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Updated, and a more proper perspective

By Patrick Van Roy On June 30th, 2020

This a follow up on the post below of the gentleman defending his home with much more detail, along with others getting fed up with the bullshit.

82 Responses to “Updated, and a more proper perspective”

  1. The view of an individual with a well know balanced Perspective from both sides of the political fence !

  2. Several times tucker repeats the lie the mob were murderous .

  3. this is the one stat the REALLY matters to the USA
    Guess what fox and friends aren’t talking about it
    this is why Trumps on his way out

    new confirmed cases per millions residents

  4. “For more than a month, mobs of violent, crazy people…the education cartel…police forces emasculated…the jackals descended on the McCloskeys…it definitely wasn’t peaceful, it was murderous…self defence is racist…” – Tucker Carlson

    …a more proper perspective.

    You mean, he is saying what I am thinking. Or possibly, he is telling me what to think.

  5. This mob was clearly intent on violence

    (4.43)

    Defend the NcCloskeys from antifa

    (6.o2)

    Both patently untrue.

    Carlson is at best trying to project professionally lazy assumptions and at worst trying to misinform with blatant, sensationalist untruths. I personally think that it’s the latter and that Carlson is a deliberate liar.

    You need to distinguish between ‘detail’ and opinionated propaganda.

  6. The wife of that “gentleman” with a gun, who was also brandishing a pistol, should have her permit revoked. If the gun was loaded and ready to fire, she could have blown hubby’s head off as she was for a time pointing her pistol directly at the back of his neck at point blank range.

  7. You don’t need a gun permit in Missouri

    You don’t even need one to conceal carry

  8. I’ve just watched the video again and noticed that none of the gunslingers are wearing shoes which means that they literally reached for their guns before their shoes.

    There’s a metaphor for sections of American society there somewhere.

  9. Is there any evidence at all that these people were threatened by the protesters at any point

    To me, it is entirely understandable that they were frightened by having this mob appear before them – The only purpose of a demonstration, esp a big one, in a residential neighborhood is to frighten the residents – But I want to see evidence that threats were issued if possible ( The threats may not have been recorded, So it might not be possible to verify it )

  10. Paul

    Perhaps they were literally demonstrating one of the figurative claims the gun nuts always come out with:

    “The bastards will have to take my goddam shoes before I let them take my guns… 🙂

  11. They tore down the gate in front of the community and that is the McCloskeys DRIVEWAY those people are in NOT the street.

    Now if you want to believe that a mob descending on your house coming up your driveway weren’t shouting death threats but were singing koombyah it may fit with your TDS, but not reality.

  12. Patrick.

    Would you mind sending me your email address please mate.
    Cheers.

  13. I don’t see any credible reports that they tore down the gate

    I don’t necessarily believe Tucker Carlson when he says that

    Can you show me a picture of the destroyed gate. It should be all over the local media

    Again, I have been to gated communities, those gates tend to be pretty substantial.

  14. Dave

    I sent you an email

  15. They tore down the gate in front of the community and that is the McCloskeys DRIVEWAY those people are in NOT the street

    No they didn’t.

    After this video clip aired BLM/Antifa actually put out a bulletin asking for this mans name, the names of his family, the name of who he works for, or what business he owns. to and I quote WE MUST DESTROY THIS MANS LIFE

    Can you link to verification of this claim?

  16. to be fair to this couple, and in light of recent events in the US, if I saw a mob descending on my house as they did and I was armed, I probably reach for my gun as well.

  17. Even when “we’re on your side”, stones can be thrown through your windows though in an entirely peaceful manner…….hilarious 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jCpUMUezzY

  18. Dave, as I explained to Charles last night, if it had been me and I had been worried I would have taken up a defensive position at/ in my property. I certainly wouldn’t have been out waving guns in protestor’s faces and telling them to move on.

    This was supposedly a private street. I wonder how many other houses they passed and didn’t attack until this happened?

  19. Paul.

    Perhaps going outside and waving the guns wasn’t a good idea. But having watched the video I don’t think this couple were being deliberately confrontational, I think they were genuinely scared.

  20. Perhaps although as I said again last night, I think the actions are indicative of the paranoid fear of crime which, as I have occasionally spoken about, in my experience from being there pervades US society.

  21. I wonder if they are afraid of being sued? Otherwise, why have two lawyers hired a lawyer to deal with the fallout from this.

  22. I think the actions are indicative of the paranoid fear of crime which, as I have occasionally spoken about, in my experience from being there pervades US society.

    Paul – is there a difference between a fear of crime and a paranoid fear of crime? Is there no reason in the US to fear crime?

