when it comes to a possible accidental leak, or some Chinese underpaid scientists selling infected animals from a Chinese bio lab, which have a safety record which leaves a lot to be desired Vs the wet-market theories, which are all still open by the way.

    I would not be placing all my eggs in one basket.

    You could end up with most of them all over your face.

  64. That’s utter nonsense Patrick.
    The reporting of any event can be entirely factual, entirely fictional, or a combination of both. To claim everything is an opinion piece is ludicrous.

    A statement of pure idiocy…….

    You give Phantom and Me a list of indisputable facts that we both totally agree on about Trump, and he will write it as a negative piece and I will write as a positive piece.

    “Journalists” are exactly the same way, the better the “Journalist” is at crafting the facts into the perspective that the WANT you to view it from the more renowned and respected the “journalist” is.

    Newspaper, tv, radio all report the same facts but all with a different perspective. It is this thing Dave you might of heard of it, it’s called Human Nature.

    DeNile is NOT a river in Egypt, it’s people like you who believe I read it in this publication and their presentation of the facts is the ONLY presentation of the facts.

  65. Good link Paul. Cheers.

  66. this malaria cure malarky is the sort of thing you’d expect to hear from an ignorant nation of superstitious people

    Kurt.

    I am sure I read somewhere this morning that some religious sect, somewhere, I think it was the US? have no worries or concerns about Covid19 ravaging the earth..

    The religious leader has prayed and cast the virus away? All his followers are as safe as houses.

    Yeah, good luck with that one.

  67. DeNile is NOT a river in Egypt,

    Actually it is.

    Patrick, did you mean “denial is not just a river in Egypt”

    😏

  68. smartass……. 😉

  69. I would not be placing all my eggs in one basket.

    Harri, I don’t thnk anyone’s definitively ruling anything in or out while the origins of this are still being investigated. As a matter of fact, the strongest beliefs of a specific claim on the origins of this that I have seen have come from those who strongly imply that it started in a lab as a bio weapon experiment and seem to dismiss other theory and opinion.

    On the 5G thing:

    https://monitoring.bbc.co.uk/product/c201hmp9

    I won’t be surprised if certain parts of the article are zeroed in on.

  70. How about

    De Ban is not just a river in Ireland.

    or

    De Negro is not just a river in Brazil.

  71. Paul

    Here, deep in rural England.

    I suspect going by the intermittent signal.

    We have not yet surpassed 1G?

    😏

  72. DeNile is NOT a river in Egypt, it’s people like you who believe I read it in this publication and their presentation of the facts is the ONLY presentation of the facts.

    More nonsense from you Patrick and once again your strawman in my position, claiming I said I believe something that I never did. Of course news reports contain opinions, or even lies, but that doesn’t mean that all news reports do.
    All I was addressing was your ridiculous claim:

    There are only 2 sections in any newspaper that are real news, the crime reports and the obituaries. Everything else in every “News Paper” IS OPINION presented as news to convince the reader to the writers point of view.

    If a reporter reports an earthquake in San Francisco the killed 2000 people, how is that an opinion piece if that is what actually happened and he just report the facts.
    To claim all reports in the news are opinion is utter nonsense. I really don’t know how you can make these nonsensical assertions Patrick with a straight face.

  73. There are only 2 sections in any newspaper that are real news, the crime reports and the obituaries.

    I would say it would be the date and the price.

  74. In certain publications I wouldn’t even trust the date.

  75. Dave no strawman and at times getting you to see the obvious is like talking to a wall.

    ALL news reports contain bias. They are delivered by human beings. As long as there is human involvement you can not remove bias.

  76. How factual are obituaries? I remember some alcoholic dying who used to beat the living daylights out of his wife and kids. The obituary still read loving husband and father.

  77. Bias does not render something untrue. It makes it biased, not false.

  78. Patrick – you are confusing your writings with the writings of professional journalists who dont ebgage in your personal lack of fact checking and misrepresentation. The fact that there are zero standards here doesn’t mean there are zero standards at respected newspapers.

  79. As long as there is human involvement you can not remove bias.

    Is the law biased?

    Pat, please point out and explain the bais in this news report I’m reading:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-52184743

  80. yeah harri, they’re the bonkers set in the religious belt down south, sacrificing their people cos they believe science is a conspiracy theory run by obama and liberal universities or close to that .. whackos, and now murderers into the bargain . they should be charged when this all over and get the electric chair or life behind bars ..

  81. Patrick

    Dave no strawman and at times getting you to see the obvious is like talking to a wall.

    You truly are the king of projection Patrick. Now you know exactly how I feel trying to reason with you.

