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THIS IS THE WORLD THEY CREATED

By Pete Moore On June 27th, 2020

Alinksy Rule #4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

Never feel sorry for a leftist who gets cancelled, sacked or unpersoned. They’re only getting back what they want for others. They made the rules, they can be judged by them. (Something which DV has been doing: well done Captain.)

And Yale University must change its name or be shut down.

122 Responses to “THIS IS THE WORLD THEY CREATED”

  1. Great link Pete, the guy absolutely nails it.

  2. Never feel sorry for a leftist who gets cancelled, sacked or unpersoned. They’re only getting back what they want for others. They made the rules, they can be judged by them.

    This is possibly why Colm the liberal loon has given up, and gone out for the evening?

  3. Once again Jonathan pie absolutely nails it. I love this guy.

    It’s interesting that you’ve posted this Pete, because by my estimation, you probably disagree with 80% of Jonathan pies opinions in his other videos.

  4. I hope they are forced to change the name, especially after they changed the name of Calhoun College.

  5. Dave Alton –

    Jonathon Pie comes at things from a left wing perspective, no doubt. But it’s also an honest perspective, in my opinion. Here the sub-text is “look at what you are doing, you woke idiots.”

    I’ve actually got a lot of time for the Old Left, which is where this comes from. It was decent and patriotic and respectful of others. It was concerned with economics and lifting the working class. As a political force the Old Left died when Neil Kinnock lost the 1992 General Election.

    The new left comes from a very different place. It takes its cues from Marxism and Maoism. It’s a very different thing, based on identity and is full of cultural and historical hatreds.

  6. Pie has it absolutely spot on here.

  7. I know nothing about this man, but I liked his presentation. Something has gone terribly wrong with the left as far as true liberalism goes.

  8. I know nothing about this man, but I liked his presentation. Something has gone terribly wrong with the left as far as true liberalism goes.

  9. I’ve never heard of this gentleman before either but he’s just about 100% right

    But I think that it’s almost To retire the word liberal as used to describe American or British lefties

    I don’t see too many liberals, I see a lot of pipsqueak Leninists of varying degrees

  10. Charles –

    “Jonathan Pie” is a fictional character, created and portrayed by Tom Walker. Pie is a political correspondent who begins with a straight news piece to camera which very quickly becomes a rant/comedy piece about politics.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/tomwalker78/videos

  11. Pete, well he’s a good ‘un!

  12. nice little scree….. put aside british political labels (they really don’t know their left from their right) he wason the mark though about where the PC mob has brought things….

    As for off to the ovens maybe overthere…….

    I’m waiting to see how much further this nonsense is going to continue.

  13. Pie is a legend, dishes it out to both sides . I hate this identity politics this marxism crap, so can agree with you on that one petem. “It was concerned with economics and lifting the working class”

    Starmer is doing well , the polls suggest he’s overtaken Boris in popularity
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/27/starmer-overtakes-johnson-as-preferred-choice-for-prime-minister

  14. O/T pat, thought you might be busy with this one below i remain disappointed

    raise your hand if you’d like to see Donald Trump testify in front of Congress for 11 straight hours on live television to explain why he did nothing after he learned that Putin was paying Afghan militants to kill American soldiers. The elephant in the room no-one is talking about
    nite gents ..

  15. He’s a bit of a nutter but he makes good and truthful points.

  16. lol hi colm, seems like we both sneak on ATW after harri has punched himself out 😉
    seriosuly though i’ve had a long day NHS frontline, i made a difference today and that is job satisfaction , pay could be better , but its almost double pay on sat/sun
    I could just about afford to work just weekends and have mon-fri off
    a 2 day week 🙂

  17. kurt

    Harri thinks I ran away earlier rather than debate with him. In fact – as I mentioned earlier today, I went to a neighbours barbecue. Harri is a complete bore most of the time but he isn’t effective enough to scare me off 🙂

  18. Kurt I answered your ridiculous Trump fantasy the first time you mentioned it.

  19. You didn’t Patrick. .

  20. The Left always eats its own.

  21. Just imagine your outrage if Obama had known of the bounty on us troops by Russia and did nothing . It’s all over the papers pat . Intel told trump in March then the cocksucker invited putin to the G7 . You can run but you can’t hide pal

