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A Message from a Gay Black Man

By Patrick Van Roy On June 2nd, 2020

116 Responses to “A Message from a Gay Black Man”

  1. He is right. The rioting and looting is a total disgrace.

  2. it’s well said from someone you’d expect to have suffered discrimination.

  3. to graphic to put on the front

    https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1267978136026832897

  4. That is truly awful. Rest In Peace.

  5. There will be many black, Asian, white small business people who have lost their life savings this week when their businesses were destroyed.

    The big department stores have insurance, the little guy often does not.

    And this happens after some of them have been closed for maybe two months due to the lockdown, which just now in some places has been eased.

    Even if they can afford to reopen, why should they? So that this can happen again?

  6. The fact that you know that this can, and most likely will, happen again is depressing.

  7. I wasn’t able to play the video for a while, but I got it going there. I was expecting at least part of it to be something about this man being Gay, but he doesn’t mention it once, so why is the post titled, A Message from a Gay Black Man?

    Genuinely curious.

  8. His Twitter profile reads

    https://twitter.com/robsmithonline

    Rob Smith @robsmithonline
    America’s Favorite Black Gay Veteran Republican! Iraq Vet.

  9. Ah right. I have Twitter, but I don’t really bother with it and definitely don’t fully understand it.

    Cheers, Fews!

  10. This will be a big body blow to many struggling US downtowns, some of whom have been benefiting from a bit of a resurgence over the past 15 years or so.

    I think that places like NYC will recover from this, but I don’t know about Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia, other places.

    I’ve been to Cleveland a number of times, and would usually stay downtown. Past 7pm, it was a ghost town, sidewalks rolled up, everyone back to the suburbs, unless there was a baseball game on at the Jake. I read of widespread looting there and I wonder, what the hell was there to loot? Parts of that city, like parts of Detroit had been effectively abandoned by the city governments, with the remaining structures torn down, before now.

    A bright spot in an unlikely place – no looting in Newark NJ. A poor, black city that still has not recovered from the 1967 race riots has had AFAIK no looting or riots this time. There have been peaceful protests. I wish them well.

  11. If you click on his name on twitter it tells you who he is. A Gay/Black/Veteran

    The fact that he is both gay and black means he has encountered genuine discrimination. I believe hearing from people who have actually suffered discrimination pointing out that this is not the way to behave is important to hear.

  12. https://gothamist.com/news/bronx-small-business-owners-reel-night-looting-and-vandalism

    A friend lives two blocks away from where looting took place in Fordham the Bronx, near the Jesuit university.

    There is great anger at the looters in the community.

  13. Good for Newark. Proves it can be done right and this has nothing to do with protests.

    The one Neighborhood they looted Philly that will have a hard time recovering is the strip at 52nd and Baltimore. It’s all small ethnic stores and stores that specialize in Black culture also with a ton of strret carts.

    All small businesses were looted and the carts destroyed. Most of the vendors will never be able to recover.

  14. “This will be a big body blow to many struggling US downtowns, some of whom have been benefiting from a bit of a resurgence over the past 15 years or so.” I think it is a serious blow to any area that was affected. Why can’t there be a government bailout for these areas? One could argue that the government has some responsibility because it did not protect these businesses from getting looted and trashed.

  15. NY Governor Cuomo tried to blame the NYPD for failing to stop the looting.

    But the top uniformed cop shot right back at him.

    Due to a recent and poorly thought out bail reform in NY State, one highly controversial even among Democrats well before this week, very many looters aren’t being held for long. They’re set free, since looting is “ only a property crime “. Those who rioted two days ago here, may be rioting tonight.

    The NYPD’s top uniformed cop talked to The Post in an exclusive interview Tuesday about how his cops have been “giving their blood” as they’ve responded to protests that have become increasingly violent over the past five days and raged against Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s criticism of his department.

    Chief Terence Monahan said he had slept for only three hours since the fifth night of protests and that all his guys are “cut up” from struggling with troublemakers in the city.

    “Our guys are tired, they’re bleeding,” Monahan said. “I think everyone you’re going to see is walking around cut up. But they’re out there again tonight. They’re out there giving their blood to keep this city safe.”

