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The Under Current

By Patrick Van Roy On July 14th, 2020

92 Responses to “The Under Current”

  1. lol

    The Troll
    @TheCityTroll·
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    @JanitorPetshop

    He is not alone.

    pat you stockpiling man ? what you said on other thread about political violence
    let you walk it all back on this thread .. or retract in the interest of telling the truth

  2. i came across this guy who is a pastor. he’s spoken about dreams he’s had
    He saw all the trouble with the covid and the protest, but more importantly feels God spoke to him throughout and has a warning for Novemeber

    Now its not clear what he’s saying as regards who to vote for , as he doesn’t make it obvious.
    If you have 15 mins , have a listen. I’m not saying I support him in anyway
    Its just out there . and its ON-TOPIC

    tbh if you read 40 newspapers a day, as he says he does, you’re gonna have weird dreams
    But this guy is very honest and humble about what he’s been seeing / dreaming
    what ya think?

    Pastor Dana Coverstone Speaks of Dreams He’s Had: “Brace Yourselves!”

    https://youtu.be/_Gy6LrFLNn8

  3. He speaks well. Clearly that’s one bro who escaped the Dem plantation.

  4. So he’s giving everyone a week to “stop this motherfucking shit” or he’s gonna start a fight and sort everything ut all by himself !

    You say you want a revolution / Well, you know…

  5. Many of the most socially and intellectually conservative people you will ever meet are black people.

    They’re not Trumpers, they’re not Democrats, they are conservatives.

    They’re no majority, their numbers should not be overstated, but they’re not nothing.

    I know some of them, and I see others as I go about my business in NYC.

  6. no Kurt I have not. he’s not alone. There are many that are reaching the point of enough is enough.

    My saying he’s not alone is not an endorsement it’s a statement of fact an warning. The anger at what has been happening the last couple of months is very real. It is ignored by the msm for the reasons why see the post from person who resigned from the NYTs, but the reality is the gentleman above is very much NOT ALONE.

  7. I could see great anger in these people at those blacks ( and whites ) who trashed stores in their neighborhoods.

  8. Phantom

    I second that remark. He in El Paso the majority of blacks are retired military. Conservative, but not necessarily Republican. A retired black Two star General laughed in my face when I suggested in 2015 that Trump might be elected president, and he was a conservative.

  9. I see conservative blacks in their best clothes going to church on Sunday morning.

    And on the subway at 7am going to school with parents, studying. Strivers.

    And as you would know, very many Mexican Americans are socially and sometimes politically conservative. Many of them voted for GW Bush, who they knew and liked.

  10. This post is aptly named “the under current” because something is going on in this country that you can’t see, but you can feel. There is a buzz in the air, an electric current. I can’t put numbers to it like Seamus can, but it’s there like a rip tide at the beach. The backlash is building.

  11. Y’all are coming dangerously close to saying the only good blacks are the conservative church going republican voting posh speaking decently dressed nice middle class ones 🙂

  12. Careful Charles – you’ll trigger kurt with the last 4 words of your 10:10pm comment *

    * See the IT WILL NEVER STOP thread

  13. Those many who work and learn and who give respect to family neighbor and to the world, have my full admiration.

    Same as with any other group.

    Who do you admire?

  14. I admire anyone that spouts their beliefs nonviolently no matter what those beliefs are.

    The more outrageous the more respect if not admiration.

  15. “Those many who work and learn and who give respect to family neighbor and to the world, have my full admiration.”

    Conservatism is the new counter-culture.

  16. So you have increasing anger on both sides . One side sick to the teeth of the status quo . The other side sick to the teeth of trying to upset the status quo. It’s going to erupt .people will have to pick a side . Middle ground is shrinking .and all in the midst of a pandemic and a bust economy .
    Good time to take that 1 year sabbatical or 6 momth boat trip round the Mediterranean.
    How many dead how much destruction. Will USA survive ? And all those guns . Gonna be hell .
    Maybe a cancelled election maybe martial law .
    Fuck . Whose side are you on ?

