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I NO LONGER CARE WHAT THE RULES ARE

By Pete Moore On June 4th, 2020

Yesterday the government has imposed a mandatory 14-day quarantine on all arrivals into the UK – but not until the 8th June.

Today the government imposed a mandatory requirement on all public transport passengers to wear a face mask – but not until 15th June.

I’ve suspected for a while that the government’s advisors and the bureaucracy decided to use the Wuhan Flu to show up the government as inept, always half cocked and late to the party. What is the point of quarantining from next week, four months after such things should have been done, to travelers mostly arriving from countries with much lower infection rates?

A week in Benidorm means a fortnight’s quarantine on arrival, a week on the beach and another fortnight’s quarantine back home. Goodbye all holidays and the travel industry. The eggheads have always insisted that there is no evidence that face masks help reduce transmission. Now, for some reason, they must be worn on public transport. No such requirements exist for any other environments.

I’m beyond caring now. Either go for herd immunity and good luck to you, or have a proper lockdown, including airports, from the start and keep the thing out. But somehow we’ve achieved an economic lockdown which has smashed Our Economy and a half-social lockdown which has kept infections high. This is the thing: whatever you do, commit to it. Whatever you’ll end up doing anyway, start doing immediately. This government has done everything, but late and haphazardly. The result is a petri-dish headed into depression while everyone else is getting back on their feet.

64 Responses to “I NO LONGER CARE WHAT THE RULES ARE”

  1. Me neither…

    The pointless protests all over the world make any vaccine irrelevant. In the coming weeks we will know whether the virus is a serious danger or whether it’s all been overblown hype. There are mass gatherings, everywhere, of those who are most likely to be killed by it. If they start dropping like flies then it’s too late for a vaccine. If they don’t then there’s no need for one. The vaccine story is dead in the water.

    We can also forget the whole ‘track and trace’ thing. Mass protests make it impossible. How the hell is anyone going to figure out who they came in contact with in all those mass protests? Track and trace is dead in the water.

    We now have rules that state you cannot meet your partner indoors if you don’t live together and cannot have sex with anyone who lives outside your home. I wouldn’t do that anyway, she’d kill me. So there are likely to be a few six fingered banjo players in the future. And yet you can go on a rampage and loot a store called Target (not the best choice of name) and that’s all fine and dandy.

    People have not been able to be with dying family members in their last moments, nor attend funerals. Couples have been separated for months. These restrictions still apply and yet mass demonstrations, vandalism and violence are allowed. It’s almost as if it’s a deliberate design to provoke uncontrollable fury.

    Against who? Let’s not dwell on it. Let’s have an imaginary scenario instead.

    ___

    Pure fiction follows. I just made it up.

    An experimental bioweapon escapes a lab in China. The Chinese government try to hush it up at first but then realise they can make use of it. So they stop travel between the infected region and the rest of China, but not between the region and the rest of the world. Let it spread awhile.

    Their pet WHO plays it down at first, but then the game ramps up. Videos of Chinese people being sealed into their homes. Videos of people just dropping dead in the street. Huge hospitals built in days. Reports of mass cremations.

    The West is, naturally, scared shitless and starts getting ready. Huge hospitals built and never used. Nobody dying in the streets. Absolute lockdowns that have made no detectable difference. Economies destroyed. Everyone out clapping like performing seals, wearing pointless masks and now kneeling like trained dogs. Everyone scared of everyone else.

    Neighbours snitching like East German Stasi. Police arresting people for sitting on a bench. Supermarkets using customers as chess pieces on the Board of Shame. The virus is dying, it can’t spread. The Plague has failed.

    And then, suddenly… mass protests and violence. Over one bad cop in America, one bad cop with a history of being a right arse and getting away with it. No other country can do anything about this and the cop has already been arrested and charged anyway.

    It’s not an isolated nor unusual incident. Police violence has been the norm in many countries, including European ones, for a long time. Ask the Gilet Jaunes (who do not loot) in France. Or the protestors (who have never looted anything) in Hong Kong. It is not, and has never been, the norm in the UK. Police stupidity is rife but violence isn’t.

    So, you have a bioweapon, released accidentally but you want to make use of it anyway. What do you do?

    Stage massive precautions and terror in your own country for the press. Let the rest of the world destroy their livelihoods by following suit. Let them live in terror.

    Ah, but the Plague is failing. It’s not spreading any more. What to do?

    Pick an incident, any racial incident, and blow it into International Outrage. That will get your targets to mass together and spread the plague once more.

    The target? Consider. China has been extremely unpleasant to Muslims. They round them up and put them in camps and ship them around as slave labour. They have also been exceptionally nasty to black people. The virus hits BAME people a lot harder than anyone else. White people are hit less hard but are more likely to be spreaders. The demonstrations are mostly BAME people and their lefty white servants. I’m sure it must be all a coincidence.

    By the end of this month we will know one of two things.

    Either the virus is deadly, especially to non-whites and they’re all wiped out or…

    The virus is all hype and the government’s lockdown and restrictions were all pointless bollocks.