    Despite the cops’ efforts, “just about all” of those arrested will be back out on the streets because of bail reform, Monahan said, noting that some people arrested for guns might remain behind bars.

    “But when it comes to a burglary, which is a commercial store, which is looting, they’re back out,” he said. “Because of bail reform, you’re back out on the street the next day. You cannot be held on any sort of bail. I spoke to (Manhattan District Attorney) Cy Vance about that. He told me there was nothing he could do.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/nypd-chief-of-department-speaks-out-outraged-at-gov-cuomo/

  16. He also told him to pound sand on TV.

    No force is better prepaired to deal with this than NYPD but they’ve been ordered to stand down by the Mayor.

  17. NYr you’re right if anyone should be bailed out it’s the small business 2-10 people shops, but they’ll be the last if at all.

  18. Folks, as I have great difficulty with attempting to watch Twitter videos, as my computer throws a conniption fit every time I click on a Twitter (possibly because i tried to join up to Twitter, and failed miserably): I was wondering if the video can be extracted, and played separately?

    Many posts hold these videos, and as I like to keep up with opinion, I’d like to watch.

    Just asking.

  19. To the commentators on here who live in New York.
    Take care guys.

    This rioting is an absolute f***ing disgrace. It does nothing to achieve justice for George Floyd.

  20. I did come across an interesting quote:

    And while no one condones looting, on the other hand, one can understand the the pent-up feelings that may result from decades of repression…

    Interestingly it was said by noted liberal communist and Antifa member Donald Rumsfeld.

  21. God help America. Truly awful.

    Not for a moment excusing the inexcusable violence and destruction, but I wonder if the riots are in any way driven by pent-up frustration after so many weeks in lockdown.

    The looting at any rate seems to have little to do with poverty or genuine need; in the videos you see tons of stuff and good food just thrown on the street after it was robbed from stores.
    If even the peaceful demonstrations, all demonstrations, are being exploited by these criminals, then they should all be called off immediately.

  22. The police department in NY is fine, but the civilian authority over it in the form of the present Mayor is feckless, pandering and incompetent.

  23. Patrick Van Roy, on June 3rd, 2020 at 3:18 AM Said:
    If you click on his name on twitter it tells you who he is. A Gay/Black/Veteran

    The fact that he is both gay and black means he has encountered genuine discrimination.

    This is Patrick on a virtue-signalling overdrive

  24. He’s also a Republican, which is probably the main reason why Patrick posted his video 🙂

  25. Colm – not really. Patrick likes to put up virtue-signalling posts. He is definitely a white, guilt-ridden virtue-signaller – as most are at ATW

  26. I think Patrick will laugh at the idea he is a white guilt-ridden virtue signaller. He’s been called many things on ATW but that’s a first !

  27. Colm – if Patrick could find a gay, black, muslim, lesbian, tranny Republican, he would find it and post accordingly.

  28. One good thing about Patrick is that he judges people by their behaviour (including voting behaviour 🙂 ); he seems to be completely free of racial prejudice.

  29. he seems to be completely free of racial prejudice.

    Which is exactly what annoys Allan 🙂

  30. Except of course he’s violently prejudiced regarding the race for the presidency. 🙂

  31. he seems to be completely free of racial prejudice.

    I’m sure that Patrick, as with the virtue-signallers at ATW, would soon acquire race-awareness when placed in certain positions 🙂

    https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1267260264992440320

    Matt Walsh
    @MattWalshBlog
    ·
    1 Jun
    We are seeing multiple videos of gangs of black people brutalizing white victims. Will any of these attackers by charged with hate crimes? Will they be charged with anything at all? Or is it open season on whitey? https://twitter.com/CryptoWick/status/1267222860965097473

    Patrick isn’t too far away from his ‘brothers’ so he should go out more often and visit them 😉

  32. https://twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1268124786326192133

    I stand with this woman and those who have suffered like her and not the Arch Bollocks of Canterbury

  33. Those Antifa better hope and pray that all those black folk don’t wake up and cotton on they are being used as useful idiots to create anarchy by them anarchist whites.