  17. Lol Colm but there is a diff . Charles laments it petem enjoys it . That’s the separation.

  18. I like to sit on the fence. You get the best view there 😉

  19. Conservatism is the new counter-culture.

    That is true.

    Anyone can run around emoting and complaining all day.

    It takes a real man or woman to take responsibility and to act with dignity, self respect, regard for and service to others.

    Does anyone know anyone like that who is prominent in US or UK politics? I know many like that in real life.

  20. Splinters though Colm 🤣
    That’s the tragedy phantom because the GOP has abandoned it’s values like the ones you’ve just described . All the senators bar a couple are complicit in undermining the whole edifice of republicanism . The wrath that is to come is entirely self inflicted they can run around emoting and complaining all day long . It’s their cluster fuck

  21. Yes

    The Republican Party of today stands for nothing, apart from worship of a corrupt but entertaining individual.

    If Trump dropped dead tomorrow, there wouldn’t be a GOP anymore. Pence would go back to selling aluminum siding in Indiana, and Senator Graham would take a position at Jacoby & Meyers pursuing fake auto accident claims on a contingency fee basis.

    This is very bad for the future of US democracy. There isn’t a conservative party. There used to be one.

  22. and the Democrat Party today stands for Marx as delivered by Lenin.

  23. No that’s idiotic baby talk too.

    It stands for reverse racism, identity politics and free stuff.

    It doesn’t stand for anything else.

  24. Here’s a good speech

    https://www.google.com/search?q=impractical+jokers+yonkers+speech&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS777US777&oq=impractical+jokers+yonkers+speech&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.11719j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  25. I don’t think that’s true pat if Bernie had won maybe but he didn’t . The modern day democrat party espouses all those values phantom was referring to like respect for service personal responsibility . It’s quite in the middle ground plenty conservative plenty liberal plenty socialist .
    Simple to things decent healthcare education fairer taxes more lethal gun control measures . The extrem left is not the Dems and unlike your lot we’re not going to let the extremes take over the party .
    Ofc you claim they already have .
    But here’s the rub
    Trump was asked on hannitu yep I keep an eye on all of it . He was asked what are his policies for 2nd term . He came up with sweet fuck all just carried on moaning about like and the media was so unfair .
    In contrast Bidens team are putting flesh on the bones so come Nov there will be a real choice to be made .
    That’s how to win elections talk about policy

  26. here Phantom, same one I think. please check

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Bm3HaOldw

  27. Bernie had his Honeymoon in Moscow at the height of the cold war Kurt…….

  28. Phantom come off it man . There are wings to every party . Some in democrat circles are like that identity politics free stuff revere racism . But it’s not the drivers . It’s reactions to Trumps malfeasance.
    See the quality we have in the likes of Schiff many many others these are decent moral people .
    You’re throwing it all away because of in your own words a few BLM bums . Fight man fight

  29. T

  30. The quality centrist Democrats of years past simply don’t exist anymore.

    Patrick that is the same, fine speech.

    Like the Gettysburg address, or something.

  31. I’m sure he hsd a nice time pat .
    Your party is so far up Putin’s ass you don’t know where you might as well hand over the keys of the WH to Vlad the Impaler

  32. I don’t know why you say that phantom the house is full of principle democrats and the senate. FFS we watch the house committees they’re on TV . You’re lucky to have them . Fine people . You’re mixing up different things . You weren’t saying this at Xmas . So what has changed for you ?
    Reactions to the riots protests ? By a handful .
    Over reacting .come the election season and the policies Dems will be the voice of intelligent smart leadership able to solve USA problems as the GOP slide into a generation of being in the wilderness .
    I guarantee this 🔥

  33. Someone said voting for Biden to replace Trump is like changing your shirt cause you crapped in your pants.
    I thought it was funny cause even the necessary removal of Trump isn’t going to lead back to where we were.

  34. you’re right on that front Mahons

  35. The Democrats have some decent politicians, but they are often overwhelmed by the indecent ones in the party. The Republicans might have four or five decent Senators, and a few decent House members. It isn’t the best and the brightest in either party who rise to the top.

