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I refuse……

By Patrick Van Roy On June 16th, 2020

Nothing that has happened since the beginning of February has done a thing to change a single view I’ve held. Just the opposite it has hardened my angst against the Idiocy and the Lawlessness.

They scared the hell out of us with Chicom Flu. I agree with the Lockdown as did everyone in the world. The Chinese went dark about a new virus that was dropping people like flies with a ground zero of their bioweapons lab. The lockdown saved lives, but….. Politicians went nuts. Taking on power they do not have and selectively making peoples lives a living hell.  It was not based in any science but by political dictates, the fact that 70% of the dead are all from elderly care centers prove there was no science involved.

The tension has been visible in the air, the fact that there are riots has been expected. It first looked it might explode from the right. It’s never good to see armed protestors for any reason even though it’s a Legal Right, it’s a right that makes people very nervous and leads to nowhere good, However not a shot was fired, not a building burned, not a single person robbed let alone business looted. And still we couldn’t go to work or church.

Then poor Mr. Floyd was murdered, and there wasn’t a single person who did not say plain and simple “The Cop Killed Him” it was unanimous. A burning of a city in the US happens. If Minneapolis burned for few days we all would have just ate popcorn and watched. It would be expected.

Let no disaster go to waste….. there is profit in chaos….

The explosives have been piling up, the stress and tension of the entire lockdown had been waiting to blow. A racial killing by a cop….. The Press and the Politicians poured the gas and gave their brownshirts matches. Cities all over the country have been destroyed. Peoples lives have been lost and still they keep pouring fuel onto the fire. Forget the so called social distancing or any guidelines against the chicom flu…. it’s systemic racism, never mind that out of the 14 killed so far in these riots 12 have been black along with 80% of the property damage being minority owned and ran small businesses.

The icing on the cake Defund the Cops….. No one would suffer more from such a thing than the minority community.  No one who has actually lived in an american city would actually accept such a move.  Ask those who lived in NYC before Giuliani, who’ve ever lived in Philly, Chicago, Detroit. Without the Police the animals will eat you alive and put it on youtube and facebook live….. but this is the distraction they’ve decided to go with.

The only thing that matters is the election and we have one party that has decided if the country must burn and suffer to regain their power so be it. Chaos and Mayhem is the Platform, the peasants be damned.

Contrary to what you’ve been sold, the average American had a job, the average American no matter race, creed, color, or immigrant generation goes to that job everyday, comes home to their family and just want to live their lives. There is one Party that is holding that ransom. Not only refusing to allow the average person to go about their daily lives, but they are spurring on a mob that is attacking anything and everything that is decent while blaming anyone who doesn’t support anarchy and mayhem as the problem. Oh and you’re also racist…..

141 days of hell to go…… bread and circuses for everyone.

71 Responses to “I refuse……”

  1. The Democrats love the smell of Napalm in the morning.

  2. lol

  3. I also refuse. I refuse to be intimidated by the mob. I refuse to take down my American flag. Long may she wave. I refuse to kneel for BLM. I kneel for the cross only. I refuse to turn on the cops. Yes, they need reform, but I back the blue. And I refuse to vote Democrat.

  4. “but they are spurring on a mob that is attacking anything and everything that is decent while blaming anyone who doesn’t support anarchy and mayhem as the problem.”
    Not true Pat, and the wrong conclusion. show me a leader in the democrats that’s called for law-breaking in any shape or form.
    Obama has been busy doing the opposite, gently poking fun at college students saying going on twitter judging another is not activism , ALL his words and actions are about the democratic process and using that for the vehicle of change . you’ve convinced yourself the opposite is true and that’s a pity but it keeps you angry and in the dark where you want to be
    that’s not a lens or pair of specs to wear or recommend , its a falsehood mate

  5. There is a lot of good and truthful stuff in Patrick’s post here, spoiled though by the fake hype that the Democrats positively encourage and want this destruction.

  6. I agree Colm. There are good discussion points in the post but ultimately it’s yet another it’s all the Dems fault post

    The icing on the cake Defund the Cops….. No one would suffer more from such a thing than the minority community. No one who has actually lived in an american city would actually accept such a move. Ask those who lived in NYC before Giuliani, who’ve ever lived in Philly, Chicago, Detroit. Without the Police the animals will eat you alive and put it on youtube and facebook live….. but this is the distraction they’ve decided to go with.

    Previous events have shown this not to be the case:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/disband-police-camden-new-jersey-trnd/index.html#:~:text=Camden%20dissolved%20its%20police%20department,2013%2C%20county%20officials%20told%20CNN.

  7. Camden replaced it’s City controlled force with a county controlled force. I wouldn’t read too much into it, it is not very big and is still not a great place to be.