  34. Noel 1127

    I don’t think that any of the looting and rioting was caused by lockdown frustrations

    The criminal and political bad guys sensed a moment of opportunity and they ran with it.

    The anarchist / antifa are organized, And they didn’t start organizing in February.

    The common criminal element, which is not small, See that the police departments are on the back foot, And that they are stretched by dealing with the legitimate protesters etc.

    The looters could care less about Floyd. They care a great deal about $250 a pair Nikes.

  35. Phantom.

    As I said..

    Black Nike’s Matter.

  36. Last night was better than the two nights before across the United States

    In New York City last night the curfew went into affect at 8 PM, from 11 the night before. When it was was still light out. This allowed the police to better prepare.

    Uber was shut down overnight; the bad guys Had been taking Ubers To and from the looting and rioting..

  37. Harri,

    //Black Nike’s Matter.//

    All Nikes matter Harri, including the white ones.

  38. Mark Dice
    @MarkDice
    The Communists want every white person in America to do this.

    https://twitter.com/MarkDice/status/1267737942811791360

    Patrick – this would be you, getting on your knees

    But this is the Patrick-collectivity. Very sick, terminal even……

    https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1267983074173779968

  39. You would need to be a complete idiot to pay more than $200 for a pair of sneakers, but there are many who do it.

    Including the alleged poor.

    But in some cases now, the price has been marked down to free.

    Thank you, de Blasio and Cuomo.

  40. Phantom,

    You would need to be a complete idiot to pay more than $200 for a pair of sneakers, but there are many who do it.

    Tell us some of your spending habits Phantom, so we can decide if you’re a complete idiot or not. 😀

    Just because you don’t agree with people spending choices, doesn’t make them idiots.

  41. I am quite thrifty, Dave.

    I learned one lesson well growing up – Never buy something you can’t afford. And a second one – try never to buy on credit.

    A poor person who spends $200- $500 for a pair of sneakers will stay poor.

    A more than $200 pair of Nikes Cost the company a few dollars to make in Asia, And won’t give you any better foot support and how much less expensive pair.

  42. Than a less expensive pair

  43. Being armed stopped these looters in their tracks..

    Notice the two in ‘black-bloc’ at the front?

    There appears to be a child there too?

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1267365555125788672

  44. Phantom.

    I don’t disagree with you. I don’t do credit either.
    if you spend money you haven’t got on expensive trainers, that’s not a good idea.

    However your original statement, labelled everybody who spends that sort of money on trainers an idiot. As I pointed out people are entitled to spend their money on whatever they like and that does not make them an idiot. It’s their money.

  45. //people are entitled to spend their money on whatever they like and that does not make them an idiot. //

    Dave, I generally agree with Phantom here. People who are too easily manipulated into buying something for an exorbitant price when the product is no better in quality than a less expensive one are somewhere between dumb and idiot.
    People who are blinded by a label and pay a much higher price because that particular label is currently “cool” are also very foolish.

    And it isn’t just kids buying sneakers. It’s probably even more so with ladies and gentlemen paying ridiculous prices for some apparently prestigious fashion garment. I’ve done jobs for the fashion industry, and you can take my word for it that at least some of the marketing is based on the manufacturers’ assumption that their customers are dumb.

  46. Noel.

    So people who buy diamond rings and Porsche motorcars are dumb then?

  47. I think is fair to say that the women who were buying pink razors at twice the price of blue razors (and then complaining about sexism) were pretty stupid.

    If you are paying hundreds of pounds not for the shoe but for the logo on the shoe then it is absolutely your money and you should be free to do so. But I’ll still think you are a eejit for doing so.

  48. “So people who buy … Porsche motorcars are dumb then?”

    Yes. They also tend to be overcompensating for small penises as well.