  36. my father had an expression. “The only thing worst than a child molestor is a Politician” over the years I have known many personally, I’ve met few that prove his statement wrong, whether they are a d or an r.

  37. Phantom, on July 14th, 2020 at 10:33 PM Said:
    Conservatism is the new counter-culture.

    That is true.

    Anyone can run around emoting and complaining all day.

    It takes a real man or woman to take responsibility and to act with dignity, self respect, regard for and service to others.

    Does anyone know anyone like that who is prominent in US or UK politics? I know many like that in real life.

    Well there used to be this black guy, smart, educated, self deprecating and general nice guy. But it turns out he was a non-citizen antichrist dictator who ruined the economy by fixing it

    I sure do miss that guy

  38. You’re right about that mahons but the country will never be the same after Trumps tenure . Best can hope for is a steady ship 1st term . Biden won’t serve more than 4 years . Second term should be exciting .
    Bye the way Nanci didn’t have to react to the statues affair. In opposition you hold your cards close to your chest . It’s all the responsibility of the govt of the day .Trump is providing all the ammo and hanging himself . You watch that pick your battles and win them . Trump is losing do badly all Biden has to do is not screw the pooch

  39. the walking dead

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-hospitalized-for-possible-infection/ar-BB16JEZs

  40. who would that be EP ?

  41. Good one EP

  42. An exceptionally low comment Patrick which we’ll add to your list.

  43. You would have a president not fit tor the job

    A VP who got their because of quota

    And Nancy Pelosi third in line

    Very bad alternative to a very bad present

  44. IQ
    Listening to USA politics over the years
    And republican antics and impeachment I would not be surprised if republicans were av IQ if 80 which is pretty low and democrats 110 to 120 .
    You can just see it . Wonder if there is a study .
    Eat my hat if I’m wrong 😀

  45. Phantom I don’t think it’s just the top 3 .
    It’s all the people unseen in the various depts . The picks for national security AG heads of dept FBI all of that . The WH team . Alot of people supporting the POTUS . That’s the strength .

  46. Daniel Goldman he’s worth 10 heads of dept ..lol
    The guy is a legend and still early in his carer . Man you for some good people forensic high calibre minds . You think they’ve all turned to jelly do you cos of some BLM activity . Cmon now 🤔

  47. I’d like to have a real president again, especially after what we’ve been through for 3 1/2 years

  48. Would you care to debate it Mahons.

    I can make a very good case for my fathers words….. since you’re insulting us both put up or shut up shyster.

    A child molester is a pos, but a child molester has a mental disease that compels them to do it, it’s why they can’t be rehabilitated. No matter what you do to them lock them up, castrate them (chemically of course) given the opportunity alone with a child they will molest again even after all that. They really can’t help themselves. They have a disease.

    Now a Politician he has a choice and at every opportunity a politician will do what lines his pocket no matter who it fu**s. It’s a conscious decision to kiss the baby as the distraction while he steels it’s lollipop.

    90% of politicians on the federal level are broke when they enter office. There are exceptions Bush’s, Kennedy’s etc but they are the exception. Yet EVERY single federal office holder leaves office a multimillionaire. Both sides.

    They’re duplicitous scum that care about no one but themselves and they believe they are above the Law.

    That is the reasoning behind that remark. Tell me why it’s wrong.

  49. What makes a decent President Phantom?

    What is your list for a person to qualify as one?

  50. Patrick Van Roy, on July 15th, 2020 at 12:37 AM Said:
    What makes a decent President Phantom?

    What is your list for a person to qualify as one?

    Obama, but to keep your side happy we will paint him white

  51. Obama ok what were his Presidential accomplishments?

    Other than the historic fact of being the first black president, as president what did he accomplish that makes him great?

  52. He reversed the Bush Crash
    He drove unemployment down from near record highs to near record lows
    he expanded the economy with out inflation
    he restored the american presidency and america back to international prestige
    he muted the aspirations of Iran

    and he did it all with out any scandals

  53. Wow well if you believe that then to you he was a great President EP.

    I’m laughing my ass off that you probably actually do believe that, but you’re entitled to your opinion.