  22. Indeed Colm laughably deranged Harri believes there’s an invisible man number crunching his posts and awarding him victory points against lefties based in quantity not quality . Hilarious . Nowadays he presents in meltdown mode as a perma feature . This takes completely unhinged to a whole new level of lunacy . He only responds if you feed him. As the troll is not capable of thought just reactions . You’re right it’s fun until it’s just too boring to waste time on .
    Paul and phantom post less iive noticed . Guess Harri thinks he’s demolished them and just you me semi and Dave to go before victory is declared then . Today’s meltdown will begin shortly just guessing 🤣🤣🤣

  23. I don’t post here as much Kurt as there’s less & less that I find stimulating enough to discuss. While I enjoy discussion TBH I’m fed up to the back teeth of Covid conspiracy theories and don’t feel there’s much left to say on them.
    The threads that seem to generate the most comments are those that are derailed to insults and nonsensical buzzwords. They’re boring and only indulge other’s intellectual inability for discussion.
    I still read around but rarely see anything which warrants prolonged conversation.

  24. Tangled writers hasn’t been updated in 10 years, needs new writers Dave A maybe .
    More and more threads are just simply right-wingers getting triggered by some news event that make them feel uncomfortable; ( irrespective of truth ) sometimes i just want to hand out comfort blankets and baby soothers .. Selah

  25. Frank O’Dwyer would be an asset to the stable of writers here. Informed, articulate and inciteful, for me Frank’s always a pleasure to read.

  26. yes paul
    how about a vote thread, and just ask people to vote a +1 to someone
    or the irish system 1st,2nd,3rd prefs .. lol counting into the early hours 🙂

  27. I find that some posts here which I think will develop into interesting and new conversations just don’t, which is dissapointing, and yet other posts rehashing the same tired stuff about Trump and collusion or political pointscoring over the Coronavirus pandemic end up filled with the same string of comments repeated – and yes I join in becasue that’s where the party is despite the same tracks being played again and again.

    While I also hold my hands up and admit I do wind up Harri (largely because there is nothing else you can do with him) I also find the tendency of people to quickly get angry and personal just becasue their opinions are challenged is also frustrating. Whatever happened to just saying “Ok I disagree with you and here’s why….and maintaining the debate at that tempo.

    I still enjoy being here though and while ATW is running, I will be around. 🙂

  28. consistency is the rule of thumb i think colm
    so for example if someone ( like me ) lashes out in a moment of anger and goes personal that’s a fault. But if the person ( me ) desists from that with that person ( say dave ) that’s progress.
    But if a person is triggered and that person ( Harri ) continues on each and every thread , that’s what ruins the site , like the drunk pissing on the tables. Nothing to be done with someone like that , humour or ignore . But ofc its tiresome .. and wrecks threads.

  29. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think we need to be serious and structured and to act like we are whispering in church all the time – we are also a bunch of guys (and the occasional girl) having a conversation so yes there is and should be room for joking and banter and some mockery – jeez it would really be boring otherwise, but the repetitive nature of certain individuals and on certain topics is tedious. But hey, we are not all the same and it would be even duller if we were 🙂

  30. fair enough colm
    for me it comes down to the subtle difference between habitual and repeat offenders

    so , for example pat for years was a repeat offender, ( troll ) but he’s worked on it and now its much less from him the name-calling of dumb, stupid, etc.
    same with habitual offenders like me, you can work with that, find ways to pull back .
    sentencing proves this , so example pat and i would likely be given probation as there is hope .
    Repeat offenders display no remorse of change of behaviour, so judges have no option but to increase sentencing, as all other options have be tried, but the recidivist has no desire to change; so he or she gets the rod,
    see the principle of gradation here:

    A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the backs of fools!
    Proverbs 26:3 🙂

  31. And yes I join in becasue that’s where the party is despite the same tracks being played again and again.

    I think boredom has made us all guilty of that particular crime to differing degrees Colm.

    Whatever happened to just saying “Ok I disagree with you and here’s why….and maintaining the debate at that tempo.

    Because very often such patient explanation of logic is met with scornful inanities and derision. It’s anti intellect.

    I would propose Frank, Seimi, Noel, Masterson and although he wouldn’t have it, Colm as new additions to the writing pool. Interestingly four of the five above are all Irish of from Irish stock. That was asolutely coincidental.

  32. Paul @ 11.28 – Very kind – but I almost spat out my coffee and totalled the computer when I read that. If drafted, I will not run, if nominated I will not accept, if elected I will not serve

    Honestly I have no idea how people keep coming up with these blogs on a regular basis. It would take me all my energies just to come up with one.

