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ATW QOTD

By Pete Moore On April 26th, 2020

“For the past 40 years we have been inculcated with the same mantra: ‘The NHS is being underfunded. Its staff are demoralised. The entire service is on the brink of collapse.’

But when faced with its biggest challenge for a century, the NHS did not collapse. The staff and their institution stood strong.”

 – Dan Hodges

This is indisputably true.

The NHS is constantly “on the brink of collapse” when the Tories are in government. Anyone who has spent five minutes in the UK has heard the dire warnings because they have been incessant for decades.

But it turns out that the NHS was so far from the brink of collapse that it withstood a once-in-a-century epidemic. The Labour Party and the wider left has just had its primary electoral message wholly nullified. For a long time to come no-one will be able to say that the NHS is on the brink of collapse.

64 Responses to “ATW QOTD”

  1. The Labour Party and the wider left has just had its primary electoral message wholly nullified

    As has Pete and his NHS being a death service.

    But when faced with its biggest challenge for a century, the NHS did not collapse. The staff and their institution stood strong.”

    https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/03/over-400000-people-join-nhs-army-of-volunteers-in-one-day/

  2. OK so one minute Pete Moore claims the NHS is an appalling ‘commie’ shambles and the most destructive organised state killing machine on the planet, the next he agrees with the premise that it is a thriving success which coped well with the biggest medical emergency for a century !

    Pete is the Glenda Slagg of ATW (google that name to see the reference)

  3. Colm –

    Our Beloved NHS is certainly an appalling commie shambles, but one sufficiently funded by the Tories to not be on the permanent brink of collapse.

  4. The NHS is not a shambles.

    They have choreographed some very good time consuming Tik-Tok dance moves in their spare time.. wearing full PPE.

    😉

  5. //one minute Pete Moore claims the NHS is an appalling ‘commie’ shambles and the most destructive organised state killing machine on the planet, the next he agrees with the premise that it is a thriving success which coped well with the biggest medical emergency for a century//

    Propagandists always need doublethink. In Oceania one minute Eurasia is a fine place and the next it’s the devil himself.

  6. petem i suggest take a break from NHS posts, its complexity is beyond even expert understanding .. so bit of a waste of time and grey matter to make grandiose sweeping statements about it, which are just opinions and like assholes we all have them ;

    No, better is to demand its continued funding and improvement
    no more ideology please, the fruit of which is suggestions to open tescos as a provider.

    It is what it is, and it is beloved , you got that bit right .

  7. Our Beloved NHS is certainly an appalling commie shambles, but one sufficiently funded by the Tories to not be on the permanent brink of collapse.

    Oh dear Pete, what an illogical spaghetti junction sentence that is. You certainly are flailing around !

  8. so bit of a waste of time and grey matter to make grandiose sweeping statements about it, which are just opinions and like assholes we all have them ;

    Yup, and in your sad and unfortunate case, two of them.

    The second being the one situated directly under your nose.

    😁

  9. Harri

    Your obvious love admiration and secret mancrush on kurt is becoming more obvious with each ‘insulting’ comment you throw up as a deflection 🙂

  10. Colm.

    Stop trying to be all clever and stuff, you old gammon.

    It doesn’t suit you, it’s not in your character, and way, way beyond your ability..

    😉

  11. Sweet dreams Harri, don’t spend all night dreaming of kurt 🙂

  12. The NHS has the best dance routines of any public sector in the world and being able to find time for the choreography IN THE MIDDLE OF A GENOCIDAL PANDEMIC is the greatest example of time-management in the modern era. The ability IN THE MIDDLE OF A GENOCIDAL PANDEMIC to achieve lower acute-illness bed-occupancy rates is astonishing, as is the ability to

    https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/nhs-hospitals-have-four-times-more-empty-beds-than-normal/7027392.article#.XpS0F7FSpWg.twitter

    Figures from the national NHS operational dashboard, seen by HSJ, show that 40.9 per cent of NHS general acute beds were unoccupied as of the weekend — 37,500 of the total 91,600 relevant beds recorded in the data. That is 4,500 more than the 33,000 the NHS said had been freed up on 27 March, and nearly four times the normal amount of free acute beds at this time of year.

    Additionally, the ability to have almost eliminated heart disease in the elderly to the point that almost nobody is dying from it is fcuknig amzanig, so how is it done?

