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By ATWadmin On January 28th, 2007

795151-650218-thumbnail.jpgI see that there was major gathering of moonbats in Washington yesterday. Jane Fonda, the former doyen of Hanoi, was amongst them, back to doing what she does best – giving comfort to those who seek to kill US troops. Cheering their childish slogans, they chanted "Our Congress" as the likes of Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn – and let’s not IRAQ_PROTEST1.jpgforget Mother Sheehan – added their celebrity to the 795151-650221-thumbnail.jpgcircus. I laughed at some of the images – attached for your amusement too! Betcha the tinfoil hats were out in force….

76 Responses to “MOONBATS ON PARADE….”

  1. I’m sure I saw Monica there, displaying a Peace sign and holding hands with Cindy explaining to a shocked Philly enquirer reporter "I listened to Jane’s speech and I now realise she was right all along…. 😉

  2. Monica will deal with you later!

  3. From the LA Times: ‘Fonda drew cheers. She said she had stayed away from anti-war rallies in fear that the "lies spread about me" would harm the movement.’

    I wonder what lies they were. Hard to separate fact from fiction where MSM reporting is concerned.

    However. I’ve just finished an article in the Sindy concerning Tumbledown, a film about the Falklands war. Some believe it ought to be rescreened in the run-up to the 25th anniversary.

    Central was Robert Lawrence, a soldier who had the side of his head blown away by a sniper’s bullet and even now is paralysed and in a wheelchair.

    He describes the glory of warfare: "It’s not morally very hard to pull a trigger but it is physically hard to get people to die because usually they don’t want to," he said. "The ultimate level is bayoneting, because there is a physical link between the two of you. You don’t stab them in the stomach, twist and withdraw. They grab on to the blade, it stabs them in the mouth and catches them everywhere."

    The article quotes retired MP, Tam Dalyell, on his attitude to sending British soldiers to war. "There is a compelling reason to show Tumbledown again after all these years," he said. "It brings it home that war is unpleasant, brutish and thoroughly nasty.

    "Those who have never done military service, as my generation had to, often have little or no notion as to what wars actually entail. Re-showing Tumbledown would be salutary for them – and for politicians who sit on green benches in the Houses of Commons sending other people’s fathers, brothers and sons to war without clear military objectives."

    He might have added that certain bloggers could benefit also.

  4. In discussing the efficacy of surgically removing tumors to treat cancer, we don’t find it necessary to print photographs of bloody sponges, excised tissue, loving closeups of stitches in human flesh and autopsy snaps of those who don’t make it. Likewise, we don’t illustrate road safety issues with explicit photographs of fatal road accidents (though we used to, much to our embarrassment).

    Yet someone is sure to suggest we cannot intelligently discuss war without being shown pictures of mutilated soldiers, scorched corpses or coffins draped with flags.

    Incidentally, several days ago in Washington, there was a similar march in the streets to protest abortion. By most accounts (and certainly judging from the photos) the anti-abortion march was significantly larger than the anti-war march. Reportage? Almost none.

    Funny that the same people who think we need to see the coffins to understand the body count in war somehow think it’s beyond the pale when abortion protesters carry signs showing photographs of aborted fetuses. (I think both are unedifying low tactics, but the abortion protestors at least are making the point that these abstract blobs of tissue we’re talking about sure do look a lot like babies).

  5. Jane Fonda is a good actress but a deplorable human being. Her disgusting antics during Vietnam were accurately depicted by the MSM at the time. Her attempts to rehabilitate herself here will not be met with any success among people of conscience.

    The real issue – the focus of the celebs among the marchers instead of the message of the marchers. The message is harder to ignore, namely that the war is being run by an incompetent administration that appears incapable of recognizing reality.

  6. Funny, I thought the message of the marchers was ‘Hate America, Love Islam, Sacrifice the Jews and everyone will love us’. Obviously just my incorrect interpretation.

  7. "Obviously just my incorrect interpretation."