    Either way, vaccines and track and trace are pointless now. Lockdown is pointless now. Either way, the governments of the West do not come out looking good.

    Either way, China wins this.

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/

  2. This is the thing: whatever you do, commit to it. Whatever you’ll end up doing anyway, start doing immediately.

    Completely agree with this.

  3. Ah, Harri. Still touchingly devoted to your ovine gut microbiome expert, I see. He has the odd nice turn of phrase. Just a shame that he is a conspiracy theorist, consistently wrong on the science, and, by the sound of it, not a very nice man.

    As to Pete’s post: I can’t disagree with a word of it. There was a brief period, albeit late in the day, when the government looked as if it was actually doing the right thing and following the scientific advice. But now we’re the laughing stock of Europe.

    By the way, those who pointed at Sweden and suggested that their more relaxed approach was the right one were emphatically wrong. Sweden now has an unenviable record: the highest per-capita rate of infection in the world. In terms of deaths per million of population it’s doing worse than any of its neighbours. It seems that lockdown works.

  4. Harri,

    “https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/”

    Yawn. Zzzzz.

    Precisely.

  5. “I NO LONGER CARE WHAT THE RULES ARE”

    I actually broadly agree with everything you’ve said in the post Pete. However can I ask at what stage you actually did care what the rules were?

  6. Spooky.

    I just knew the moment I posted from legion..up would pop Masterson..
    That’s the only reason I posted it.

    Well done policeman Masterson

    Gold star for you.

    😀

  7. Seamus

    Pete cared about the rules when he agreed with the government that Dominic Cummings hadn’t broken them 🙂

  8. Masterson.

    By the way, you are getting slower, it took you six minutes this time..

    😉

  9. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jun/04/nhs-track-and-trace-system-not-expected-to-be-operating-fully-until-september-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw

    The NHS coronavirus test-and-trace system designed to prevent a second deadly wave is not expected to work at full speed until September or October, the Guardian has learned.

    I’m shocked that an NHS IT system is taking so long to develop.

    At this rate we’ll have tin cans on string, ready for the fifth wave.

  10. The NHS coronavirus test-and-trace system designed to prevent a second deadly wave is not expected to work at full speed until September or October, the Guardian has learned.

    Ah yes – the dreaded ‘second wave’ 🙂

    As was known from the outset of this hoax, the Corona virus was no worse than flu and even Fauci wrote in a paper. But people are duped easily and panicked just as easily so refusal to admit being duped is common to the herd. Nobody wants to admit to being duped and so the members of the herd, as shown at ATW, double down on their dupidity. There is no killer virus

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8381847/Now-know-coronavirus-not-random-killer-one-size-fits-lockdown-come-end.html

    Thanks to definitive figures released yesterday by Public Health England, we know that Covid-19 is not a random killer, but one that targets specific groups – namely the old and those with pre-existing conditions such as diabetes or dementia.

    The statistics are astounding: those aged over 80 are fully 70 times more likely to die of the disease than those under 40, while being morbidly obese increases your risk of dying by two and a half times. And fortunately the death rate among children is very low.

    and here’s the purpose of the hoax…..

    And when it is all over, we must do our best not to emerge into a ‘New Normal’ – in that dismal cliched phrase that suggests a dull, constrained future – but an ‘Old Normal’, as we seize back our former lives.

    Unfortunately, Karel Sikora is just a minor medic in a minor job with a minor CV…..

    Professor Karol Sikora is consultant oncologist and professor of medicine, University of Buckingham Medical School.

    HA HA HA HA HA 🙂

  11. There was a brief period, albeit late in the day, when the government looked as if it was actually doing the right thing and following the scientific advice.

    And here’s the ‘scientific advice’ that masterson cites…….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/02/prof-lockdown-neil-ferguson-admits-sweden-used-science-uk-has/

    The scientist behind lockdown in the UK has admitted that Sweden has achieved roughly the same suppression of coronavirus without draconian restrictions.

    Neil Ferguson, who became known as “professor lockdown” after convincing Boris Johnson to radically curtail everyday freedoms, acknowledged that, despite relying on “quite similar science”, the Swedish authorities had “got a long way to the same effect” without a full lockdown.

    Absolute utter shit masquerading as ‘science’, and I showed how easily science is being faked.

    Anyway, I’ll put myself out on a limb here and state that George Floyd actually died of Corona-virus. After all, if heart transplantees, guys who fall off ladders, suicides etc are COV-victims, then why not a dude who is now the reason for busting the social-distancing rule? We need racial-distancing!!