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/20/coronavirus-lockdown-and-what-you-are-not-being-told-part-2/

    Everyday, for weeks, the MSM has reported every single UK death which was supposedly due to COVID 19. This has been central to their effort to convince us of the severity of the pandemic. The reporting always supports the State’s narrative that the lockdown is necessary.

    Under normal circumstances, when someone dies, a person who knows them well, such as a family member, or someone who was physically close to the person at the time of death, is the qualified informant who can notify the registrar of the circumstances and non medical details of the death.

    That is not true for suspected C19 patients. For them a funeral director, who has almost certainly never met the deceased, can be the qualified informant. This places far more emphasis on the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death (MCCD) as registration can take place without any input from family or anyone else familiar with the circumstances of the death.

    Prior to the Coronavirus Act, the last attending doctor to the deceased had the responsibility to register the death. However, in the case of suspected C19 deaths, that duty can be discharged by a doctor who has never met the patient.

    The UK State guidance for C19 patients states:

    – A doctor who attended the deceased during their last illness has a legal responsibility to complete a MCCD….. this duty may be discharged through another doctor who may complete an MCCD in an emergency period….In an emergency period, any doctor can complete the MCCD….For the purposes of the emergency period, the attendance may be in person, via video/visual consultation, but not audio (e.g. via telephone)….Where the certifying doctor has not seen the deceased before death they should delete the words last seen alive by me on….-

    When an MCCD is completed the medical causes are listed sequentially with the immediate cause of death at the top and the underlying cause of death at the bottom of the list. For example, heart failure caused by pneumonia stemming from influenza would list the immediate cause of death as a heart attack and the underlying cause as influenza. That underlying cause is usually diagnosed through positive test results.

    It is crucial to understand that for C19 to be recorded on the MCCD, as the underlying cause of death, there does not need to be any test based diagnosis of the syndrome. Diagnosis can simply be from observation of symptoms or CT scans. The guidance to medical practitioners states:

    – if before death the patient had symptoms typical of COVID 19 infection, but the test result has not been received, it would be satisfactory to give ‘COVID-19’ as the cause of death, tick Box B and then share the test result when it becomes available. In the circumstances of there being no swab, it is satisfactory to apply clinical judgement. –

    Given this seeming lack of clarity, guidance from the Royal College of Pathologists (RCP) is also concerning.

    In circumstances where C19 is merely believed to be a factor they advise that there is no need for a post mortem.

    – If a death is believed to be due to confirmed COVID-19 infection, there is unlikely to be any need for a post-mortem examination to be conducted and the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death should be issued.”

    Eddy Large, a British comedian who had a heart transplant and was in hospital for severe cardiac difficulty, died of Covid-19: that is what his death certificate states.

    https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/10/empty-non-coronavirus-beds-raise-fears-that-sickest-are-avoiding-nhs/

    Most striking of all is evidence of a precipitate fall in the number seeking help for cardiac symptoms.

    Those dance routines need practice time, and this is the best time to do them

  13. Colm, on April 26th, 2020 at 9:29 PM Said:
    Sweet dreams Harri, don’t spend all night dreaming of kurt 🙂

    It’s a deal you complete prick…if you don’t spend all night wanking over him.

    Colm.

    You are better than this, Kurt has sucked you in, and spat you out like a used dummy…you dummy.

    Wake up for fucks sake.

  14. Your obvious love admiration and secret mancrush on kurt is becoming more obvious with each ‘insulting’ comment you throw up as a deflection 🙂

    Talking of having a man crush Colm.

    Is “throwing up the term gammon” becoming more obvious every time you follow your sidekick Kurt the ATW village fucking idiot every single time the weapons grade arsehole uses the term?

    That sort of deflection.

    Colm. You asked for an argument, you got one.

    Where’s the problem?

  15. Colm. You asked for an argument, you got one.
    Where’s the problem?

    Colm, you cunt.

    I thought you wanted an argument?

    Wakey fucking wakey.

    Kurt the cunt is relying on you.

    😏

  16. The hoax is now visible to sensible people, who are clearly a minority of the Britons in these islands:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256109/Social-distancing-two-metres-apart-based-figure-says-government-adviser.html

    Is there any science behind two-metre social distancing rule…? Government adviser says guidelines on keeping apart was ‘conjured out of nowhere’

    It’s a hoax

  17. Allan.

    I agree to a very large point.

    Something here is very, very wrong.

  18. Boy, good that we have Allan on the case.

    Those deep staters and fake doctors won’t get away with anything, you betcha!