    Obviously. Equally obvious that you are not alone in your error. Which brings me to the subject of sidedness. In Northern Ireland you know all about that. It is the inability to see events in any perspective but your own. I think one of the phrases you use is that some people see the world through green glasses.

    I think we all see what we want to see, and no amount of talk "from the other side" is going to change our minds about what we saw.

  8. Alan – by "talk form the other side" are you suggesting a seance?

  9. "I think we all see what we want to see, and no amount of talk "from the other side" is going to change our minds about what we saw."

    Yeah…I think a bunch of people waving anti-Israel slogans and wearing and waving Hezbollah icons is a fairly clear message that they support
    Islamic Terrorism and hate Jews. I dont think thats seeing what I want to see, I think its not ignoring whats right in front of me.

    Not, I should point out, that I disagree with Mahons’ assessment of the situation. Just that I dont think its the message of the marchers…

  10. Weasel – any links to the anti-abortion march?

  11. I have been converted!!!

  12. Here’s an example from the article of the MSM skewing the truth:

    >>Silence is no longer an option," said Fonda, once derided as Hanoi Jane for her opposition to the Vietnam War.<<

    No, LA Times, she wasn’t called that b/c she "Opposed" the war. It’s b/c she WENT to Hanoi, posed on anti-aircraft guns that were killing American fliers, and laughed and made faux shooting motions. Youngsters reading that piece aren’t realizing that they’re being willfully misled.

    And good point about the pro-life march being as large or large and not receiving any coverage.

  13. DSD,

    Can you send me a link that shows "a bunch of people waving anti-Israel slogans and wearing and waving Hezbollah icons" in yesterday’s anti-war demonstration in Washington?

  14. Agreed, Charles, it’s one thing to voice opposition to a war, but from what I’ve heard, Fonda’s actions were disgraceful. I’ve heard that she was involved in some sort of televised "POW parade" (of US soldiers captured by the vietcong), designed to show the world that the cong were treating their prisoners well, (whereas in fact they were torturing them). As she passed a line of American POWs, one of them slipped a piece of paper into her hand with a message "help me/ get us out of here/we’re being mistreated" or some such message. Instead she passed the bit of paper straight to the Vietnamese commander and told him who had given it to her.
    (I may have got some of that wrong, it was several years back that I heard it).

  15. ‘ from what I’ve heard, Fonda’s actions were disgraceful’

    What what I’VE heard, Elvis is alive and well and slinging burgers in Wiggins, Mississippi.

    This is what I referred to earlier. Fonda claims that lies were told about her. I don’t know; I wasn’t there. Anyone here have first-hand information about this?

  16. Or even ‘From what’ :0)

  17. tom, ive heard that before too.

    but wiki has this to say on it:

    >>>The POW camp visits also lead to persistent stories – widely circulated on the Internet and via email – that the POWs she met had reviled her or attempted to sneak notes to her, which she had reported to the North Vietnamese, leading to further abuse. These false accounts have been discredited by the former prisoners who are directly mentioned in the accounts.<<<

    either way i dont trust her or her motives.

  18. Actors should stick with what they do best: parroting the words of truly talented people.

  19. Some good pics of Jane in Hanoi "opposing the war."

    I forgot about the propoganda broadcast.

    Tom, I’m not sure about the story of meeting American POW’s. I’d have to research that further.


  20. DSD – here’s a <a href="http://newsbusters.org/node/10460">Newsbuster</a&gt; link on the difference in coverage between the two marches in the Washington Post. Not the best coverage of the event I’ve seen, but the first relevant hit I got.

  21. Ooops! Obviously, I don’t know how links work here. I’ll preview next time.

  22. S. Weasel,

    You don’t have to bother with all that href stuff, just copy and paste the address:


    But as I discovered to my cost, these pages don’t let a chap post an address that’s too long, over two lines.

  23. Good link, S Weasel. Very informative. I also like this part.

    "Reporter Jim Taylor started his report saying "A nation says no to war …" as an introduction to the story of the goings on in Washington.

    A "nation" says no? A few protests equates the the whole nation, CBS?