  12. Ultimately, and very soon, the purpose of ‘new normal’ shall include the vaccine passport, whereby one has restrictions imposed on liberties relating to how many vaccines have been taken. It’s very bad indeed as the vaccines are seriously contaminated:

    https://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/new-quality-control-investigations-on-vaccines-micro–and-nanocontamination.html

    International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination eISSN: 2470-9980
    New Quality-Control Investigations on Vaccines: Micro- and Nanocontamination
    Antonietta M Gatti,1,2 Stefano Montanari3

    1National Council of Research of Italy, Institute for the Science and Technology of Ceramics, Italy
    2International Clean Water Institute, USA
    3Nanodiagnostics srl, Italy

    Abstract

    Vaccines are being under investigation for the possible side effects they can cause. In order to supply new information, an electron-microscopy investigation method was applied to the study of vaccines, aimed at verifying the presence of solid contaminants by means of an Environmental Scanning Electron Microscope equipped with an X-ray microprobe. The results of this new investigation show the presence of micro- and nanosized particulate matter composed of inorganic elements in vaccines’ samples which is not declared among the components and whose unduly presence is, for the time being, inexplicable. A considerable part of those particulate contaminants have already been verified in other matrices and reported in literature as non biodegradable and non biocompatible. The evidence collected is suggestive of some hypotheses correlated to diseases that are mentioned and briefly discussed.

    Introduction

    Vaccines are one of the most notable inventions meant to protect people from infectious diseases. The practice of variolation is century-old and is mentioned in Chinese and Indian documents dated around 1000 A.D. Over time, variolation has been replaced by vaccination, vaccines have been enhanced as to technology, and the vaccination practice is now standardized worldwide.

    Side effects have always been reported but in the latest years it seems that they have increased in number and seriousness, particularly in children as the American Academy of pediatrics reports [1,2]. For instance, the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTaP) vaccine was linked to cases of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) [3]; measles-mumps-rubella vaccine with autism [4,5]; multiple immunizations with immune disorders [6]; hepatitis B vaccines with multiple sclerosis, etc.

    The notice of Tripedia DTaP by Sanofi Pasteur reports “Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathia, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea”. The epidemiological studies carried out did not show a clear evidence of those associations, even if in 2011 the National Academy of Medicine (formerly, IOM) admitted: “Vaccines are not free from side effects, or adverse effects”[7].

    Masterson replies

    Utter shite – these are just minor people for a minor publication. Besides, those affected don’t matter anyway – they’re just nobodies

  13. Masterson replies
    Utter shite – these are just minor people for a minor publication. Besides, those affected don’t matter anyway – they’re just nobodies

    Masterson hasn’t even got the balls of his own “scientific “ convictions, to take head on an..

    “ovine gut microbiome expert, I see. He has the odd nice turn of phrase. Just a shame that he is a conspiracy theorist, consistently wrong on the science, and, by the sound of it, not a very nice man.”

    Masterson,

    Masterson, why not join in the discussions on Legirons website, and tell him just how wrong he is?

    I will check into the comments section to see how you get on.

    I’m looking forward to this.

  14. Masterson.

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/2020/06/04/waiting-for-king-charles/

    That usually gets a very fast response.

  15. Harri – see if the bait works. It’s a troll, without doubt

  16. So someone who disagrees with your opinion is a ‘troll’?

  17. Allan@

    See above..

    It worked a treat last time.

    These Trolls are literally unemployable.

  18. Talking of Trolls?

    😉

  19. I mostly agree with Pete’s post.
    The ‘eggheads’ however mostly agreed that face masks would reduce the spread of the virus.

  20. Dave.

    Of course.

    It’s part of the “new normal”

    I must say, discussing about conspiracy theories, they came up with particular slogan a bit on the sharp side?

    It almost as if it was premeditated?

  21. I think it has less to do with conspiracy, and more to do with government incompetence Harri.

  22. Dave.

    Then just about all governments must simply be incompetent mate.

    They all appear to be using the exact same term, at the exact same time.

    It’s as if it was premeditated?

  23. Let’s try Masterson again..

    Harri, on June 5th, 2020 at 11:40 AM Said:
    Masterson.

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/2020/06/04/waiting-for-king-charles/
    That usually gets a very fast response.

  24. Oh dear Harri, proved wrong again 🙂

  25. Colm.

    Where?

    Masterson, has already proved my 7.33 and 7.35 absolutely correct.

    You should know this, you also posted at 7.35.

    Colm.

    My very own little Troll.

    It’s quite cute actually.

    I’m flattered.

    😁

  26. Pete – if you’re around, the matter below needs developing, and you’re the guy here who would do it

    Colm, on June 5th, 2020 at 11:49 AM Said:

    So someone who disagrees with your opinion is a ‘troll’?

    Colm – It’s not someone who disagrees: it’s someone who is entirely wrong in the most disagreeable manner. Now read this:

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-major-covid-19-paper-that-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/

    The Lancet, one of the world’s top medical journals, on Thursday retracted an influential study that raised alarms about the safety of the experimental Covid-19 treatments chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine amid scrutiny of the data underlying the paper.

    Just over an hour later, the New England Journal of Medicine retracted a separate study, focused on blood pressure medications in Covid-19, that relied on data from the same company.

    The retractions came at the request of the authors of the studies, published last month, who were not directly involved with the data collection and sources, the journals said.