  19. lol Harri’s triggered ( again )
    my oh my .. multi-thread, multi-attacks with viciousness and swearing
    and Allan proves 50,000 dead and nigh on 1 million effected is a “hoax”
    when did people start to dumb down so badly – needs explaining ..

  20. Kurt, Jude, Percy or whoever the fuck you are now.

    Go fuck yourself you poisonous racist cunt.

  21. when did people start to dumb down so badly – needs explaining ..

    When you infected ATW.

  22. But it turns out that the NHS was so far from the brink of collapse that it withstood a once-in-a-century epidemic.

    More anti-NHS bullshit from NHS-hating Rightworld. The NHS has only managed this pandemic by closing down for all non-virus patients, as even the always NHS-bashing Daily Mail now admits. Thousands of eldery patients were decanted into “care homes” where thousands of them have since died. And thousands more have died at home from heart attacks and other preventable deaths because the message was and still is to “stay at home and save the NHS!”

    GP appointments have been cancelled, so hundreds of cancer suspects are not getting referred for treatment each week. We will be living with excess cancer deaths for years ahead. But it will all be the fault of “NHS beuraucrats”, not Tory austerity cuts since 2010.

  23. Let’s look at the hoax…..

    Right now, there are large demos in Wisconsin demanding that the state be re-opened. At time of writing, the number of confirmed cases going by the current flawed method is 5.587 with 266 deaths attributed to Covid-19. Now, by way of comparison…

    https://www.channel3000.com/379-in-wisconsin-died-of-flu-during-2017-2018-flu-season-state-health-officials-say/

    This is why the Covid-19 thing is a hoax. The purpose of this lockdown is to destroy the active middle-class. As WaPo reports from Wisconsin…..

    While some belittled the virus as not as threatening as public officials have claimed or poked at people who had turned out in masks, many questioned issues like how the government had deemed which businesses were essential or not, including why it was okay to buy products like shoes or flowers at Walmart but it was not okay to shop at small local businesses.

  24. This is why the Covid-19 thing is a hoax.

    And the fact that every country in the world is participating just proves even more that it’s a hoax. Trump was right all along, he’s been way-laid by evil liars but he’ll get back on message soon.

    Are the deaths faked? Is the human heartbreak faked? Are the family mourners all actors like in the mass school shootings in the USA? I’ll take a wild guess that the answer is yes and yes and yes.

  25. Allan believes that, and the little Allans half believe it.

  26. The NHS, like much now, has been politicised and then weaponised. Labour don’t care about the NHS, BAME people, the poor, the elderly or those without a job. They don’t even care about the latest bunch of ‘victims’ to patronise, politicise and then weaponise. All they care about is destroying their opponents by any means and gaining power.

    Before the last General Election, and former NHS employee said he would never vote Labour as it was they that were privatising the NHS. First it was the cleaners. Then the porters. And now it just about everyone else. Only the ‘managers’ (sic) are NHS employees, with big fat salaries to boot !

  27. And the fact that every country in the world is participating just proves even more that it’s a hoax.

    No – it shows the scale of the hoax. The mortality figures and the manner of manipulation are now evident. We can all see for ourselves that people are not dying in the streets, nor anywhere else other than a hospital or care home – and these are places where people, especially old people, die anyway. It’s a hoax, and the dupes are feeding it.

    One thing about the perpetrators of the hoax, which centres on Gates’s corporate cabal, is that they are absolutely correct in their conviction that such a hoax can be pulled off. Nobody here is looking at the figures, possibly because of the innumeracy of the public and ATW is a section of that public – but also because everybody is tied up emotionally and physically in the lockdown. To learn that the lockdown is a hoax means that the person learning that has been duped, and it’s easier to dupe people than to persuade them that they’ve been duped.

    The numbers are available above at 9.35pm

  28. Allan

    OK lets take your premise that it is a hoax. What is the benefit to governments of crippling their economies, their tax incomes, their industries and the productive working and social lives of millions for a hoax ?

  29. The pure statistics show that there was an excess of 40,000 deaths in the UK within a certain (short, I think it was only 8 weeks) period – 40,000 MORE people dying than the average for the same period in previous years.

    So what the hell is killing all these people?