  49. Bad spending and credit habits are a huge reason Why the poor stay poor, and why the middle class and well-off become poor.

    https://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Next-Door-Surprising-Americas/dp/1589795474

    The relatively rich guy in your community isn’t who you think he is. It’s not the guy with the big house, who buys a late model fancy car every couple of years

    It’s not the athlete who makes a couple of million a year, and who is bankrupt a few years after he retires

    It’s the guy who never bought a new car, who doesn’t dress slick, and whose only credit purchase was a mortgage to buy a house.( which appreciates )

    Follow a few simple rules, and most won’t stay poor for long. Buy $200 on a pair of $60 sneakers, I will bet that you’re throwing money away on everything else also.

    The above link to book is highly recommended, Including as a gift to a young person

  50. I know people who had very big salaries, and who wound up in severe financial trouble

    And I know a number of people on modest salaries who now have a house without a mortgage and no other loans as well

    Being prudent does not mean you can’t have nice things. You can buy a perfectly wonderful bottle of wine for $30 at the store, A perfectly drinkable one for $20.

  51. //So people who buy diamond rings and Porsche motorcars are dumb then?//

    If they can get a diamond ring or a car of the same quality in all senses for less money, they are dumb.

  52. Seamus

    If you are paying hundreds of pounds not for the shoe but for the logo on the shoe then it is absolutely your money and you should be free to do so. But I’ll still think you are a eejit for doing so.

    Your personal opinion is fine, but it’s not a fact.
    For instance, is everybody who buys a diamond ring for their partner an idiot? Because those things are massively overpriced? (and the whole wedding ring industry was started buy diamond merchants and jewellers to sell more diamonds.) Are people who spend millions of pounds on fine art idiots? Are people who live in huge country houses idiots? Are the royal family idiots? (Don’t answer that one.)

    Wheather you agree or disagree, people are perfectly entitled to spend their money on what they want. It’s their money. And just because you disagree with their purchases it doesn’t make them idiots.

  53. Rich people buying flashy expensive stuff isn’t really the same as ‘ordinary’ people allowing themselves to be duped into paying over the odds for ‘brands’ . Its about your willingness to be disproportionately financially affected in order to have something.

    The poor person who pays of a credit card debt for months on order to have a £200 pair of Nike trainers is a fool. The rich person who can easily buy a dozen pairs a week isn’t. However, if that rich guy goes above his limitations buying a 20 bedroomed mansion he doesnt need then he becomes a fool.

  54. People can buy whatever they want, but if you’re on welfare and are sporting a 200 dollar pair of shoes you should lose your welfare.

  55. Noel,

    If they can get a diamond ring or a car of the same quality in all senses for less money, they are dumb.

    All diamonds are overpriced Noel, (as is almost all jewellery), it’s also unnecessary and push down to the public through skillful advertising. So if you’ve ever bought a diamond ring them by your definition, you are dumb.

  56. Phantom

    Your sort of drifting away from my original point phantom, which is that calling all people who spend money on things you personally consider over priced dumb is wrong.

    I agree with you that it’s stupid to spend money you haven’t got on expensive things.

  57. “All diamonds are overpriced Noel”

    By definition all of something can’t be overpriced. If they are all ‘overpriced’ then that is the price. They aren’t overpriced, just expensive. If you can buy a diamond ring for £1,500 and you can also buy a similar one for £2,500 and you buy the £2,500 they you have overspent. But spending the £1,500 for it, even though it has little utility, is not overspending, because you will struggle to find a similar item for cheaper.

    On the other side of it however you can buy a perfectly good, useful pair of shoes for much, much cheaper than overpriced brands. Thus they are overpriced, rather than just expensive. If you pay for a pair of Nike trainers then you are overspending because you can get a pretty much identical item for much, much cheaper.

    “Your personal opinion is fine, but it’s not a fact.”

    So is stupidity in general, it isn’t an objective standard.

  58. I will generally think that anyone at any income level who pays $200 for sneakers is a complete moron.

    One of the more successful groups in America are the Asians here. If an Asian youth bought a pair of $200 sneakers, the father would take his head off.

    Success leaves clues, financial success too.

  59. Levis & Adidas are considered fashion brands and aren’t particularly expensive. Does the same standard apply those who buy them instead of buying clothes and footwear from army surplus shops?

