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Slave Owner

By Patrick Van Roy On June 19th, 2020

199 Responses to “Slave Owner”

  1. The rioters who did this should be arrested.

  2. The penalties should be severe.

    A few days in jail won’t stop any of this.

  3. wonder if these sorts of scenes would have happened under a Hilary Clinton Presidency ?

  4. pahntom/mahons you better take your country back in Nov
    or you’re not going to have one to take back !

  5. I wonder are they going to pull down his head from Mt Rushmore.

    And Thomas Jefferson will no doubt have to go too. All men may be created equal, but Jefferson owned and traded in the less equal ones.

    I read today that Ireland’s most famous philosopher Bishop George Berkeley (“If a statue falls down and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?”) also had slaves. True, the good bishop did baptise them, thus saving their souls in the afterlife, but he otherwise made their souls miserable in this one.

  6. It bears repeating; it’s not about racism and slavery. They hate your country over there and they hate our country here. They hate everything and mean to erase everything. They will only stop when they are made to stop.

  7. Somewhere in a sacred place (in my imagination) is a HUGE erection of me. It would take an army to bring it down 🙂

  8. Pete 650

    Every word of that is true.

  9. Colm

    I think that you’re confusing this with some other site?

  10. nah every word of 6:50 is bull – you guys are just tone-deaf
    This stops when you stop killing black people like they’re fucking animals

    There’s millions of black people and 1/2 black who love USA and strive to do well
    and put up with huge visceral and systemic inequality -get real

  11. Andrew Sullivan is on Bill Mahet tonight

    That may be very interesting

  12. kurt

    Seriously – what has the issue of police killing black people got to do with statues ?

  13. //This stops when you stop killing black people like they’re fucking animals//

    So if US cops are instructed not to kill any black people under any circumstances, then it will suddenly be OK again to have statues of slave-owners, etc?

  14. its anger colm, frustation that’s what uprisings are
    you folks would not know cos you’re not black ! and don’t face discrimination
    and get killed for $20 viciously .. how dya think you’d react if you woz black in USA ?
    that’s the question , see if from their POV
    how do I know, I’m not black ? something called empathy 🙂

  15. // see if from their POV//

    Kurt, there is no THEIR POV. That’s a racist assumption. Or do you think there’s also only one white POV, and all the conflicting comments on ATW are just someone playing around?

  16. Noel

    I was not aware Bishop Berkeley had slaves. Was it when he was in Rhode Island? I’d appreciate any information on the subject. Thanks.

  17. yeah many are just fucking around, ignorant comment from people who have never been on a march for anything,they don’t support any kind of protesting whatsoever, despite it being an amendment right, and zero in on the subject ONLY if there is looting and damage, its called BS its called tone deaf, its called racism, and that’s why USA is in a mess

  18. and get killed for $20 viciously

    Kurt – and when that happens it is largely at the hands of another black person. Far more black victims are killed by other black men (for often very trivial reasons) than by the police.

  19. how do I know, I’m not black ? something called empathy 🙂

    Something called insanity. You are totally barking.

  20. Colm I’m surprised you’d make that silly racist comment
    Noel
    When are people going to get it that statues can be replaced
    But you can’t bring back the dead . I expect you to get it
    Having been brought up in a place that has in varying degrees been under the yoke for 700 years .
    darkie dont count is what I hear from Colm from phantom perhaps they secretly agree they’re primitives like petem and Allan openly claim .
    Prmitives Noel where do you reside we know what the rest think ?

  21. //I was not aware Bishop Berkeley had slaves. Was it when he was in Rhode Island?//

    It must have been. There were no blacks in Ireland at the time; they had the Catholics for that role.

    Berkelely, for all his learning, was also an anti-Catholic bigot.

    Here’s the IT article on B and slavery. Let me know if it’s behind a paywall.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/what-to-do-about-george-berkeley-trinity-figurehead-and-slave-owner-1.4277555

    By the way, would it be too late to start a Catholic Lives Matter movement, and demand the removal of such figures as Newton?

  22. Colm old fruit you’re mixing up two distinct things
    1) gang ghetto violence in black neighbourhoods like Chicago
    2) Injustice at the hands of the Police
    Not seeing the two as cleanly very distinct is the very definition of casual racism
    Do you accept that .
    If not how you do you account for your mistake ?

  23. kurt

    I don’t make racist comments. I am perfectly capable of seeing genuine injustice but I am also perfectly capable of seeing stupid virtue signalling and fake racism claims and not blindly going along with what certain activists claim must be accepted. I have my own mind and don’t feel the need to be coerced into an accepted orthodoxy. BLM activists like anyone else can be challenged you know, it doesn’t make a person a racist just because they think for themselves.

    Please tell me what did I say that was racist, and genuinely explain how it was racist or anything I have ever said which would justify the claim that I believe “darkies don’t count” as you stated above.

  24. There were no blacks in Ireland at the time; they had the Catholics for that role.

    If it’s any consolation, Catholics were the best blacks.

  25. Oh no petem you have empathy but it’s only for your own kind
    Why do you think millions of white people took part in peaceful protest all across the world last few weeks
    They’re not black . They all insane too I guess . ?

  26. kurt

    My original comment was about statues, and you turned that into a belief that I don’t care about black people’s lives – you are the one who has to explain such nonsense.

  27. I don’t think you’re a rascist at all colm
    But I still believe the zeitgeist of our time is to agree with nanci and the leaders if the dens to take the knee because it just so happens that killing black people bt white cops is all more god damned important than statues.
    Maybe one or two agree with me here the rest don’t give a shit .. Nuff said . And that’s the problem we ain’t gonna move forwards until everyone agrees .

  28. Kurt

    With all due respect, what you don’t understand about these neo-Maoist criminals is that first they come for the statues, and next they come for your house. The individual black person’s life matters to me. The Marxist organization “Black Lives Matter” that is causing all the trouble I detest.

  29. Where was the city government and police in Portland?

    Everyone in the country knew that those worthless sons of bitches were going to do something just like this yet again

  30. //until everyone agrees//

    ??