    ALL news reports contain bias. They are delivered by human beings. As long as there is human involvement you can not remove bias.

    So let me get this straight. The claim your making is that it’s impossible EVER, for any news report to just contain the facts and nothing else.
    That’s seriously the claim your making?

  82. *You’re. God damn you Google.

  83. The mega preachers in Florida and Texas who held large services this past weekend are moral criminals, as are the governors of those states.

    Anyone disagree?

    Even the prosperity gospel slickster Joel Osteen moved his services to online only two weeks ago.

  84. The police and or other law authorities should physically stop or break up those gatherings. Same for the big crowded funerals you showed in the lira orthodox Jewish areas in New York.

  85. Oops, lira should read ultra .

  86. The idiot governors of Florida and Texas exempted religious services from the social distance rulings.

    There state rules AFAIK overrule any local area prohibitions that used to exist

    It is as if they were trying to kill their own supporters

    The Orthodox would holler anti semitism if the cops properly broke up those gatherings

  87. IF THE Christian and Jewish fundies want to kill themselves, let them have fun.

    But these sons of bitches have no right to kill the rest of us too.

    https://gothamist.com/news/hasidic-funerals-crowds-ultra-orthodox-neighborhoods

  88. they’re fierce as fuk down there, the pastors are defending as tight as pat defends guns and assault weapons .. they saying they take their law from God, and freedom of religion
    there’s be a war if you try to stop them .. think Waco , 1993, think whacos 2020

  89. amazing lunacy saying they’re prepared to side step isolation cos they have the blood of jesus, but that argument fails if they have a break-in they don’t put faith in jesus saving them , nor the cops, 911, nope need an assault weapon. two americas folks, a 1st world and a 3rd world .. sad but true !

  90. I have had respect for conservative Christian and Jewish sects but I am losing that respect by the minute right about now.

  91. True believers are true believers no matter what the belief.

  92. yeah but its a false gospel preached, that’s what angers
    God is a god of the natural and the supernatural
    its not one or the others, and this why those fundies are so disfigured 🙁

  93. True believers also believe that their Gospel is the true Gospel Kurt.

  94. True believers are true believers no matter what the belief.

    True most of all for socialism, the bonkers belief of all beliefs.

  95. *Sigh

    All successful economies have elements of socialism within them Pete.

  96. No.

    All successful economies have socialist elements leaching off them.

  97. Pete

    Are you quite sure that this is the time for that reheated malarkey

    You can be wrong all the other days of the week, it doesn’t have to be now, too

  98. Phantom –

    You always burn your hands by reaching out for things you do not understand. Productive economic activity and socialism are wholly different things.

  99. Wise up Pete.

    Go down the well worn path to that mulberry bush again if you wish. I really can’t be bothered with batting hoary chestnuts just to arrive at the same conclusion we always arrive at.

  100. Paul –

    That mulberry bush is basic economics. What, if not productive economic activity, do you imagine generates the wealth to fund socialist elements?

  101. Pete

    This has been explained to you before so many times.

    Please read earlier comments and be educated.

  102. I note the net is closing in on the. Chief oaf at the WHO

    Follow the money, it’s always the money, you won’t go far wrong..

    WHO director faces calls to resign for ‘allowing China to cover up true impact of coronavirus’ ‘
    US politicians call for resignation of WHO head, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8192305/WHO-director-faces-calls-politicians-resign-handling-Chinas-coronavirus-response.html

    Resign?

    He should be put up against a wall.

  103. The super responsible, knowledgeable and effective Taiwan should be admitted to the WHO. They could teach China how to do things properly.

  104. kurt,
    //yeah but its a false gospel preached, that’s what angers//

    According to who?
    Who says the Muslims aren’t right?

  105. Phantom,

    You can be wrong all the other days of the week, it doesn’t have to be now, too

    LOL. Let Pete have his fun. He obviously enjoys being wrong, and God knows he’s had enough practice at it.

  106. Breaking news..

    Boris Johnson has been admitted to an intensive care unit.

    This is not looking good.

  107. Boris Johnson in intensive care: PM fighting for his life as coronavirus symptoms worsen

    BORIS JOHNSON has been admitted to intensive care as his condition has deteriorated after testing positive for coronavirus almost two weeks ago.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1265788/boris-johnson-coronavirus-health-intensive-care-unit-hospital

  108. relad dave this isn’t the time
    those crazy preachers are endangering lives, prolonging the virus
    and will be alot of innocent people die due to their stupidity

    I read it Harri, he”s got it bad .. it can take anyone we’ve seen that

    just a flu allan, still ..?

