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AND FENTANYL?

By Pete Moore On June 2nd, 2020

We know that the racism inherent in the system killed George Floyd.

The one-page summary also noted that Mr. Floyd was intoxicated with fentanyl and had recently used methamphetamines.

The criminal complaint said that the autopsy “revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” Mr. Floyd, the complaint said, had underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.

Yep, the racism inherent in the system. Compounding severe heart disease with fentanyl, a drug notorious for inducing respiratory and heart failure (why do you think it kills so many?) probably has something to do with it too. Fentanyl, not even counting the methamphetamines too, is so strong that anyone, even healthy people, getting a high from it are at real risk of death. What Chauvin did remains, but that murder charge might have become a touch more difficult to justify in a court. With his dodgy ticker and that cocktail of crap inside him I’m surprised he lasted as long as he did.

Not that anyone now remembers who George Floyd was.

79 Responses to “AND FENTANYL?”

  1. Floyd certainly had a violent past and the store clerk noted he appeared drunk. None of that prevents a murder conviction.

  2. The word you can’t bring yourself to use, Pete, is ‘homicide’.

    Both the official and the independent autopsies agree that the manner of death was homicide.

    You bridled last time I used the word ‘dishonest’, but to omit this rather key word is pretty much the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

  3. What Mr Floyd was on is called a speedball a heroin crank mix and it doesn’t change the fact that he was murdered.

  4. What shall happen if there isn’t a murder conviction?

  5. He’s already convicted.

  6. The word you can’t bring yourself to use, Pete, is ‘homicide’.

    Well I can, but it’s use is more common in the US.

    Of course it’s a case of “homicide”, but homicide is a wide term. Homicides can be lawful and even a good thing. Homicide simply means that a person has killed another person.

    “Murder” is a specific thing. It’s a high bar to prove. Intent and mens rea must be proven. It must be proven that Chauvin intended to kill Floyd, who turned out to be chronically sick and full of so much crap it’s a wonder he was alive in the first place.

  7. He’s already convicted.

    The ‘murderer’ been tried and convicted already?

  8. Patrick was referring to the court of public opinion.

  9. Which is the verdict he will carry the rest of his life no matter what the courts do.

  10. If not convicted of murder, there will be more riots.

    And the jury will know that.

    Good luck getting a fair trial in that environment.

    And how was the Minneapolis PD able to fire the police officers in a minute without any process or any pretense of one?

  11. He’ll be convicted as he should be, but good question Phantom there’s a Process.

    Even if they immediately took their badges and guns there is still a process.

  12. The police union has criticized the lack of any process in the firings, and everyone else should as well.

    ” Process ” isn’t only for people that everyone likes.

  13. Intent is not an element required to be proven in a murder in 3rd degree charge. They only have to prove depraved indifference.

  14. What “process”was required under the municipal law of Minneapolis?

  15. I explained that on one of the other threads….. With his history and with the results of the first autopsy it was the best way to go.

    Now with Badin’s Autopsy they can up it to 2nd deg.

  16. And how was the Minneapolis PD able to fire the police officers in a minute without any process or any pretense of one?

    Are you questioning what you’ve been told?

    http://chrisspivey.org/think-floyd/

  17. I will let our constitutional masterminds say what the process should have been, but an instant firing by mayoral whim means that there was no review, no hearings, nothing.

  18. It would depend on whether Minneapolis police officers are “at will” employees. If they are then they can be summarily fired.

  19. Right, that is often the case in the US ( minimal employee protections ) but civil service employees will often have some due process rights and those who belong to supposedly strong unions should definitely have a process of some kind before an employee is terminated.

    If the mayor/boss can fire you on the spot, what’s the value of the union?

  20. It is funny in a way that someone who ignored a victim’s rights might invoke due process rights. I think an expedited firing was entirely justified in this case.

  21. And an expedited murder conviction would ” appear ” to be justified also.

    Who needs those burdensome regulations anyway!