    What are we robots, or freeborn men? I once had a Democrat tell me that the government should have the power to force us to think correctly! I’m not making this up. She was an educated person too. But that where we’re headed. The mob forcing everyone to “agree”.

  31. kurt

    You are all over the place. What on earth has Nancy Pelosi and taking the knee got to do with the debate that has taken place on this thread. How on earth does a violent mob pulling down a statue of George Washington advance the modern NOW issue of police abuse of authority and use of weaponry. Its pathetic and nothing more than an exercise of faux “anti-racism” by largely spoilt brat student toytown revolutionaries. Such stupid stunts actually harm rather than help genuine issues of racial/social concern.

  32. I’m making connections it’s all related not isolated in the cosy discrete way you suggest .
    What was the spark . Think about that then you have connected the dots

  33. As much as I support what is happening in the USA and internationally, and I do support BLM up to a point, I think that any American tearing down a statue of George Washington needs a good slap in the head. Do they not realise that, were it not for this man and his actions, they most likely wouldn’t be in a position today to do what they have done? (Jaysus, that sentence made my head hurt!)
    Statues which celebrate slavers are one thing. But the statues built for Washington weren’t built in memory of the fact that he owned slaves. They were built in honour of what he did to achieve independence from England. He wasn’t perfect. He was a man of the time, whilst also being a man ahead of his time. He didn’t want the position of President, yet toyed with what title people should address him by (your Excellency was one). Aside from the war, he rarely travelled outside his own state, and found the time during the war to order furnishings and make architectural adjustments to his home at Mount Vernon.
    Tearing down statues of Washington is as stupid an act as tearing down a statue of Martin Luther king Jr, on the basis that he only wore a particular type of tie – it’s largely irrelevant and completely ignores the actual achievements of the person themselves.
    And no, I am not comparing Black slaves to ties. On most sites, it would be unnecessary to point this out, but this is ATW…

  34. Noel

    Thank you for the link to the Joe Humphreys article in the IT on Berkeley and slavery. It appears Yale grad students have documented that he owned three slaves for about three years while in Rhode Island. It is the first I have heard of this and I have read David Berman and others on Berkeley. The academic Humphreys cites is Clare Moriarity presently at TCD who from this fact develops a quite negative view of Berkeley. She should publish a paper so there can be an academic debate of her view. You learn something new every day!

  35. Sigh. So Berkeley was a racist…and I studied many times in his library. I would just like to apologise for any unintended offence caused to persons living or dead etc etc.

    Seimi, spot on.

  36. cause and effect
    stop killing black people, and you don’t lose your statues
    what’s not to see ? or link

    for you colm ..

  37. Morning Kurt, I see a good nights sleep hasn’t made you any more sensible 😉

  38. ok lets step back, break it down

    why do you think this is happening ( statues going in rivers- getting torched )
    didn’t happen last year ..

  39. morning colm
    you can lead a horse to water … but can’t … 😉

  40. It’s happening this year only because lots of bored, mainly white youngsters haven’t got their pubs, clubs, gyms, cafes, and other social centres to go to, so these statue toppling events have given them an excuse to break out of coronavirus tedium and isolation and have a street party, and pretending it’s all in the cause of racial equality is a neat excuse.

  41. hmmn, an opinion that, no facts to back that up colm, just conjecture
    facts are on my side ,
    this began as a protest in USA, which quickly spread across the world – fact
    some protested peacefully, others went further – fact

    your claim its “because of boredom with the coronavirus ” doesn’t stack up
    that’s a poor excuse, a convenient one though , giving you a grain of plausability

    cause and effect mate, its all there , thems the facts I contend

  42. Kurt

    I am talking specifically about the anti statue protests, not the immediate reactive protests against the George Floyd killing.

  43. yeah i know , you don’t wanna go there and make any causal links
    other than dismiss them, and claim it all a pretense, u cynic u !
    shame , as I’d contend you’re missing something big

    states conducting police reform in the aftermath

  44. you must remember what’s it like to be young once colm
    pretty sure they’re not pretending
    suppose we need to hear from them ..

  45. i’m out for the day but before i go want to add this

    in old testament times kings like David and others would rent their garments
    when bad news came and for other reasons
    when jesus die on the cross the thick cloth covering the holy of holies was rent in two

    now for me, a few statues being up-ended is a form of “renting of the garments”
    and lets agree USA needs its face shoved in some pooh, like a immature puppy

    I’m not too worried about it , are you ?

    tara

  46. Where did they rent their garments? Max’s Rental House of Robes? I think you mean rend.

    The police officers in the Floyd case have been fired, arrested and will be prosecuted. Justice is in fact being served, a thing that appears to have escaped the attention of many. Vandalism, rioting and looting are unlawful and unjustified responses.

  47. they haven’t missed that fact Mahons they don’t care.

  48. There you go Mahons and Patrick, Kurt wants to shove your American faces into a steaming pile of poo…. some Englishmen are a bit kinky that way you know 😉

  49. Kurt has some delusional moments and this would be one of them.

  50. moments……

  51. Colm.

    It’s happening this year only because lots of bored, mainly white youngsters haven’t got their pubs, clubs, gyms, cafes, and other social centres to go to, so these statue toppling events have given them an excuse to break out of coronavirus tedium and isolation and have a street party, and pretending it’s all in the cause of racial equality is a neat excuse.

    Absolutely spot-on.
    Let’s hope they leave penny lane alone now that it’s been proven that it has no links to a slave trader of the same name. Mind you, facts and evidence don’t seem to matter much to the BLM movement.

  52. kurt,

    hmmn, an opinion that, no facts to back that up colm, just conjecture
    facts are on my side ,

    Kurt taking the high ground with regards to facts. Now that is laughable.

  53. Dave.

    Be careful mate.

    Or the perpetually faux-outraged illiberal gammons from Brighton will invade Liverpool, and you can kiss goodbye to “Penny Lane”

    You can’t be too careful.

    Kurts constant meltdowns are probably not down to super white privileged liberal misguided superiority.

    More like from super-skunk?

    It’s a black ting…innit.

    And before any Americans get all above themselves..