    The guy who buys an Audi A8 over and Audi A4?

    The guy who chooses a Merc over A Volkswagen?

    I’m not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing I’m just wondering what the objective criteria is.

  60. Seamus.

    What you just posted is contradictory nonsense mate.

    By your own definition, claiming diamonds cant be overpriced is wrong.
    just because, thanks to price fixing, you can’t get diamonds cheaper does not mean they on not overpriced. Profit margins on diamonds are far higher than the margin on designer trainers. Therefore they are overpriced.

    Your pretty much identical argument is also incorrect. Cheap trainers are not Nike trainers, therefore you are not getting an identical item.
    In the same way buying much cheaper, but perfect copy on a van Gogh painting is not getting the same item for less money.

  61. Phantom,

    I will generally think that anyone at any income level who pays $200 for sneakers is a complete moron.

    We’ve obviously got a different point of view on that. I think people are perfectly entitled to spend their hard-earned money on whatever they want. even if it’s something I wouldn’t personally spend an amount of money on that doesn’t make them a Moron. It might make the person calling them a moron a judgmental prick though. 😀

  62. Nike sells a lot of sneakers for $400 or so.

    They’re not made better than the A$100 pair. They don’t last longer. They don’t support the arch better. They won’t make you any better at shooting hoops.

    Don’t believe me. Ask the guy who works in a shoe store. Who will be more than happy to sell you the $400 article.

    My highly unscientific analysis shows many expensive sneaker places in poor areas here ( South Bronx ) and very few in working class, upwardly mobile Asian areas.

    Again, financial success or failure leaves clues.

  63. It’s okay to pay up to €150 for an excellent pair of running shoes, IMHO. Anything above that is getting silly.

  64. Dave

    I understand Seamus’s point. Something isn’t overpriced if someone is willing to pay that price for it. It only really becomes overpriced if the owner can’t sell it.

  65. Phantom,

    They’re not made better than the A$100 pair. They don’t last longer. They don’t support the arch better. They won’t make you any better at shooting hoops.

    I totally agree but you’re missing the point.
    People buy expensive, overpriced things because they want them for whatever reason.
    Just because you don’t agree with their purchase choices doesn’t make them stupid.
    some people like fine art some people like expensive cars some people like expensive restaurants to name but a few. Is everybody who spends more money than they have to stupid?

  66. So a person is never a fool for buying anything that he can afford?

    A guy with $500 in the bank who buys a $400 pair of sneakers is just as smart as the guy who buys a pair of $100 sneakers.

    Well all righty then.

  67. Rich people can do what they like.

    Poor or working class or middle class people who throw money away will pay a price for doing that. It is a real thing in America where many middle class live paycheck to paycheck.

    Do what you want, its a free country.

  68. Colm,

    I understand Seamus’s point. Something isn’t overpriced if someone is willing to pay that price for it. It only really becomes overpriced if the owner can’t sell it.

    You apparently didn’t understand Seamus’s point Colm because he claimed Nike trainers are overpriced, but people are willing to pay that price for them.

  69. So if I can sell a rock that I found on the road to Bill Gates for $1 billion, then it wasn’t overpriced.

    Sure.

  70. I’m a sucker for nice clothes, and I will pay a premium for authentic clothing not made in China. For instance, I have a beautiful Donegal jacket, had woven and made in Donegal. President Higgins wears the same jacket! It cost a pretty penny though. But when wearing it, I feel like a million bucks, and it will last a life time. That’s value.

  71. Dave, Paul,

    the point is that paying excessively just because something has a particular label on it, when an item identical in quality, performance and design can be had for a much lower price is dumb.
    It has absolutely nothing to do with buying diamond rings. Although if you spend 1000 quid on a diamond ring while knowing you can get the same thing somewhere else for half that price, then, yes, you are dumb (or else in one mighty hurry, maybe to get engaged before she has a chance to change her mind.)

    Dave, the van Gogh painting is a good point. But works of art like that are usually bought either by speculators or by galleries/museums with a view to attracting more visitors, and visitors will not pay entrance to view a copy.
    Also, the age of something is a major factor. I would much prefer to have an ancient Roman coin than an identical one made in Korea.