  109. The latest total lunatic conspiracy theory is that 5G causes coronavirus.

    Who brought up 5G?

    Anyway, since somebody brought it up, what does science say about its effects on air-breathing mammals such as people?

    Firstly, safety research…..senior telecom executives admitted they have not done any safety testing on 5G, nor do they plan to do any.

    US Senator Blumenthal Raises Concerns on 5G Wireless Technology Health Risks at Senate Hearing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekNC0J3xx1w

    and the risks…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaB7ewFsN0

    Just a reminder…..

    The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of.

    Edward Bernays, Propaganda

  110. Yes, it’s just the flu they said.

  111. The PM has gone to ICU.

    Is that what normally happens every year with the seasonal flu?

    Allan?

  112. Boris Johnson has been admitted to an intensive care unit.

    This is not looking good.

    I hope he pulls through.he didn’t look too good in his last picture.

  113. Oh yes – Boris Johnson is battling for his life.

    If he dies, then I’ll believe that he was battling for his life. Anything less is a mind-game being run by men that you’ve never heard of.

  114. Allan can’t stop being Allan.

  115. It’s a false flag

  116. He’s an actor

    The real Boris Johnson is being held prisoner in the Tower of London

    Some guy told me that so it’s true.

  117. Now take your eyes off BJ and Corona for a nano-moment and think of the name Emily Jones

    As I walked into the local supermarket today and saw the usual wall of corporate corona-news, I still saw nothing on a story which should affect anybody who has children:

    https://www.unz.com/sbpdl/her-name-is-emily-jones-white-seven-year-old-brutally-stabbed-to-death-by-somalian-immigrant-in-british-park/

    Outside of a few websites, the story of seven-year-old Emily Jones is barely being told. And there’s a reason for it.

    She was British, a young white little girl playing in a park with her family in the middle of the day. Though news is still breaking about what happened, we do know three things:

    She was brutally stabbed to death in front of her parents
    Her murder was a female Somalian immigrant
    The corporate media in the United Kingdom is conspicuously absent from covering this story and the obvious racial angle confirming Enoch Powell’s “Rivers of Blood” prophecy

    Emily Jones Bolton stabbing inquest: 7 year old girl killed by random woman while riding her scooter at Queen’s Park in Heaton. Court opens case into girl’s death.

    A seven-year-old girl was stabbed to death by a stranger woman in front of her father as she rode her scooter past a park bench on Mother’s Day, an inquest heard earlier this week in the UK.

    Emily Jones was out ‘enjoying the spring sun’ with her family at Queen’s Park in Heaton, Bolton on March 22 when the 30-year-old unidentified woman, who was sitting on a wooden bench, stabbed the girl in the neck. Emergency services were called to the park at around 2.30 pm – with the child rushed to nearby Salford Royal Hospital, only for Emily to tragically die a short time later despite ‘best efforts’ of doctors, the UK’s Bolton News reported.
    Acting Senior Coroner Alan Walsh, described Emily’s death as ‘one of the most tragic’, instances he’d presided over at the start of the inquest into the child’s death at Bolton Coroner’s Court.

    The accused woman was arrested at the park and has been detained under the Mental Health Act. She remains in a high-security facility. Social media identified the perpetrator as a Somalian immigrant. Authorities have yet to confirm the woman’s identity.

    Why is that savage even in this country?

  118. Here’s an example of how the hoax is played. An Australian offers a critique of celebrations outside a NY hospital the day after an additional 635 died of Covid-19 overnight. The 635 dead is reported immediately and the festivities commence at 6.00:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3MmLzlvSQ&feature=emb_logo

  119. Anything less is a mind-game being run by men that you’ve never heard of

    Yes, it’s probably pre-election PR or something from spin doctors.

    A parody of a parody FFS.

  120. If he dies, then I’ll believe that he was battling for his life. Anything less is a mind-game being run by men that you’ve never heard of.

    are those the same men in league with the little grey aliens setting us up for colonization…. or just the Buildaburgers ?

  121. I’ll take my with lettuce and tomato, french fried potatoes and a cold beer….. but don’t forget the big slice of a crisp KOSHER pickle…… we must always salute our jewish overlords.

  122. pre-election PR

    ‘pre-election’? These people who run your life are playing for bigger things than a fake ‘democracy’. Right now, when you are isolating and social-distancing and not using cash and only getting back to work with an ‘immunity certificate’ on the basis of hysterical fear of seasonal flu – which has scared the shit out of you – the Biblical Mark of the Beast is on its way, and you’ll be a) saying that it’s not true then b) saying that it’s a great idea for everybody to have implanted ID chips:

    https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines

    The ID2020 Alliance has launched a new digital identity program at its annual summit in New York, in collaboration with the Government of Bangladesh, vaccine alliance Gavi, and new partners in government, academia, and humanitarian relief.