  8. concur colm and paul
    generally pat starts well in these carefully written personal opinion pieces
    but veers off, and the last paragraph tend to be the kicker, a false conclusion

    advice: pat work on your conclusions buddy

    use the chemistry model

    1) experiment
    2) results
    3) conclusion

    show your work and demonstrate how you arrived at your conclusion
    and reveal any disputations in the conclusion, is their an argument to be weighed for example ?

    all the best Kurt

  9. Once, for the sake of doing something silly, I rode a bike thorough Camden.

    Very poor, very little economic activity apart from chicken joints etc

    You wouldn’t want to be there after dark

    You could buy five houses there for $100,000 but why would you

    https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Camden_NJ?cid=sem_google_desktopdsasale_cpc_google&medium=tsa&ds_kid=39700006684700262&gclsrc=aw.ds&ds_rl=1241828&s_kwcid=AL!5154!3!242256180697!b!!g!!&ef_id=EAIaIQobChMIy4_RlZuG6gIVAeiGCh3tLQFbEAAYASAAEgJFIPD_BwE:G:s&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy4_RlZuG6gIVAeiGCh3tLQFbEAAYASAAEgJFIPD_BwE

  10. I wouldn’t read too much into it

    The only point I make is that Camden dissolved it’s former police force and created an overhauled new one and not only did the animals not eat people alive and put it on Youtube but crime actually decreased.

    I don’t know what ‘Defund the police’ means as it’s too ambiguous but dissolution of a police force in the US isn’t without precedent.

  11. https://patch.com/new-jersey/cherryhill/heres-most-dangerous-city-new-jersey

    https://newyork.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=new+york&s1=NY&c2=Camden&s2=NJ

  12. Paul – it is in major cities. Camden was in such bad shape that the City controlled force was incompetent, corrupt and overwhelmed. The standard of analysis of these issues is not what one blogger predicts but what good or bad could actually result. Camden replaced the police department as opposed to do solving it.

  13. Yes

    Camden and NJ and the county did a necessary thing but it was no “ de funding “

    There have been some good results but you wouldn’t want to visit, much less live there

    https://www.tapinto.net/towns/camden/sections/law-and-justice/articles/camden-sees-crime-drop-over-past-decade

  14. Patrick makes some good points, amongst the hyperbole and indignation.
    I’ve got to say that for a man who only accepts the scientific method when it suits him, he’s a bit cheeky criticising others for the same thing.

  15. The standard of analysis of these issues is not what one blogger predicts but what good or bad could actually result. Camden replaced the police department as opposed to do solving it.

    I’m not sure why that comment is addressed to me as the only person to make any predictions here is Pat.

    As I said, I don’t know what ‘defund the police’ means as the phrase itself is so ambiguous and nonspecific. The point I make is that in any debate on US policing dissolution/overhauling / reviewing or whatever else direction the debate takes there’s what seems to be a successful precedent model which could be studied and discussed.

  16. What I meant was overcoming Patrick’s predictions of cannibalism isn’t the standard of teview. The vagaries of defunding are too unspecific. But Camden wasn’t defined as in dissolving the police force as much as it was removal of City control of the police force and replacing it with county control, on a small scale.

  17. Okay, clearer point taken. I think that we are broadly on the same page.

    I’m only forwarding a thesis that a precedent for dissolving a police force exists as a talking point in any resulting or future debate.

  18. Sure. But Camden’s reform would be opposed by other cities. Why? City governments do not want to ceded control to County or state. And the “Community” would decry nonresident cops and lack of patronage and control. Camden was and is such a disaster they could prevent it from happening.

  19. If you’re holding up Camden as example of anything I thank you for reenforcing my points….

    It wasn’t scientific what they did with the virus. If they had followed the rules of science the most vulnerable would have had the best procedures applied to them not the worst. The Senior care establishments were not given the PPEs and were never fortified to handle a major infectious virus. So they put on a show at the hospitals while they dumped highly contagious people into compounds that were filled with the most vulnerable.

    And I forget who made the comment, but to whoever I could gladly compile a list of all the Democrats that made a statement of support, and or marched with the rioters.

    Democrat Mayors and Governors ALLOWED the rioting. Gave the rioters free reign and ordered the cops to stand down. If you don’t believe the Democrats have and still are encouraging this insanity it is because you aren’t here and are viewing this through a filtered lens.

  20. Right Pat. See the Dem Mayor of Seattle. “We have block parties all the time” bullshit!

  21. Camden has had major improvement in important areas.

    The old police force was corrupt and couldn’t be fixed.

    So give credit where credit is due.

    But what happened wasn’t de-funding policing.

