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By Patrick Van Roy On May 28th, 2020

a question from Paul

 

The spider turned him round about, and went into his den. 

For well he knew the silly fly would soon come back again. 

So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly.
And set his table ready, to dine upon the fly

 

A bit of curiosity,  ATW has often been described as a virtual barroom which has a nucleus of regular punter commentators as well as (I’m told) a large majority of silent readers who seldom if ever comment. 

I first walked through its doors around 2004 if I remember correctly. The first memory I have of stumbling across ATW is researching for my LLM, coming across ATW by accident and being struck by the absolute vitriol of Andrew McCann’s writings on Irish Republicans. I was hooked immediately. 

I believe that Pat is the oldest punter here? What’s your story? What brought you here and why do you keep coming back?

191 Responses to “ATW”

  1. Thanks as always Pat.

  2. anytime

  3. I came here with my wife right after 9/11.

    It’s been a wonderful community of very varied views. We have had our ups and downs, fights and love fests.

    I come here each day to discus the days issues with people I primarily disagree with. I wouldn’t trade it for the world.

  4. How did you find it? Accident?

    I remember Monica commenting. The site is poorer for her silence.

  5. I think I am also one of the oldest ones here. I believe I joined at or near the start of ATW. I was brought here via the Slugger O Toole website which Andrew used to comment on . I sparred with him on that site and then one day he mentioned he was leaving Slugger and joining a new and as he put it “less Republican infested website” , which was ATW and I went across to continue debating with him… it was so long ago I can’t actually remember which year.

  6. I’ve been here for some time.

    I stumbled onto the old United Irelander, Balrog and Joblog sites, and heard of reference to this site, and that was that.

  7. Balrog….

    Chris was an asset here.

  8. Chris was good, spoke here, and on his own blog a lot.

    He was going to start a second religion oriented blog as well, and then disappeared to do career and other things.

    I think that he appeared here once ever so briefly a while back

    Hope all is well

  9. I miss Chris

  10. I got here from the Irish Eagle site (now defunct). I enjoyed what was then a rather robust give and take on NI issues but those comprising the unionists side have pretty much faded away (I found their contributions often making me reconsider my positions or at least aceepr many of theirs as something I could respectfully disagree with). Since then the comic slaying of various right wing positions has been a constant source of amusement.

  11. I’d also point out all these years along that allowing me to post things even though I most often post things contrary to his worldview is to David’s credit.

  12. People will find this hard to credit, but I usually come here to stay sane – Anything to escape the tedium of my work sometimes.

    I can’t remember when I came first, but I think it was around the time Bush2 started his second term. I was googling something about NI and came upon this site by accident. It was at that time very NI-centred, very Unionist, which is why I stayed. I used my mother’s maiden name Cunningham at first, as there were some right bigots here who’d immediately pigeonhole your opinions if they identified you as a Teague, which my real surname would have revealed.

    It’s another tribute to the success of the GFA – one, alas, unrecorded by historians – that Northern topics gradually ceased to excite such interest on ATW, before practically disappearing altogether.

    There were some good conservatives here at that time. Ross was one. Henry (+ some epithet) was an interesting one, being a NI Nationalist and otherwise conservative. There was also this raving English right-winger (a normal name, like Stephen, but not Stephen) who used to get into sadistic fury about some minor issues of the day, and a few real toughies like DSD. I enjoyed Andrew. He wrote well and was generally civil.
    There also seemed to be far more women around then: Monica, Patty, Alison, Aileen, Daphne and others.

    I’ve often considered dropping out. The site became far too dominated by American politics, including the most banal trivia thereof, and American politics in turn became far too brainless. The site’s now just another front in that silly “culture war”.

  13. Irish Eagle is AFAIK still active!

    But he posts very infrequently.

    http://irisheagle.blogspot.com/

  14. Oh I am wrong

    Irish Eagle’s last post was March 2019 so it looks pretty defunct.

  15. ’ve often considered dropping out. The site became far too dominated by American politics, including the most banal trivia thereof, and American politics in turn became far too brainless. The site’s now just another front in that silly “culture war”.

    I understand.

    And the endless Flynn nonsense is particularly uninteresting, especially to the foreigners, so maybe that can be placed on Conservative Tree Frog or wherever else it attract interest.

    I hope to post something before long

  16. Yes, it was quite Irishcentric which was what got me hooked to it but there was a fair smattering of quite a few other topics too. I enjoyed unionists like Madrin Ruad who was affable but found AMC’s venom completely over the top. I remember in one of our exchanges he mocked my brother’s suicide which no one had ever done before or since. All credit to David when I complained AFAIK he was spoken to and a stern post appeared condemning it.

    I also agree that ATW’s quality has been seriously depleted and that much of the stuff is trivial or parochial. ATW’s glory days have unfortunately passed and I think I come here now more out of habit than expectation.

  17. Chris Gaskin is good people. I love this story which he features in:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/2888635.stm

    I remember United Irelander. That guy guarded his anonymity carefully, and then promptly vanished. He mentioned an illness. I hope he is doing well for himself. He got a bit of media attention back in the day but I think was too shy or guarded to capitalise on it.

  18. There is too much cut and paste from the noise machine.

    Better an original bit of writing every month than a torrent of reprints.

    Daphne’s departure as a lead writer didn’t help anything. She writes good.

  19. The content of the site is up to us.

    Pete handles that side of the Pond.

    I have stated on numerous occasions that I will post pieces by any of you about almost anything.

    Very few of you take advantage of that.

    The Unionists were driven from the site by the people that comment here. There are voices on both sides of the NI issues that I miss, both Chris and Andrew.

    When you are casting stones at the writers it takes a lot of hubris to bitch when they are cast back at you.

  20. The Unionists were not driven out by anyone.

    That’s complete bullshit, pot-stirring in itself.