  23. I’m not particularly ” afraid of crime ” and I don’t think that any of the people I know, from multiple states, are.

    In any event this wasn’t any normal fear of crime situation.

    This was couple who lives on a quiet street, suddenly confronted to a large mob, who had come their to frighten and intimidate people, in the aftermath of violent ” demonstrations ” in St Louis and throughout the country.

    I do not think that I would have done what they did, but I’m not wearing their shoes.

  24. Even on this site, I don’t think that there are many Americans who are ” afraid of crime ” , other than Patrick.

    There is always the possibility of it, but there is the possibility of being hit by lightning also.

  25. There is some crime in rural Montana or Scotland also.

  26. I’m just speaking of personal empirical observation when I was there. I’ve spoken before of how it was my perception and may be incorrect.

    But I’m not wearing their shoes.

    Neither were they.

  27. Not blowing my own trumpet here, just stating a fact to make my point, I’m a reasonably tough guy and I don’t scare easily. but a few years ago when I happened to be in Manchester at the same time as an antifa protest which turned nasty, I was genuinely worried for my safety.
    I can understand how this couple would have been frightened on seeing these protesters march through their Street. Especially if the claims they took a gate down to gain access are true.

  28. Like yourself and others here Dave I come from a working class background from what can be a tough city and have seen my fair share of scrapes.

    If it had been me I would have taken a defensive position in/at my property.

  29. To be honest Paul, so would I.
    I think coming out on the lawn armed, increases the likelihood of confrontation not lessons it. But in this situation people react differently.

  30. There is always the possibility of it, but there is the possibility of being hit by lightning also.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1293683/coronavirus-news-schools-reopening-lockdown-end-children-latest

    A NEW study has found that children under the age of 15 are more likely to be struck by lightning than die from Covid-19.

  31. But in this situation people react differently.

    Agreed, although I think it was a wrong overreaction.

  32. Dave,

    I know what you mean. About a year ago I was road raged by a young black man on the interstate. This guy was driving backwards in reverse at 60 mph to get me, swinging around my car, etc. It went on for miles. It’s the only time in my life I felt I needed a gun to protect myself. Luckily it didn’t go that far. But since then I’m a bit more afraid of crime. Am I Paranoid? You make the call.

  33. I’m never afraid in NYC, and I visit all areas, day or night, on foot or on the subway, including Harlem, East New York, Bronx.

    There’s a lot less ” fear ” than some of us think. If people were afraid, the trains would not be crowded at 1am, and in normal times, they are.

  34. Charles, crime exists and those of us who have been subjected to it are wary of it. I’ve been mugged, assaulted, assaulted with weapons, chased by people with knives and hammers etc and whilst I’m aware of crime and those of us from the inner city of what can be a tough city will have a natural antenna for such situations my experience of the fear of crime in the US was that it was all pervasive.

    I recently commented on this here when I explained how the Californian wife of my friend accepted me into their Belfast home and locked and bolted the door upon my entrance. When I asked her why she replied ‘habit’.

    It was my empirical observation of both my times in the US but my perception may be incorrect.

  35. // I had been worried I would have taken up a defensive position at/ in my property//

    They were obviously trying to scare the crowd off. Maybe their approach was right. If they had taken up a defensive position – presumably cowering behind windows or some protection with guns pointing out – the crowd may not have seen them and some may have been tempted to lob petrol bombs etc into the house, if they had that intent. Often defensive mode can accelerate the situation more than wild shows of a willingness to use a gun. It’s hard to say.

    // But I’m not wearing their shoes.

    Neither were they.//

    !!!

  36. I don’t think that I know anyone who has been mugged, or burglarized over the past 30 years.

    And I’ve never heard of any such incident in my immediate neighborhood either.

  37. Paul

    Actually I think you are spot on in your observations. If Phantom feels just as comfortable standing on Malcolm X Blvd at 1 am in an American inner city as rural Montana, God bless him, but I sure as hell wouldn’t.

  38. It’s apparently a private street Noel. I wonder how many unharmed properties the crowd passed before this?

    Whilst I appreciate that they may have been frightened I still think that there actions were overreactions and think that Tucker Carlson’s sensationalist and hyperbolic claims in the video above are the kind of fear-mongering which propagate this fear.

  39. Charles

    I didn’t say any US city.

    There is a hugely different vibe to inner city NYC than there is in north Philadelphia or Detroit.

  40. Patrick

    Don’t forget we need the photo evidence of the damaged front gate.

    My bullshit detector is tingling.

  41. Phantom,

    I stand corrected. I will admit that what happened to me, black on white violence, is unusual.

  42. No worries.

    But only violence by cops matters.

    Everything else is nothing to be concerned about.

  43. But only violence by cops matters

    No, that’s not true.