    Taylor intoned this phrase as if the entire of the United States had risen up to say no to the actions in Iraq. But, one protest in Washington and a few in scattered other cities does NOT a "nation" make. As Newsbuster Dan Riehl reminds us, even compared to previous Iraq war protests this one was smaller. And, compared to the protests the nation saw during the Vietnam war, the Iraq war has not produced anything near the numbers that supporters such as CBS wish to make it seem.

    So "tens of thousands" appeared in Washington to protest the war."

  24. Love these protesting libertards. One has to wonder how many Iraqis die when liberals lie?

  25. I was confused. Were they calling this a pro-life protest?

  26. >>One has to wonder how many Iraqis die when liberals lie?<<

    I’d say not nearly as many as when war-mongers lie.

  27. No Dawkins – there were 2 separate protests. One a couple of weeks ago which was pro-life and drew more people and was relegated to the end pages of the paper.

    This most recent was an anti-Iraq Liberation protest which drew LESS people yet was splashed all over the front pages, several stories etc…

    Love that "nation says no" crap. What a bunch of crap.

  28. Skye: What particular liberal "lie" has caused an Iraqi death?

  29. Mahons,

    I’m guessing that you won’t get a reply from Skye anymore than I got a reply from DSD. These are your usual "drive by liars" that never return with proof. Remember, all they ever have to say is "Boo on You and Hooray for Our Side."

  30. Weasel – you could take your last sentence and apply it very well in ANY such situation, abortion curries no special exemptions. I think its standard in all polarising issues where special-needs-moonbats want to make a highly emotive point. I have to remind myself that for all their noise and shock tactics (and when its fashionable the media coverage afforded them), they remain a minority. They’re all the same – absolute refusal to see beyond their own particular finger wagging agendas. That said. They’ve a right to do it. Just as the people they accuse have a right to feel what they are fighting for is just and others have a right to choose abortion. Its when people start equating that to the status quo of opinion that it is wrong.

  31. Alan: We’ll wait and see. In fairness, her last comment was from yesterday so she is probably walking around Philadelphia presently unaware that her bumper sticker poetry was challenged.

    Even if one disagrees with the marchers, the level of anger against people exercising their right to free assembly is so over the top. The marchers represent a significant portion of the population (a majority by some indiction) and do not represent some fringe opinion. The willingness of the far right blogging crowd to attack such common democratic practices as somehow unAmerican is as scary as their willingness to abandon the right to a fair trial and the right to be free from indefinite incarceration without charge.

  32. careful with that axe eugen….. i mean mahons.

  33. excerpt from a report in The Washington Post:

    "Across the street, however, was a counter-protest, staged by the Washington chapter of the conservative organization FreeRepublic.com. Those protesters, who organizers said feared that the antiwar march would hurt the U.S. anti-terror efforts, yelled and sported signs, such as one that read, "Go to hell traitors. You dishonor our dead on hallowed ground."

    At least one veteran from the Iraq war tried to bridge the divide between the groups. Cpl. Joshua Sparling, 25, from Port Huron, Mich., who lost his right leg below the knee in an 2005 explosion in Ramadi, spoke to both groups.

    Near the end of the CodePink rally, Sparling, a patient at Walter Reed Army Medical Hospital who used crutches to walk, went to the microphone and told the protesters that they are entitled to the right to demonstrate and must fight for what they believe in. But he reminded them that the situation is dire for many Iraqis and U.S. troops there believe that they are fighting to help provide a better option for the people of Iraq. He was rewarded with general applause, although a few feint boos could be heard.

    When he finished, he walked across the street and spoke with the FreeRepublic group also.

    "This world could use more people like Cpl. Sparling".I quote for an HP post and would add that in this respect this is where the media is failing.

    The recent Clash of Civilisations debate with Livingstone proved that people are interested in both sides of fierce debate on hotly contested issues and in some instances take away fresh learnings. The role of the media should be to broadly facilitate this process. Emphasising one opinion as indicative is wrong. Marches and rallies dont reflect all opinion but somehow it is assumed they do.