  54. its not an opinion its a fact

    post the facts that disprove it

  55. EP is about right

    And he restored dignity to the White House

  56. Which facts….. the highest unemployment in history, more bankruptcies, home and business foreclosures than the great depression, the birth of the arab spring, the betrayal of our british and israeli allies, the refusal to honor the contracts to buy canadian oil, the illegal delivery of 100 billion in cash to Iran that was funneled right into terrorism ?

    Not to mention the complete destruction of race relations in the US.

    Where would you like me to begin?

  57. The use of the IRS/DOJ/NSA/CIA on his enemies list ?

    The falsification of evidence created by his team to illegally spy on a presidential candidate?

  58. Obama was and is the example of everything a President should never be.

  59. He was a very good jobs and growth president,

    Once the growth stated, it never stopped, even well into the Trump administtation

    I didn’t vote for him either time, but let’s be honest about this

  60. you read that in the NYTs didn’t you?

  61. You can’t be honest Phantom.

    You can’t detach your emotions from the facts.

  62. Kurt

    I’m a trump supporter with an IQ of 140. Start eating your hat!

  63. https://www.thebalance.com/gdp-growth-by-president-highs-lows-averages-4801102

    This chart shows economic growth by President

    It actually understates Obama because Obama inherited an economy in freefall, and it also over states Trump, because Trump inherited a growing economy

    But it is what it is

    The business community would not argue with any of this

  64. sure Phantom the 8yrs of Obama were Bush’s fault and the prosperity of Trump belongs to Obama.

  65. Patrick – the comment was directed at your comment on Justice Ginsburg.

  66. Joe Biden in his speech today said the Eath only has 9 years left, he’s gonna be a REALLY GREAT President.

  67. Oh

    In that case George I extremely apologize. My mistake, I was wrong. Lashing out for that comment is fair.

    I’m sorry.

  68. No worries.

  69. sorry man

  70. Patrick Van Roy, on July 15th, 2020 at 1:26 AM Said:
    Which facts….. the highest unemployment in history, more bankruptcies, home and business foreclosures than the great depression, the birth of the arab spring, the betrayal of our british and israeli allies, the refusal to honor the contracts to buy canadian oil, the illegal delivery of 100 billion in cash to Iran that was funneled right into terrorism ?

    Not to mention the complete destruction of race relations in the US.

    Where would you like me to begin?

    None of this is true

    The use of the IRS/DOJ/NSA/CIA on his enemies list ?

    The falsification of evidence created by his team to illegally spy on a presidential candidate?

    Again no matter how many times you say it, not true

    Patrick Van Roy, on July 15th, 2020 at 2:04 AM Said:
    sure Phantom the 8yrs of Obama were Bush’s fault and the prosperity of Trump belongs to Obama.

    There was not 8 bad years under Obama there were two and they were a direct result of Bush’s term in office. American prosperity returned long before turnip took office, the only thing turnip did was not kill it for a couple years, but he couldn’t even do that properly

  71. I agree with EP about Obama. In addition, he stopped Ebola in the countries of origin in Africa saving the US and the world from a really nasty disease. Trump let coronavirus sweep across the US with 130,000+ dead so far. Obama set up a government department to aid future fights against a deadly disease. Trump dismantled it and smirked while the country was left unprotected and victim to a deadly disease. That is the difference between a good president and a lousy president.