    The stuff we’re talking about here is a crime and the state has devoted vast resources and armies of people to tackle it. Indeed, it’s almost become an industry.

    State violence? Not so much:

    Denver, CO: casual conversation between a protestor and riot cop

    Bust in silhouette: “Can I ask you what’s going to happen at 8? Sir?”

    👮🏼‍♂️: “What’s gonna happen is we’re gonna start beating the fuck out of you.”

    https://twitter.com/TomthunkitsMind/status/1277926690182889473

  44. Charles

    I know what you mean. About a year ago I was road raged by a young black man on the interstate. This guy was driving backwards in reverse at 60 mph to get me, swinging around my car, etc.

    That’s scary mate. I’ve been involved with a couple of road rage incidents. One person in particular tried to overtake me and nearly ran me off the road. He then proceeded to drive unbelievably close behind me blowing his home with his lights full-on.
    Unfortunately I lost my temper, stopped my car in the middle of the road, (it was a narrow country road), got out of my car and proceeded to try and open the door of his car. He seemed quite surprised to see such a big guy get out of a Nissan Micra. He then did a bit of damage to his BMW as he did an impromptu three point turn, and drove off in the other direction.
    Things might have been very different if we were allowed to carry guns in the UK. 😨

  45. Luckily it didn’t go that far. But since then I’m a bit more afraid of crime. Am I Paranoid? You make the call.

    I agree Charles everybody reacts differently. And depending many variables such as your strength, gender and age, your level of fear in certain situations will be different.
    I don’t tend to be scared in most situations, but other people react differently.
    I remember when I was walking home late one night when I lived in the countryside down south and the girls walking in front of me obviously returning from a night out. she kept looking back at me, and I could tell she was really scared. Two people in the same situation reacting very differently.

  46. Road rage hard for me to understand.

    When behind the wheel, I try to put on my calm hat.

    If you want to pass me, go right ahead.

  47. Phantom.

    Believe it or not I’m incredibly chilled when I’m driving.
    I’m one of the few people in the UK who will slow down and let people overtake me.
    However in the instance I described above, the guy was trying to pass me on a narrow country road with oncoming traffic. I slowed down to let it pass, but he also had to slow down because there was a vehicle coming the other way which he very nearly collided with. After this, he literally tried to force me off the road.

  48. I remember when I was walking home late one night when I lived in the countryside down south and the girls walking in front of me obviously returning from a night out. she kept looking back at me, and I could tell she was really scared.

    If I’m on a deserted street at night and walking in front / behind a lone girl, Dave I always make a point of crossing to the other side of the street.

  49. //I don’t think that I know anyone who has been mugged, or burglarized over the past 30 years.

    And I’ve never heard of any such incident in my immediate neighborhood either.//

    What??? How times have changed. There isn’t one house on our row in a leafy suburb that hasn’t been burgled at least once.
    I and my son have been robbed on the street on different occasions (suitcase and computer from me, iPod, mobile phones etc from him.

  50. I’ve learned to chill on the road, but you never know how you will react in a specific situation

    Things that upset me 15 years ago don’t upset me now so much.

  51. //If I’m on a deserted street at night and walking in front / behind a lone girl, Dave I always make a point of crossing to the other side of the street.//

    Yes. And on the other hand, if I’m walking through town and a woman is walking before me carrying a bag in a vulnerable position, I always make a point of keeping an eye open. If some jerk tries to grab her bag or in any other way molest her, it’s going to be his unlucky day.

  52. If I’m on a deserted street at night and walking in front / behind a lone girl, Dave I always make a point of crossing to the other side of the street.

    So do I but in this instance we were both walking along a narrow country road going in the same direction. I thought if I stopped walking then she might get really scared if she couldn’t see me anymore. I actually shouted my name to her and told her I was renting a house in the village were approaching. I’m not sure if that helped.

  53. I always make a point of keeping an eye open. If some jerk tries to grab her bag or in any other way molest her, it’s going to be his unlucky day.

    Good man.

    So do I but in this instance we were both walking along a narrow country road going in the same direction

    Yeah, I imagined that to be the case, mucker.

  54. why don’t you all listen to the interview with the man who pulled his rifle.

    It is posted.

  55. I need to see the photo of the destroyed gate that you told us about.

    Let’s just start with that.

  56. Does the video explain the source of this?:

    After this video clip aired BLM/Antifa actually put out a bulletin asking for this mans name, the names of his family, the name of who he works for, or what business he owns. to and I quote WE MUST DESTROY THIS MANS LIFE

  57. “why don’t you all listen to the interview with the man who pulled his rifle.”

    Does he say anything interesting or is it just another propaganda piece?