  33. Paul

    I’m flattered to be included in that esteemed list. However with such a disproportionate number of Irish heritage individuals added to the roster of editors that could result in accusations of “Green Privilege” 🙂

  34. we need a woman to replace patty/monica
    colm if you were to succumb to the zeitgeist of our time and transition / transgender I for one would welcome “sister colm” as out new writer ( ducks ) lol

  35. What are you trying to turn this site into Paul, Slugger O’Vance?! 🙂

  36. kurt

    There is another option. One of our regulars could become a new ‘female’ guest writer – Harriet ? 🙂

    On a serious note, I could possible be tempted to offer an occasional guest post if I think of a topic I would like to air a longer view on.

  37. ATW is static and declining Charles. Most of the input is dependent on Pat and Pete and while their efforts are pretty Heculean it’s also pretty repetitive and the same issues, discussion & arguments usually get rehashed. Oddly enough, with such a heavy concentration of Irish and second generation Irish, Irish issues are pretty scarce here.

    Mahons ran an interesting thread the other day about the formation of a coalition gov in the twenty six and it fell off the radar after a few comments.

  38. Mahons does try to, bless you for that M
    if someone got rights to blog then the occasional punt from me colm and Harriet would not be out of order . I have at pains tried to encourage above H to write a piece on black on black crime for example in chicago / london that clearly matter to him. there should be a place for that. It would curtail derailing .
    The latest string of evil perverts comitting sex crime underage turned out all to be an all white gang, so I think the import 3rd world and you get 3rd world is going to have to be dropped on that front. sorry to disappoint !

  39. Paul, I agree that ATW is a blog now looking for its reason for existence. Once a fiercely loyalist blog, now inhabited mostly by Irish republicans and Americans, it ambles around looking for its mojo. New blood would be appreciated, but I think DV is against it.

    I think you made some good picks. Noel is a wonderful writer, as is Seimi. The comments section has become a bore, as debate has been replaced by the invective of a few bad apples.

  40. You wanted this world.

    Well, now you have got it…

    Enjoy…

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1277212889749880841?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  41. as debate has been replaced by the invective of a few bad apples.

    I assume I am one of those bad apples?

    I am more than in agreement to slip into obscurity, and fuck off, and leave the rest of you to it.

    Just say the word.

    It’s just what ATW needs right now, people leaving the site..

    Again. You give civil, you get civil in return. That much is bloody well obvious.

    What part of that do some bad apples on ATW…not get?

    It’s not rocket science.

    Look, if someone who has been banned three times from ATW, and still return like a bad smell for a fourth go at it is accepted on ATW spouting bile, is it any wonder ATW has lost its mojo?

  42. It’s just what ATW needs right now, people leaving the site..

    I don’t think you’ll leave ATW Harri, you have stated a few times before you were going to leave and are still here. If you were to leave however while the volume of comments would decrease I don’t think that it would affect the level of discussion as your purpose here seems to be focused or scorn and derision more than conversation.

  43. Harri

    kurt has mentioned his banning, and said that he has learned from the experience. If he behaves like that again, he may well get banned again. hopefully not, but it could happen.
    You keep bringing up his banning, and now you seem to be attributing his bans and ultimate return to the site as one of the reasons the site has taken a downward turn. It isn’t. As others have said, the majority of the posts are coming from two main sources, and as much as they, Pete M and PaTroll, should be congratulated for their efforts, the subject matter has become somewhat repetitive at times, so much so that you can nearly predict the ensuing comments.
    More posts from more people would generate more interesting comments. You, for example, have been asked to contribute a post. Why don’t you? It is difficult to come up with constant fresh ideas, but if every commentator were to go away and come up with one original post each, that might give the site a much needed shot in the arm. Surely that would be a good thing?
    As for the bad apples comment: it’s not so much that anyone in particular is a bad apple, but to take your case in point, it is the constant trolling, sniping and derailing of threads with pointless, childish comments and questions that is irritating, for me anyway. Others may disagree, and some of us may get pleasure from the wind-up and ensuing meltdown, but in reality, interesting posts and comments are lost in the playground behaviour.
    Perhaps moderation of one’s behaviour, and thinking before posting might be a good idea?

  44. Nobody should be banned unless they say something genuinely libelous or which could expose the site to criminal prosecution. People should express their opinions but never reveal anything personal they may know about an individual here who doesn’t consent to that information being made public.

  45. While I also hold my hands up and admit I do wind up Harri (largely because there is nothing else you can do with him)

    Do with him?

    Colm, your arrogance is simply staggering.

    Colm.

    Maybe you are one of those bad apples then?

    You wind no one up..

    What you do, is try to be all clever, and offer nothing but snide remarks and insults.

    And, if you haven’t noticed, that’s exactly what you get in return.