  22. A firing is not a criminal conviction. If you have information that anything was bypassed in the firing of these officers under the circumstances kindly share it with us.

  23. Procedure and Law are the real Holy Grail.

    Blind and Equal

  24. Yes

    The purpose of procedure is precisely to protect the unpopular man.

    The employee who the mayor likes doesn’t need any procedural protections.

  25. “The employee who the mayor likes doesn’t need any procedural protections.”

    Which, as you’ve said, is the case for most employees. They key to rectifying it is to end “at will” employment.

  26. What procedural protections were in place that you say were wrongfully circumvented? We know you have no idea, but let’s assume that the the police union was aware of them might they have mentioned them? The officers were not fired because the Mayor didn’t like them. They were fired based on police misconduct that resulted in the wrongful killing of Floyd.

  27. //They were fired based on police misconduct that resulted in the wrongful killing of Floyd.//

    I wonder would they be fired if the police misconduct and wrongful killing had happened behind closed doors and didn’t lead to widespread violence.

    I think part of public confidence in the professionalism and objectivity of law enforcement is that police don’t overreact, either when making an arrest or in an effort to appease the resulting rioting.

  28. I don’t fully understand the murder in the first, second or third degree thing in the US. Is this policeman being charged with murder or manslaughter?

  29. What is “at will” employment ?

  30. I wonder would they be fired if the police misconduct and wrongful killing had happened behind closed doors and didn’t lead to widespread violence

    Precisely my thoughts in the wake of ‘the riots will ensure a conviction good luck with a fair trial’ comments elsewhere. I wonder what would have happened in this case had people not been around to record it?

    Mahons, I just want to commend you on your comments on this case. They have been the most considered, level, fair comments I’ve read from America.

  31. “What is “at will” employment?”

    Employees can be fired at will, meaning the company doesn’t need a reason to fire them.

  32. I wonder what would have happened in this case had people not been around to record it?

    How about wondering how people happened to be around to record it without any intervention to prevent this apparently clear-cut case of brutality being recorded? Whenever police are up to bad stuff, they make sure that recording is impeded or prevented

  33. A devilish plan within a devilish plan!

  34. Allan

    Do you think the police weren’t up to bad stuff during this incident ?

  35. // without any intervention to prevent this apparently clear-cut case of brutality being recorded? //

    How can you prevent something being recorded when it’s done in a public place where almost everyone has a mobile phone? Further evidence that it was done in the heat of the moment or else by a very unprofessional, but brutal, cop.

  36. There have been numerous cases where US police have told people that they can’t record the police

    https://abc7ny.com/police-video-recording-wilmington/1832167/

    And as far as I know, the police have been wrong in all these cases

    I doubt very much that there is any more police brutality now than there was in the past. I would imagine that there is a lot less of it.

    Before , it was your word against the police officers, and everyone would believe the cop, especially against a suspect.

    Almost every member of the public carries with him a high-quality video recording device with worldwide, immediate distribution capability.

    That’s mostly a good thing. I think.

  37. Colm – whenever police are doing bad things, they attempt to prevent recording of their misdeeds. Two other cops were apparently just hanging around as were the other occupants of Floyd’s car whilst, FOR TEN, PHOTOGENIC MINUTES, a white officer was kneeling on a black man’s neck. Amazingly, piles of bricks then appeared at city centres, and it wasn’t Putin:

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/shocking-evidence-that-indicates-that-somebody-is-trying-to-orchestrate-an-internal-uprising-inside-the-united-states

  38. Dave – in Minnesota the charge of murder can be brought in 3 circumstances running from first degree (the most egregious) to 3rd degree. First degree would include a premeditated murder. 3rd degree does not require premediation or intent to kill but does involve what the law refers to as depraved indifference, which rises above the reckless standard that one would associate with manslaughter.