    There you go Mahons and Patrick, Kurt wants to shove your American faces into a steaming pile of Poo
    Be afraid Americans, be very afraid

    An engaged purple vein throbbing hideously white gammon from mighty Brighton & Hove is coming for you..

    Kurt is right behind all the BLM movement to topple old whitey and his wicked ways…

    Approximately 5000 miles behind to be precise.

    By the way.

    Churches & Books to be burnt next?

    How many churches & Books were commissioned using profits, and donations from the slave trade?

    Let the burning begin..

  54. Apart from the obvious problem with weed..

    Kurts problem is..

    He is a male version of Rachel Dolezal.

    He is overcome with white privilege.

  55. The BLM movement doesn’t want to ‘topple old whitey,’ and anyone who believes that is an ill-informed racist who doesn’t understand the BLM movement.

  56. So..

    Kurt thinks that anyone from the South East, is an inbred farmer who grows only turnips.

    Anyone from Liverpool is an inbred scouser.

    And there are only two types of Americans, those that are as dopey as he is, and agree with him, and the others are inbred Southern banjo playing half breeds?

    The illiberal intolerance is staggering.

  57. Black lives matter.

    Does that include blacks killing other blacks on industrial scales?

  58. Why not do some research on them? Then you wouldn’t need to ask questions. And by research I don’t mean the Daily Mail, or just waiting to see what Pete Moore or Allan say and then parroting it.

  59. Seimi

    What does your research tell you about blacks killing other blacks?

    Let’s take London, and Chicago as prime examples?

    All skin colour is equal

    All cultures are not.

  60. I think that “ black lives matter “ is socially divisive and that it is racist to the core

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhammad-alis-son-says-he-wouldve-hated-black-lives-matters/

  61. Seán Russell, the IRA chief.

    He simply has to fall..

  62. “But what about…?”
    Yawn.

    Admit it, Harri. Your objections to BLM are based purely on your own racism, fuelled by your inability to formulate your own opinions and ideas.

  63. mahons
    consider the word “uprising” .. has happened many times in history in many places
    that’s what’s going on here and its a good thing, yous might take notice
    in fact many states have :

    https://u9u3m3n2.rocketcdn.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/weihua-lodhi.POLICE-LEGISLATION.0618.png

    need a bit of anarchy, crack a few eggs to make an omelette etc
    which by definition means breaking some laws –
    oh no – the sacred laws — up yer arse

    N0-ONE is losing their lives pulling these statues down – correct ?

    your choice if you want to get all squeamish about a few bits of rusty iron
    remember where you were when this happened buddy

    Tear down the Walls ( that divide us )

    This is great :

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-53119969/protesters-topple-statues-in-us-states

    Arise, Arise

    There are times in society when enough is enough and you raise a lil hell

    here endeth the lesson

    oh yeah “rend” your garments — opps 😉

  64. Seán Russell, the IRA chief.

    He simply has to fall..

    I’ve seen that comment made by you a few times H. Are you trying to make some point with it?

  65. paul
    you like your punk: Anarchy in the UK
    are you awfully offended by these topplings?
    or is there a bit of rebellion left in the old bones 😉

  66. Rioting, vandalism, looting can often lead to tragic events as bad or worse than police brutality. There is no justification for an uprising and those who claim there is are militant fantasists with no concept of reality.

  67. what would be justification for an uprising in your view?
    what ingredients would be necessary ?

  68. Seimi.

    Yawn indeed..

    Seimi
    What does your research tell you about blacks killing other blacks?

    Well?

  69. Justification for an uprising would be the suppression of civil and human rights with no form of civil redress, excessive danger to the civilian population by the government, the suspension of elections, mass jailings with kangaroo courts, show trials, the denial of religious liberty, the establishment of a dictatorship and the revocation of democratic rights and institutions.

  70. I’m sure Simi views black on black crime as I do, a tragic situation inflamed by poverty, and not as you do which appears to be it is an excuse not to forthrightly condemn occasions of police brutality that result in a back person’s death.

  71. what would be justification for an uprising in your view?
    what ingredients would be necessary ?

    Let’s start with London black on black violence, and go on from there.

  72. Mahons.

    Is there any white poverty?

  73. the suspension of elections, mass jailings with kangaroo courts, show trials, the denial of religious liberty, the establishment of a dictatorship and the revocation of democratic rights and institutions.

    Sounds like Chaz Seattle?

  74. Punk rock is my first love Kurt.

    I’ve commented before that I’m pretty torn about this statue thing. There are a few statues that I think are in pretty bad taste, Carson and Stormont, the ‘famine queen Vic at Belfast City Hall, the mass murderer Bomber Harris on the Strand, etc and the Colston statue had been a bone of contention in Bristol for years but they’re part of history and I suppose ultimately I’m indifferent to them. I also don’t think that the Seán Russell statue referred to above should have been erected in the first place.

    As to the rioting, I’ve witnessed many riots, some justified some not and the nº1 cause of prolonged rioting is bored young men with too much time on their hands. Riots have a habit of taking a dynamic of their own and more often than not detract from the injustice that caused them in the first place.

  75. Harri – of course there is. Historically poverty and crime go hand in hand.

  76. Mahons.

    Okay, poverty in London..

    Do whites kill more whites than blacks kill more blacks?

  77. Mahons.

    The same question goes for let’s say..Chicago, or Detroit?

  78. thank you mahons laying out the parameters in that way sufficeth and soothe
    the conditions are not present for an uprising. Lets hope they won’t be .

    Paul , yep that’s fact , a runaway train is hard to stop

    Trump keeps pushing the boundaries and stirring it up , armed as he is with corrupt men
    Rudy,Barr,Pompeo who never stop breaking the law ; seems to be really itching for confrontation. Trust that provocation is not lost on you or mahons.

  79. Harri – where there is poverty crime increases. Are you unaware of that? In areas of poverty where the majority race is white there are greater crime levels tHan in afluent areason where whits areally the majority. Is there a point you are trying to make?

  80. Mahons.

    In London.

    Black crime against other blacks is rife.

    Hundreds of blacks are killed by other blacks year in and year out..

    The same goes for Chicago and Detroit..

    Why?

    Black lives matter.