    “We can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources,” Mandeep Mehra of Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Frank Ruschitzka of University Hospital Zurich, and Amit Patel of University of Utah said in a statement issued by the Lancet. “Due to this unfortunate development, the authors request that the paper be retracted.”

    The retraction of the Lancet paper is sure to add fuel to contentious arguments about the potential of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, two old malaria drugs, in Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. President Trump has touted them as valuable treatments, despite a lack of rigorous data showing they have a benefit.

    A couple of weeks ago, President Trump mentioned that he takes hydroxychloroquine as a preventative for Covid-19, and was immediately assailed by ATW’s collective idiocy (the individuals know who they are). It’s all here

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=83180#comments

    Now ‘masterson’ has a fan-club at ATW, and ‘masterson’ peddles lies and falsehoods for the stupid. The correlation between stupidity and admiration for masterson is as good as science allows, and is of similar accuracy to that of slut-inclinations and tattoos. Yes – more tattoos correlates with sluttery

    On the other hand, I watched a discussion involving Dolores Cahill, and she states that there are data showing anti-viral properties shown for hydroxychloroquine

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/Avc6_ftzk3w/

    and she stated that hydroxychloroquine does have anti-viral properties

    on the wider aspects of credibility of ‘reputable’ publications, this is addressed in the ATW thread linked above

    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736%2815%2960696-1.pdf

    Dr. Marcia Angell, a physician and longtime Editor in Chief of the New England Medical Journal (NEMJ), which is considered to another one of the most prestigious peer-reviewed medical journals in the world, makes her view of the subject quite plain:

    “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine”

    One can only conclude that the great majority of ATW’s participants are thick as shit

  27. Professor Cahill / Background

    Professor Dolores Cahill has degree is in molecular genetics and her PhD is in immunology where she was using antibodies and making libraries to try and improve the outcomes in cancer. She also spent eight years in the Max Planck Institute for Molecular Genetics in Berlin, where she led a group and developed technology that could look the specificity of antibodies and different diagnostic assays to diagnose autoimmune diseases. And, for example, with virus patients look at whether they were exposed to a virus or not.

    Her team back in the 90s looked at published antibodies and found that a lot of what was published was not necessarily correct. They were involved in correcting a lot of published research. Her research was quite disruptive at the time, and she quickly got awards from the German Minister for science and then was on the German Advisory Science Council, advising funding agencies the BAE and AF and still does 20 years later, and on the Advisory Science Council here for the Strategy for Science Technology and Innovation (Ireland).

    She was nominated to represent Ireland on the Scientific Committee for the Innovative Medicines Initiative in the European Union and since 2016 became vice chair. She was also involved in developing the meningitis B vaccine for Africa. She also worked in a class 4 bio lab. She has been working with a doctor who is advising the White House particularly on protocols for prevention and treatment such as hydroxychloroquine.

    And ‘masterson’ is what – a blogospheric troll

    HA HA HA HA

  28. Colm, on June 5th, 2020 at 11:49 AM Said:
    So someone who disagrees with your opinion is a ‘troll’?

    Says the person who follows Harri around like a little puppy.

    😉

  29. Masterson, will no doubt be on this Website soon enough..

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/

    Arguing the toss on just how incorrect the author is, and scientifically why he is so wrong.

    Masterson.

    I am watching, and waiting with baited breath.

    Good luck.

    Colm, will always be available like a little puppy to back you up scientifically with his “opinion “

    😉

  30. One can only conclude that the great majority of ATW’s participants are thick as shit

    Colm.

    I think he means you?

    It’s just my opinion mind, I’m sure you have no problem with that?
    😉

  31. http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=83225#comments

    Here’s Professor Dolores Cahill

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ti6isM-NY

    Masks are discussed at 3.40 (no need for masks nor social-distancing); 8.00 (“it’s flu”); hydroxychloroquine is mentioned at 8.24 (Trump’s correct): 8.45 – politicians and scientists should be held legally accountable for deaths caused by the lockdown

