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“MAN GOES TO DURHAM” SHOCK

By Pete Moore On May 23rd, 2020

The British press has had the worst epidemic of any group. It has sunk even further today by going apocalyptically mental at the revelation that Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s chief advisor, drove to Durham.

In short, Mrs Cummings had the Wuhan Flu. He assumed he would get it, so they drove from London to an empty property where they self-isolated. His family was nearby so supplies could be dropped off and their 4 year old son could be helped if necessary.

I have no problem with that and neither does anyone have a problem with that, in truth. The reaction is purely political. Tories defend him (even if they think he should have stayed in London) and commies are publicly aghast, even if they are not really aghast in private.

The media has gone mental because Cummings led the successful campaign to win the EU referendum. That made him Dr Evil in fashionable, pro-EU salons. So they see his leaving London during lockdown as the crack into which to hammer their wedge. They want him gone because he’s highly effective and Boris relies heavily on him. That’s a Boris who is clearly not yet fully recovered from the Yellow Peril, but politics is dirty.

That’s what it’s all about. I had no problem with Scotland’s then Chief Medical Advisor going to her holiday home. I had no problem with Stephen Kinnock sitting in his father’s front garden on his father’s birthday. You have to be a total bedwetter to be outraged by this stuff. And no-one with any sense of proportion will have a problem with Dominic Cummings doing what’s best for his child either.

Maybe the valuable takeaway is that we should just get to living our lives as we see fit, sensibly.

46 Responses to ““MAN GOES TO DURHAM” SHOCK”

  1. Cummings was one of the most vociferous supporters of lockdown and was a big influence on Johnson adopting this disastrous policy which has torched our economy for years to come. Now we find that he has clearly broken his own rules, but that’s ok because he’s a top Tory, just like cabinet member Robert Jenrick broke the rules a few weeks ago and got away with it. They are stinking Tory hypocrites.

    I now consider myself released from the lockdown and I’m sure that millions more think like I do. The lockdown is toast. Let’s ignore it and it will soon collapse.

  2. Arguments about the necessities and effectiveness of the rules and restrictions surround the Coronavirus outbreak are seperate to the salient point here. Of course as described, Mr Cummings behaviour was entirely uncontroversial , sensible and even mundane, in normal times.

    However, Mr Cummings advises the government on policies that were enforced on the whole country and by this action he disregarded them, of that there is no doubt. People were not permitted to travel hundreds of miles from one home to another, and even more so in the case of families with known or suspected COVID-19 illness. Nobody was allowed to choose to change their isolation address mid quarantine or travel across the country while ill with the virus.

    You can argue that the rules were ridiculous or oppressive and should never have been implemented or even that they should be ignored but you cannot defend the people who were the architects of that rule with legal authority now deciding they don’t have to apply those same rules to themselves.

  3. They are stinking Tory hypocrites.

    The are involved in politics, they are all stinking hypocrites.

    I now consider myself released from the lockdown and I’m sure that millions more think like I do. The lockdown is toast. Let’s ignore it and it will soon collapse.

    I agree, however, you will be finally released when you have the necessary ‘paperwork’ in the form of a digital certificate (chip) to allow you to go about them “ new normal”

    Ever feel like you have been had?

    Now would be a good time.

  4. Jumbo is in big trouble this time.

  5. Jumbo has just spanked the economy.

    Destroyed businesses, jobs, futures, families, hopes & dreams for possibly generations.

    So, just how much ‘trouble’ can Jumbo expect?

  6. Peter,

    “I now consider myself released from the lockdown and I’m sure that millions more think like I do. The lockdown is toast. Let’s ignore it and it will soon collapse.”

    Right on, giving coronavirus to your elderly neighbors is really going to show the Tories up! If It turns out Cummings got a speeding ticket on the way to Durham would you drive like you were on the autobahn too?

    It looks like the lockdown was a week late, in terms of lives saved, i.e. 75% of the deaths so far appear to have been unnecessary. As for the lockdown “torching the economy”, how’s Sweden doing? Same as the rest of Europe.

    Looks suspiciously like it’s the pandemic “torching” the economy.

  7. MR.

    And no, making some dopey woolly headed liberal feel all self-righteous, warm and fluffy for 30 seconds doesn’t count.

  8. Frank

    1. I would not put anyone at risk. Social distancing and masks are sensible and I do both.

    2. Sweden’s economy is nowhere near as wrecked as the UK economy and their death rates are lower than ours. And they will have more immunity when the expected second wave arrives. Will we have to lock down again in October and destroy what remains of our economy? Good luck trying to enforce that.