  21. The characters from the past are too numerous to mention, Henry94 I think you were referring to Noel, there was Ernest, Tom Tyler, Madradin Ruad, Mairin to name just some… and who could forget the magnificent Felix Quigley.

    I think we have to respect Patrick’s passion is the minutae of American politics and he swims in the whole stuff about collusion, investigations, the supposed misdeeds of the Obama admnistration etc. and although many of us myself included , yawn when he posts another post on those topics, they do generate lively threads so there is some interest there. Yes there is a lot of unserious ‘wind up’ posts too now which seems to be all that Pete Moore is interested in posting much of the time but overall I think we have enough to keep this a lively and worthwhile site to be part of. But to thos of you who do have posting rights – please do throw in a few more oddball topics and not your usual hobby horses – Cheers , Colm

  22. I forgot about Ernest. He once accused me of deliberately trying to wreck David’s site! I remember he was a nice man, but not detail orientated when it came to the 6-Day War! 😆

  23. Have to totally agree with Phantom though on Patrick’s nonsense about Unionists being driven from the site. NOBODY is driven from this site. The only way that happens is if they are banned. Anyone else chooses to leave. It happens

  24. and when was the Last time you wrote anything Phantom?

    We get the occasional travel or curiosity piece from you, but what maybe one every 3 months or so…. and never about anything of substance.

    You’re train, travel and bike pieces are nice, but I don’t recall more than one or two political pieces in your entire 20yrs here.

    Noel I have personally extended invitations to you to write on the perspective of things in Germany…. not one piece…..

    Mahons has at least started to put his opinions in posts and generate good conversations.

    Pete and I provide the bulk of the content. You’ve all driven everyone else like Mike and Andrew away. Mike has wandered back which I have enjoyed. I have tried several times to get Andrew to come back, but the bottom line is the two primary creators of content are constantly under attack, both of us enjoy it….. but for the most part the quality of the discussions are controlled by you the small handful on commentators. If you are unhappy about the tone of the site at times….. look in the mirror.

  25. For me it was via one of DV’s other websites. I like the place and its eclectic community.

  26. The Unionists were driven from the site by the people that comment here

    Not only do I absolutely disagree with that I think it’s totally untrue.

    IIRC the arch unionists here where AMcC and David, neither of whom were driven from this site. Incidentally, if you are to be ‘driven from a site’ perhaps it’s your own arguments you should be looking at.

    Petr, how did you get to be here?

  27. Madradin Ruad, Felix Quigley….. both are missed by me greatly

  28. Putting up videos and tweets by others without more is hardly producing content. If someone wants to see what Tucker Carlson said they could go to the Fox website.
    No one has been driven off the site with the exception of a few banned psychotics. Anyone else who left has left of their own free will.

  29. as for banning I think there has been an entirety of 4 in 20yrs, and one of the 4 is on here still everyday.

    Andrew was driven from here, and David for the most part has abandoned us for other things while still paying for us to continue.

  30. Mahons if you don’t like my content don’t read it or watch it.

    I put up things that are relevant that provide an alternative narrative that our Euro Audience does not get to see.

  31. Andrew was not remotely driven from here, unless you take the view that Andrew’s very polemic pro-unionist sentiments should have had special protection and shouldn’t have been criticized.

  32. The only three people that I can remember leaving the site by their own accord were Agit8ed, Eileen Quinliven and Seimi, (the latter thankfully seems to be lately be visiting more frequently).

    While Pete Moore’s absolute shamelessness on consistency and impish sense of humour make me smile the only thing from Pete that really gets me engaged is his Friday Night Juke Box.

    I like reading Frank O’Dwyer and love his contrariness. I wish Frank would consider contributing blogs.

  33. I encountered David Vance on Slugger O’Toole, he used to comment there before taking off in a huff because people would disagree with him.

    I have commented at this site and at https://atangledweb.typepad.com when he used it. I think there was a version before that but I am not sure if it still exists.

  34. Ultimately the site has always focused on British, Northern Ireland, and American politics. However the manner that it has done so has changed. Pretty much every day there was a discussion on economics, or the economy in general. Should we be doing this economically, or that economically. Foreign policy was discussed regularly. Culture, rights, the judicial system, prisons, crime, etc… all political issues were discussed. Most issues were discussed on a regular basis, either through the prism of British events, American events or events in Northern Ireland.

    Now however the issues tend to be more narrow. I don’t necessarily think it is anyone’s fault. The politics of those places have become a lot more narrow. British politics has become about Brexit. And everything was discussed through the prism of Brexit. Every post was a Brexit post. American politics have become dominated by the culture war, and Trump in particular. Every post has become a Trump post (how good Trump is, how shit Trump is, how much the people who don’t like Trump are framing him, how much the people who are investigating Trump are doing a good job etc…). And the Northern Ireland politics has largely slipped off the agenda (or only being mentioned due to Brexit) largely due to the ongoing absence of David who primarily provided that content.

    It might be good to get back to some of that broader debate – about the economy, healthcare, prisons, foreign policy etc… that aren’t simply rehashes of every other conversation that has taken place here over the last 3 or 4 years.

  35. Andrew was driven from here

    IIRC didn’t AMcC stop contributing / commenting here as the result of a new job?

    Who drove him away and how did they do it Pat?

  36. Before that he was at http://atangledweb.blogspot.com though the comments seem to have disappeared

  37. No one was driven away. Not one person. Not any time.

    People went back at Andrew, and rightly so, and he gave as good as he got. He didn’t complain about any persecution here AFAIK.

    Fair criticism and argument is not persecution. This includes going back at Patty for her stories that proved to be 100% untrue.

  38. Andrew was a thin skinned baby who continuously treathed to ban or turn off comments that went against his obnoxious worldview.