    Prof. Dolores J. Cahill, Professor of Translational Science at UCD School of Medicine, University College Dublin
    Prof. Dr Dolores Cahill has over 25 years expertise in high-throughput protein array, antibody array, proteomics technology development,automation and their biomedical applications, including in biomarker discovery, diagnostics and personalised medicine. She is Professor of Translational Science, School of Medicine and at the Conway Institute at the University College Dublin (UCD) (2005-present). With her research group & collaborators, she has achieved key breakthroughs in developing and demonstrating applications of high throughput array technology in biological, diagnostics & medical research. Prof. Cahill pioneered this research at the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics in Berlin, Germany (1996-2003) and holds several granted international patents in this vital field. Some of her activities include:
    In 1996, she co-founded Protagen AG (https://protagen.com/) in Dortmund, including with Prof. Helmut Meyer, as a spin-out of the Max-Planck-Institute to commercialise her discoveries. Protagen Protein Services (https://protagenproteinservices.com/) a 2014 spin-off company of Protagen delivers expert protein, antibody, proteomics & peptide contract services to the pharmaceutical industry & health care sectors. Both companies have advanced these technologies & applications; Protagen has screened and profiled the autoantibody repertoire of over 20,000 patients (https://protagen.com/data-and-insight…). Protagen AG and Protagen Protein Services have over 200 employees in 2018. Since 2016, Prof. Cahill is a shareholder & Advisory Board member of Atturos Ltd, Prof. Stephen Pennington’s UCD spin-out company nvolved in improved Prostate Cancer diagnosis (http://atturos.com/ and http://atturos.com/company/advisors/).
    She received her Honours degree in Molecular Genetics from Trinity College Dublin (1989) and her PhD in Immunology from Dublin City University (1994). While studying in Trinity, she was awarded the Irish American Fellowship Prize (1988) to research at Prof. Pringle’s laboratory in the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, USA. During her undergraduate & PhD studies, she worked, including as Assistant Manager, in fine-dining Country Clubs in Long Island, New York (4 summers) & in Tenafly, New Jersey (4 summers). On obtaining her PhD, she obtained an EU ‘Human Capital & Mobility’ Post-doctoral Fellowship at the Technical University, Munich, Germany (1994-1995). Prof. Cahill became Group Leader of the Protein Technology Group in the Max-Planck-Institute of Molecular Genetics, Berlin (1996-2003). She obtained an Associate Professor position, in the Department of Clinical Pharmacology and Director of Proteomics Core, RCSI, Dublin (2000-2005). Since 2005 – present, she is Full Professor of Translational Science in the School of Medicine, University College Dublin and she has extensive management experience, including successfully obtaining funding from the European Commission (FP4, FP5, FP6, FP7 and Horizon 2020), Science Foundation Ireland, Enterprise Ireland, Health Research Board & successfully writing, project managing, publishing & reporting on all financial & regulatory aspects in academic & private sectors, in the companies she co-founded.
    She has over 100 peer reviewed publications, with over 5000 citations and a H-index is 31, which is in the top 10% globally for the Biomedicine discipline. Prof. Cahill is internationally recognised for her biomedical research, publications and patent record in life sciences, biotechnology, personalised healthcare, personalised medicine, diagnostics, biomarker discovery and validation, proteomics, biotechnology, high content protein and antibody arrays and their biomedical, diagnostic and clinical applications. Her publications have demonstrated utility and applications in the research, commercial & clinical sectors and include characterisation of antibodies specificity (including therapeutic antibodies), biomarker discovery, diagnostics, assay development, protein-interaction studies, proteomics, large scale/systems biology research, validating biomarker panels in diagnostic clinical trial, personalised medicine and assessing immune related adverse events.
    She has given over 100 Keynotes Lectures in Ireland, UK, Europe, USA, China, Japan, South Korea, Australia, South America. For example, she is invited to the ‘5th Precision Medicine and Biomarkers Leaders’ Summit’ in Munich in September 2018 & will Chair a Roundtable on Personalised Medicine and Adverse Events to discuss whether lessons can be learned from cancer immunotherapy and immune related adverse events to provide insight into understanding adverse events and personalised medicine and finding adverse event predictive biomarkers

    Phantom says – just another conspiracy theorist

    HA HA HA

    Phantom, on May 22nd, 2020 at 10:46 PM Said:

    Ah, Allan promoting quack meds just like his president.

    The Stupidity Index is off-the-scale at ATW. DV should be considering setting some filters to get rid of the bovine faction which, unfortunately and in line with the general public, is the great majority

  32. You’re such an expert on all the subjects, and you seen through the universal conspiracy at all times!

    Thanks, Allan!

  33. International Journal of Vaccines & Vaccination

    I do not propose to wade through all the posts of Allan and his idiotic mini-me Harri, debunking every single one of their fallacious claims, as I do not have time today, but it will perhaps suffice to say that the very first paper Allan linked is from a predatory journal that does not peer-review (contrary to what it claims), charges authors to submit their research, is not listed on PubMed (which includes any and all medical research of any note) and is so irrelevant to anything that it does not even have an impact factor. It is worth noting also that the professional affiliation of the lead author of this particular paper is to an institute devoted to the study of ceramics.

    The paper is garbage, and Allan’s grasp of the science is about as firm as his grip on reality, which is looking increasingly tenuous.

    Allan’s output today is so vile, antisemitic, racist and all the rest of it that this brief response is already more than this unpleasant troll deserves.

  34. Allan

    Thee respective merits of yours and Masteson’s arguments are not the issue. I just don’t like it when anyone here is accused of being a ‘troll’ or troublemaker, with the hint that they don’t belong on this blog. I always hate it when attempts are made to make anyone leave the site. Everyone of us here is entitled to express their opinions, to be right or wrong without being accused of not ‘belonging’ here.

  35. I do not propose to wade through all the posts of Allan and his idiotic mini-me Harri,

    But Masterson has probably read them anyway.