  81. Mahons
    The point he is trying to make is ‘its a black ting, innit?’
    Which, as per usual, isn’t even his own point, as I believe it was Pete Moore who originally made the rather nasty comment.
    True to form, Harri displays his inability for independent thought.

  82. Seimi.

    Yawn..

    True to form..

    Now.

    Seimi
    What does your research tell you about blacks killing other blacks?

    Well?

  83. Mahons.

    Have South London, Chicago and Detroit always been in poverty then?

  84. To be fair to Harri, he does have a point. The BLM movement and the anti-racist activists in general never really want to address what is and remains by far the biggest cause f black male homicides – being killed by other black mem. Talking about that is not a diversion from police killings , people can deal with more than one issue at a time, but while I understand the specific issue if the police being the forces of law needing greater accountability when they break the law, it remains the case that the biggest cause of grief and heartache to black families is the numbers of black ment for who other black lives don’t matter.

  85. Colm- he’s trying to deflect from the discussion of occasions when blacks are killed by cops.

  86. As Mahons has tried to explain to you, where there is poverty there is crime. Where there is discrimination – generational discrimination – there will be a breakdown of societal norms: loss of trust in law and order, social welfare, lack of amenities etc. All leading in a downward spiral to more poverty and crime.
    The fact that you don’t even know this shows just how clueless you are on this subject, and only highlights the fact that all your comments – I won’t say your thoughts, because they’re not your thoughts – come from a dislike for someone based on their skin colour and ethnic background ie you are a racist, with a racist’s views on most, if not all, subjects.

  87. Colm.

    Sshhh.

    Stop talking sense.

    It is strictly verboten…

    Only some black lives matter.

    Again, can we all agree.

    All skin colour is equal.

    All cultures are not.

    Yes?

  88. All three cities have experienced poverty and affluence at different times. Black lives do matter, even if you don’t think so.

  89. – I won’t say your thoughts, because they’re not your thoughts – come from a dislike for someone based on their skin colour and ethnic background ie you are a racist, with a racist’s views on most, if not all, subjects.

    Yawn..

    Okay, let’s take the whole of the U.K..

    Many places to choose from for deprivation, do whites kill as many whites, as let’s say blacks kill blacks?

    Please, be as specific as you like.

  90. Maroons, on June 20th, 2020 at 5:50 PM Said:
    All three cities have experienced poverty and affluence at different times. Black lives do matter, even if you don’t think so.

    Mahons.

    All lives matter, even if you don’t think so.

    That’s why I asked the question?

  91. *maroons?

    Irony?

    Maybe?

  92. Mahon, on June 20th, 2020 at 5:47 PM Said:
    Colm- he’s trying to deflect from the discussion of occasions when blacks are killed by cops.

    Tony Timpa?

    Mahons.

    I know, I know, you were absolutely outraged..

    😏

  93. Where in the UK have white people been treated worse than black people? Where have they been discriminated against? Where has an entire culture been built around making fun of white people? Where, in any of these places, is there such a thing as ‘black privilege’?

    Be as specific as you like.

    And yawn all you like. It’s clear to everyone here that you are a racist.

  94. And yawn all you like. It’s clear to everyone here that you are a racist.

    What about, what about…

    Seimi
    What does your research tell you about blacks killing other blacks?

  95. All skin colour is equal.
    All cultures are not.
    Yes?

    Correct?

  96. I have answered your question. If you failed to understand what I wrote, I can’t help you.

  97. Seimi.

    If there were whites killing as many blacks in let’s say, London, Chicago or Detroit, as there are blacks killing other blacks on an industrial scale. Would you show any interest then?

  98. You don’t believe that all skin colour is equal. If you did, you wouldn’t copy Peter’s work and write things like ‘it’s a black ting, innit’ or call black people savages.
    So please cut the bullshit.

  99. Seimi.

    No you haven’t.

    Let’s try again.

    A simple yes or no will suffice..

    All skin colour is equal.
    All cultures are not.
    Yes?

  100. Harri, people killing people is what concerns me. What colour their skin is is what concerns you.

  101. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:12 PM Said:
    You don’t believe that all skin colour is equal. If you did, you wouldn’t copy Peter’s work and write things like ‘it’s a black ting, innit’ or call black people savages.
    So please cut the bullshit.

    Talking of bullshit..

    Peter, Pete, or Allan@ are not here momentarily.

    It’s just you and I.

    Stop waffling.

    I at least hold you in better terms than that..

  102. Do you not even read your own comments? You re-posted your own question about my ‘research.’
    Seriously, if you can’t f you can’t even comprehend what you’ve written, how do you expect anyone else to? +

  103. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:13 PM Said:
    Harri, people killing people is what concerns me. What colour their skin is is what concerns you

    Again..

    All skin colour is equal.
    All cultures are not.
    Yes?

    Yes, or no?

  104. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:13 PM Said:
    Harri, people killing people is what concerns me. What colour their skin is is what concerns you.

    Of course.

    Because your countless posts about blacks killing other blacks on ATW is well documented.

    😏

  105. As are yours, where you call black people savages etc.
    I think you will find though, if you go back through ATW, that I have consistently condemned violence, regardless of the colour of skin. But here, why not prove me wrong?

  106. Seimi.

    Tony Timpa?

  107. Trying to compare the BLM movement and gang killings is ridiculous.

    One issue is alleged systemic racism at the hands of state agents while the other is crime committed by criminals. The difference is the latter has an army of state apparatus to try to combat it while the former hasn’t.

  108. What about Tony Timpa? What is your point?

  109. Harri,
    c’mon you’ve taken up enough oxygen

    what is small, round and polished white,
    with a fountain of brilliant green tops and a long tail of a root?

  110. Kurt

    A turnip. Do I win a prize?

  111. My guess is that people here had never, ever heard of Tony Timpa until the right used it as a ‘but whatabout’ to the killing of George Floyd.

  112. kurt, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:35 PM Said:
    Harri,
    c’mon you’ve taken up enough oxygen
    what is small, round and polished white,
    with a fountain of brilliant green tops and a long tail of a root?

    I give up?

    Is it a Kurt from Brighton?