  9. 2. Sweden’s economy is nowhere near as wrecked as the UK economy and their death rates are lower than ours. And they will have more immunity when the expected second wave arrives. Will we have to lock down again in October and destroy what remains of our economy? Good luck trying to enforce that.

    Precisely.

  10. Peter,

    “Sweden’s economy is nowhere near as wrecked as the UK economy”

    In GDP terms it is as wrecked as its neighbors which locked down.

    “their death rates are lower than ours”

    No they’re not, and it’s not a valid comparison anyway.

    “they will have more immunity when the expected second wave arrives”

    Many less have been infected than they thought. Which also means their death rates are even worse than they thought.

    Plus nobody knows how long immunity lasts, or even if it exists at all.

    “Will we have to lock down again in October and destroy what remains of our economy?”

    If you have your way, probably.

  11. Peter,

    “Social distancing and masks are sensible and I do both.”

    Which part of lockdown do you intend to break then and why is it safe for you to do that.

  12. The ‘lockdown’ or any preceding lockdowns, will only last until you succumb to the mandatory vaccine accompanied by a digital certificate.

    End of.

  13. People were not permitted to travel hundreds of miles from one home to another, and even more so in the case of families with known or suspected COVID-19 illness.

    Actually they were, for this purpose. Dr Harries said so at the time and repeated that today. You couldn’t hop around the country but you could move in order to locate yourself somewhere better or to protect family members.

  14. No they’re not, and it’s not a valid comparison anyway.

    Death rates per million of population (per Johns Hopkins University):
    Belgium 801
    Spain 597
    UK 538
    Italy 535
    France 420
    Sweden 376
    Germany 98
    Denmark 96
    Finland 55
    Norway 44

    And why would it not be a valid comparison?

  15. Which part of lockdown do you intend to break then and why is it safe for you to do that.

    Me, personally.

    All of it.

    Taking the otherwise immortal old people who live in care homes, heart attack victims, stroke victims, those hit by a bus, etc: or whatever unfortunate demise they might have succumbed too, the population in the South Beds / Herts area, is approximately 328,000 people, 521 have apparently caught the Chinese virus, 2 ‘suspected’ deaths from Covid-19.

    Am I personally concerned?

    Not in the slightest.

    Stop being scared of your own shadow.

  16. Which part of lockdown do you intend to break then and why is it safe for you to do that.

    I will meet family members indoors for 20 minutes and maintain two metres distance. The WHO recommentation is actually one metre. I was infected in late March and recovered at home in about ten days.

  17. Peter,

    “why would it not be a valid comparison?”

    They are at a different stage of the epidemic and the demographics are different, to name two obvious things. Also over the last week or so they have the most per capita deaths in the world.

    Also it is far from obvious that the UK now opening pubs and restaurants would somehow immediately lead to less deaths, which is what your argument would suggest. What would the mechanism for that be? It’s bonkers.

  18. Harri,

    “521 have apparently caught the Chinese virus, 2 ‘suspected’ deaths from Covid-19.”

    Those figures under a lockdown which has kept the infection rate low.

    Like arguing you intend to jump without a parachute as there have been relatively few deaths from skydiving.

    Well, enjoy your infection and let’s hope you don’t kill anyone else.

  19. Well, enjoy your infection and let’s hope you don’t kill anyone else.

    Like I said.

    Stop for the love of all things holy.

    You are currently scared of your own shadow.

    If a Frank ODwyer is the new normal, I think catching the Chinese virus is a perfectly viable option.

  20. Frank.

    Unless I get hit by a bus, or unfortunately succumb to a demise of any other medical emergency.

    I can assure you, I will still be replying to your ‘scared of your own shadow’ posts come next year, and the year after that.

    You have been well and truly had, you have swallowed the whole shebang, hook, line and sinker.

    Get over it.

  21. Like arguing you intend to jump without a parachute as there have been relatively few deaths from skydiving.

    Ffs!

    Sighing, doesn’t even come close?

    But, but, but, how do our governments ‘get away with it all’ I hear some wail.

    Because of the Franks of this world…that’s why.

  22. Harri,

    “ Unless I get hit by a bus, or unfortunately succumb to a demise of any other medical emergency”

    Or the “bioweapon” you were scaring boring us about a couple months ago?

  23. I’m increasingly convinced that distancing and washing hands played the greater part in the effectiveness of the measures and that many people were needlessly locked down.

    I’m not being wise after the event. Everyone was flying blind to an extent. Wuhanites were welded into homes. Lombardia was supposed to be quarantined, the infection spilled into the rest of Italy, Professor Ferguson overdosed on the Sunny Delight and suddenly everyone was locking down against a new virus.