  39. Andrew could dish it, boy could he dish it. He didn’t mince his words and his skills as a polemicist were brilliant. His weakness is that he had a low tolerance threshold for criticism and specifically didn’t tolerate robust responses from Irish Nationalists. Some regulars might remember when he imposed a list of ‘banned’ terms and would remove them from peoples comments on his threads -‘six counties’ being one of them. It became a game – who could slip in an ‘illegal’ word or phrase into a comment without Andrew noticing. Eventually he just stopped any comments being allowed on his posts at all and then he left. He loved turning the gas up in the kitchen but left because he couldn’t stand the subsequent heat – he wasn’t pushed out at all.

  40. FO

    all those posts used to be in the archives here after the platform transition comments and all.

    I haven’t checked in awhile, but they should all be there.

  41. David’s comments from 2004 are quite amusing

    http://atangledweb.blogspot.com/2004/01/

    2004 Hopes My political hopes for 2004 are as follows:-


    Ian Paisley to enjoy good health and to stand by espoused principles. With anti-Agreement Unionism now dominant, Paisleys unique skills are more needed than ever.

    and also


    Here’s a great story. Vichy Unionist Leader and undisputed master of the U-Turn David Trimble has announced that he believes that the DUP are doing a u-turn by participating in the opening series of meetings of the GFA review.

    Watching the appeasing wing of Unionism twist in the breeze is one of the great pleaures in local political life. Imagine anybody taking these Cunningham House press releases seriously!!

    This of course was back when David was a DUP fan, a while after this Paisley signed up for the St. Andrews agreement, David left the Free Presbyterian Church in a huff and and the Good Friday agreement lives on to the great benefit of Northern Ireland.

  42. Andrew said a lot of things that I was not OK with, but he was the first Unionist here that I heard say that the Widgery Commission was a whitewash. For some reason, I remember that.

    So, what ever really happened to ” Jo ” and ” Joblog “?

    Sites don’t normally just disappear overnight like that. What’s the deal

  43. Phantom people have been driven from here, you and mahones drove patty away, I’ve driven one or two away, monica was driven away by general disgust, Felix was driven away, and so was Mike.

    Constant attacks especially a concerted effort like you and mahons did with patty have driven people away.

    They leave of their own accord because very few people can stand in the fire everyday.

  44. I remember AMcC closing threads to comments, wiping threads completely and on one occasion outrageously editing the comments on a thread that someone else had made. He loved to give it out but didn’t like it when he got it back with the same level of venom. But, something in the mists of time is telling me he stopped contributing/commenting because of a new post he took up, (as a health care worker?)

    Agit8ed left the site because he couldn’t rebut the comments about Israeli heavy-handed bloodlust in Gaza in 2014 which for some reason he seemed to take personally.

  45. Not buyin’ it.

    Patty was not treated unfairly.

    She said a few very untrue things, not intentionally but she did say them, and then she could never back it up when challenged.

    If anyone can’t take being challenged on matters of fact, let them say so.

  46. Jo was insane.

    JoBlog I never visited ask Kurt if he’s in touch with her ever and what happened to her site. As for here she is one of the 4 that I know of being banned and it went a lot further than just this site.

  47. They leave of their own accord

    That is the only accurate part of your last comment Patrick.

  48. My god I forgot about Jo. She was utterly loopy. Used to send me e mails and wanted me to join her in bringing David down. I was uncomfortable just being in personal e mail contact with her.

  49. No in my “opinion” the two of you were abusive towards her.

    She had a lot going on in her life and really didn’t need the abuse. Now that is my “Opinion” not hers or anyone else.

  50. Monica was driven away by general disgust, Felix was driven away, and so was Mike

    Can you put some meat on the bones here Pat? I’m genuinely unaware of this.

  51. I don’t think that Patty was treated unfairly. I think that she made a few dodgy posts and when questioned on them her stock response seemed to be

    It’s the Russians! My hair’s on fire! MAGA!

    If that’s how you’re going to interact with people you’re not going to be taken seriously.

  52. Jo had a snappy little blog for a time.

  53. Patty wrote some things that were completely fake.

    The Puerto Rico truckers strike as reported by the dramatic policewoman’s call to an unidentified NYC radio station belongs in a Museum of Fake News.

  54. right next to everything printed in the NYTs for the past 12yrs

  55. no Paul I can’t.

    I will not discuss the details of some events. sorry

  56. Felix has been gone for a really long time

    It’s not a tragedy when people leave. Many times, is because they got bored with it, because they wish to do something else.

    This website has lasted far longer than most do. So somebody is doing something right

  57. If Patty went away it was because of shame at being fact checked and found to have put up false things. Others continue to do so but lack her apparent capacity for shame. Frankly if people take blog posts so seriously that they claim to have been driven away they need a firmer grasp on reality.

  58. I can understand how you’d know about Monica’s reasons for leaving this site but Mike C’s and Felix Q? I don’t see how you can be privy to whatever resons they had for their departure.

    I personally had wondered if Mike C had passed away.

    As I said, I can only remember the four people I mention above leaving this site and I don’t believe any of them were driven away.

  59. I am going to guess why some people left.

    Monica got bored with the ‘macho banter’ here.

    Felix just got frustrated that he couldn’t persuade people to be as fanatically Pro-Israel as he would like – heck he even accused David of being an anti-Semite !

    Mike left becausue of, if I recall a thread discussion where his wife was mentioned to which he strongly objected .

    Andrew – I have explained above

    Patty – couldn’t tolerate dissenting responses to her Trump cheerleader act.

    Some because life changed and this no longer interested them and and sadly others may actually have just become unwell or shuffled off this mortal coil..

  60. If I recall Ernest was in his 80s. There was also the unique Adrian an Indian seminarian. Ross was a very smart guy, funny when posting.

  61. I personally had wondered if Mike C had passed away

    Sorry. That was meant to refer to Ernest.

  62. And does anyone remember a commenter with the name Utilitarian something – I think he was American of Scottish descent. A bit similar to Ernest in characcter ?

    I remember Adrian – I liked him. A bit too sensitive sometimes for our robust discussions.