    (probably the next step will be the claim that the NHS is deliberately mass murdering old people simply to maintain the fiction of Covid19)

  30. the next grim figure to come out will be 3 mill confirmed cases world wide
    1 mill in USA alone, but according to Trunk nations are phoning him for advice

    he’s stopped the pressers are the disinfectant fiasco
    but is still having problem spelling Nobel prize and confusing it with the Pulitzer

    https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    he’s having a meltdown on twitter over fox news too
    https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/fox-news-turns-against-him-donald-trump-deep-end/27991/

  31. Matt Drudge has “ turned against “ Trump also

    ( He’s no longer blindly supportive )

    https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/entertainment/article/Drudge-draws-Trump-s-ire-in-split-between-15214006.php

  32. that is pretty significant given Drudge standing over last 20 years
    you just can’t burn up people like that and hope to get on as POTUS
    as we know media is power , soft power, but power nonetheless

  33. Oops, that Drudge comment belonged on the NYT thread.

    I will reprint it there, OK to delete it here.

  34. Pete thinks that an underfunded organization can’t come up big in a crisis?

    Huh?

  35. the next grim figure to come out will be 3 mill confirmed cases world wide

    OMG – we’ll be dropping like flies because this disease is a killer 🙂

    In reality, and with the infection numbers becoming available, the mortality rate is within the bandwidth of flu and increasingly at the lower end:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/lifting-the-lockdown-easy-does-it/

    “About 6 percent of Miami-Dade’s population — about 165,000 residents — have antibodies indicating a past infection by the novel coronavirus, dwarfing the state health department’s tally of about 10,600 cases, according to preliminary study results announced by University of Miami researchers Friday” (“Miami-Dade has tens of thousands of missed coronavirus infections, UM survey finds”, Miami Herald)

    So there have been 287 deaths in Miami-Dade county while over 165,000 residents have already had the virus. That’s a Fatality Rate of 0.17% which means that roughly 2 in every 1,000 people will die. 2 deaths per thousand does not warrant shutting down the entire economy.

    And the question from Colm is…….

    What is the benefit to governments of crippling their economies, their tax incomes, their industries and the productive working and social lives of millions for a hoax ?

    It’s not about money – the megalomaniacs have all the money. As taken from the second link at 9.35pm…….

    Seeing as it is increasingly evident that the C19 threat has been massively over-hyped, why would the State and its globalist partners want the economic destruction to continue?

    Firstly it delivers on a number of long held globalist objectives.

    A cashless society, mandatory vaccination, universal basic income, a surveillance state, restricted freedom of movement and a complete restructuring of the global economy have already been touted as necessary following the “pandemic.” All of these ambitions and economic realities existed before the pandemic first emerged in China.

    The State has already moved towards censoring anyone who questions vaccines. It is vital to understand that the canard of the antivaxxer is a meaningless trope.

    It is entirely possible to accept that vaccines can contribute towards effective preventative public health programs while, at the same time, questioning the efficacy and purpose of some vaccines. Vaccines are not all the same.

    The State’s and the MSM’s insistence that anyone who question any vaccines is some sort of whacked out, new age, science Luddite is total nonsense. No one will be permitted to question vaccines, and that fact alone should be sufficient to raise anyone’s suspicion.

    From GAVI to the WHO and from the BMGF to Imperial College the response to the C19 pandemic has been driven by foundations and pharmaceutical corporations with considerable investments in vaccine development. Of course they would like to see global mandatory vaccination.

    To just ignore this, because you’ve been told by the MSM that questioning any vaccine is a “conspiracy theory”, not only evidences a lack of critical thinking it demonstrates a degree of brainwashing.

    Global financial institutions, such as the IMF, have been advocating the cashless society for years. A cashless society will allow central banks to control every aspect of your life.

    Everything you buy can be tracked and your purchases could easily be limited to exclude certain items.

    Although there is very little evidence that handling cash presents any increased threat of infection that hasn’t stopped the MSM from selling the idea.

    The impact of the lockdown regime across the globe has already had a devastating economic impact. All the indicators are that the regime will throw the global economy into a deep depression. The longer it continues the worse it will get.

    The tendency of some to claim this doesn’t matter because saving life is the only concern is hopelessly myopic. The link between poverty and significantly increased mortality is beyond dispute. The cure will definitely be far worse than the disease.

    As millions are forced into unemployment the outlook isn’t good. However, while the State will undoubtedly claim that unemployment has been caused by the C19 crisis, in truth the imminent economic collapse was already driving up unemployment before the crisis began.

    This has led to increasing calls for the State to provide a Universal Basic Income.

    This will create mass dependency upon the State for huge swathes of the population. Affording the State immeasurable control over people’s lives. In a cashless society, people who don’t behave in accordance with State regulations, could be punished financially. Instant fines will be commonplace.