    😉

  36. Masterson.

    Read this one..

    Harri, on June 5th, 2020 at 9:16 AM Said:

    Masterson replies
    Utter shite – these are just minor people for a minor publication. Besides, those affected don’t matter anyway – they’re just nobodies
    Masterson hasn’t even got the balls of his own “scientific “ convictions, to take head on an..
    “ovine gut microbiome expert, I see. He has the odd nice turn of phrase. Just a shame that he is a conspiracy theorist, consistently wrong on the science, and, by the sound of it, not a very nice man.”
    Masterson,
    Masterson, why not join in the discussions on Legirons website, and tell him just how wrong he is?
    I will check into the comments section to see how you get on.
    I’m looking forward to this.

    Good luck.

    I will be keeping an eye out for you mate.

  37. I just don’t like it when anyone here is accused of being a ‘troll’ or troublemaker, with the hint that they don’t belong on this blog.

    Colm – we can all be wrong and we call each other out as being wrong, and we would all (well, I do) bring evidence in support of our respective cases but the entity ‘masterson’ is different. This ‘masterson’ lies routinely and egregiously and is doing so on this very thread which makes presentation of an example rather easy. The bigger problem is that masterson’s lies are believed simply because those who believe them are programmed to believe them in a Brave New World manner.

    Masterson writes:

    Allan’s output today is so vile, antisemitic, racist and all the rest of it that this brief response is already more than this unpleasant troll deserves.

    TODAY at 1.58pm I stated that The Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine have retracted a paper which purported to show that hydroxychloroquine has serious safety concerns as confirmed below

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext

    I also linked to a recent dispute between me and ‘masterson’, and here is the gist.

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=83180#comments

    I claimed that ‘science’ is easily falsifiable and I provided a link to one such source:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/

    Why Most Published Research Findings Are False

    John P. A. Ioannidis
    Author information Copyright and License information Disclaimer
    John P. A. Ioannidis is in the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine, Ioannina, Greece, and Institute for Clinical Research and Health Policy Studies, Department of Medicine, Tufts-New England Medical Center, Tufts University School of Medicine, Boston, Massachusetts, United States of America.

    Published research findings are sometimes refuted by subsequent evidence, with ensuing confusion and disappointment. Refutation and controversy is seen across the range of research designs, from clinical trials and traditional epidemiological studies [1–3] to the most modern molecular research [4,5]. There is increasing concern that in modern research, false findings may be the majority or even the vast majority of published research claims [6–8]. However, this should not be surprising. It can be proven that most claimed research findings are false

    ‘masterson’ claimed that…….

    a 15 year old article in a minor open source medical journal written by a minor academic at a Greek university of decidedly minor significance does not do much for your argument.

    You are a liar, a fraud, a conspiracy theorist and probably insane to boot. Just fuck off.

    ‘masterson’ lied, and added his usual kvetching.

    I provided further support for my assertion that ‘science’ is routinely falsified

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/editor-in-chief-of-worlds-best-known-medical-journal-half-of-all-the-literature-is-false/5451305

    In the past few years more professionals have come forward to share a truth that, for many people, proves difficult to swallow. One such authority is Dr. Richard Horton, the current editor-in-chief of the Lancet – considered to be one of the most well respected peer-reviewed medical journals in the world.

    “The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness.”

    and with……

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2964337/

    Journal editors have expended much time and effort in teasing out how to handle authors’ and reviewers’ competing interests. They need now to concentrate on their own and those of their employers, lest we reach the dismal scenario described by Marcia Angell: “it is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine” [12].

    And so, duly linked today and to conclude, The Lancet provides the ultimate confirmation of the assertion about falsified ‘science’.

    masterson wrote:

    I do not propose to wade through all the posts of Allan……

    Well, I’ll do it, and it will show that ‘masterson’ is a routine and egregious liar and such entities are not good things to have on any blogsite or discussion forum.

  38. I’ll just leave this here, from a few hours ago.

    the jews have calculated that the ‘silent majority’ is now a minority – enjoy the vaccines

    There is no need to engage with the demented Allan, since he continues to sabotage his own arguments by expressing such sentiments.

  39. Masterson – when you return, you’ll still be a routine and egregious liar

  40. Masterson, absolutely no doubt has now gone onto this site to explain to this microbiologist just how wrong he is.

    I will keep a sharp eye out to see how Masterson gets on..

    Masterson.

    Because you don’t read all the posts, just in case you missed it the first three times..

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/

    Good luck.

    I will keep a sharp eye out to see you’re deconstruction of the microbiologists views.

    Apparently, not only is LI a microbiologist, but according to you, not a very good one at that.

    It should be easy pickings for you.

    See you over at Leg Irons blog.

    Masterson.

    Could you please confirm you have actually read this one post?

    Much thanks.

  41. Masterson.

    Just to keep you updated.

    https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/

    I have just been on Leg Irons website.

    Where are you?