  63. When I took the family to California we briefly met Patty and her husband in LA. She’s probably different to the way most people imagine her. She lives in a fine part of a fine city and leads a gentle and relaxed life. She paints well, but politics really isn’t her forte. I don’t think she had any particular issues in her life, Patrick, and I’m quite sure that she wasn’t driven away by Mahons or Phantom. This kind of political debate just isn’t her thing, and I suppose she found other occupations when the number of commenters on this site swamped the number of conservatives.

    I used to love Andrew’s reports of his shenanigans around England, and Belgium!, with a friend. There was also an absolute riot of racism when he dreamed of some high stage or platform or something with all these blacks up on it, and then something came and dashed them one by one down to the ground.

    I like that kind of thing. Anti-Semitism is ugly because it’s so dated and jaded and because of the absolute horror of the past, but I otherwise I like to hear people airing their pet hates. A bit of honest anti-Irishism is fine by me. I often think I prefer it to the maudlin sentimental pro-Irish Brit who’s constantly apologising for Cromwell, etc. I like a good fight, but only with someone who’s intelligent enough to suffer the blows you give him.

    Thanks for the offer, Patrick. I’ll see what I can do, although I find German politics terribly boring and honestly couldn’t name more than three members of the government.

  64. //I don’t think she had any particular issues in her life, Patrick,….//

    apart from our impending visit, maybe.

  65. *damn*

    = when the number of “liberal” commenters on this site began to swamp the number of conservatives.

  66. I found ATW through Slugger O’Toole. Some of my family are from NI and I visit fairly often. I still read Slugger and ATW for a variety of opinions on Ireland and the UK. It is also the only site I follow where right-wing Trump supporters post and as a New Yorker they are a strange breed to me. It sounds odd that I find out what nutty right-wing Americans think by reading a NI blog, but it is so. And, the right-wing Trump supporters who post on ATW are good salt of the earth types but politically mistaken.

  67. Can’t remember, like Colm, far too long ago.

    Four people banned in 20 years?

    I know one who has been banned three times.

  68. Noel yes poetry and painting are more Patty’s forte. Her personal issue is not for me to share.

    And Phantom and Mahons were extremely abuseful to her and not just about the trucker story. If unlike Mahons claims that I didn’t follow the rules that were placed specifically on me and a personal request by her there would have been multiple times I would have pulled their eyes out and played marbles with them…. (figuratively of course)

    Noel a piece or two by you would be welcome the invitation stands. Don’t feel limited to just German politics. You’re a family man of Irish decent living in another country how things are viewed by you from that perspective alone on any topic would be a good read.

  69. well said NYr

  70. Colm…. good analysis

  71. And Phantom and Mahons were extremely abuseful to her and not just about the trucker story.

    I’d say that that’s a lie, but I don’t want to prompt a weepy meltdown.

    I don’t think that mahons abused her, and I know that I didn’t. She served up Fake News ( which you believed, sweetpea ) and didn’t care to be called on it. You called fact-checking ” abuse ” .

    I’d ask you to give an example, but you won’t because you can’t, any more than you can back up any of the other made up nonsense.

    Cheers.

  72. This website has lasted far longer than most do. So somebody is doing something right

    We can do better.

  73. Patrick

    I know you have a gentlemanly desire to protect Patty, but it’s ridiculous (and sexist) to claim she was bullied by Phantom and Mahons. She was an unapologetic Republican Trump supporter and happily threw punches at their supposed ‘liberal Democrat anti-Trump elitism’ and they gave as good back. Please stop this nonsense about people being bullied off this site. Everyone is hear to air their views and yes to tear into opinions they oppose. We are all in the same boat here thrashing around rollin back and forth with the waves. There are no victims on ATW .

  74. Abusers never believe they are Phantom……

  75. You know you guys forget, Patty and I didn’t agree on very much.

    And I’m sure my speaking up for her now would offend her. We didn’t reach a civil medium until after she left. I speak about it now because your behavior crossed the line.

    In my opinion.

  76. Bite me.

  77. I don’t think that mahons abused her, and I know that I didn’t. She served up Fake News ( which you believed, sweetpea ) and didn’t care to be called on it. You called fact-checking ” abuse ”

    Mahons AFAIK has never abused anyone on ATW.

    He just comes out with crap what he believes to be witty retorts, and no evidence whatsoever to back up any of his counter arguments, or what amount to nothing more than opinions.

    Wait for it…

    Crap witty retort in..five, four, three, two….

    Mahons does have a unique excuse though..he is the only lawyer on ATW AFAIK?

    Lawyers are only an inch away from politicians being the most untrustworthy people on planet earth.

    A shyster in fact, as Patrick so eloquently puts it.

  78. it just didn’t sit right with me Colm

  79. Patrick has no gentlemanly desire to protect her, it is merely cause she was on his side politically. We’ve seen his gentlemanly side when a woman disagrees with him politically. She was called out on her bs by me and others, an equal opportunity moment.

  80. This website has lasted far longer than most do. So somebody is doing something right

    The entertainment value is comedy gold.

    And the left will not stop supplying that.

    😉

  81. Patty was for Palin, Trump and every Republican talking point ever uttered. Except for that you were world’s apart…..

  82. an equal opportunity moment.

    abuse in the name of equality….. lol that’s good Mahons

  83. She could be nice, but she didn’t know a great deal.

    Like Patrick and Allan, she was naive in believing propaganda that lined up with preexisting prejudices. Like them, she never questioned anything at all. They were a Holy Trinity of Fake News.

  84. I don’t think that anyone has been bullied or driven off this site. I think some people made a decision to leave for a variety of different reasons, IMO the most common one being the didn’t like what was being said about a particular subject and couldn’t refute it.

    As I said, if you think you’ve been driven off this site perhaps it’s your own points you should be examining rather than others.