  22. Gary M. Heidnik
    Gary Michael Heidnik was an American murderer and cannibal who kidnapped, tortured, and raped six women, killing and eating two of them, while holding them prisoner in a pit in his basement in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Heidnik was sentenced to death and executed by lethal injection in July 1999.

    an example of the animals roaming our streets……..

  23. “And I forget who made the comment, but to whoever I could gladly compile a list of all the Democrats that made a statement of support, and or marched with the rioters.”

    Please do compile that list.

  24. Let’s see the list, and I’m sure it will make the distinction between protest and rioting.

  25. If you’re holding up Camden as example of anything I thank you for reenforcing my points….

    I don’t think it reinforces your point at all as the decrease in crime in Camden after changing the police force shows.

    Perhaps Mahons but unless the debate takes place we’ll never know. Your curt comments on the policing issue over the last few days here seem to suggest you think the status quo can’t be changed? (And that’s a genuine question, not a challenge).

  26. There wasn’t a decrease in crime Paul there was decrease in arrests, investigations, and responses to calls.

    Crime increased, and the county cops and private cops stopped responding to the majority of crimes. If you got mugged in Camden you dragged yourself to an emergency room because the cops or an ambulance aren’t coming to help you.

  27. Yesh pat can we see the list
    Gov Cuomo directing rioters and looters to shops tweeting
    Free crocodile shoes at Rattlers, corner of 134th and Jefferson
    HURRY while stocks last 😉

  28. Yes Patrick, you need to be specific in naming elected Democrat leaders who have unambiguously advocated violence arson and looting and , also when you say “marched with rioters” that cannot mean those who took part in peaceful protests which may have later resulted in violence.

  29. Paul – I don’t think some grand overhaul is necessary or feasible.

  30. Patrick will punt on that like his claims about the NYT and Washington Post.

  31. Camden has has some improvement

    Murder is one stat that you can’t fudge and it has gone down.

    But Camden as a city is no success story. Few want to live there, or even visit.

    But if anyone disagrees, step right up and buy a house for $20,000 and move in.

  32. Yes I guess anyone who believes 3 years of nonstop reporting of Russian Collusion was honest is not capable of of seeing anything other than what they want.

    so you won’t see it even if you had film of AOC handing out cans of gasolene.

  33. You got the list Patrick?

  34. Patrick

    That is not true. Why would anyone here not want to acknowledge if it proven ? Speaking for myself I have no particular affiliation for any American political party so I would have no desire to deny proven violent support by any Dem politicians.

  35. Some Democrats ( Maxine Waters, others ) would be in great sympathy with rioters, some Republicans would be in sympathy with the McVeigh Militia types.

  36. right phantom so the only proof is in the pudding
    show us the words, the statements encouraging rioters , law breaking or cease and desist the fantasies, they’re not helping are they ..

  37. PaTroll linked to a serial killer from 1999 as an ‘example of the animals who roam our streets’ – to back up his argument? Seriously? Are the streets of US cities overrun by cannibalistic serial murderers?

  38. Gentleman you’re trying to start a game that I’m not going to play.

    Now if the other two east coast Americans on here want to claim that these riots aren’t being encouraged by the Democrats and that’s what you choose to believe just like you choose to believe that there was Russian Collusion…. oh well you believe what you want.

    I can’t point to any politician that said “yes yes riot”, but if you truly don’t believe this is being supported by the Democrat Party there is nothing I can ever tell you.

    You’re braindead, blind and just dumb. What is obvious to Americans tends to go over outsiders heads. As for the 2 NYrs shame on both, because they know damn well that I’m right.

    So yes Mahons I will punt, you I expect it from but shame on Phantom.

  39. 143 days

  40. “What is obvious to Americans…”
    Cannibal serial killers roaming the streets?

  41. Gentleman you’re trying to start a game that I’m not going to play.

    What? Debating differences of opinion ?

  42. Colm
    Yeah! Quit that crap!

  43. There wasn’t a decrease in crime Paul there was decrease in arrests, investigations, and responses to calls.

    Not according to the media stories on it.

    Do you have any third party links to corroborate your claims above?

    Paul – I don’t think some grand overhaul is necessary or feasible

    Fair enough. That’s put an end to that then.

  44. just the view form the bunker colm, with lights out, it would appear
    pat only glad you didn’t send us tear-gas and hold up a bible
    thanks for your mercy 🙂

  45. You said you could gladly compile a list of all the Democrats that made a statement of support, and or marched with the rioters. It now turns out you can’t name a single name.

    That isn’t us playing a game. That is you making another bullshit conspiracy theory statement and being called out on it.

    At least this conspiracy theory isn’t anti-Semitic so at least you are making progress.