    It took you all of six minutes to snipe from the sidelines previously.

    It’s been many hours now.

    You are not usually this lax?

    You want to take on, in your own words (a poor microbiologist) yeah, good luck with that one mate.

    I will keep logged in, just to see how you get on.

    Good luck, and if you do well, which I seriously doubt, I will be the first in-line to doff my cap to you.

  42. Harri, do go away, I have more important things to do this evening.

    Just had a quick look at the comments there and your beloved Legiron has written this:

    I think David Icke would have done a lot better if he had dropped the whole lizard thing. Okay, maybe some people are actually lizards in disguise but there is nothing at all to support that so far. If he had kept quiet on the wilder stuff until he had actual proof, the rest of his work would not have been so easily dismissed. He has indeed predicted a lot of what is now happening, but as soon as he starts with the reptilian thing, people turn away.

    Please feel free to dabble in these murky internet backwaters yourself, but I have no desire to waste my life arguing with conspiracy nuts and weirdos.

  43. Harri, do go away, I have more important things to do this evening.

    Fair comment troll, and fellow Jew.

    How about tomorrow, or the day after?

    Masterson.

    You are on the hook, stop wriggling.

    You are not getting off it.

    Please, do let me know when you are in a position, and have the time to not snide from the sidelines, and take on a “poor microbiologist “

    I will stay logged in to check how you actually get on.

    Good luck.

    If LI is so incorrect about well, everything in your opinion, it should a doddle for you, a walk in the park in fact.

    Masterson, in fact I have so much confidence in your credentials, I doff my cap beforehand.

    Good luck.

    Why not go there now, and let LI know just how wrong he is about …well, everything?

    It takes all of five minutes to gain registration and log in.

  44. Masterson – as I showed above, you are a liar and you do it as a matter of routine. Why don’t YOU just go away?

  45. I think David Icke would have done a lot better if he had dropped the whole lizard thing. Okay, maybe some people are actually lizards in disguise but there is nothing at all to support that so far. If he had kept quiet on the wilder stuff until he had actual proof, the rest of his work would not have been so easily dismissed. He has indeed predicted a lot of what is now happening, but as soon as he starts with the reptilian thing, people turn away.

    Masterson.

    What part of that is so incorrect?

  46. Allan@Aberdeen, on June 5th, 2020 at 10:44 PM Said:
    Masterson – as I showed above, you are a liar and you do it as a matter of routine. Why don’t YOU just go away?

    Of course Masterson is a shameless liar.

    He knows it, you and I know it.

    Masterson.

    I will pop over to LI website now to see you dismantle LI, the microbiologist advice, views and Chinese virus views.

    Masterson.

    I am putting all my faith here on you not being full of chit.

    Don’t let me down.

    See you over at LI website my Yochid V’rabim.

  47. LEAVE MASTERSON ALONE 🙂

  48. Chit?

    It’s not a Jewish thang..

    It was a typo..

    *shit

  49. Colm.

    Nope.

  50. Please feel free to dabble in these murky internet backwaters yourself, but I have no desire to waste my life arguing with conspiracy nuts and weirdos.

    Says an internet Jewish conspiracy nut and weirdo.

    Or, in plain English..

    You are full of shit?

    Correct?

  51. Please feel free to dabble in these murky internet backwaters yourself, but I have no desire to waste my life arguing with conspiracy nuts and weirdos.

    Says the internet Jewish expendable policeman troll.

    Masterson.

    You might think in your weird warped world that the Goyim are beneath you.

    I personally don’t?

    Does that me a self-hating Jew?

    Masterson.

    You have been well and truly rumbled.

    lilah tov

  52. *make

  53. on you not being full of chit.

    Thanks for the spelling correction Harri. I would never have guessed what word you meant if you hadn’t spelled it out 🙂

  54. Colm.

    I know.

    😉

  55. Conspiracy theory is now telling us that the mortality rates for Covid-19 are similar to those for flu. This ‘conspiracy theorist’, a minor accademic for a failed institution, offers the data for review:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v1.full.pdf

    The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data
    John P.A. Ioannidis Departments of Medicine, of Epidemiology and Population Health, of Biomedical Data Science, and of Statistics and Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS), Stanford University, Stanford, CA, USA E-mail: jioannid@stanford.edu

    Results: Twelve studies were identified with usable data to enter into calculations. Seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.113% to 25.9% and adjusted seroprevalence estimates ranged from 0.309% to 33%. Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.03% to 0.50% and corrected values ranged from 0.02% to 0.40%.

  56. Please feel free to dabble in these murky internet backwaters yourself, but I have no desire to waste my life arguing with conspiracy nuts and weirdos.

    If these internet backwaters are so murky, so unimportant, so uninteresting?

    Why do you, Masterson, feel the need, and find the time to jump all over them in record quick time?

    I smell Bullshit here.

    Masterson, have your employers ever thought about actually employing someone with an IQ higher than their shoe size?

    No offence intended, it’s just a suggestion.