  85. People (a couple on this thread) take blogging way too seriously.

  86. Like Patrick and Allan, she was naive in believing propaganda that lined up with preexisting prejudices. Like them, she never questioned anything at all. They were a Holy Trinity of Fake News.

    lmao…..

  87. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:05 PM Said: Edit Comment
    People (a couple on this thread) take blogging way too seriously.

    When normal people engage in political debate once they’ve decided to engage in it in depth as we try to do here they do take it seriously.

    YOU Mahons are the only one who considers this site a joke to just throw out talking points with no debate or discussion to back them up.

    Everyone except you no matter their views defends them as well as express them.

    You are the only key player that doesn’t.

  88. Allan the father, Patrick the son, Patty the holy spirit.

  89. Patrick – you are mistaken. I don’t consider the site a joke. I consider you a joke.

  90. YOU Mahons are the only one who considers this site a joke to just throw out talking points with no debate or discussion to back them up.

    Or evidence?

    Which seems pretty ironic from a lawyer.

  91. Pick a subject Mahons…… lets debate.

    I never considered you a joke, I consider you to be a very smart, well trained man in a field that requires Logic and analysis.

    What you have shown over the years is anything but Logic and analysis.

    You pick the subject.

  92. Have an example Harri?

  93. Patrick – I debate subjects here all the time. I don’t consider you an honest debater. I doubt many do here. They’ve told you so. I don’t think you honestly understand the meaning of debate.

  94. How about 99% of your “unfunny witty retort posts Mahons”

    Why don’t you post some of you’re evidence based posts as evidence?

    Precisely.

    Lawyers huh!

    Why they are only an inch away from politician’s when it comes to being untruthful and untrustworthy is a mystery.

    They even struggle to be witty.

    😏

  95. So no examples. But at least you can find an emogii.

  96. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:26 PM Said:
    Patrick – I debate subjects here all the time.

    Rubbish.

    You have your personal opinion, without any shred of evidence.

    Even Allan@ supplies his evidence for debate and arguments..you Mahons supply…bugger all. Just unfunny, sometimes slightly witty, patronising retorts.

    I rest my case your honour.

  97. Mahons , on May 28th, 2020 at 8:31 PM Said:
    So no examples. But at least you can find an emogii.

    Example # 1000

  98. Allan supplies evidence? Hysterical. Crackpot conspiracy videos and psychotic websites in support of his deranged worldview is not evidence.

  99. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:26 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick – I debate subjects here all the time. I don’t consider you an honest debater. I doubt many do here. They’ve told you so. I don’t think you honestly understand the meaning of debate.

    Mahons please point to one post any post where you have ever debated your position.

    Funny I can’t find a single one.

    What I can find is debates where I have admitted being proven wrong. Please pointo just one post where you have taken a position and defended it.

  100. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:35 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Allan supplies evidence? Hysterical. Crackpot conspiracy videos and psychotic websites in support of his deranged worldview is not evidence.

    It may be crazy, but he puts up his reasons for what he believes….. you don’t.

  101. Mahons , on May 28th, 2020 at 8:35 PM Said:
    Allan supplies evidence? Hysterical. Crackpot conspiracy videos and psychotic websites in support of his deranged worldview is not evidence.

    You want hysterical?

    Okay, point to one post, where you personally have provided evidence that has proven Allan@ wrong?

    Precisely.

    And no, unfunny, witless off the cuff retorts don’t count.

  102. Patrick – see, you are dishonest. I’ve debated with you on hundreds of posts. Just yesterday I noted you put up a doctored Biden video.

  103. Mahons.

    I’m trying to not get too personal here.

    But I will assume from past posts you are a religious person, a man of God and church maybe? Maybe, even a “fear of God”?

    Do you realise just how ridiculous your blind ultimate conspiracy theory of an invisible man that lives in the sky sounds?

    And you think Allan@ is insane.

  104. You mean we’re I have pointed out that people at Sandy Hook weren’t actors? That a Washington Pizza Restaurant owner wasn’t involved in a pedophile operation? Where the 9/11 attacks were not a controlled demolition or that Israel didn’t have prior notice?

  105. so your citing a thread that I didn’t even bother to participate in…. lol. ph Ok let me go see what position you took and who you debated it with…. lol

  106. Mahons , on May 28th, 2020 at 8:43 PM Said:
    Patrick – see, you are dishonest. I’ve debated with you on hundreds of posts. Just yesterday I noted you put up a doctored Biden video.

    Exhibit 1 your honour.

    Mahons, you have just made a claim that the video of Biden was doctored?

    If you are correct, then fair play, you are correct, exhibit A fully accepted.

    Where is your evidence?

    You might have possibly already posted you’re evidence and I have simply missed it.

    In that case, my apologies.

  107. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:46 PM Said: Edit Comment
    You mean we’re I have pointed out that people at Sandy Hook weren’t actors? That a Washington Pizza Restaurant owner wasn’t involved in a pedophile operation? Where the 9/11 attacks were not a controlled demolition or that Israel didn’t have prior notice?

    and who did you debate these points with?

    Other than laughing at Allan that’s all you can find…. ?

  108. Harri – I’m not aware of any credible psychiatric study that suggests people with religious beliefs suffer from any mental illness. You are free in your unhappy life to believe or not believe in religion. It makes no difference to me.

  109. Mahons , on May 28th, 2020 at 8:46 PM Said:
    You mean we’re I have pointed out that people at Sandy Hook weren’t actors? That a Washington Pizza Restaurant owner wasn’t involved in a pedophile operation? Where the 9/11 attacks were not a controlled demolition or that Israel didn’t have prior notice?

    Nope.

    I am fully aware you have had over the many years, posted many opinions, but as far as I have seen, just opinions, no evidence…none whatsoever.

    A monkey could do that.

  110. I debated Allan’s points with him, but as he is a robotic troll it is often counterproductive. You’ve entered the same status.

  111. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:50 PM Said:
    Harri – I’m not aware of any credible psychiatric study that suggests people with religious beliefs suffer from any mental illness. You are free in your unhappy life to believe or not believe in religion. It makes no difference to me.