    Speaking of ancient coins. There used to be a museum of money at the top floor of one of the World Trade Towers, the one you were allowed go to the roof. One exhibit was these fantastic Sumerian gold bars with the rulers stamp at one end, which were the first money ever made. I often wonder what happened to such priceless objects.

  72. Then I stand corrected and I make my own point – which is the Pete Moore free market point – that if its a voluntary transaction freely entered into then the item isn’t overpriced. If Nike can persuade people to pay £500, £1,000, or £10,000 for a particular brand of their trainers then they aren’t overpriced. If Nike had a legal monopoly on selling footwear and customers had no choice but to purchase Nike trainers only then would they be overpriced.

  73. Phantom,

    So a person is never a fool for buying anything that he can afford?

    A guy with $500 in the bank who buys a $400 pair of sneakers is just as smart as the guy who buys a pair of $100 sneakers.

    Well all righty then.

    As I’ve already said multiple times Phantom, if a person can afford to buy something they consider special, and it doesn’t place them in financial hardship, than that does not make them a fool.
    I agree being careful with money and having savings is an admirable trait, and one that I live by myself. But if a person really likes Nike trainers and as always wanted to pay them they’re not foolish for buying them and treating themselves.
    In the same way as a person who wanted to own and drive an top of the range BMW is not a fool for spending extra money on a more expensive motor vehicle.

  74. Maybe not overpriced from a Ron Paul angels dancing on a pin perspective, but yes they found a sucker to pay for it, so good for them for exploiting the mark.

  75. Phantom

    Correct – it isn’t overpriced, because you didn’t need to reduce the price to make the sale you wanted. If, however Bill Gates is willing to offer you $1 billion for the rock and you tell him that is too much and you take $10 off him for it, that makes you the fool 🙂

  76. BTW – I love the fact that this thread has effectively gone completely off topic but on to an interesting and enjoyable new discussion.

  77. The point is that paying excessively just because something has a particular label on it, when an item identical in quality, performance and design can be had for a much lower price is dumb

    I know, that’s why I ask is it dumb for someone to spend €80 on a pair of Levi jeans or €60 on a pair of Adidas trainers when they can get a pair of X leans for €40 or X trainers for €30?

    It’ll be interesting to see how this theory goes now with the animosity against China.

  78. “Nail two pieces of wood together that have never been nailed together before, some schmuck will buy it”

    PT Barnum.

  79. Being wise isn’t just avoiding immediate financial hardship.

    One pair of sneakers won’t bankrupt too many people.

    But if you make unwise purchases on a regular basis, you have a greatly higher chance of being poor, along with your family. You will systematically accumulate less wealth.

    It’s not being mean to point out the obvious.

    We do not agree.

  80. Phantom,

    So if I can sell a rock that I found on the road to Bill Gates for $1 billion, then it wasn’t overpriced.

    Sure.

    Of course that would be over priced phantom. I never said it wasn’t.
    I think you’re just arguing with yourself now mate.

  81. Im the one saying it’s not overpriced Dave. Phantom was aiming his comment at me I believe.

  82. phantom

    Being wise isn’t just avoiding immediate financial hardship.

    It’s not being mean to point out the obvious.

    We do not agree.

    I don’t know why you keep making the same point again and again phantom about people spending money they haven’t got and getting into financial hardship. I have agreed with you multiple times that is unwise.

    Your original point was the people are stupid regardless of financial circumstance if they spend this amount of money on a pair of trainers.

    My response is,that people you’re not in financial difficulty, and can manage the money perfectly well, are not stupid for spending their hard-earned cash on what they like. That’s not difficult to understand.

  83. Colm,

    BTW – I love the fact that this thread has effectively gone completely off topic but on to an interesting and enjoyable new discussion.

    It is a good one but I’ve got to get back to work.
    And I can’t find my f****** expensive tape measure.

  84. Patrick

    “Nail two pieces of wood together that have never been nailed together before, some schmuck will buy it”

    Patrick I’ve just nailed a piece of idigbo and iroko together. Interested?