  113. Look.

    It’s all well and fine us here on ATW from our collective armchairs whinging and whining about “innocent” George Floyd with a rap sheet as long as your arm.

    The fact he was black is irrelevant, the cops only had information George Floyd on his last horrendous rap, held a loaded weapon to the stomach of a pregnant woman.

    If it was my daughter, sister, or anyone else I cared about, I wouldn’t care if George Floyd was as black as the ace of spades, brown, yellow, or Klingon… 8 minutes 46 seconds would have not been long enough.

    There is a law in society most of us abide by, the colour off your skin makes no difference, abide by it.

    You live by the sword, as the Bible states, you die by it.

    Make your mind up.

  114. yes Dave , and the prize is a free bag of chips 🙂

  115. Kurt.

    Don’t you fret about Trump 5000 miles away, or us nasty old law abiding whitey.

    I’m pretty sure you’re local Brighton & Hove £10 deal weed supplier will be safe enough..

    Innit…

    You can simply relax, and carry on in you alternate reality.

  116. Floyd was at the time under suspicion of using a counterfeit bill and fully restrained. His criminal history was unknown to the officers and irrelevant to his death. Even if it had been known they had no right to murder him.

  117. George Floyd paid his debt to society for the crimes he committed?

  118. kurt, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:49 PM Said:
    yes Dave , and the prize is a free bag of chips 🙂

    Funny you should mention that Kurt.

    Dave, what is it with Northern chips?

    What is that orange stuff on chips?

    I noticed it in Coventry, Birmingham, and Birkenhead.?

    Anything else but sea salt, and Lashings of vinegar is sacrilege.

    Paul Mc

    I had a full on Lamb doner kebab earlier, it’s my birthday after all. All the trimmings.

    The food of the Gods.

  119. Mahons.

    The American police need an upgrade on their police vehicle software systems then.

  120. if only you were law abiding old whiteys
    Trumps lot commits more crimes daily than your average person of colour in a year
    hunched up in the WH plotting mischief
    e.g firing , or attempting to fire US Attorney Geoffrey Berman

    All this goes right over yer head as you don’t pay attention to any of it
    being consumed as you are with going round in circles on race issues

  121. if only you were law abiding old whiteys
    Trumps lot commits more crimes daily than your average person of colour in a year
    hunched up in the WH plotting mischief
    e.g firing , or attempting to fire US Attorney Geoffrey Berman

    Who?

  122. Orange stuff on chips ? – Is that a reference to curry sauce Harri ?

    PS – I LOVE doner kebabs. Happy Birthday you old git 🙂

  123. Thanks Colm.

    No, it’s not even curry sauce.

    It’s a northern thang..?

    Dave.

    Help us out here mate.

  124. It wouldn’t matter what crimes Floyd had or hadn’t committed. He was killed by a police officer. It doesn’t even matter about the knee on the neck. It doesn’t even matter about the 8 minutes 46 seconds. It doesn’t even matter that he was a black man. He was killed by a police officer, and there was no – absolutely none – justification for it.

    So stop with your bullshit, “Oh, he had a criminal record” excuse, because when you throw up the death of Tony Timpa as your ‘but whatabout…’ justification, you prove that the only thing that you care about in the Floyd case is the colour of his skin. You are a racist. You don’t like people because of the colour of their skin and/or their ethnic background. Everyone else here can see it, so why don’t you admit it?

  125. So stop with your bullshit, “Oh, he had a criminal record” excuse, because when you throw up the death of Tony Timpa as your ‘but whatabout…’ justification, you prove that the only thing that you care about in the Floyd case is the colour of his skin. You are a racist. You don’t like people because of the colour of their skin and/or their ethnic background. Everyone else here can see it, so why don’t you admit it?

    Of course, be you were so outraged when Tony Timpa was killed by the cops.

    Skin colour does matter to some..apparently.

  126. *because

  127. Everyone else here can see it, so why don’t you admit it?

    Everyone?

    Anyone?

    Help…

  128. US Attorney Geoffrey Berman

    Harri if you were interested you’d start there
    but it won’t make a blind bit of sense to you, not following it
    stick with white good, black bad – it suits ya pal

  129. So.. in good old lefty fashion..here we go again..

    All skin colour is equal.

    All cultures are not?

    Do you agree Seimi?

  130. //, where there is poverty there is crime. //

    Not necessarily. I’m sure enough books have been written on the subject to fill a library, and I haven’t read even a paragraph of any of them, but there has to be more in the mix than that.

    I can remember really dire poverty in parts of Kerry and Cavan when I was a kid, but there was less crime there than in the better parts of any wealthy city today. In fact, they were probably the most crime-free places I’ve ever been in.
    Also a lot of the kids out rioting in the US, even a lot from the ghettos, probably spend more $$ on clothes than I do.

    There are also obviously different kinds of crime. Some is rational, like for self-enrichment or to kill a sexual competitor etc. But the cause of the wanton and casual crime we’re talking about here seems to be more a disenchantment and frustration with society in general, than mere poverty. When one group has significantly more than another and both groups live relatively close to each other, and when the two groups are divided by something unsurmountable – like skin colour, religion, language or education.
    There’s a very similar crime phenomenon in Irish cities – north and south, where everyone speaks the same language and have the same colour. But when it seems that one group will always make sure it stays on top, and the disadvantaged group feels hopeless and helpless, often by recognising their own laziness and inability. Crime is simply the easiest way to assert yourself when you feel powerless or stupid.

    I’ve a feeling the fact that the real fat-cats are getting richer all the time, the dizzy heights the stock markets are reaching, etc, all that stuff, is further fuel to the inarticulated resentment that drives crime.

  131. Kurt.

    US Attorney Geoffrey Berman?

    You live in Brighton & Hove.

    Please explain what difference US Attorney Geoffrey Berman will make to you’re day to day life.

    Disregarding your Trump derangement syndrome.

    Please, be as specific as you like.

    Many thanks.

  132. nah I decline, Harri this old trick you try on others too
    world affairs is the answer, and you got it wrong too
    Trump is deranged , there’s a lot of people who agree with that statement
    but once again you’re too busy squealing TDS to understand why..
    Move along

  133. Of course, be you were so outraged when Tony Timpa was killed by the cops.

    Skin colour does matter to some..apparently.