  46. You’re braindead, blind and just dumb.

    that’s so bad , esp then running off to the bunker , lights out
    wonder where the cult of insults comes from aka donald trunk

    143 days to go , thank goodness , then we can leave behind this nastiness

  47. Patrick

    You need to stop getting angry just because people don’t agree with you. It would be boring if we all agreed with the opinions the editors here post 🙂

  48. Once again I’m cringing on Patrick’s behalf.

  49. It isn’t a matter of people having a difference of opinion, he can’t factually support what he said he would gladly compile.

  50. Imagine if I wrote I would gladly compile a list of Republican elected officials who support police brutality and then when asked to do so claimed people were playing games.

  51. Maybe Gary M. Heidnik was a Democrat?
    Maybe that’s the start of the list?

  52. He expects his fellow Americans to agree with him. If they don’t they are “braindead, blind and just dumb” – and the rest of us, not being Americans, well we are beyond hope anyway 🙂

  53. and to top it all, they think by retreating into obscenity and darkness and accusations, this equates with the rewarding light of a guaranteed win in Nov 2020.
    no-one who has a lamp hides it under the bed !

  54. Beijing closing the schools, cases surging in Texas and Florida.

    This is no ” flu “

  55. 141 days of hell to go…… bread and circuses for everyone.

    from pat

    comment:

    phantom,

    this is the most refreshing site I found last few months

    Are you a Republican, ex-Republican,
    or Trump-voter who won’t support the president in November? Share your story.

    https://rvat.org/#homePageStories

    Justin Clark retired Army Ranger

    just ordinary USA folks telling their story unedited, no spin, personal , historical, factual .. I’ve never heard anything like it , its just soo so powerful to listen to some of them .. From the horses mouth.

  56. Every Democratic politician I have heard has condemned illegal behavior by protesters. But Trump wants to use active-duty soldiers to attack peaceful protesters so he can get a photo op. The Democrats urge adherence to law, the leader of the Republicans scorns law and traditions.

    The protests have produced actions to reduce police brutality by many states and cities. It has already been a very successful social movement in a very short period of time. There is overwhelming public approval of the peaceful protests. The protests have improved the country and that is the way a democracy should conduct itself.

  57. Nothing that has happened since the beginning of February has done a thing to change a single view I’ve held.

    Surely you mean since the beginning of 1980?

  58. lol

    no the date would be Monday, January 20, 1969

  59. I presume that is the day you emerged from your mother’s womb looked at all the doctors slapping prodding and poking you and thought to yourself ” I bet they are all damned liberal socialist Democrats” 🙂

  60. Patrick

    I assume you agree with Trump Toadie Attorney General Barr that Bolton should be prosecuted for his book? Apparently he discloses that Trump encouraged the Chinese to build the concentration camps for the Uighurs and asked Xi in return for help to win re-election:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53086042

  61. He said what?

    Oh holy mother of God

  62. I don’t love the idea of insiders telling tales, but I don’t know how you think that this sort of thing would never be revealed…unless there was only one ( Chinese ) translator in the room with the two leaders

    Bolton had better be very careful in his travels. The Chinese don’t play, and there would be Trump supporters in the US who would be very unhappy with him about now.

  63. do a post phantom, how bout that on Bolton and the revelations ..

  64. Doing ten things, cannot do right now

    But every so often you hear of something outside the imagination and this is one of those times.

  65. Get ready for the ‘disgruntled former employee’ line to be wheeled out again.

  66. Colm, on June 17th, 2020 at 8:57 PM Said: Edit Comment
    I presume that is the day you emerged from your mother’s womb looked at all the doctors slapping prodding and poking you and thought to yourself ” I bet they are all damned liberal socialist Democrats” 🙂

    no that’s the day Nixon was sworn in.

  67. as for Bolton….. lock his ass up….

  68. pat you’ll have plenty of time to read it when Trump loses in 142 days
    meanwhile , its too late the book has shipped
    WH lawyers didn’t even go for an injunction they just moved to sue
    all this does is take aim at the profits of the book sales,
    they know they can’t stop it coming out …

  69. lo pat you know you’re fucked when this comes out

    Scoop: Republican operatives launch pro-Biden super PAC

    https://www.axios.com/republicans-pro-biden-super-pac-e48b415a-7fc3-44e4-b02e-11a105239811.html

    oh shit .. at this point there is NO safe Red state .. electorally

  70. kurt

    Remember old Chinese proverb. Man who is hubristic can end up with egg (fried rice) on face 🙂

  71. yerp give ya that ..lol
    just a tentative, speculative low-key head above the parapet 😉
    even fox news are playing Bidens speech
    its cut-throat business rating wars in usa .. nothing like UK
    they wanna be seen to run with the winner or lose audience
    even Trump would say post-morten ” they ditched the loser – which was Me”