    (sorry for lengthy excerpt)

  34. Alison: I read your excerpt. I am unsure of what you mean to say. To take away "fresh learnings" seems like a Borat moment. Are you saying the media incorrectly portrayed the march?

  35. Thanks for the info, Monica. I’d presumed that anti-war equated with pro-life. Mistaken logic I see now.

  36. Let people know the different viewpoints involved rather than suggesting this is representative mahons. A ‘nation says no’ is sweeping lazy journalism. Because they represent more than just the fringe doesnt mean they represent the Nation. Cpl Sparling there demonstrates both sides can be misguided. After all what are they saying – bring the troops home (seems decent enough) but also = abandon Iraqis to the status quo. Is that what the Nation really thinks? Watching millions demonstrate against the war a few years back, all well intentioned but they were equally well absolving a barbaric genocidal leader. Drumming up support for your campaign is one thing, claiming it is representative is another. The media then fails to do its job correctly when it chalks one group up as right.

  37. Alsion: The title of the piece cited by David is "Anti-War Protestors Flood National Mall". I don’t see how that title takes sides (unless you think the flood reference is a veiled reference to the Bush debacle in New Orleans).

    The article does not to my knowledge state that one group is right.

  38. We’ve seen attacks on the right to assembly and protest, attacks on the right to a fair trial and the right not to be held without charge for an indefinite period of time, and now the attack on the free press. What values exactly are we seeking to protect?

  39. >>abandon Iraqis to the status quo<<

    Alison, there’s no status quo in Iraq. It’s a constant status flux!
    Maybe the demonstrators believe that the war was a mistake, that even the desire to remove Saddam didn’t justify hundreds of thousands of dead and the almost inevitable carnage if the US were to pull out.

  40. The right (and indeed the duty) to be Right !

  41. Mahons. I do not see the issue with suggesting no one side has a monopoly on what is right in this issue and i accept they have a right to say what they like. I am not attacking their right to protest.

    However on balance the anti war movement has monopolised media opinion and has some heavyweight high publicity voices behind it (as noted here) which will give them the headlines. This LA Times piece is merely an advert for the next rally in March. In a global age and as Iraq teeters on the brink how do they think this is helpful and what do they expect to achieve?

    The attacks from the right as far as im concerned are for the Left stating all the evils of the world rest with America and gleefully advertising this fact to the world ( i use gleefully in a derogatory tone much in the way the author of the piece to describe the group who opposed these Stoppers)

  42. Alison: There is no such monpoly over here. The war is going badly and the media are correctly pointing that out. It is their duty. They aren’t a spin center for the administration (except perhaps for FOX News).

    Iraq isn’t teetering on the brink, it is well over the side and falling like Wild E Coyote into the canyon.

    The majority of the protestors that I saw appear to love being American and are not protesting America per se but upon the present administration. It is one of the great fallacies of the ever-dwindling numbers of Bush supporters who believe that you can only support America by supporting him.

  43. >>>However on balance the anti war movement has monopolised media opinion and has some heavyweight high publicity voices behind it (as noted here) which will give them the headlines.<<<

    youve got the leaders of the US and UK among others. Weve got Jane Fonda and Alec Baldwin. Not even a draw really. Plus youve always got Fox News, if you feel your voice is being marginalised in the media. 😛

    of course there is always the possibility that the rabid pro-war lobby, especially the ones who think no mistakes have been made, are the real fringe of this debate.

    Supporting a war may be understandable, but denying its littered with major mistakes is not.


    war with iran watch:




    >>>However, others in the Bush administration, notably Dick Cheney, who last year warned Iran that it would face “meaningful consequences” if it continued to foment violence in Iraq, are thought to be arguing for the military option.