  85. Buying something just for the label may also be rational if you want to achieve something with it, e.g. impress a potential employer or customer or school mates or to get someone (foolish) into bed.

    But buying something expensive just because the brand is supposed to be cooler is dumb.

  86. Colm,

    Im the one saying it’s not overpriced Dave. Phantom was aiming his comment at me I believe.

    Yes sorry I missed your post to Phantom.

  87. For instance, I have a beautiful Donegal jacket, had woven and made in Donegal.

    That sounds like you’ve paid for quality, certainly nothing wrong with that. And if you feel good in it, even better. Life is to be enjoyed, nothing wrong with buying ourselves something nice from time to time.

    On the subject of paying hundreds/thousands for artwork, this can be a very rational decision, especially if you’re reselling!

  88. Buy what you want.

    You are a long time dead.

    You owe the bank £1000 it’s your problem

    You owe the bank £100,000 it’s their problem

    There are shops in heaven, and no pockets in shrouds.

  89. *no shops in heaven

  90. I can’t say I owe anything that I would describe as a luxury item, but I have to get quality footwear due to issues with my feet and ankles, and I own a hand-made, Japanese, top quality acoustic guitar that has lasted twenty years and will last another twenty once I continue to take good care of it.

  91. Noel,

    Buying something just for the label may also be rational if you want to achieve something with it, e.g. impress a potential employer or customer or school mates or to get someone (foolish) into bed.

    So it’s not dumb to buy expensive trainers if they impress someone or get a girl you fancy into bed. Just dumb if you buy them because you like them. Glad we cleared that up then.

  92. Petr.

    Fair play to you mate I’m sure that guitar gives you a lot of pleasure.
    I don’t buy expensive trainers but I do buy expensive shoes. Rockport ones. They’re incredibly comfortable, waterproof, last for years and years and look good.

  93. I’m a proud cheapskate. I buy cheap food, wine and even (mostly) clothes. I don’t even buy expensive tech. My only indulgence really is that I buy a lot of books, more than I can read. I have books I bought 10 years ago I haven’t got around to reading yet.

  94. Expensive Rockport shoes?

    Never heard of such a thing.

    They do make good shoes, though.

  95. People are looking at this in purely utilitarian terms. People buy things because it makes them feel good, because of the short term dopamine release, because it makes them look good when they wear it and X amount of other reasons that aren’t always logical.

    Ever seen a Gretsch guitar? They’re expensive and IMO there are cheaper guitars that sound better but people buy them because they are aesthetically unmatched in beauty.

  96. Phantom

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rockport-Mens-Umbwe-Chukka-Black/dp/B07J4QRS4G/ref=sr_1_9

    I also pay good money for walking boots.

  97. Don’t misunderestimate my comments, like our friend GW might say

    I am very much in favor of buying quality products, which are often cheaper in the long run even if they cost more.

    Mephisto makes good quality shoes also, more comfortable than many others, and last a long time.

    And if you’re OK with buying shoes on line Mephisto can be reasonable on Ebay.

  98. Ever seen a Gretsch guitar? They’re expensive and IMO there are cheaper guitars that sound better but people buy them because they are aesthetically unmatched in beauty.

    I’m not familiar Paul, but a fine looking guitar, violin, or cello, is a wonderful thing.

  99. Phantom — I bought walking boots in NYC maybe 10 years ago and they are still going strong! They were value for money — I’d have paid far more for the same pair in Ireland.

  100. I’ve worn boots my entire life, more often that not Docs, but I had a pair of these and they were the most comfortable, rugged walking boots I ever had:

    https://www.catfootwear.com/US/en/salvo-8-inch-waterproof-steel-toe-thinsulate-work-boot/15958M.html

  101. I’m not familiar Paul, but a fine looking guitar, violin, or cello, is a wonderful thing.

    Here you are Petr:

    http://www.vintageandrare.com/uploads/products/17006/127018/original.jpg

  102. The US is generally still way cheaper than Europe for clothes or electronics.

    One reason why many European visitors arrive here with an extra empty suitcase, to be filled at our stores.