    You old tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist you.

  112. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 8:51 PM Said:
    I debated Allan’s points with him, but as he is a robotic troll it is often counterproductive. You’ve entered the same status.

    Exhibit #1001

  113. Other than laughing at Allan that’s all you can find…. ?

    Mahons doesn’t need any evidence..

    He’s a lawyer.

    😏

  114. Harri – I don’t think it is necessary to post counter videos, counter articles and counter photos if that is what you are referring to.

  115. Harri – you seem to be unduly envious of my profession. I don’t recall yours.

  116. Here ya go… Mahons idea of debating his position……

    Mahons, on May 27th, 2020 at 12:43 AM Said: Edit Comment
    Lol. Patrick didn’t fall for this scam. He knows it is fake.

    That is his ONLY comment on the Biden thread he cites as an example of him debating….

    roflmao…. Wow great argument counselor…..

    Such skill such well thought out and presentation of your position… we are all convinced by your mastery of the facts, your delivery of the evidence and reasoning of your position….

    lol I’m convinced.

  117. “Allan supplies evidence? Hysterical. Crackpot conspiracy videos and psychotic websites in support of his deranged worldview is not evidence.”

    I once looked in to some bizarre quotes that he said came from the Talmud. Not only were the quotes fake, the books they supposedly came from were fake as well.

  118. Good. Not convinced enough to take down a false post of course.

  119. Mahons. , on May 28th, 2020 at 8:54 PM Said:
    Harri – I don’t think it is necessary to post counter videos, counter articles and counter photos if that is what you are referring to.

    I know, so you just have an opinion then?

    I work in a lab Mahons,

    You are a lawyer, I would have thought evidence was at least remotely important?

  120. No one is attacking your profession Mahons, nor your talent in it…. The others may not know who you are, but I do. If I was being sued by someone in your area of expertise I would feel blessed to have you as my defense representation.

    Your talent and skill are never displayed on this site, and that’s fine. It’s a respite from real stress for you and there is nothing wrong with that, but don’t pretend that you’ve ever brought those skills and talents into play here on this site.

    I wish you would.

  121. A lab. As what?

  122. A rat? I didn’t think they went home at night.

  123. lol

  124. I run the lab.

    Substrate chemical analysis.

    I work for Ze Germans.

    A rather large chemical company.

    45 years…and counting.

    Now back to supplying evidence in any form

    You can’t even be arsed to do that…never.

    Allan@ in that sense, like most on ATW are leaps and bounds ahead you there.

    As I said, a monkey given enough time could simply reply with some unfunny, slight witty arrogant retort.

    It must be a New York thing?

    For a lawyer Mahons, no offence my friend, but your evidence supplied to back up your opinions on ATW is pretty grim.

  125. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 9:05 PM Said:
    A rat? I didn’t think they went home at night.

    Exhibit # 1002

  126. Your talent and skill are never displayed on this site,

    Now that is evident.

  127. Poor Paul….. it was a good post, but it’s turned into a Mohons fry…..

  128. I once looked in to some bizarre quotes that he said came from the Talmud. Not only were the quotes fake, the books they supposedly came from were fake as well

    I once followed a link of ‘evidence’ he used in one of his tirades and it brought me to a site that claimed there were lizards in human form!! I am not exaggerating one iota here.

    I run the lab.

    Substrate chemical analysis

    You went to university H? What did you study?

  129. And boy, has he been fried..

  130. Poor Paul….. it was a good post

    Hey, if you boys want to go around the well trodden ‘he said, she said’ mulberry bush again be my guest. After all, as you said yourself, the content of ATW is up to ourselves.

  131. Poor Harri. He thinks the dictionary definition of the word ‘evidence’ is ” cut and paste clips from dodgy internet websites”

  132. Colm, on May 28th, 2020 at 9:31 PM Said:
    Poor Harri. He thinks the dictionary definition of the word ‘evidence’ is ” cut and paste clips from dodgy internet websites”

    Poor response.

    You sound like Phantom.

  133. Meow

  134. A razor sharp response Harri, cutting you into ribbons 🙂

  135. If the evidence doesn’t come from an unknown Turkish website, then it should not be considered

  136. Colm is a CIA mole.

    You do notice that his name begins with C?

  137. I once followed a link of ‘evidence’ he used in one of his tirades and it brought me to a site that claimed there were lizards in human form!! I am not exaggerating one iota here.

    I had a neighbor that believed their base was under the Denver Airport……..

  138. //I’m trying to not get too personal here.//

    Then you’re failing badly, Harri. You’ve been insulting mahons personally right from the start.

  139. Noel

    Harri gets into these whirwind fixations with people. It used to be kurt, sometimes it’s Phantom, then me, tonight its Mahons. Don’t worry, I’m sure you won’t be left out 🙂

  140. Maybe it’s just with guys he thinks drove women from the site.

    I wonder did ATW ever have a cross-commenter; someone commenting as a women but who was really a man.
    Speaking of which, how do we know Jo was a woman?

  141. Back to the original point…I am one of those who reads with some frequency but doesn’t comment much, at least anymore. Originally followed DV when he left Slugger. I don’t remember what year that was except that I was in my 20s so it has been a while. At the time I’d been reading up on Irish history; from an Irish-American Catholic family with a broadly nationalist perspective and it was interesting to interact with the unionists who were around then – Willowfield, Madradin Ruad, DV himself. Was in grad school at the time and it was easier to engage in the sense that I had more time. These days if I leave a comment, by the time I come back to the thread either the conversation has moved on or the thread has died. The commentariat was certainly larger and probably more politically diverse then, interesting to see others remembering former commenters like Tom Tyler, Ross, Henry94. It’s also always striking to see the perceptions – there are few if any liberals (in the US sense) ever on here.