    This interpretation is put forward by leading Democratic lawmakers on Capitol Hill, who have sought – but not received – assurances that the Bush administration has no plans to extend its military operations in Iraq across the border to Iran.<<<

  44. Well articulated Alison.

    >>Alison: There is no such monpoly over here<<

    Mahons, you’re kidding, right?? Even the evidence given here, that the MSM trumpeted the anti-war march in Washington, while ingnoring a very similar pro-life march, shows how one-sided our media is. You’re right when saying the MSM isn’t a spin center for Bush, but I contend that it IS a spin center for FONDA.

  45. Alison asks "what do they expect to achieve?"

    Dennis Kucinich answers:

  46. Its a pathetic bit of baying and sloganeering ‘impeach Bush for war crimes’ – equating him with Saddam Hussein is a nonsense not a criticism & at a time when everyone should be wanting the additional troops to succeed. The war is going badly ok and so thanks to a buoying of opinion these guys want to continue to undermine it at every step of the way. I have no time at all for Bush and believe he is one of the worst possible presidents for the current situation but i wouldnt be seen dead undermining the administrations effort to get the situation under control when it will solve nothing other than to shore up the islamists feel good factor. My point earlier was that it is better for people to be supporting effective debate on the way forward, discuss all the relevant viewpoints in a global issue rather than merely rallying to a pointless exercise in finger pointing at this stage of the situation. Whether that is in the media or at Moonbat Central.

  47. Charles: I am not kidding. The Pro-Life rally as you are aware is an annual event that has been going on for some time, and therefore did not generate the level of news attention that an anti-war rally would (just as a pro-war rally of similar numbers would also deserve such attention).

  48. Right Alison. Everyone wanted Bush to change course. "He’s ossified, he won’t listen ect, ect…"
    So he changes course, and what does the opposition do? Instead of giving the President’s plan time to work (the plan that they asked for) they smell blood in the water and increase their protests!!!

  49. isn’t the Rights position just finger pointing at the MSM?

  50. Mahons, I see your point that the pro-life rally might be seen as old hat b/c it occurs every year, however the MSM is practically soiling themselves in excitement over this anti-war march.

    In the LA march, Sheehan was disappointed in the 3,000 that turned out and most of those were over 65.
    (Note to self, I read that in the MSM also. Have I just undermined my own premise!?)

  51. Charles/Alison

    They increase their protests because they think sending more troops is wrong and will result in just more Amercian soldiers dying . You can disagree with that point of view, but if people genuinely believe the presence of US troops is causing the violence and chaos then why should they ever believe that the answer is to send more.

  52. colm,
    especially as they’ve just voted the Democrats in on an anti iraq war ticket.
    Democrats still support the war against the taliban, in Afghanistan.

  53. The last Iraqi survey highlighted the confusion of the Iraqi people over ‘occupation’ and that if it was clear Americans had no intentions of setting up long term bases (which they dont) then the Iraqis would welcome American bases there to help with stability. It strikes me that this disinformation thing cuts both ways – for us all to understand what the iraqis want and rightly need and who is causing the upsurge in violence.

  54. Somehow I don’t get the feeling that those at the march would support the Afgan war either. IMHO.

  55. all well and good alison, but when us "moonbats" continually told the residents of right-world that the Bush Administration was making catastrophic errors and that many people are dying as a direct result, we were oddly enough accused of being insane leftists, who pined for Stalins bussom. Or some other equally ridiculous stock insult.

    Now that we have been proved correct, over everything that right-world has offered. Whats the position?

    Oh yes, STFU and stop criticising the glorious leader as he polishes a turd by throwing fresh meat into the grinder. And ignore the fact that "apparently" a bunch of stalin loving moonbats managed to get it right and that the leader of the free world and all his handlers and minions somehow got it wrong.

    wake up. behind every public strategy is a very different beast. whats yet to be seen is whether the democrats will add an air of legitimacy to any further conflict in the region, ie iran.

    the world is a stage………………….

  56. Charles – that is a fair point. An anti-war movement will of course always draw those who are opposed to any war under any circumstances (despite any peril). What I think is harder for the right wing bloggers to accept is that isn’t the majority of those opposed to the war in this instance. It is easy to dismiss "peacenicks" who carry anti-American signs. It is much harder to dismiss mainstream thoughful people who take issue with this war.