    If you are implying that I didn’t or don’t condemn the killing of Tony Timpa, and my reason for not doing so was the colour of his skin, then you are, as per usual, 100% incorrect.

    Everyone else here can see it, so why don’t you admit it?

    Everyone?

    Anyone?

    Help…

    I’ve lost count of the number of people here who have pointed out your racism.

    So.. in good old lefty fashion..here we go again..

    All skin colour is equal.

    All cultures are not?

    Do you agree Seimi?

    I’ll refer you back to my previous posts, seeing as how you’re finding this difficult.

    Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:13 PM Said:
    Harri, people killing people is what concerns me. What colour their skin is is what concerns you.

    Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 6:22 PM Said:
    As are yours, where you call black people savages etc.
    I think you will find though, if you go back through ATW, that I have consistently condemned violence, regardless of the colour of skin. But here, why not prove me wrong?

    I trust this answers your question regarding race. Why don’t you tell us what you mean by ‘all cultures are not?’ Which cultures do you believe not to be as equal as others? Is this a poor attempt to bring Islam into a discussion on race?

  134. defintion of deranged is holding a rally in an area with a spike in covid-19
    yep , what we said was gonna happen is happening

    Six Trump campaign staffers in Tulsa test positive for coronavirus

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/20/donald-trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally-coronavirus-racism-protests-confederate-statues-george-floyd-latest-news-live-updates?page=with:block-5eee554e8f08cf3f35138475#block-5eee554e8f08cf3f35138475

    do you see now Harri,
    we point out that they are deranged
    that doesn’t make us deranged for saying so

    its pretty simple stuff this , i dunno why you struggle with it so much !!!

  135. Please, be as specific as you like.

    Speaking of which, I’m still waiting on your response to this:

    Where in the UK have white people been treated worse than black people? Where have they been discriminated against? Where has an entire culture been built around making fun of white people? Where, in any of these places, is there such a thing as ‘black privilege’?

    Be as specific as you like.

  136. Seimi.

    Islam.

    That old boogeyman ?

    Yawn.

    Zzzzzz

    Islam?

    Where above, in any posts does anyone apart from you mention Islam?

    You racist.

    😉

  137. Where in the UK have white people been treated worse than black people? Where have they been discriminated against? Where has an entire culture been built around making fun of white people? Where, in any of these places, is there such a thing as ‘black privilege’?
    Be as specific as you like.

    Black lives matter.

  138. do you see now Harri,

    Yup.

    Only BAME can congregate in large numbers.

    The same BAME who are more susceptible to Covid19.

    And they can congregate without any repercussions.

    Correct Kurt?

  139. Seimi.

    If all cultures are equal.

    Why are Africans and Arabs risking their lives to reach the shores of the West?

    And not the other way round?

  140. Kurt.

    You “decline”

    Why?

  141. world affairs is the answer, and you got it wrong too

    The lives of the population of Brighton & Hove…will be devastated.

    😉

  142. All intentional crowd gatherings should be condemned at this time – whether its BLM protests, middle of the night raves, or Trump MAGA rallies. There should be no hierarchy of acceptable crowd gatherings.

  143. Kurt.

    All skin colour is equal

    All cultures are not..

    Agree?

    Yes, or no?

  144. My response was to your

    Okay, let’s take the whole of the U.K..

    Many places to choose from for deprivation, do whites kill as many whites, as let’s say blacks kill blacks?

    Please, be as specific as you like.

    You were the one who mentioned the UK. So,

    Where in the UK have white people been treated worse than black people? Where have they been discriminated against? Where has an entire culture been built around making fun of white people? Where, in any of these places, is there such a thing as ‘black privilege’?
    Be as specific as you like.

    You may not be aware of this, but Black Lives Matter is not a place.

    I’ll await your answer.

    Where above, in any posts does anyone apart from you mention Islam?

    I am happy to be incorrect on that. I – wrongly – assumed that you were attempting to mount another of your favourite hobby horses. I’m glad to see that you are still sticking with your, ‘it’s a black ting, innit…’ (Copyright P. Moore) racist hobby horse for now.

  145. Tony Timpa the rapper is dead?

  146. Watch it, Reg. Harri will call you a racist. A case of the pot calling the kettle…white?

  147. Where in the UK have white people been treated worse than black people? Where have they been discriminated against? Where has an entire culture been built around making fun of white people? Where, in any of these places, is there such a thing as ‘black privilege’?

    Be as specific as you like.

    Across the public sector so-called “positive discrimination” recruitment takes place. Black racism and violence against whites is more common than vice versa. Whites pay for the welfare which blacks disproportionately claim. Left wing comedy has long made fun of white people. Our liberties have been severely curtailed because of the presence of blacks. There are many examples of whites being discriminated against and dispossessed because of blacks.

  148. You may not be aware of this, but Black Lives Matter is not a place.
    I’ll await your answer.

    Huh?

  149. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:07 PM Said:
    Watch it, Reg. Harri will call you a racist.

    Says the last refuge of a scoundrel.

  150. I am happy to be incorrect on that. I – wrongly – assumed that you were attempting to mount another of your favourite hobby horses. I’m glad to see that you are still sticking with your, ‘it’s a black ting, innit…’ (Copyright P. Moore) racist hobby horse for now.

    Seimi.

    No worries.

    No surprises either.

    As I said, the last refuge of a scoundrel.

  151. I am happy to be incorrect on that. I – wrongly – assumed that you were attempting to mount another of your favourite hobby horses. I’m glad to see that you are still sticking with your, ‘it’s a black ting, innit…’ (Copyright P. Moore) racist hobby horse for now.

    How?

    How is it even slightly possible to assume incorrectly, or otherwise a discussion about blacks killing other blacks, on an industrial scale, with Islam?

    Just who is the real racist here?

    (Piss be upon you)

  152. Across the public sector so-called “positive discrimination” recruitment takes place. Black racism and violence against whites is more common than vice versa. Whites pay for the welfare which blacks disproportionately claim. Left wing comedy has long made fun of white people. Our liberties have been severely curtailed because of the presence of blacks. There are many examples of whites being discriminated against and dispossessed because of blacks.