    The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.

    Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination.

    and this is how the gullible mass is persuaded by men you’ve never heard of to accept servitude and debt-slavery

    https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines

    The ID2020 Alliance has launched a new digital identity program at its annual summit in New York, in collaboration with the Government of Bangladesh, vaccine alliance Gavi, and new partners in government, academia, and humanitarian relief.

    The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.

    Digital identity is a computerized record of who a person is, stored in a registry. It is used, in this case, to keep track of who has received vaccination.

    “that none may buy or sell unless they bear the mark of the Beast”.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8189585/Italy-records-lowest-daily-death-toll-nearly-two-weeks-525-fatalities-24-hours.html

    He said social distancing would have to remain, with wider use of individual protection devices such as face masks, while local health systems would be strengthened, to allow a faster and more efficient treatment of suspected COVID-19 cases.

    Testing and ‘contact tracing’ would be extended, including with the use of smartphone apps and other forms of digital technology

    This is a trial run using the full weight of coercive media to cajole through fear, and it shall be repeated. The incompetent Fauci says that Covid-19 shall be seasonal – just like flu – and the ‘vaccine’, complete with tracker-chip, will be readily accepted by those too stupid to see what they’re going to lose.

  123. Patrick

    are those the same men in league with the little grey aliens setting us up for colonization…. or just the Buildaburgers

    You’re just not seeing the big picture Patrick.
    The aliens are in league with the Jewish bankers, who are actually shape shifting reptiles, as are all the British royal family, (except for Charles who’s a vampire).
    To hide shape of the earth, which is really flat, and where the weather is controlled by Barack Obama, (who is really Malcolm X son). Whilst poisoning us with chemtrails and vaccines. Paul McCartney in Avril Lavigne knew this, which is why they’ve had to be murdered and replaced by actors.

    Hope that clears things up mate.

  124. Dave – two points here.

    a) you claim to be a man of science and
    b) it was you who brought the matter of 5G to this thread

    At 8.57pm I linked directly to what the science says about 5G and also showed that the corporates driving 5G are doing no safety studies nor research. Here is the science – what do you make of it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaB7ewFsN0

  125. At 8.57pm I linked directly to what the science says about 5G

    No, Allan, you linked to what Martin Pall said about it. He is a retired professor and a known crank who since his retirement has been publishing pseudo-scientific papers on a ridiculous range of subjects which have virtually zero support in the scientific community. His obsession is the (purely imaginary) damage caused by electromagnetic radiation. That talk was given at a crank lecture, hosted by a crank organisation. It’s complete balls.

    You’re a tiresome old fool and your delusions of grandeur, and conviction that you have some precious insight into the world that the rest of us have missed, are wholly misplaced. If a single person believes any of the nonsense you have written online then the world is a poorer place. At this moment in history, truth equals lives. So take your conspiratorial bullshit and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

  126. You’re just not seeing the big picture Patrick.
    The aliens are in league with the Jewish bankers, who are actually shape shifting reptiles, as are all the British royal family, (except for Charles who’s a vampire).
    To hide shape of the earth, which is really flat, and where the weather is controlled by Barack Obama, (who is really Malcolm X son). Whilst poisoning us with chemtrails and vaccines. Paul McCartney in Avril Lavigne knew this, which is why they’ve had to be murdered and replaced by actors.

    Hope that clears things up mate.

    aahh perfectly thank you Dave….. but can I still get the Burger ?

  127. Allan

    You never seem to have anything good to say about any new technology, or anything at all.

    Everything is a conspiracy, everything is bad!!

  128. nice one pat,
    buildaburger with chips ,
    did you know sandy hook was a jewish gal with a hook nose, its all over the daily stormer
    its a conspiracy i tell ya, – no its not allan you’re lost in a lost world
    bad place to ne .. get help while u can
    ( oops no good saying that i’m one of the gullible masses allan has come to save )
    dear Lord

  129. Patrick

    aahh perfectly thank you Dave….. but can I still get the Burger ?

    Buildaburgers and burgers are plentiful in the matrix mate. You just have to believe!

  130. Allan@Aberdeen,

    Dave – two points here.

    a) you claim to be a man of science and
    b) it was you who brought the matter of 5G to this thread

    I worked on software related to the 5G network mate. You can’t trust me.