    But I think you know this already?

  46. Nobody should be banned unless they say something genuinely libelous or which could expose the site to criminal prosecution.

    Like guest posting from the copyright Palmer report website..word for word.

    And Kurt wonders just why Patrick is not that keen to guest post his Copyright infringement.

    Patrick is correct, he is simply protecting DV and ATW.

  47. Nobody should post someone else’s work without acknowledging or crediting the original source. In my humble opinion posts should be personally written opinion pieces with any other supporting text embedded as hyperlinks only.

  48. Harri,
    kurt has written several posts which have been published on the site. Rather than complaining about one that wasn’t, why don’t you write something yourself?

  49. Seimi.

    You could always do a post?

    And the only “meltdowns” are in Kurts mind.

    Noel once asked me to possibly, a long time ago mind, about 8 years ago I believe, on surviving a heart attack.

    I never did get around to it.

    Maybe I should.

    After all, we are all here on ATW, middle or old aged white constantly enraged gammons.

    Even Kurt.

    And you can’t possibly get anymore gammonesque that that.

    😉

  50. Harri,
    kurt has written several posts which have been published on the site. Rather than complaining about one that wasn’t, why don’t you write something yourself?

    Seimi.

    Kurt, has written nothing.

    What he has done is added a title, and then copy & pasted from the Palmer report.

    Without written permission.

    A monkey could that.

  51. harri

    I do write posts. Check back – I’ve written quite a few.

    Maybe I should.

    Yes you should.

    After all, we are all here on ATW, middle or old aged white constantly enraged gammons.

    Even Kurt.

    And you can’t possibly get anymore gammonesque that that.

    This is exactly the sort of boring, trolling bullshittery that annoys people and prompts them to have a go at you. Kurt is not a Gammon, as defined by the dictionary definition – you are. But your insistence on taking other people’s jibes/insults about you and firing them back at them verbatim is childishly stupid and irritating, and causes people like myself to come to the conclusion that you have no original thoughts of your own.

  52. kurt,

    Tangled writers hasn’t been updated in 10 years, needs new writers Dave A maybe .

    Be careful what you wish for. 🙂

  53. All of my guest posts have been extensively hyperlinked as pat can testify to. I don’t pass of his work as my own . Instead I link to it like everyone else does .

  54. Kurt, has written nothing.

    What he has done is added a title, and then copy & pasted from the Palmer report.

    Without written permission.

    A monkey could that.

    If you think you can do better, then write something, instead of the constant sniping. You don’t like kurt, yes we know. But if even a monkey could do better, then you have a go, instead of having a go at him.

  55. Harri

    Lets see if all of us at least for today just post our opinions without attacking anyone else. How about as a refreshing change, go over to the “freedom of speech under threat” post and give our opinions on the topic being discussed there. There is only 3 comments so far, it could do with more 🙂

  56. My offer still stands..

    Just say the word, and I will politely bid you all farewell, it’s been at most times very entertaining over many years.

    Through good and bad.

    I will happily fuck off “as a bad apple” into obscurity from ATW.

    And watch on while Kurt hangs himself…again.

    Just say the word.

    Colm will just have to find someone else to pretend to wind up..

    You give civil, you get civil.

    Correct Colm?

  57. My above comment should be addressed not to Harri but to all here.

  58. Kurt, has written nothing

    No, I don’t think tha’s entirely true. I think that Kurt has written a few posts which have had others’ text linked and referenced.

  59. Just say the word, and I will politely bid you all farewell,

    Speaking for myself, I have never and would never ask anyone to leave, so you won’t ever get ‘the word’ from me Harri 🙂

  60. lets go through them here’s one

    https://www.atangledweb.org/?p=75113

    find me one Harri that is all palmer cut n paste and no links , put up or shut up ?

  61. I will happily fuck off “as a bad apple” into obscurity from ATW

    I can’t speak for the others but I would like to see you stay and try to involve yourself in discussion rather than filling up bandwidth with seemingly continuous derision, mocking, nonsensical sayings etc.

    Why don’t you try doing a blog as Seii says? I for one would be interested in it.

  62. If you think you can do better, then write something, instead of the constant sniping. You don’t like kurt, yes we know. But if even a monkey could do better, then you have a go, instead of having a go at him.

    Seimi.

    I have had some good polite conversations with Kurt, from giving him my admiration for looking after his elderly parents during Covid19 to offering Kurt advice on purchasing an electric bike, (correct Kurt) butKurts disdain and bigoted anti-white views soon fear it’s ugly head (gammons, blah, blah blah) and it’s off we go again.