  142. Harri just likes to get his bit of Gammoning in before the drink takes effect.
    He’s very generous with his idea of witty attacks though, As Colm says, he likes to spread it around 🙂

  143. Noel

    How do we know (without meeting) who any of us are. I always prefer to imagine Allan is really a little old liberal Jewish woman with a black husband who just comes on here as “Allan” for a laugh 🙂

  144. Seimi

    Harri’s idea of a witty attack is to post a phrase like “oh the liberals heads are exploding” and then repeat the same phrase in his next 10 comments just in case we don’t laugh the first time 🙂

  145. Has anyone met ” Jo “.

    Kurt, how you doin’?

  146. I came here somewhere between 2002 and 2006.
    I used to comment on a board called the Peace in Northern Ireland board, and one of the regulars recommended this board when the PINI, (as it was known), board closed down. I think it might have been a commenter called Jimmy sands, who used to comment on here a long time ago.
    I remember Patrick, (Troll) was here when I arrived. I think we ended up arguing after I’ve made about 7 posts. 😀

  147. Well I’ve met Noel, and he’s actually Noelle, a German dancer with a lederhosen fetish. Harri, as we know, is actually Harriet. Paula McMahon is an ex-pat Brit. Davina Alton works in a hairdresser’s. And Peter was burning tyres and melting ice-cubes the last time I saw him, all the while shouting, “F**k you, environment!”

  148. It took all of 7 postings before you argued with Patrick. Jeez they must have been very mild comments…. 🙂

  149. I’m sure Patrick was an intern who ‘served’ President Clinton 🙂

  150. I’m sure Patrick was an intern who ‘served’ President Clinton 🙂

    He’s still got that dress 😉

  151. comment more often Neal.

  152. Yes but it’s not Blue……

  153. the alternate me……

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/28/article-0-0CEB9E46000005DC-784_468x347.jpg

  154. Patrick

    Is that how long your hair has grown during lockdown ? 🙂

  155. Harri,

    Even Allan@ supplies his evidence for debate and arguments…

    I wouldn’t consider what Allan supplies as evidence for his arguments. Unless you have an extremely low standard for what you consider evidence.

  156. On the actual topic:

    like many others, I hopped over from Slugger, many years ago (can’t remember what year), and stayed, mainly because of the anti-Irish/Republican/Nationalist slant to many of the posts. Plus, I like a good debate/argument. One thing I immediately liked was the lesser restrictions on language as opposed to Slugger. Not the cursing etc, but there did seem to be more freedom for posters to express their feelings here. I still enjoy Slugger, and Mick is a nice guy, but I just felt that comments were more closely examined, with anything even potentially troublesome being deleted.
    I also think I got straight into an argument, though I can’t remember who with.
    Regarding people being ‘driven away’: I don’t believe that. People left of their own volition, nobody forced them to go. I know why I stopped commenting, and I know why I came back. It’s a pity people like Agit8ed decided not to do the same.
    Daphne’s posts are missed. They were interesting, and her use of English was wonderful.
    The content of the posts these days is sadly too predictable. Trump good; black people bad; Johnson good; Cummings above reproach; Flynn whatever(?).
    I enjoy reading Paul’s posts, and it’s a nice break from the norm to read Phantom’s travel posts, or mahons’ reflections. I’d love to see a post or two from some of the regulars: Dave Alton, Peter – even Harri!
    But I would be very interested in a post (albeit very late!) from Noel on his impressions of Belfast when he came over! I’m beginning to think that he hated it and thought very little of his (hopefully!) genial host!

  157. The funniest thing is I recall the artist formerly known as Troll complimenting one of my first comments. How he must rue that day.

  158. The loss of Daphne as a poster and Aileen as a commentator, and David as a real presence has been the greatest loss to ATW. I think people should sometimes consider that people they may disagree with may actually be very sound. I met David on a trip he made to NYC many years ago, and he was very sound and gracious.

  159. Mahons

    You may be a Lawyer and Patrick may be prepared to take a lot of abuse, but accusing him of complimenting one of your comments is a slur too far. He will will see you in court now for sure 🙂

  160. Seimi.

    Davina Alton works in a hairdresser’s

    I’m a stylist and beauty technician if you don’t mind!

  161. With all the other names from the past being thrown about, it seems a shame not to mention the Caped Crusader, Secret Squirrel himself, mister “I have a file on Mcguinness that could sink him, but for reasons known only to me, I won’t be going to the cops with it”- Logical Unionist 🙂

    There are boxes of frogs who looked at that guy and thought, “Now that’s crazy!”

  162. But I would be very interested in a post (albeit very late!) from Noel on his impressions of Belfast when he came over! I’m beginning to think that he hated it and thought very little of his (hopefully!) genial host!

    Yeah, I’d like it too. I gave up hasseling him after three or so reminders.

    BTW, it’s good to see you back, fáilte ar ais.

  163. I’m a stylist and beauty technician if you don’t mind!

    Apologies, Davina!

  164. I met David on a trip he made to NYC many years ago, and he was very sound and gracious.

    I’ve met David twice now, and found him to be a very nice, pleasant guy. Same goes for Phantom and Noel.

    Not Paul though – he’s a c*nt 🙂

  165. BTW, it’s good to see you back, fáilte ar ais.

    Cheers, a chara. Gonna play it by ear for a while, see how it goes.

  166. My reputation preceding me again I see.

  167. Yeah, I’d like it too. I gave up hasseling him after three or so reminders.

    In fairness though, we did meet up ourselves in Pamplona, and should have written a post. Someone (you) should do that.

    3 posts in a row, where 1 would have sufficed. Christ, I’m turning into Harri!

  168. Harri,

    I run the lab.

    Substrate chemical analysis.

    I work for Ze Germans.

    Have you met professor Frank-N-Furter? I believe his office is just a jump to the left from yours.