  57. >>>Have I just undermined my own premise!?<<<

    chas, again? 😉

    >>>if it was clear Americans had no intentions of setting up long term bases (which they dont)<<<

    "Now who’s being naive Kaye ?"

  58. Dispatches tonite 8pm Ch4

    Iraq’s Death Squads

    Current affairs programme. After Saddam Hussein’s controversial execution, reporter Deborah Davies asks whether the Iraqi government has any real determination or ability to bring about an end to the constant bloodshed across the country and investigates the links between Iraqi rulers and Shia militia. The programme reveals how death squads rampage through Baghdad’s streets at night, carried out by the Shi’ite mercenaries who have infiltrated police units and government ministries.

  59. Mahons, True. I just wonder how many of those Americans who have turned against the war have been influenced by the constant negative drumbeat on the nightly news. As David said on his vlog, what if this news generation had been in Normandy in 1944 when 6,000 were killed or wounded in one day!

    Well, I owe, I owe, so off to work I go!

  60. Charles,

    If you want to know what the organizers of the march had in mind, see:

  61. Amen to that Alan
    all the Right seem to be able to do as I pointed out earlier is to throw stones at the media
    "constant negative drumbeat on the nightly news."
    hardly a sustainable arguement.
    Shock horror, maybe the media is correct.

  62. Now that we have been proved correct, over everything that right-world has offered. Whats the position?

    Well yours would be to stand by whilst a tyrant continued with his genocide and ruthlessly murdered all those who opposed him so what makes you so sanctimonious. Your total disregard for the sentiments of those who turned out in hope to vote last year puts your comments right into proper context Daytripper.

  63. Mahons,

    "It is easy to dismiss "peacenicks" who carry anti-American signs."

    You are buying into the DSD lie. Where is the link to the pictures of anti-American signs from Saturday’s march?

  64. very painful watching this dispatches programme.
    anyone second that

  65. Alan: You are "understanding" me too quickly. I was trying to explain that an anti-war demonstration might include some who are against any war, not that htere were such folks depicting such sentiments at this time (I don’t have enough info on that score).

  66. Charles: The coverage is depicting the real events which are sadly negative.

  67. So is Afghanistan mahons – corrupt warlords in the government and a long way to go to defeat the taleban, all rather negative outlook in theory – media coverage rather different though.

  68. yes, just watched it. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the military action in Iraq what is so sad is how can so may people participate in so much brutal killings. Don’t they think to themselves this cannot be justified.

  69. Mahons,

    No offense intended. I’m concerned when people use examples outside the original argument and then either don’t justify them or say "Well that’s what happened in London" when we were talking about Washington.

  70. Mahons,

    No offense intended. I’m concerned when people use examples outside the original argument and then either don’t justify them or say "Well that’s what happened in London" when we were talking about Washington.

    Percy and Colm,

    Sorry I didn’t catch the TV program over here in New York. Was the inter-tribal warfare presented reminicent of The Troubles?

  71. Colm – are you watching diaptches? just watched it and thought the same. how on earth can anyone participate in such revolting behaviour – there is NO justification for that at all.

  72. yes alan,
    militias on both sides brutally murdering for purely sectarian reasons, and much gov’t infiltration, but on a much greater scale.
    even in hospitals. Its hell on earth.

  73. Sorry Sorry about about the the duplication duplication.

  74. Alison

    I didn’t get to see all of it, just the last 20 minutes but that was enough to make you despair. How can anyone think "Yes this is the right thing to do" after walking into a hospital and killing doctors , or slaughtering relatives turning up at a morgue, or deliberately firing mortars into a school playground.


    What is happening in Iraq is ‘The troubles’ on a greater and fiercer scale, but I would apply the same sentiments to the terrorists of Northern Ireland.

  75. Ps -Alison, Nick Cohen is being interviewed right now on Sky News

  76. Thanks..