  39. Paul – people are losing their minds here in the US, especially on social media. The pandemic, crazed economy and astoundingly bad leaders have created an environment ripe for utter lunacy.

  40. Thanks Mahons.

    I’m guessing that this officer would be charged with manslaughter unless they can prove he intended to kill George Floyd.

  41. // this officer would be charged with manslaughter unless they can prove he intended to kill George Floyd.//

    I presume this “depraved indifference” covers a cruel disregard for the man’s life and failure to do anything to save it. That’s probably quite likely in this case, i.e. a form of murder. Murder can apparently be found even if there was no intention to kill. But of course the final autopsy isn’t out yet.

  42. OK AlLan – Now I know where you are going with this. George Floyd and the cops are all actors and the incident was a stunt arranged as a catalyst for a Jewish organised ‘progressive’ uprising. George and the cops have been spirited away to a luxury hiding place somewhere in Israel where they will be richly rewarded by their ‘masters’ 🙂

  43. Colm.

    Tell me you’re joking mate. Allan doesn’t believe this is a conspiracy as well does he? (I haven’t read his posts on this.)

  44. Dave
    Of course he believes that. It’s what he does.

  45. How about wondering how people happened to be around to record it without any intervention to prevent this apparently clear-cut case of brutality being recorded?

    Joining the dots.

    The cop was under orders to kill George Floyd and his colleagues were under orders not to stop people filming it. The state instructed one of its agents to kill a guy so others would film it and incite rioting against state agents.

    There are none so blind as those who won’t see.

  46. Dave

    Just read Allan’s 12:31pm comment today on this thread. His conclusion is obvious.

  47. Dave – they do not have to prove intent to kill. Just a depraved indifference to human life in commiting an act that resulted in death. The standard is clearly met here.
    Manslaughter is a lesser charge.

  48. I wonder how long these two Antifa terrorists might get to spend in jail?

    arrested after a Molotov cocktail was thrown into a NYPD van with four officers inside. Samantha Shader, 27, of Catskill, NY, is charged with throwing the incendiary device, which did not explode. Her sister, Darian, 21, (left) then allegedly tried to stop the arrest of Samantha Shader. The police have hit Samantha Shader with a slew of major charges including attempted murder of a police officer, attempted arson, assault on a police officer, criminal possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment. Her sister faces charges of resisting arrest and obstruction of governmental administration.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/05/31/the-shader-sisters-two-women-arrested-after-molotov-cocktail-is-thrown-into-van-with-four-officers/

  49. Perhaps some of our New York lawyers could help us with a code issue. I was able to find attempted murder in the second degree but not a first degree program. Murder in the first degree includes

    “the intended victim was a police officer as defined in subdivision 34 of section 1.20 of the criminal procedure law who was at the time of the killing engaged in the course of performing his official duties, and the defendant knew or reasonably should have known that the intended victim was a police officer.”
    This would appear therefore an attempted murder in the first degree.

  50. Harri

    You are definitely going to be back in Phantom’s good books with your 3:04pm comment 🙂

  51. $33 out of a target of $50,000

    Yeah, good luck with that one.

    Petr…did deep in solidarity.

    SAMANTHA & DARIAN SHADER Legal Support Fund❤️

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/samantha-shader-relief-fund

  52. Lovely.

  53. I’ve just pledged the remaining $49,967 to the fund….. just to annoy Phantom 🙂

  54. Antifa terrorists

    LOL

  55. I guarantee you that they will receive financial support from the usuals.

    Their images will be on T shirts worn by the same trendies that wear that played out Che t shirt image.

    Take it to the bank.

  56. I would say attempting to burn four police officers alive was an act of terrorism

    I hope the judge and jury agree.

    I also hope they both enjoy the very close attention of Ms Big Bubba in jail.

  57. Their images will be on T shirts worn by the same trendies that wear that played out Che t shirt image.

  58. Their images will be on T shirts worn by the same trendies that wear that played out Che t shirt image.

    Yes Phantom, especially if they get the mass publicity that you were complaining the media weren’t giving them !