  72. lol charles , but no can do de
    the context made clear I’m referring to politicians IQ 😉

  73. That Obama sure is clever.
    To the rest of the world he appeared to be open, statesmanlike, warm, intelligent, likeable, professional, focussed, steady. A man with a genuine love for his family and his country. A man who took the jibes, insults and innuendo hurled at him by opponents with a calm, self-deprecating humour. A man who, to us ignorant non-Americans at least, was restoring dignity to the White House and showing the world just how great a country the USA could be on the world stage.
    And yet, all the time, he was the worst, most evil president the US had ever had, quietly dismantling the economy, dividing the US population along racial lines and betraying foreign allies left, right and centre, all aided and abetted by his evil wife.
    Thank the gods the US now have a good president, in fact the greatest president in the history of the USA…

  74. When Patrick wakes up this morning he’s going to smile and say AT LAST Seimi has seen the light 🙂

  75. EP every one of the things on my list are true and can be backed up by the numbers… the facts.

    Your beliefs of what Obama “accomplished” is a fantasy based on bull.

    and Colm is right. It’s nice to see you get it Seimi…. 😉

  76. “EP every one of the things on my list are true and can be backed up by the numbers… the facts.”

    Please back them up then. Because you’ve never been able to provide those numbers in the past.

  77. Bull I’ve provided them a dozen times and then get told my sources aren’t the right sources Seamus.

  78. The business commmunity and US government statistics don’t back up any of the things that you have said.

    Which is why you have avoided using them at any time

  79. bullshit Phantom, and the community that was hurt the worst was the black community.

  80. from the rightwing Atlantic

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/obamas-failure-to-mitigate-americas-foreclosure-crisis/510485/

  81. I can pull links all day that show just how bad he was.

    https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/top-10-ways-obama-violated-constitution-during-presidency

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/01/02/18-major-scandals-obama-presidency/

  82. Draining the swamp:

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/experts-ivanka-trumps-endorsement-of-goya-foods-puts-her-in-serious-legal-trouble/

  83. investor’s business daily

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/think-obama-administration-wasnt-corrupt-think-again/

    and on and on…..

  84. Money and CNN

    https://money.cnn.com/2012/10/22/news/economy/obama-energy-bankruptcies/index.html

  85. Four More Years!
    Added to Trump’s sentence! 😊

  86. not to mention his Those jobs aren’t coming back this is the new normal.

    People forget that stocks were completely flat for two years, from the end of December 2014 right up until the presidential election in 2016. Right after the election, the stock market around the world and especially in the United States started soaring. At the close of business on Friday, the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at 25,916, up 42 percent from the day before the 2016 election.

    Long gone is the pessimistic outlook of the Obama administration. In 2013, four years after the recession had ended, Mr. Obama’s Department of Labor explained: the recession “left lasting scars on the economy … [it meant slower growth was] the new normal” for the American economy. In April 2014, Larry Summers, who had served as Mr. Obama’s chief economic adviser, warned that economic growth was going to be slow “for a substantial period of time going forward.” In August 2016, seven years after the recession ended, The New York Times predicted: “The underlying reality of low growth will haunt whoever wins the White House.” The Times explained, “Something fundamental is broken in the global growth machine.”

  87. Wrong.

  88. “the highest unemployment in history, more bankruptcies, home and business foreclosures than the great depression”

    That is what you said Patrick. You said those things. And then said you they “can be backed up by the numbers… the facts”. And yet when asked to provide those numbers you don’t provide numbers, or facts, you provide links to opinion pieces.

    You have no numbers, have no facts. Only opinions.

  89. In George W. Bush’s first term the DOW grew by -190 points. In his second term by -2,450 points. In Obama’s first term the Dow grew by 5,700 points. And in his second term the Dow grew by over 6,000 points. So far in his first term, to Trump’s credit, the Dow has grown by 7,100 points. Which means (as things stand – noting he still has about 6 months left in his first (and hopefully only) term) that Trump has grown it by 1,100 more than his predecessor. While Obama, in his first term, grew it by over 8,000 points more than his predecessor.

  90. And if we are looking at percentages then in Bush’s first term the Dow shrank by 1.8%. It shrank by 23.5% in his second term. In Obama’s first term it grew by 71.7%. In his second term it grew by 44.6%. In the Donald’s first term (so far) it has grown by 36.3%.

  91. Patrick – I’m curious, what was your objection to Obama as a candidate prior to his election based upon?

  92. Pat used to say that the stock market meant nothing and that the unemployment numbers were not real

    Then Trump took office and he started saying entirely different things