    Let’s give it an acronym, CIP, a “Continuous Improvement Programme”

  57. Allan@

    When Masterson the charlatan has the time.

    I’m pretty sure he will be along sometime soon, to pull that scientific study apart.

    Or..maybe not.

    He can’t even handle a “poor microbiologist “

    Which is possibly the record on ATW history as far as irony goes.

    LI is a microbiologist, who studies gut organic material, and organisms, shit, in other words.

    And no one in the history of ATW is more full of shit than Masterson. (Well I can think of a couple).

    On shit, Masterson is an expert, absolutely no doubt.

    Note to Masterson’s handler and employer..

    Sack him.

    You can do better.

  58. Masterson.

    What part, exactly, is incorrect, in your opinion below?

    Pure fiction follows. I just made it up.

    An experimental bioweapon escapes a lab in China. The Chinese government try to hush it up at first but then realise they can make use of it. So they stop travel between the infected region and the rest of China, but not between the region and the rest of the world. Let it spread awhile.

    Their pet WHO plays it down at first, but then the game ramps up. Videos of Chinese people being sealed into their homes. Videos of people just dropping dead in the street. Huge hospitals built in days. Reports of mass cremations.

    The West is, naturally, scared shitless and starts getting ready. Huge hospitals built and never used. Nobody dying in the streets. Absolute lockdowns that have made no detectable difference. Economies destroyed. Everyone out clapping like performing seals, wearing pointless masks and now kneeling like trained dogs. Everyone scared of everyone else.

    Neighbours snitching like East German Stasi. Police arresting people for sitting on a bench. Supermarkets using customers as chess pieces on the Board of Shame. The virus is dying, it can’t spread. The Plague has failed.

    And then, suddenly… mass protests and violence. Over one bad cop in America, one bad cop with a history of being a right arse and getting away with it. No other country can do anything about this and the cop has already been arrested and charged anyway.

    It’s not an isolated nor unusual incident. Police violence has been the norm in many countries, including European ones, for a long time. Ask the Gilet Jaunes (who do not loot) in France. Or the protestors (who have never looted anything) in Hong Kong. It is not, and has never been, the norm in the UK. Police stupidity is rife but violence isn’t.

    So, you have a bioweapon, released accidentally but you want to make use of it anyway. What do you do?

    Stage massive precautions and terror in your own country for the press. Let the rest of the world destroy their livelihoods by following suit. Let them live in terror.

    Ah, but the Plague is failing. It’s not spreading any more. What to do?

    Pick an incident, any racial incident, and blow it into International Outrage. That will get your targets to mass together and spread the plague once more.

    The target? Consider. China has been extremely unpleasant to Muslims. They round them up and put them in camps and ship them around as slave labour. They have also been exceptionally nasty to black people. The virus hits BAME people a lot harder than anyone else. White people are hit less hard but are more likely to be spreaders. The demonstrations are mostly BAME people and their lefty white servants. I’m sure it must be all a coincidence.

    By the end of this month we will know one of two things.

    Either the virus is deadly, especially to non-whites and they’re all wiped out or…

    The virus is all hype and the government’s lockdown and restrictions were all pointless bollocks.

    Either way, vaccines and track and trace are pointless now. Lockdown is pointless now. Either way, the governments of the West do not come out looking good.

    Either way, China wins this.

  59. Allan and Harri

    Wow, the fact that you two have such a visceral hostility to Masterson indicates he must be doing something very right 😉

  60. Colm.

    The point being.

    Masterson is doing something very wrong.

    I will soon find out, when he takes on a microbiologist, and proves just how wrong that microbiologist is, and has been.

    Nothing less, will prove Masterson is more full of shit than a rumen, the reticulum, the omasum and the abomasum of a cows stomach.

  61. Colm.

    We post.

    Masterson gives snide unsubstantiated remarks, and weakly attempts to deflect.

    We reply.

    Where is the problem?

    You like opinions

    Masterson has an opinion, as unsubstantiated and unreliable and un-resourced they so obviously are.

    Masterson has the chance to absolutely absolve himself here.

    Take on LI the microbiologist, and fully explain to him, why, and where he is wrong, put him right with a scientific reasoned argument.

    I will keep tabs to see just how Masterson the internet troll gets on.

  62. I think Masterson has a very clean kitchen floor. He has two mops called Harri and Allan which he uses quite often 😉

  63. Colm.

    If you ask Masterson nicely

    He might let you borrow it.

    😉

  64. For someone who seems to annoy you so much, you do mention his name an awful lot in your comments. 3 or 4 times sometimes in the same comment.

    It’s hilarious when Harri pulls out the ‘I’m a Jew’ card, especially when he’s trying to suck up to Allan. It must make Allan cringe every time!

    As to the actual content of the comments:
    I have always found masterson to be a civil, well-read and well-informed commentator, and I know whose comments I would be more inclined to believe (clue – it’s not Keith harris and Orville here!) The only people he gets annoyed at are the two having a go at him here, and Pete Moore.