    As for Charles and his “bad apples” personally I have never, ever uttered a single word in anger or angst with Charles, I hold him in absolute and total respect, perhaps those bad apples are not where he first seems?

  63. *Seimi says.

  64. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Instead of trolling and sniping, why not write something constructive?

  65. Harri

    If you get as much pleasure from coming to ATW every day as I do, I would never want you to fuck off. But it’s telling that you see your self as a bad apple. That’s good. To thine own self be true. We can all improve our debating skills. I know I have a lot of room for improvement! 🙂

  66. Kurt isn’t ‘anti white.’ Being anti racist is not being anti white. Don’t be ridiculous.

  67. We are none of us bad apples, but we all have mouldy bits that we need to cut out and discard 🙂

  68. Keep your medical conditions to yourself, Colm 😂

  69. OK the bad apples thing was a one off. Nobody get their prick bend out of shape over it!

  70. I think in the past ATW covered a far higher number of issues. And to be fair this isn’t just a criticism of ATW, it is something that has dominated the politics of both the US and Britain. In the past American and British politics focused on issues (healthcare, education, the economy, foreign policy, policing and justice etc…) and so there were spirited discussions on ATW on whether the UK government’s new healthcare law was a good idea, or what should the future of the education system should be, or is Obama’s economic reforms are good idea. Increasingly, on both sides of the debate (in the wider US and and ATW) on American politics has focused on the personality of The Donald (and his collection of underlings) and less of any focus on the issues. And even when the issues are discussed they are discussed about the personality of The Donald, not about the issue itself. The impact of The Donald on the economy, rather than a discussion on the economy itself. Similarly in terms of British politics it has been a focus on Brexit. Any, and every, issue was viewed through the lense of Brexit, Remainer vs Brexiter.

    And I’m not saying I dislike those new conversations. I can give my own on the debates around The Donald and the did they/didn’t they debates around the corruption of his posse. Similarly I have strong views on Brexit. But we could probably do with a broader range of issues, a broader range of conversations.

  71. On reflection, I don’t have any mouldy bits, I am a perfectly juicy ripe green piece of fruit…. so bite me 🙂

  72. Good words Seamus, which is why my offer in an earlier comment for us to move onto other posts like the “freedom of speech” one here and discuss something different, like the roles of Parliament v government and what we think the limits of free speech should be might be a refreshing change from Donald and The Virus !

  73. paul you’ve done a few posts
    these are the ingredients i think are necessary:
    present the story as you see it, polemic or otherwise; back it up with some hyperlinks if you’re going to use other people’s ideas – appeal to reasoned argument.
    I think my anti-christ thread demonstrated all three and left it to readers to make up their mind if they found the presentation persuasive . I thought it was a reasonable effort no more than that , good enough though .
    when i refer to palmer report its in the comments like I was saying to colm the other day , have a look. Its just a news site like the guardian and we all have our go-to places
    Nothing wrong with that .
    At least allan uses hyperlinks, the fact that no-one looks at them is another story 😉

  74. I have to say, and it has been mostly aimed at the conflagration of videos as posts in recent months, but I’m not a fan of the “using other people’s ideas” as a post bit. Make an argument. Present your own ideas. I want an argument with Patrick, with Charles, with Paul and Colm etc… I don’t want an argument with a proxy for Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson, or anyone else for that matter.

  75. hear hear, its just laziness seamus and abuse of position otherwise.
    i find most of petem’s threads come from guido fawkes and similiary as you mentioned.
    I’m all for the attempt to raise the game and make an arguemt, you’ve been consistently calling for that in the comments and its a credit to you !

  76. I do also find it a bit frustrating where for example you have the newly resurrected inclusion now of posts by Mike Cunningham which although sometimes a bit too long and rambling , can be worth a debate, but as he is the writer of the post naturally people will want to question and debate his opinions directly with him but he never engages in the subsequent discussion. I think anyone who puts up a post should at least pop in and take part in anyconsequent thread that develops.

  77. i think it would be amazing Harri, if rather than go trawling through threads to find dirt on others, whilst your own sins are glaring, you’d better employ your time to write something and offer it to pat for posting . I for one would be very interested to read how you write, how you make your points and what makes your conclusions.~
    writing is a form of baring your soul, you reveal your thought patters and how you arrive at things; you’re always gonna have Mahons around to demolish the whole thing in one line
    but that’s the beauty of ATW 😉

  78. I want an argument with Patrick, with Charles, with Paul and Colm etc…

    I don’t want an argument with anyone. What I want is for my opinions to be challenged through multi-way discussion.