    It’s pretty clear now that schools and much of the economy can get going again with sensible behavior.

  24. Frank.

    That’s the thing about learning as one goes along.

    It takes a man to admit it, not someone who is so scared witless, they are frightened of their own shadow.

    If you can’t think of yourself, then at least try and think of the children, it’s your children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren who will have to live with you’re absolute gullibility, and child like naivety.

    Enjoy your vaccine and medical certificate chip.

    It’s coming, and no doubt you will be at the front screaming, me, me please…

    😏

    No offence Frank, but at your age, you should know better, and be far, far wiser my friend.

  25. A column in the (Tory) Spectator has called for Cummings to be sacked:

    “It doesn’t even matter if what he did was appropriate or sensible or a reasonable means by which an awkward or complicated situation might best be managed. All that could be true and it wouldn’t change a thing. Perception is sometimes more important and here the perception is that there is one set of rules for government insiders and another, quite different, set of rules for everyone else. That is not just the perception, either, for it appears to be the reality too and will remain so, and be understood as such, for as long as Dominic Cummings remains in post. You may sympathise with his predicament – an unwell wife, a small child – all you like and it doesn’t change a thing.

    Cabinet ministers, mysteriously, are setting fire to their own credibility and authority in defending Cummings. There are millions of people across the country who have made considerable sacrifices, borne significant hardship, during this lockdown. They have done so for the greater good, recognising that they must do their little bit as part of a much greater endeavour. Weddings have been postponed; funerals have been left unattended; families have been separated. Little of this experience has been easy and much of it has been hard…”

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-dominic-cummings-must-go

  26. Peter –

    It’s by Alex Massie. In equating isolation to protect your child with a wedding he outdoes himself.

  27. Pete,

    “I’m increasingly convinced that distancing and washing hands played the greater part in the effectiveness of the measures and that many people were needlessly locked down.”

    There seems to be growing evidence that a lockdown one week earlier would have cut the deaths to a quarter. So it seems very likely that no lockdown at all would have been a disaster. And that’s without factoring in the likelihood that the ICUs might have been overwhelmed.

    And that still seems to hold despite the fact that many people voluntarily isolated ahead of lockdown in any case, just as in Sweden, most people stayed home anyway despite the lack of a formal requirement. (There’s a similar thing going on now, in reverse – lots of people in the UK have exited the lockdown early and mobility data shows that many never really went along with it despite supporting it in polls). In other words what the rules were and what actually happened are two different things, in both UK and Sweden.

    And of course many of those UK deaths may simply have been rescheduled rather than avoided. It’s far too early to say. The one thing that i think is clear is that the whole point of a lockdown is to exit it, with a plan to keep the virus suppressed, or at least buy time to get more information and/or a treatment. Otherwise, why bother, as it clearly can’t continue forever.

  28. Pete Moore has decided to defend blatant hypocrisy and double standards because Dominic Cummings is a Tory government supporting Brexit enabler. Nothing to do with the validity of the argument at hand. There is a perfectly valid defence of Cummings behaviour itself but not the blatant lie that it was within the rules. It wasn’t. What do you think would happen to Mr and Mrs Joe Public if they drove 300 miles to the North of England and when stopped by the police explained:

    ” Yes guv, we both have symptoms of COVID 19 and have been isolating at our home in London but have decided for convenience to travel up here to another property with our suspected infection as its more convenient to be near the family”

    ” OH that’s OK sir/madam, carry on ,you drive safely now” would NOT be the response.

  29. Frank –

    I saw the claim that a lockdown one week earlier would have saved many lives. That’s possibly true but it seems too model-reliant. Someone, I think at Oxford, surname starts which an H, claims that the peak of the infection happened before the lockdown started.

    But many lives, scores of thousands of lives across the West, would have been saved if hospitals hadn’t discharged patients into care homes. I know why the beds were cleared, but some were already known to be infected and therefore another way simply had to be found.

    I don’t know why anti-lockdown people point to Sweden. It did enact some measures and its numbers are quite high however they are calculated.

    Instead they should take their lessons from Taiwan – 440 cases, 7 deaths, no lockdown, the economy remained open, super-aggressive measures in other ways. Taiwan’s approach was completely different philosophically; precision bombing compared to the carpet bombing of a lockdown. It’s intrusive in some ways but the paradox is it allows life to carry on pretty much as normal.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/19/liberal-dutch-taiwan-coronavirus-covid-19-netherlands

  30. Colm –

    Pete Moore has decided to defend blatant hypocrisy and double standards because Dominic Cummings is a Tory government supporting Brexit enabler.