    Exactly as Aaron Russo told Alex Jiones in 2007

  36. allan u misunderstand as always
    we would be dropping like flies, but for the severe lockdowns
    its really that simple and you don’t need to be on the internet to know that .

  37. To those like Allan and Patrick who dismiss this as ‘just a flu’ well I have one answer.

    So was the Spanish Flu !

  38. we would be dropping like flies, but for the severe lockdowns

    Stupity is reaching depths that hadn’t been known prior to the advent of the internet. Nobody, anywhere, is dropping like flies. The infection rate is high but nobody knows that they have it because it is so mild, hence asymptomatic.

    The truly stupid are so stupid that they cannot recognise their own stupidity

  39. This post is a Pete Moore classic.

    But it turns out that the NHS was so far from the brink of collapse that it withstood a once-in-a-century epidemic.

    Yes, by cancelling every single elective operation and non-essential appointment. For three months, and possibly much longer. Any idea what that’s going to do to waiting lists? How long do you think Mrs Miggins is going to be waiting when she needs a new hip?

    It has also withstood the crisis because central government set up several new critical-care hospitals in conference venues at a cost of hundreds of millions of (borrowed) public money.

    The knock-on effects of this disaster are going to be with us for years.

    The cynical dishonesty of Pete Moore is just breathtaking.

  40. Allan.

    I agree to a very large point.

    Something here is very, very wrong.

    Oh what a surprise. Allan’s mini-me has decided that he agrees with the Holocaust-denying weirdo. Not even the Prime Minister spending five days in an ICU is enough to convince these dimwits that there might actually be a reasonably dangerous virus at large.

    Top tip, Harri. Deciding that ‘it’s all a hoax’ is not a sign that you are clever and special. It just shows that you are an easily-led simpleton with delusions of grandeur.

  41. If the sun rises in the east, that will prove to Pete that the NHS is no good.

  42. Nobody, anywhere, is dropping like flies

    as has been explained multiple times , the shut-down has prevented this
    can’t teach stupid

  43. yep

    Of course if people did drop like flies, that would be proof that they were murdered by the NHS

  44. //Of course if people did drop like flies, that would be proof that they were murdered by the NHS//

    🙂 Right. For the conspiracy loons this is a win-win.

  45. masterson –

    Yes, by cancelling every single elective operation and non-essential appointment.

    Tell Phantom and Noel about it when they start dropping like flies.

    It has also withstood the crisis because central government set up several new critical-care hospitals in conference venues at a cost of hundreds of millions of (borrowed) public money.

    The knock-on effects of this disaster are going to be with us for years.

    That’s the point, bird brain. Our Beloved NHS survived because the Tories have thrown enough money at it. Even chronically dysfunctional soviets like Our Beloved NHS will stand up with enough money thrown at them.

  46. So the NHS does actually work when provided adequate funding? Who’da thunk it?

  47. Ooookay, Pete, so just to reiterate your own point:

    The NHS survived because it was given enough money to function, for a change.

    Your pathological inability to admit when you are wrong really does tie you up in some hilarious ideological knots sometimes.

  48. British Trump fans are like US Trump fans.

    They’re always right, because they said so!

  49. The NHS survived because it was given enough money to function, for a change.

    No, bird brain. The NHS has always had more than enough money. Now it has more then more than enough money.

    The fact that Our Tory NHS did not topple over, the fact that bodies are not piled up like a Labour Winter of Discontent, is obviously very galling to commies.

  50. The NHS has always had more than enough money. Now it has more then more than enough money.

    Pete, you’re self-evidently not stupid. So how can you be so completely dim?

    The NHS has suspended virtually all its activity except acute care. The hospitals are turning away anybody whose life isn’t at imminent risk. That is the only reason that we still have the ability to treat any patients at all.

    Twisting that into ‘the NHS has plenty of money’ is such an extreme distortion of the facts that I can’t believe that even *you* can attempt it with a straight face.

  51. masterson –

    The NHS has suspended virtually all its activity except acute care.

    Bullshit.

    Politicians and clinicians have been urging people to use Our Beloved NHS if they think they need to. They’ve been doing so for weeks. Look, even the BBC is stopping short of the bullshit you are coming out with.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52417599

    Coronavirus: Plea for public to get medical care when they need it

    People should seek medical care when they need it and not be put off by the coronavirus epidemic, say doctors, charities and the health service.

    Anyone who delays seeking treatment is putting their long-term health at risk, as well as their life, they warn.