  79. Seimi, on June 28th, 2020 at 3:48 PM Said:
    Kurt isn’t ‘anti white.’ Being anti racist is not being anti white. Don’t be ridiculous.

    Seimi.

    I openly admit, many of your posts are welcome and sensible. I do believe you once either done a post, or possibly even a comment on the passing of your father, it was not so long after my Mother & Father passed, it was touching, I appreciated it, and it bought me some solace in a time of need, and I thank you for that.

    That isn’t one of them.

    Kurt has had run-ins with just about everyone on ATW.

    Even Dave Alton, who described him as I have on several occasions as one “nasty piece of work”

    I was correct, and so was Dave.

    Do I despise Kurt?

    No, but he despises this supposed gammon, and therein lies the difference.

    Back to the being banned three times from ATW thing?

    I haven’t been banned, you, or as far as I can make out, no one else, no matter how much of a bad apple they might have been on ATW, have even been banned once, let alone three times?

    Look, and this is directed solely at Kurt, put away your anti-white bigoted racist views, at least pretend to have the patience some sort of tolerance towards us old whitey gammons.

    😉

    Again.

    The offer is still there.

    Just say the word.

  80. multi-way discussion.

    Polite term for an orgy 🙂

  81. ahh colm there’s a diff between an argment and a row
    I am sure seamus is using the term “argument” in its pure form as defined as something which elicits strong response and opposing views . Its more a technical term
    what is your argument , as in what is your view ?

    multi-way is that like 3 in a bed ? gosh its sunday colm .. puleese 😉

  82. “I don’t want an argument with anyone. What I want is for my opinions to be challenged through multi-way discussion.”

    Which is what I meant by argument. A discussion, a debate, a forthright exchange of views. Not a slegging match.

  83. kurt

    It was Paul that questioned the word not me !

  84. Harri
    If one person here – just one – took you up on your self-pitying offer to leave – would you do it? I severely doubt it. I believe its nothing more than attention-seeking nonsense.

    You’re doing exactly what I said you do – childish name-calling and disruption, with your constant sniping at Kurt. Give it a rest.

  85. So.

    Just to be clear.

    This bad apple, could have, going by the above posts, just could have possibly inadvertently bought in a new, polite, respectful and interesting closer relationship within the regular ATW family?

    At least my ATW demise has been of some beneficial value to ATW, and it’s range of mostly interesting contributors from many parts of the world.

    Long may you all continue.

    😉

  86. Seimi.

    Enjoy Kurt.

    😉

  87. Polite term for an orgy 🙂

    Fair cop.

    This bad apple, could have, going by the above posts, just could have possibly inadvertently bought in a new, polite, respectful and interesting closer relationship within the regular ATW family?

    I don’t think you’ll go H, and I wouldn’t like to see you go either. As for the politeness and respect, it’s you constant sniping, deriding and mocking which is usually the cause of it, (I don’t say that as an insult but as an objective viewpoint based on my opinion).

    I really wish that you would try more interaction regarding discussion here and would personally look forward to you running a few blogs.

  88. When did “not sticking to the topic of the post” became a problem? Back in the day no self respecting ATW thread ever stuck to the topic of the post, nor any topic. Some of those threads got to hundreds of posts.

    This is a classic in its own way. Nothing to do with the post topic, of course, that’s a given. Plus threats to leave combined with a spontaneous breaking out of football in no-man’s land. It’s now only missing something to do with Tesco providing healthcare and/or selling guns, a mention of the Albigensian Crusades, Global Warming, Develera, the Holocaust, and some tunes. All leading to a crescendo of ultimatums related to some obscure 2013 feud involving half of the posters, some of whom apparently left years ago.

  89. Harri

    If you choose to leave – and I don’t want you to – it won’t be because you were pushed or asked to. I don’t know why you feel that is the option you are being lead to.

  90. Kurt, put away your anti-white bigoted racist views

    “I am white, I’m neither a bigot nor a racist ” , there’s not much more i can say.

    its obvious i and others get under your skin, pointing out your bigotry and racism , and that explains the obsession and psychotic attempts to undermine us by referring to us as loons.
    Like that means you won and dished it out , are you serious?

    c’mon now no cry-baby talk here of leaving, get your arse into gear mate and write the fucking article on black on black crime in Chicago and London, at least you’ll have gotten it off your chest , and sometimes that’s all that writing does, e.f Like Cunningham latest missive.
    He knows its a load of codswallop, but at least he wrote it and got it off his chest .

