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David Vance in conversation with Rebecca Butler

By Patrick Van Roy On June 2nd, 2020

How exactly did we get into the Lockdown? What influenced Boris Johnson so change track so dramatically?

25 Responses to “David Vance in conversation with Rebecca Butler”

  1. The whole Covid-thing was fake from the outset. Corona-virus was known and shown to be part of the seasonal array of respiratory viruses – and now the results are coming in. Italy calls it a big-nothing, and the German authorities are desperately attempting to contain laekage of a report calling it a hoax:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/05/29/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-corona-as-global-false-alarm/

    Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.

    Some of the report key passages are:

    The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.
    The people who die from Corona are essentially those who would statistically die this year, because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).
    Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18.
    The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.
    A reproach could go along these lines: During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.

    So far, so bad. But it gets worse.

    The report focuses on the “manifold and heavy consequences of the Corona measures” and warns that these are “grave”.

    More people are dying because of state-imposed Corona-measures than they are being killed by the virus.

    The entire media and medical authorities combined with a highly-credulous public got this and every other country into the mess that they are in. Stop the hoax, and just admit that you were duped

  2. that’s an hour long video Alan you could have at least pretended to have taken the time to waatch it before you started spreading your bile…. but ya gotta love consistancy

  3. Patrick – what??

    The question that DV is discussing is “How exactly did we get into the Lockdown?”

    Now, of the “bile” in my post at 9.46pm, what exactly do you take issue with given that results are now available and that the points highlighted are in a report by the German Interior Ministry which is stating what my position was from the outset of this fake-pandemic

  4. Patrick

    I thought you agreed with Allan that the Coronavirus was ‘just another flu’ and that the responses to it had been disproportionate. Now all of a sudden you say he is spreading “bile”

  5. I don’t care if he cuts and pastes my own words….. if he posts it, it’s bile……

  6. Alan Alan Alan

    I don’t read what you post…. I haven’t in years. You my friend are deluded. And that’s Ok, you have the right to be, but no one has to take you seriously, I don’t.

  7. Ok I get what you mean now.

  8. You would think he would have the ability to edit out the technical snafu at the start

  9. Patrick – nobody here takes anybody seriously. It’s a blogsite where opinions and the bases of these opinions are offered up for discussion, illumination or repudiation – that’s all. Everything at 9.46pm is correct, as usual. When the vaccine for Covid-19 comes out, you can have mine

  10. I don’t hate myself enough to sit through an hour of this sort of nonsense but I clicked through at random places and landed on Butler whining about the Notting Hill Carnival

  11. I’ll have your vaccine Allan, especially if I get a free lollipop like they give out in my work each year with our free flu vaccine !

    Yes I am a big kid. 😉

  12. Much as I like David, I too am not willing to sit through an hour of him talking to some random woman 🥱

  13. The Troll, on October 22nd, 2013 at 3:50 AM Said:

    Allan you are without a doubt the scum of the earth.My words can’t express the revulsion that your very existence evokes.

    I think this is something most of us here can agree on.

  14. Putting aside the uncontrollable emotions of what used to be men at ATW, the fact remains that the figures are coming through on the Covid-hoax. Italy calls it a big-nothing, and the German authorities are desperately attempting to contain laekage of a report calling it a hoax:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/05/29/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-corona-as-global-false-alarm/

    Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.

    Some of the report key passages are:

    The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.
    The people who die from Corona are essentially those who would statistically die this year, because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).
    Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18.
    The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.
    A reproach could go along these lines: During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.

    So far, so bad. But it gets worse.

    The report focuses on the “manifold and heavy consequences of the Corona measures” and warns that these are “grave”.

    More people are dying because of state-imposed Corona-measures than they are being killed by the virus.

    The entire media and medical authorities combined with a highly-credulous public got this and every other country into the mess that they are in. Stop the hoax, and just admit that you were duped. It’s not easy for, as an American author wrote:

    “It’s easier to fool someone than to explain to someone that he’s been fooled.” Y’all have been fooled so STOP

  15. Its a bit weird that Petr trawled back to find a single comment posted by Patrick 7 years ago, just to post it again today !

  16. What influenced Boris Johnson so change track so dramatically?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-bill-and-melinda-gates-19-may-2020

    The Prime Minister spoke to Bill and Melinda Gates today via video call. He was joined by Kate Bingham, Chair of the UK’s Vaccine Taskforce.

    They discussed the UK’s contribution to helping countries around the world tackle coronavirus and the important work of the Gates Foundation in this area.

    Both parties expressed their hope that a viable vaccine will be found as soon as possible.

    They also shared their commitment to the vital work of Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance, and looked forward to the upcoming UK-hosted Global Vaccine Summit on June 4th.

    Which was the senior participant?

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/who-controls-british-government-response-covid19-part-one

    1. GAVI and Imperial College

    The VIMC is hosted by the Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at Imperial College. VIMC is funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and by “GAVI, the vaccine alliance” (GAVI’s own title for itself). Bill and Melinda Gates began funding Imperial College in 2006, four years before the Gates Foundation launched the Global Health Leaders Launch Decade of Vaccines Collaboration (GHLLDVC) and one year after Ferguson had demonstrated his penchant for overblown projections on mortality numbers from H5N1.

    Up to the end of 2018, the Gates Foundation has sponsored Imperial College with a whopping $185 million. That makes Gates the second largest sponsor, beaten to the top spot on the podium by the Wellcome Trust, a British research charity which began funding Imperial College prior to Ferguson’s FMD débâcle and which, by the end of 2018, had already provided Imperial with over $400 million in funding. I will examine the Wellcome Trust’s connections in part two of this series.

  17. Colm, on June 3rd, 2020 at 11:50 AM Said:
    Its a bit weird that Petr trawled back to find a single comment posted by Patrick 7 years ago, just to post it again today !

    I remembered it. It was very well put, and as true today as then.

  18. that’s all. Everything at 9.46pm is correct, as usual. When the vaccine for Covid-19 comes out, you can have mine

    Patrick can have mine as well

    Double dose, double the protection.

  19. Petr – which comment on this particular thread triggered you and your uncontrollable emotions? I’m calling Covid a hoax and providing data in support of my position. Does this upset you?

  20. Allan you are without a doubt the scum of the earth.My words can’t express the revulsion that your very existence evokes.

    Re-posted by a member of Antifa.

    The irony is off the scale.

  21. Petr.

    Are you still a proud member of Antifa?

  22. Petr Tarasov, on February 4th, 2016 at 12:03 AM Said:
    Transport arranged for anti fascist demo in Dublin this Saturday. Huge crowd expected. Been on the bunch bag all evening, hoping to send a few fascists home with injuries. No platform!

  23. Witnessing the death and destruction across America, with Antifa at the core of most it.

    It might not be the best time to admit being a member of an ultra-violent organised group of anarchists.

    An interesting thread from the past.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=61930

  24. So Petr is a posh, middle-class soy 🙂

    Petr – is it ‘fascist’ to point out the corporate Covid-hoax? I previously wanted Colm to have my vaccine-shot but you can have it instead

  25. I like Rebecca Butler. She always talks sense.