  58. Why would BLM target this guy

    Pat, you’re being highly gullible here, not skeptical about anything.

  59. If some jerk tries to grab her bag or in any other way molest her, it’s going to be his unlucky day.

    Noel – the Paul Kersey of ATW !

  60. Charles – they aren’t afraid of being sued, they are afraid of not being able to sue. Hoe many black personal injury clients are going to have second thoughts? And what about St. Louis juries? So the lawyer they hired is trying to put the tooth paste back in the tube.

  61. PS Pat won’t respond to the bulletin verification request.

  62. Pat is the American Allan in the gullibility department

  63. first off fu both Phantom and Mahons and that’s just reading the last few comments.

  64. Please send the photo of the demolished front gate.

    You said it, so please back it up with something.

  65. here’s a story with a picture of the gate and an interview by a reporter from the local tv station a block away from the mans house at the MAYORS house had to flee because the Peaceful Protestors had an AK (but I’m sure she’s Lying also…….

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/blm-protesters-pull-ak47-rifle-curse-scream-local-ksdk-reporter-mob-action-mayor-krewsons-home-video/

    Phantom and Mahons are new york liberals one is a member of the party paying for all this destruction and the other shoved his head up his ass after Trump won, but both are totally brainwashed drones.

    The Mayor that they voted for is going to decide tomorrow whether or not he’s going to cut 1 Billion of the NYPD Budget. I hope he does, I hope that it causes a blueflu on 4th of july weekend and they get what they deserve.

    In the last 2 months NYPD has slowed it’s response time and what calls it answers. Violent crime in the Last 2 months has risen 300% in NYC. Cut a Billion and watch that number double.

    You get what you vote for and both of them are voting for the people supporting the rioters.

  66. here’s another picture in the Daily Mail

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8471859/Missouri-lawyer-couple-brandished-guns-protesters-say-fear-lives.html

    Why don’t you pull your head out of your ass…….

  67. I read that NYPD retirement requests are up 49%, and who can blame them. Take the money and get outta there.

  68. moral is low is an understatement

  69. Poor Patrick, he gets so upset when he’s asked to back up his own claims. No one attacked him for who he is, but questioned what he said. Note the continued failure to address the bulletin claim. The linked articles don’t identify when the gate was destroyed and it is a gate to the complex, not to his driveway.

  70. It’s all such a shame. After 9/11, the NYPD and FDNY where super heroes to the rest of the country under Rudy and Kerik. “New York values” were epitomized by men and women rushing towards the collapsing towers. How soon we forget their bravery, and side with the mob!

  71. As for the Mayor, I’m fairly certain Phantom didn’t vote for him. As a nonresident of the City, I couldn’t vote for him. Once again facts matter.

  72. I voted for Giuliani three times, and would never vote for De Blasio.

    Breaking down the gate to the complex is a criminal act. All those bums should be arrested. The residents had every reason to be concerned.

  73. Rudy is starring in a WH version of the movie
    Dumb and Dumber
    pat you got mail 🙂

  74. Unless I have missed something, nobody has mentioned the police in this story. Several hundred demonstrators cause a significant commotion by entering a private estate to demonstrate outside the mayor’s home an the police are nowhere to be seen ?

    I can’t imagine that happening here in the UK. Did the police turn up at any point ?

  75. Arrested for what? Anyone who broke fence should face whatever penalty exists. The rest appear to have been trespassing on a private road, although I don’t know if that is really anything more than a ticket.

  76. don’t think anyone got hurt, this whole story seems to be a massive nothing-burger
    The search for left-wing killers harbouring murderous plots goes on..

  77. kurt

    Im pretty sure the group had no intention of attacking anyone or any house there but I would have thought the police would be in attendance as a matter of course.

  78. Colm

    It used to be if you wanted to hold a protest, you applied to the city for a permit, which was granted, and given a police escort. Such genteel days are gone. If I were to bet, I’d say the police purposely stayed clear of the situation.

  79. well yes colm and at least nothing happened nothing was destroyed , I suspect there’s a lot of hurt feelings going on, people offended and the like, but not much more than that ,and they all lived happily ever after Nov 2020 🙂

  80. Charles hi
    the mob in Charlottesville a while back with the torches and uniforms and sinister SS emblesm was alot more scary than this; my guess is the protesters took a short cut though a fence that was open. We don’t know if they broke the fence. I think Pat is searching for the link , but coming up short each time .. Might be wrong been writing a guest post 🙂

  81. I think that Pat has answered the fence question just fine.

  82. I think people should stop automatically defending or attacking people in situations based on political sympathy. If someone on your side of the political fence behaves badly don’t be shy calling them out on it.