  91. Frank

    I totally agree – threads don’t need to stick to a Topic. They can and should go on wonderful journeys across many different and even weird paths.

    I remember one famous post which started on a post about- I think -North Korea , moved onto a technical sharing of info on Bicycles and ended up in a detailed discussion (and this was specific and genuine) on the political possibility of Allan being allowed to make a Black Forest Gateaux for Israeli troops !

    Now that’s a thread !

  92. Seimi.

    No offence intended.

    Self-pity?

    What? Like when someone in New York 5000 miles away mentioned a “little green book”

    You were off in a blaze of glory and righteous indignation, you even got all legal on his sorry arse.

    That sort of self-pity?

    And well, all is forgiven, and here you are..

    Again, you give civil, you get civil in return, you give snide remarks, you get that back too, in droves.

    Now, I am definitely at a crossroads here, do I take the advice as a “bad apple” and fuck off into obscurity? Look on in, and watch Kurt hang himself..again, for a fourth time.

    Or, spend many hours of my otherwise quality time as part of the dysfunctional, but mostly enjoyable and entertaining long standing member of the ATW family of differing delinquents, learning stuff along the way, just not admitting it?

  93. Colm, on June 28th, 2020 at 4:36 PM Said:
    Frank
    I totally agree – threads don’t need to stick to a Topic. They can and should go on wonderful journeys across many different and even weird paths.

    And wonderfully they do.

    Just don’t be so quick witted to post more than one post at a time..

    It’s strictly verboten, and open to ridicule.

    Long live free speech, but only as long as it’s allowed in one, or at the most..two posts.

    😉

  94. its obvious i and others get under your skin, pointing out your bigotry and racism , and that explains the obsession and psychotic attempts to undermine us

    Us?

    Who are “us”?

  95. c’mon now no cry-baby talk here of leaving, get your arse into gear mate and write the fucking article on black on black crime in Chicago and London,

    Do you live in a cave?

    Why would some gammon who lives in rural (we only grow turnips farmer) have to post about black crime and murders in Chicago or London?

    Do you not receive any news, or have an internet connection in that cave?

  96. Harri

    There should be no limits on the number of opinions you or any of us should post. By all means post several comments in a row , if they contain fresh new opinions. Its when someone posts several comments in pursuit of one individual or repeatedly insulting one person that it becomes problematic.

    Lets just all keep things above the level of sourness and bitterness, and not resort to “but what about xxx “

  97. He knows its a load of codswallop, but at least he wrote it and got it off his chest .

    Black crime in Chicago or London is codswallop?

    Kurt.

    Do a post on ATW about it.

  98. Harri,

    I am more than in agreement to slip into obscurity, and fuck off, and leave the rest of you to it.

    I don’t think anyone wants you leave Harri.

    Just say the word.

  99. Lets just all keep things above the level of sourness and bitterness, and not resort to “but what about xxx “

    I’m not the one who admits to winding people up Colm.

    Colm.

    You admire Kurt, good for you.

    You are welcome to him.

    😉

  100. Why would some gammon who lives in rural (we only grow turnips farmer) have to post about black crime and murders in Chicago or London?

    why? because its one of your obsessions here on ATW, and IS actually worthy of a proper post
    are you afraid to? when was last time you wrote a piece of prose ? Its ok if its been 30 years, can you not rise to the challenge as a way of temperance ?
    I guess not .. people will take a dim view of that as you know !

  101. Harri

    Its not about admiring anyone. Its not about me, you, kurt or anyone else. Its about getting the quality of discussion and debates up here (in which we all play a part) but not forgetting we are not saints – we can all have a bit of jokey fun too. That’s all.

  102. Dave.

    I believe you and I, have never had a bad word to speak about each other?

    More or less..

    There is only one seriously “nasty piece of work” on this site.

    You know who he is, so do I, and just about everyone else I suspect.

    They just simply don’t have the balls to admit it.

  103. No Harri, there are no ‘nasty pieces of work’ on this site, just people who have political disagreements. I think however my attempts to to try and lower the temperature between some regulars here are not working for which I am saddened. I asked for all of us at least for today to stop attacking any other individuals but I think that is proving impossible.

  104. Yes Colm.

    I have had many jovial late night, let’s call them discussions for arguments sake.

    Enjoyed them all.

    But Kurt the poisonous is always lurking the background.

    Colm.

    I have never been banned, you have never been banned, Kurt has been banned…three times.

    We are not the problem here my friend.