    I also defended Stephen Kinnock, who fought tooth and nail to keep us in the EU.

    Explain that one Sherlock.

  31. I agree with the Taiwan comparison. The trouble is we simply didn’t have the infrastructure capacity le alone the govt. willingness to impose such a comprehensive fierce suppression of any spread of the virus as Taiwain and some other countries succesfully implemented. Its the same reason now why the govt. is implementing the 14 day quarantine demand on all travellers into the UK – something they wont actually be able or willing to enforce but it looks good. Far more effective would be a comprehensive testing regime on all incomers on arrival but that would take effort and large scale detail to roll out which the govt. just doesnt have the ability or will to effect.

  32. Pete

    As I have explained before its not your defence of the behaviour that is wrong . I know you oppose many of the govt measures and think everyone regardless of their political affiliations shouldn’t be bound by them, but Cummings isn’t just an individual , he’s part of the machine that promoted and dictated these lockdown rules. If you said “Yes he’s a hypocrite but I support his choice in this matter” that would be fine, but the claim he hasn’t even broken the rules is utter nonsense and all the govt ministers and yes even Dr Harries who you quoted earlier are just circling the political wagons and you appear to be joining them.

  33. Far more effective would be a comprehensive testing regime on all incomers on arrival but that would take effort and large scale detail to roll out which the govt. just doesnt have the ability or will to effect.

    Yes, I agree with that point … yet we shut down the entire economy and provokef a 300-year depression instead.

    In the end it will be seen as less of a faff to close the airports to infected countries and actually enact testing, tracking and tracing.

  34. Can this be the same Leftwaffa that was apparrently utterly confused by Boris’ lockdown instructions that are now claiming to be completely knowledgeable on every small nuance of the rules,? To me that’s proof right there this confected outrage is simply anti Brexit lets attack Boris by proxy. My suggestion is never, never give the baying mob an inch. No resignation No surrender. Damn their eyes and full speed ahead with Brexit.

  35. Here comes ATWs faithful government poodle.. 🙂

  36. Boris is giving his press conference now in which he is blatantly lying about Dominic Cummings behaviour being within the rules. He is completely trashing the validity and respect the public have held towards these restrictions. Its a shameless insult to the whole country.

  37. Boris is giving his press conference now in which he is blatantly lying about Dominic Cummings behaviour being within the rules. He is completely trashing the validity and respect the public have held towards these restrictions. Its a shameless insult to the whole country.

    Oh dear, how sad, never mind..

    It looks like the BBC and the left have lost again.

    Maybe, just maybe, Dominic Cummings, just like Professor Neil Ferguson, knew full well, it was all total unmitigated bollocks to start with.

  38. If the BBC and the left have lost , does that mean the Tory,Boris and Brexit supporting people like your self have won by Cummings staying in office and him and the PM treating you all as idiotic mugs ?

  39. Colm.

    +++ stop press +++

    I support Brexit..fully.

    I support the Tories now?

    I support Boris Johnson?

    Are you for real? I hold all of them in utter and total contempt.

    Colm.

    I am Boris supporting..am I ?

    Prove it?

    Colm, you really are a loon at times.

    Stop, while you are still behind mate. Again, stop trying to be all clever and stuff, it’s not in your character, it simply doesn’t suit you.

    No offence Colm. You are a decent enough bloke, you just seriously lack all your marbles.

    😉

  40. Colm, on May 24th, 2020 at 6:07 PM Said:
    If the BBC and the left have lost ,

    They have…again, and again, and again.

    It’s all so terribly, terribly…sad.

    Not really, it’s actually comedy gold, it’s fun.

    😀

  41. Colm.

    As a peace offering, I know just how you find it seriously difficult to actually post anything, on any topic, without mentioning the name “Harri”. My sincere thanks for your continued adulation, but no thanks, wank over something else.

    Go back to staring at your wallpaper.

    It makes more sense.

    😉

  42. I am aware that I always have to be careful with Harri. It doesn’t take much for his head to explode. A delicate creature that should be handled with care. I will try and remember that in future!

  43. Colm.

    Then try harder.

    Because, so far, you are making a pretty piss poor job of it to be totally honest mate.

  44. Oh, and Colm.

    No ones “head is exploding “

    You sound like a poor relation of Kurt.

    I thought you were better than that?

    My bad.

    .

  45. Colm.

    Have you not at the very least got a balcony you can at least try and chill out on?

  46. Harri

    Being chilled is a state of mind. It doesn’t need a balcony, Garden or Conservatory. I am as chilled as a cucumber snuggling up to a snowball floating on an iceberg drifting across the Artic circle 🙂

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