    Why do you think ‘positive discrimination’ was put in place?

    Please give examples of where and when Black racism and violence against Whites is more prevalent and longer lived than vice versa?

    Are all ‘Left wing comedians Black? And do they use offensive terms on a par with ‘Nig-Nog’ to describe White people? Were there multiple Left wing comedy series broadcast, laughing at the White people next door or in the workplace?

    What liberties have been curtailed, severely or otherwise, because of the presence of blacks?

    Please give 5 verifiable examples of whites being discriminated against and dispossessed because of blacks. If there are many, 5 should be no problem.

  153. Please give examples of where and when Black racism and violence against Whites is more prevalent and longer lived than vice versa?

    South London. Chicago and Detroit.

  154. To name just three..

  155. Harri, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:14 PM Said:
    Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:07 PM Said:
    Watch it, Reg. Harri will call you a racist.

    Says the last refuge of a scoundrel.

    What? I’m the last refuge of a scoundrel??

    How?

    How is it even slightly possible to assume incorrectly, or otherwise a discussion about blacks killing other blacks, on an industrial scale, with Islam?

    Just who is the real racist here?

    Because it’s you Harri, and you have jumped in to multiple threads here over the years, no matter what the subject matter was, and shoe-horned your ‘but what about the Paki/Muslim rape gangs?’ routine. So, like I said, I was happy to be incorrect on this occasion, but you have to admit – you’ve got form in this matter.

    Just who is the real racist here?

    You are. 100%, no question about it.

    (Piss be upon you)

    Charming.

  156. Harri, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:23 PM Said:
    Please give examples of where and when Black racism and violence against Whites is more prevalent and longer lived than vice versa?

    South London. Chicago and Detroit.

    Where and when was what I asked. Also, as you know, because you were the one who brought up the region, the question was posed in relation to the UK.

    Have another go.

    To name just three..

    Just one, actually, with no context either.

  157. South London, Chicago, Detroit, Birmingham, Leeds, Telford, Luton, Most of Yorkshire, Manchester, huge swathes of England, Wales, Scotland and “New Ireland “.

    You import third world, you get third world.

    And you can spread the word of the endearing Irish language in Ireland as much as you desire, it makes no difference.

    You are FUBAR.

  158. but what about the Paki/Muslim rape gangs?

    Racist.

    It’s time to move on..

  159. Why do you think ‘positive discrimination’ was put in place?

    To discriminate against the indigenous people of the UK. If you think otherwise you haven;t been paying attention.

    Are all ‘Left wing comedians Black? And do they use offensive terms on a par with ‘Nig-Nog’ to describe White people?

    No, and “white people are like ..” serves the purpose.

    What liberties have been curtailed, severely or otherwise, because of the presence of blacks?

    Our liberties to speak freely have been severely curtailed explicitly “to promote race relations”. The whole gamut of so-called “hate speech” has arisen around the presence of blacks. The idea that we have not lost vast liberties as a result of the Immigration Catastrophe is absurd.

    Please give 5 verifiable examples ..

    Bugger off 5 times. I’m having a beer. No doubt a muslim somewhere is offended but he can kiss my arse.

  160. Are all ‘Left wing comedians Black?

    No matter what colour of their skin.

    All left wing comedians are about as funny as face cancer.

  161. You import third world, you get third world.

    And you can spread the word of the endearing Irish language in Ireland as much as you desire, it makes no difference.

    You are FUBAR.

    Followed by

    but what about the Paki/Muslim rape gangs?

    Racist.

    It’s time to move on..

    Brilliant. When did you move on from racism, Harri? 30 seconds after you wrote that?

  162. Pete

    You should have put that bit about having a beer at the start, it would have made it clear that you were a bit pissed when you wrote that bollocks, and saved me a bit of time.

    Harri, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:33 PM Said:
    Are all ‘Left wing comedians Black?

    No matter what colour of their skin.

    All left wing comedians are about as funny as face cancer.

    Yeah, those right wing comedians, with their jokes about Pakis and Nig-Nogs are much funnier, eh Harri?

  163. Bugger off 5 times. I’m having a beer. No doubt a muslim somewhere is offended but he can kiss my arse.

    Irrelevant Pete.

    Somewhere, somehow, some self-righteous left wing self-loathing hideously white liberal is offended on their behalf, without their permission of course.

    😉

  164. Black comedians tend to be culturally right wing, because they are quick-witted and have seen what left wing social policies have done to blacks.

  165. Harri, why do you always describe anyone who disagrees with your racist views as ‘hideously white’? Do you think that people who aren’t racist like you hate the colour of their own skin? Why would you think that? It’s ludicrous!

  166. Yeah, those right wing comedians, with their jokes about Pakis and Nig-Nogs are much funnier, eh Harri?

    Seimi.

    Are you still that bitter and twisted, and living in the 70’s, you still believe all that?

    When was the last time you heard a modern day right wing comedian use those terms?

    Precisely.

    Seimi,

    It’s time to move on and grow up mate.

    You stuck in the past racist.

  167. Black comedians tend to be culturally right wing, because they are quick-witted and have seen what left wing social policies have done to blacks.

    ?

  168. Harri

    I know that I’m not racist. I also know that you are, and proud of it, although apparently not brave enough to say so now.

  169. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:39 PM Said:
    Harri, why do you always describe anyone who disagrees with your racist views as ‘hideously white’? Do you think that people who aren’t racist like you hate the colour of their own skin? Why would you think that? It’s ludicrous!

    Seimi.

    Do you still describe anyone who disagrees with your lefty views as “racist”?

    It’s simply ludicrous.

  170. Seimi.

    Do you still describe anyone who disagrees with your lefty views as “racist”?

    It’s simply ludicrous.

    No, I describe you as racist, because you are. Not ludicrous, quite simple. Just like you.

  171. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:41 PM Said:
    Harri
    I know that I’m not racist. I also know that you are, and proud of it, although apparently not brave enough to say so now.

    Jesus.

    Even for you Seimi, that’s pretty weak mate..

    😏

    “I know I’m not racist”

    Really?

    Says who?