    You guys are half the customers in normal times at Century 21 or Macys in NYC.

  103. //One reason why many European visitors arrive here with an extra empty suitcase, to be filled at our stores.//

    The range of goods and the great service you get in NYC are also part of it.

  104. With a cheap fare and hotel, a European who wants to buy a lot of stuff in NYC can travel for free at the end of the day.

    And many do.

  105. If there is sudden huge surge in BAME contracting Covid-19 and dying in droves. Particularly in London.

    Would it still be the government’s fault?

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11773708/protest-black-lives-matter-hyde-park-george-floyd/

  106. Harri,

    If there is sudden huge surge in BAME contracting Covid-19 and dying in droves. Particularly in London.

    Would it still be the government’s fault?

    That’s a tough one Harri. Ask me one on science.

  107. Ok give me the scientific formulae for a stable nonfluctuating atmosphere.

    How many parts per million per chemical element.

  108. Us foreigners are fairly unfamiliar with the term BAME, had to look it up again

    The protests have involved all groups pretty much. If they’ve succeeded in passing the virus around with their social near-nessing, it will hit every part of society.

    Thank the protesters very much for that. Very progressive of them.

  109. Well one thing is for sure Phantom in two weeks there are going to be shitload of cases or a shitload of excuses.

    Either way we now have a full blown exposure. Everywhere there has been a protest/riot 1000s have been exposed. Now we shall see…..

  110. Yes, but the protesters are a tiny percentage of the overall population

    And some of them wore masks. For protection against spreading the virus, protection against being identified, protecting against something.

  111. They are all multipliers.

    They are an x factor in a new equation. How many were contaminated, how many went home and contaminated someone else who contaminated 2 others….. etc etc etc.

    Some wore masks, none wore gloves, none social distanced. Every place where the riots were big we could see an explosion like NYC had. Density and close contact is what overwhelmed NYC.

    These people packed themselves in streets as tight as people in the subway.

  112. Correct.

    If a few were hot, it will not be good.

  113. Patrick

    give me the scientific formulae for a stable nonfluctuating atmosphere.

    How many parts per million per chemical element.

    I’m not sure what you mean by a non-fluctuating atmosphere Patrick.
    For an atmosphere not to react at all, you would need a planet that had an atmosphere, but didn’t experience any sunshine. Which would probably be a dead planet.

    A planets proximity to its sun or suns, the type of those sun or suns, the composition of the planets atmosphere, (how much, and what type of elements it contains), the size of the planet, the tilt of a planet, the speed of the planets rotation, the amount of water, (if any), or other elements present on the planet surface, (such as ammonia, if any), are just some of the contributory factors involved in planet temperature and atmospheric conditions.

  114. Well according to climate cultists you can balance out the atmosphere to end or control climate change. To do so there has to be a formulae for a nonfluctuating atmosphere to work from.

    It’s this thing Dave it’s called a “Baseline” We’re going to freeze with this set of variables, we’re going to roast with this set of variables. All have to have a Baseline to start from.

    That Baseline is an exact mix of atmospheric gasses, chemicals, and particulates that will interact with the solar radiation and the temperatures will not fluctuate except through the change of the solar radiation applied to it.

    What’s that Formulae ?

  115. Patrick.

    //That Baseline is an exact mix of atmospheric gasses, chemicals, and particulates that will interact with the solar radiation and the temperatures will not fluctuate except through the change of the solar radiation applied to it.

    What’s that Formulae ?//

    I have no idea Patrick. And that sounds unnecessarily complex to me.

    What I do know, thanks to demonstrable and provable science, is the more greenhouse gases an atmosphere contains, the warmer a planet will be. That’s pretty simple to understand.

  116. Not so Dave – the ecosphere is a system with several feedback loops all affecting each other. If greenhouse gases go up, and surface temperature is on a tendancy to rise, the increase in convective heat removal would circulate hotter air upwards for outward radiation, thus maintaining the range if temperature. Thus is so, or we wouldn’t be here