  169. Almost there. Take a step to the right.

  170. Mahons, on May 28th, 2020 at 11:17 PM Said: Edit Comment
    The funniest thing is I recall the artist formerly known as Troll complimenting one of my first comments. How he must rue that day.

    on the contrary…..

    I stand by it, my complaint about you is that that was the highlight…. you’ve never lived up to what you could contribute.

    I don’t care that you’re a liberal. We are all entitled to our views. What I care about is that you’ve never lived up to what you were capable of contributing.

    If you fleshed out your views, made any arguments in defense of your positions I would be your biggest fan.

    I admire Paul/Seimi I disagree with most of what they say, but they make their case.

    I leave Alan alone not just because he’s nuts, but because he defends his beliefs whether we think he’s wrong or not doesn’t matter. He’s earned the respect of his conviction.

  171. Seimi,

    Almost there. Take a step to the right.

    Magnificent!. 😀

  172. Good for you Patrick. Given your judgement I am deeply worried over what you may think or write.

  173. I hate that bloody song , always have 🙁

  174. He’s earned the respect of his conviction.

  175. He’s earned the respect of his conviction.

    Not sure what that means.

    He is divorced from reality, and thinks that Nazi Germany was the perfect society.

    What is there to respect in that?

  176. You can’t make it up.

  177. He’s earned the respect of his conviction.

    No offence Patrick, that’s one of the daftest things you’ve ever said.

    Patrick, you intrigued me last night when you asked me had I heard of something to do with an l Ron Hubbard book, in response to my comment claiming the Imperial system of measurement was mad.
    What point were you going to make?

  178. Colm,

    I hate that bloody song , always have 🙁

    Oh mate! You haven’t lived until you’ve been to see the Rocky Horror picture show live dressed in drag.

  179. Ahhh another round of atw’s favorite circle jerk… talking about themselves and their never ending feuds.

    Thanks for the kind words, gentlemen. I have no idea how I ended up in this odd place.

    Love most of you a lot. Despise a few of a you little when I bother to think of you at all.

  180. I hate that bloody song , always have

    Does it drive you insay yay yay yane?

  181. In fairness though, we did meet up ourselves in Pamplona, and should have written a post. Someone (you) should do that

    My memory of it’s a bit hazy.

  182. Dave Alton, on May 28th, 2020 at 11:10 PM Said:

    Harri,

    Even Allan@ supplies his evidence for debate and arguments…

    I wouldn’t consider what Allan supplies as evidence for his arguments. Unless you have an extremely low standard for what you consider evidence.

    Well Dave, on a recent thread, you mentioned 5G sarcastically as being a ‘threat’ so I provided a link to the science and I asked you for your opinion. I don’t recall a response so I’ll re-attach the low standard of evidence:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaB7ewFsN0

  183. My memory of it’s a bit hazy.

    We should ask a barman in town to write it. Pretty much any barman.

  184. Dave

    Patrick, you intrigued me last night when you asked me had I heard of something to do with an l Ron Hubbard book, in response to my comment claiming the Imperial system of measurement was mad.
    What point were you going to make?

    We were talking the Metric System vs English/American standard measurement…..

    Before L Ron became a cult leader he wrote scifi. Battlefield Earth was actually not half bad. In the book the reason and entire key to understanding the Psychlo Technology was their Math system. Every other race in the Universe used a standard math ie metric.

    All the Psychlo systems were based on their old math system that no one else understood or remembered. At the time of reading that book the fact that the entire world EXCEPT the US used metric….. we were the Psychlos.

    Just one of those odd connections the mind feeds you at times……

  185. On the subject of old commenters, Kloot and Jaz deserve a mention.

    Paul McMahon, on May 28th, 2020 at 5:12 PM Said:

    Petr, how did you get to be here?

    Via the United Irelander blog I believe, and probably Slugger.

  186. Colm, on May 28th, 2020 at 6:52 PM Said:

    …sadly others may actually have just become unwell or shuffled off this mortal coil..

    Indeed. I liked Agit8ed a lot. I hope he is safe and well.

  187. Looking back through the ATW archives, I saw this. Still funny!

    Noel Cunningham, on November 7th, 2012 at 3:40 PM Said:
    This is fun

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/07/donald-trump-twitter-tirade-obama

  188. Still not forgotten, Seimi. The stay in Belfast was by far the highlight of our trip. My tardiness is embarrassing. If it’s any excuse, I also still haven’t settled accounts with Christoph, after I’d paid for all transport and accommodation.
    But now THIS WEEKEND! I promise.

  189. I came across the pond to Slugger with Pat and Monica after 9/11, so I’ve been around 19 years. I’ve grown old with you lot! I’ve met Pat and Monica in NYC, salt of the earth people they are. We had a lovely lunch and conversation together.

    Why do I keep coming back? Good question Paul. I guess because I feel that I “know” some of you lot, even though I really don’t. It’s a virtual thing I guess.

  190. Why do I keep coming back? Good question Paul. I guess because I feel that I “know” some of you lot, even though I really don’t. It’s a virtual thing I guess.

    Yeah, I think familiarity is an important part of us returning here Charles. As I say above, I now come here more out of habit than out of expectation.

    Hope you’re doing okay, keeping well & staying safe.

  191. My reasons for leaving is old news and not relevant now as I have seen comments from the individual concerned that admits he shouldn’t have said what he did and it was “thick bloody wit” as we might say that made him double down. So I don’t have moral objections to commenting here any more. (BTW others have said as bad but they were merely commentators and not part of what I consider the core ATW team).

    So line drawn.

    There isn’t as much to draw me in anymore. So few unionists comment any more and I don’t really “get” US politics. It might have been interesting to comment more fully when I was a candidate in the EU elections but hay ho.

    I am on Twitter where I interact with David like back in the old days.

    I was drawn to ATW by a post by David on one of the anniversaries of the bomb. I hadn’t intended to stay. I just wanted to thank him for the support.

    After knowing him online for many years we finally met face to face not long ago in London. It was a hoot.