    You?

  172. Seimi.

    You forgot to mention the word..gammon?

    Go on, you know you want to?

    😁

  173. Seimi, on June 20th, 2020 at 8:41 PM Said:
    Harri
    I know that I’m not racist. I also know that you are, and proud of it, although apparently not brave enough to say so now.

    Jesus.

    Even for you Seimi, that’s pretty weak mate..

    What is weak about it? Do you disagree with what I wrote? If so, why? What part do you disagree with?

    “I know I’m not racist”

    Really?

    Says who?

    You?

    Yeah, says me. I say that I’m not racist. Can you do the same about yourself?

  174. Yeah, says me. I say that I’m not racist. Can you do the same about yourself?

    Yup.

    All skin colour is equal

    All cultures are not.

    You agree..yes?

  175. Yeah, says me. I say that I’m not racist. Can you do the same about yourself?

    Says the person that holds the British in such endearment.

    😉

  176. You say above it’s your birthday H?

    Happy birthday.

    Were it my birthday I think I could think of better ways to spend it than commenting about blacks on ATW.

  177. Thanks Paul

    Much appreciated.

    Another year older, but none the wiser..

    It happens to us all..

    😁

  178. Paul

    Well..

    The pub is closed thanks to us all being scared of our own shadows?

    “New normal”

    For fucks sake?

  179. Happy birthday Harri! Go and have a G & T on me and tell them to put it on my bill ( said the duck to the prostitute!)

  180. Yup.

    What? Are you claiming that you’re not a racist?

    Yeah, says me. I say that I’m not racist. Can you do the same about yourself?

    Says the person that holds the British in such endearment.

    You may have missed it, every time I’ve said it on here, but I have absolutely nothing against the British. It’s successive British governments and their policies regarding where I live that I detest. Also, I defy you to view the army of a foreign nation kicking your door in and beating and shooting unarmed civilians with anything but contempt.

  181. Talking of slave owners..

    Why not instead of pushing ye olde Irish Gaelic language onto the “new Irish” learn Arabic or some other African, Arabic, Somali, Berber, Amharic, Oromo, Igbo, Swahili, Hausa, Manding, Fulani and Yoruba lingo instead?

    Racism comes in all forms,

    Correct Seimi?

  182. What? Are you claiming that you’re not a racist?

    Yep.

  183. Hello Charles, good to see you old boy.

  184. The pub is closed thanks to us all being scared of our own shadows?

    They sell alcohol in supermarkets, you have food at home and a wife and two girls?

    I can think of much better ways to celebrate were it my birthdays.

  185. You may have missed it, every time I’ve said it on here, but I have absolutely nothing against the British. It’s successive British governments and their policies regarding where I live that I detest. Also, I defy you to view the army of a foreign nation kicking your door in and beating and shooting unarmed civilians with anything but contempt.

    You may have missed it, but I hold all British, or otherwise governments in total and utter contempt, I don’t pick or choose, I hate and despise all of them.

    But, but, they kicked our doors in?

    Yep, it’s what they do..

    Has that penny finally dropped,.

    No Matter what colour you’re skin is, or how you “vote”

    Wake up for fucks sake.

  186. Also, I defy you to view the army of a foreign nation kicking your door in and beating and shooting unarmed civilians with anything but contempt.

    I dunno where this nutter is talking about, but it’s nowhere in the UK.

  187. Pete, hello mate! So many (il) liberals, so little time, eh.

    Indeed Harri, I think I’ll have that G&T for you and drink to your health!

  188. They sell alcohol in supermarkets, you have food at home and a wife and two girls?

    Two?

    You mean four?

    Five, with the wife.

    Do I stand a chance?

    Nope.

    Paul.

    You get my drift.

  189. I dunno where this nutter is talking about, but it’s nowhere in the UK

    No, at least not anymore.

  190. What? Are you claiming that you’re not a racist?

    Yep.

    Seriously? You’re taking the piss now.

    Talking of slave owners..

    Why not instead of pushing ye olde Irish Gaelic language onto the “new Irish” learn Arabic or some other African, Arabic, Somali, Berber, Amharic, Oromo, Igbo, Swahili, Hausa, Manding, Fulani and Yoruba lingo instead?

    Racism comes in all forms,

    Correct Seimi?

    What are you blathering about now? Try to expand on your ramblings, at least until they make some sense.

    Also, I defy you to view the army of a foreign nation kicking your door in and beating and shooting unarmed civilians with anything but contempt.

    I dunno where this nutter is talking about, but it’s nowhere in the UK.

    Just go back to your beer, Pete.

  191. //I dunno where this nutter is talking about, but it’s nowhere in the UK.//

    It is. He’s taking about Belfast.

  192. Charles.

    All the way from Hertfordshire, England to Texas. United States.

    Many thanks.

    😉

  193. Just go back to your beer, Pete.

    Yawn..Zzzzzzz

    As I said, the left are about as funny as face cancer.

    It’s all so terribly sad..

    😏

  194. No, at least not anymore.

    It is. He’s taking about Belfast.

    They can’t even get their anti-British fairy tales straight. Welcome to Ireland.

  195. No, at least not anymore.

    It is. He’s taking about Belfast.

    They can’t even get their anti-British fairy tales straight. Welcome to Ireland.

    I read Paul’s comment as meaning that the army aren’t here anymore. Perhaps in your haste to appear clever you misinterpreted it as something else? How many beers have you had? 😉

  196. How many beers have you had? 😉

    An Irishman doesn’t keep count. I’m just saddened, as a son of Garryowen, so see the old bigoted hatreds persist. We need to move on.

  197. An Irishman doesn’t keep count.

    Oh, are you being Irish today? Why? Did a big bad terrorist come into the village, demanding to check passports? 🙂

    I’m just saddened, as a son of Garryowen, so see the old bigoted hatreds persist. We need to move on.

    Which bigoted hatreds are they? These ones?

    I dunno where this nutter is talking about, but it’s nowhere in the UK.

    They can’t even get their anti-British fairy tales straight. Welcome to Ireland.

  198. Oh, are you being Irish today?

    I am Irish every day. Stop oppressing me.

  199. Lol 😂