    Half the usual number of people are going to A&E and treatment for heart attacks and strokes is down.

    Seeking medical help is one of the four reasons people can safely leave home, government guidance says.

    NHS England’s medical director Stephen Powis said he was concerned by the reduced numbers.

  52. Pete – the bullshit is from you, they’ve put off virtually all elective surgeries.

  53. Pete, you are spouting unmitigated crap.

    All non-urgent surgery was suspended in mid-March, for a minimum of three months. Two million operations have been cancelled. Two million! And that number is going to rise.

    All non-urgent face-to-face appointments have been postponed, many of them indefinitely.

    Politicians and clinicians have been urging people to use Our Beloved NHS if they think they need to

    And you’re simply being thick here, because the story you link to does not say what you suggest it does. The giveaway quote that indicates that Pete Is Being An Idiot is this one:

    Half the usual number of people are going to A&E and treatment for heart attacks and strokes is down.

    Those suffering from heart attacks and strokes are ACUTE PATIENTS. Got it, Pete? People who are seriously ill, who at present are staying away from hospital because they’re worried about making a fuss or getting in the way. They are being told to go to hospital because their lives are in danger if they do not get treatment.

    Meanwhile, nobody in the entire country is getting their hip replaced, or their haemorrhoids resected, or their hernias repaired, or their bladder stones pulverised, or their corns removed.

    As I may have mentioned before, my wife is a doctor in an NHS hospital, so I know whereof I speak. The fact that she hasn’t been able to send a single patient to an operating theatre since early March would tend to indicate that it’s not exactly business as usual.

    I’m not sure whether you’re deluded fool or a dishonest one. But I suggest you stop now, because you are 100% wrong.

  54. we asked petem to leave the NHS alone, its way over his head last few days
    maybe this time .. penny will drop ..

  55. masterson –

    You are so thick I must remind you of what you said:

    The NHS has suspended virtually all its activity except acute care.

    This is plainly bullshit. You even quote back to me what I quoted you, that “Half the usual number of people are going to A&E”. A&E is not acute care yet all A&E facilities are open. GPs are still open for business. People presenting with acute symptoms are still receiving treatment. Paediatric services all open. On and on it goes. Don’t mislead people with your ignorant comments.

  56. Not even the Prime Minister spending five days in an ICU is enough to convince these dimwits that there might actually be a reasonably dangerous virus at large.

    That was just theatre – there was fuck-all wrong with Johnson and the point of him ‘having’ COV was to convince the “dimwits that there might actually be a reasonably dangerous virus at large”

    mysteron – why aren’t we dropping like flies?

  57. Don’t mislead people with your ignorant comments.

    mysteron isn’t ignorant – he is an outright liar who displays remarkable chutzpah. I wonder who he could be??

  58. Oh wow.

  59. Pete – you aren’t as dumb as ATW’s right world fanatics so you can’t be expected to have us believe your just aren’t being false.

  60. A&E is not acute care yet all A&E facilities are open

    Oh dear, Pete. It would appear that you don’t understand what ‘acute care’ means. Wikipedia offers this terse definition:

    a branch of secondary health care where a patient receives active but short-term treatment for a severe injury or episode of illness, an urgent medical condition, or during recovery from surgery

    In the context of healthcare, ‘acute’ (urgent) is the opposite of ‘chronic’ (long-term).

    A&E is the very epitome of acute care. Indeed, all A&E services in the NHS are run by organisations known as ‘acute NHS trusts’.

    Somebody who makes a statement so boneheadedly idiotic as ‘A&E is not acute care’ is on very thin ice when they call me ‘thick’. You’re a fraud.

  61. Mysteron isn’t ignorant

    ‘Mysteron?’ Where did that come from? A straw man being constructed to be attacked?

    Your simple, factual logic sure shakes up a few around here Masterson. It’s quite entertaining to watch.

  62. pearls and swine springs to mind

  63. It should by now be obvious that Pete is speaking from a position of deep ignorance when he discusses the NHS. It is an absolutely basic fact that A&E (that’s the ER, for our American friends) is an acute care service. Not knowing that is akin to not realising that the House of Commons is part of Parliament.

    Please feel free to acknowledge your error, Pete. Otherwise there is the distinct possibility that people will think you are being cavalier about the facts.

  64. Pete Moore,
    //masterson –

    The NHS has suspended virtually all its activity except acute care.

    (Pete Moore) Bullshit.//

    That’s not bull**** that’s completely true.
    You really do talk crap at times Pete.