  59. I have to say, Harri’s persistence in trying to keep this a relevant story. It has to be admired so I may as well give it a punt.

    Just what is it that matches these sisters to the A bogeyman?

    If these sisters are now the ‘antifa sisters’ does it mean that Phanton & Harri are the ‘antifa’ brothers?

  60. Harri — Is it never ok to stand up to the coercive arm of the state? Even when they’re using black people for target practice?

  61. Phantom and Harri are their publicity agents 🙂

  62. Both those sisters should get the book thrown at them.

  63. The state is not using black people as target practice. That irresponsible rhetoric is getting people killed from rioters and other criminals.

  64. Petr – is it ever acceptable for white misguided Antifa to use black people as pawns to cause and create anarchy?

    Do the cops never kill white people then?

  65. H, what is it that ties the ‘antifa sisters’ to ‘antifa?’

    ‘Antifa’ now seem to have replaced the Jews in using blacks for nafarious means?

  66. Oh let’s see..

    Both sisters have a long history for clashing with the cops..

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=192467314694933&story_fbid=615931279015199

    They are Antifa, and make absolutely no mistake about it.

  67. A video taken Friday night by a witness captured the 27-year-old Shader lighting a Molotov cocktail and throwing it at a police vehicle occupied by four officers in Crown Heights, shattering two of its windows. The device reportedly did not explode and all of the officers escaped.

    Social media users, including former NYPD Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik, who oversaw the city’s response to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, have alleged that Samantha Shader is a member of the militant left-wing, anti-fascist group Antifa. Authorities have not commented on those claims.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-molotov-cocktail-nypd-van-federal-charges-antifa-brooklyn-riots-floyd

  68. Antifa is part of the devil’s coalition, along with common criminals.

    They should not be confused with the large majority of protesters, who are peaceful and disciplined, and who have confronted the bad guys on numerous occasions.

  69. So, former NYPD Commissioner tweeting about the attack with a hash tag ‘antifa terrorists’ is the sum of evidence tying these sisters to ‘antifa?’ Is that right?

  70. Yesterday at dinner I asked my son if he knew what “Antifa” was. “Of course, it’s a lifestyle” was his reply.

    He’s right. It’s generally no more or no less than that. Bored kids who can do a lot of damage.

  71. Not just bored kids

    Bored asshole sociology professors, bored lawyers who think that they know the world. Them too.

  72. Indeed Noel, that’s what I’ve bben trying to explain to some around here. The ‘antifa’ bogeyman is an abstract concept, a philosophy. The former NYPD Commissioner may as well have hash tagged ‘vegan terrorists’ for all that it means.

    Now, the reports of white supremacists and militias being involved in the violence? that may well be more cohesive groups.

  73. There are numerous violent mainly small but fluid groups who will organise themselves to support the instigation of anarchist violence against the “Capitalist Racist Patriarchal Oppressive System” but ‘Antifa’ is just an ideological name linking these disparate groups.

  74. Apparently Samantha Shader has been arrested 11 times in 11 different states in the last decade. Which would suggest that she is, if not Antifa, a professional provocateur.

  75. I’d like to learn a lot more about her, her contacts, and her sources of income over the past decade.

    I shall imagine that the NYPD and FBI, who work very closely together, are very busy on her case.

    You would not want to be on her contacts list.

  76. I genuinely feel bad at times for some of these people, who have ruined their lives so irrevocably, for such a completely wicked cause.

    But then I think of what nearly happened the other night, and it passes.

    You are who your friends / influencers are? Who influenced them?

  77. I’d like to learn a lot more about her, her contacts, and her sources of income over the past decade.

  78. I’d like to learn a lot more about her, her contacts, and her sources of income over the past decade.

    I bet you would Phantom 🙂

  79. Wise thoughts, Colm 🙂