  105. one of those bans was when you went crying to David Vance, my goodness you really are something, a weak person who can’t take up a challenge and write a simple thread on a subject that concerns you
    Yes colm, we can all see Harri can’t take the medicine he gives and is just on the same old rant about me, whilst avoiding himself .. despite the fact we’re all reached out to him
    Shame shame shame

  106. You know who he is, so do I, and just about everyone else I suspect.

    They just simply don’t have the balls to admit it.

    Harri, what kind of incredibly ridiculous allegation is that?

    And just to be completely clear on the issue, I don’t think Kurt’s a ‘nasty piece of work’ at at all although your seemingly endless commentary on him does seem a bit obsessive.

  107. one of those bans was when you went crying to David Vance

    Really?

    And the other two?

  108. kurt and harri

    This isn’t helping. I think its advisable for you both not to address comments directly to each other.

  109. Harri,

    I believe you and I, have never had a bad word to speak about each other?

    We’ve had quite a few disagreements over the years Harri, but we always kiss and make up.

    There is only one seriously “nasty piece of work” on this site.

    To be fair Harri, when I called kurt ‘a nasty piece of work’, it was in response to his repeated nasty comments about Liverpudlians and northerners in general.
    kurt had made many comments over the years about how stupid and lazy northerners, Liverpudlians and Manchurians are and I felt I had to call him out on it. Especially as he’s very passionate about fighting racism. I felt this double standard had to be pointed out.

    I don’t believe kurt, (or anyone else on this site in so far as I can know them), is a bad person. I’m sure like ourselves, he’s a good person at heart.

  110. Dave.

    Agree mate.

    But Kurts benevolence doesn’t appear to extend to Scousers, Northerners, or those two types of Inbred Americans?

    You are absolutely correct, hypocrisy doesn’t even come close.

  111. Almost forgot..

    selah.

  112. ok colm

    Dave you know i don’t defend those comments, and they’re not things i would say in future
    I think I’ve seen the error of my ways, and you’re right they don’t fit with fighting injustice, so thanks for pointing that out ( I can say that now, i wasn’t so grateful at the time was I ? ) 😉

  113. I don’t believe kurt, (or anyone else on this site in so far as I can know them), is a bad person. I’m sure like ourselves, he’s a good person at heart

    Well said Dave.

    H, Kurt seems to be metaphorically living inside you.

  114. Harri’s posts are becoming as self-obsessed as Logical Unionist’s, and that takes some doing!
    If you would like me to address – again – why I decided to stop commenting here, all you have to do is ask.
    Now dry your eyes, pull up your pants and wise up. Nobody has asked you to ‘fuck off’ from the site. That’s all in your head.

  115. Kurt.

    Dave didn’t point those racist bigoted comments out…I did.

    Dave let it go, I won’t.

  116. I think in all honesty there are times when people here -including myself- can when in certain moods and under certain stimulating influences (polite term for pissed as a fart or high as a kite) say things we know we shouldn’t. We can fall below our usual standards and shouldn;t have those lapses held against us for ever more – unless the lapses become more frequent than the rest of our comments !

  117. Amen colm , that’s the where the rubber meets the road ..

  118. I’ve said things here I’ve regretted saying and was wrong to say.
    Nobody is perfect.

  119. Is this going to turn into a confessional thread ? 🙂

  120. lol colm
    fathers Noel and Mahons to give us the penances later
    phantom missing ? but mostly likely would say ” nothing to confess ” anyway , hahaha
    bless him, but there one who never admitted he got anything wring in 15 years
    phuuuck what a burden that is … yikes .. its not fer me that .. nooo way .
    confess, dealt with, even the short sharp shock and you woi’t do it again will ya ? 😉

  121. I don’t mind being the priest. I am happy to receive you all in my confessional box 🙂

  122. hahaha
    get dear tom in , he’s full of fear, bless him
    most of USA will get their joy come Nov 2020
    I’m stealing a bit for myself at the moment as I’ve never been more certain of a Biden landslide than before, pat knows it all over and has tucked the tail in .

    But lets not go forward to a stifling anarcho-leftist marxist identity politics guilt ridden world, lets do something really big .and bring people together , focus on what unites us not what divides us.
    One day we’ll have a true saint in the white house I predict, and he/she will do wonderful things in terms of social justice , and preach and act upon the real Christian message not the fake nasty BS we get from the crazies . But that day is not today, and Trump is NOT the chosen one. He is I’m afraid a child of the devil . 127 days to go , and lots more damage to be inflicted from satans lil helper .. Be strong .. Pray you can endure it without losing your mind !!
    nite nite ..

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