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Masks work great…..

By Patrick Van Roy On July 19th, 2020

As they push mandatory masks the stats prove they do nothing. The virus like most viruses, germs and bacteria is spread primarily by touching contaminated surfaces. Unless you can sterilize every surface on the Planet you will be exposed whether you wear a mask or not.

133 Responses to “Masks work great…..”

  1. What a ridiculous claim Pat.

    Masks aren’t a cure, they are a prevention:

    David Heymann, a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine –

    Cloth face coverings were important to protect other people from a wearer infected with Covid-19, particularly when social distancing is difficult – a measure that would also be important if the disease spreads by airborne transmission

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/14/coronavirus-spread-airborne-transmission-covid-19-how-do-we-stay-safe

  2. There is no indication that the increase in Covid numbers in California is due to mandatory mask rules and most likely the increased rate would be greater without the rule. But I think political twitter accounts are the best place for professional medical advice and you don’t have a co-payment obligation.

  3. Unthinking post

    The problem in California, and the problem in America generally , is that many are not complying with social distancing or mask wearing

  4. bullshit….. you can’t hide or protect yourself from viruses, germs and bacteria by wearing masks.

  5. He still doesn’t know the purpose of masks

    None of these guys will ever know the purpose of masks

  6. You can contain the virus you have, by wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is like wearing a condom. No one ever wore a condom to stop themselves from getting pregnant. But it will help stop someone else from getting pregnant.

  7. You can’t hide or protect yourself from viruses, germs and bacteria by wearing masks

    No but they can be used as a preventative barrier to the viruses, germs and bacteria entering the respiratory tract.

    I’m gonna go with the professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine rather than some guy giving his opinion on infections on the internet.

  8. Phantom you want to now spin that masks are to stop the person wearing them from spreading it.

    Yet you refuse to be tested to see if you’ve been exposed. I’ve had both test, 1 for the virus and 1 for the antibodies. Both negative.

    So I have no virus to spread….. so I don’t have to wear a mask, but you should The Typhoid Phantom.

  9. You spend an awful lot of time obsessing about what others here do or don’t do

  10. When did you have the test and how do you know you haven’t been infected since?

  11. This is the stupid idiocy of American politics in action. Republicans claiming mask wearing is a Democrat ploy and everything has to be seen through political allegiances . it’s ludicrous. What next, will wearing a mask have you labelled as a commie traitor to American values ?. It’s a modest and potentially beneficial practice in public settings for the good of all. It’s not a badge of political shame .

  12. Masks are a political ploy, the whole country is wearing masks and the virus is still spreading.

    Because masks don’t protect you.

  13. “Masks are a political ploy”

    What ploy?

  14. The whole country is not wearing masks

    There are very many people not wearing masks, all over the country

    Even in the more compliant states like New York, there are plenty of idiots not wearing masks in outdoor bars etc.

  15. The wearing of masks, in countries all over the world, is a Democrat ploy, an attempt to stop Trump winning re-election in 2020. Everyone knows this.

  16. Masks are a political ploy

    Please expalain this theory and objective to me.

    Because masks don’t protect you

    As stated above, they are used as a preventative measure to inhibit germs and bacteria entering the respiratory tract.

  17. //The virus .. is spread primarily by touching contaminated surfaces. //

    Just in case some poor gullible fool strays onto this site and isn’t aware of the the degree of credibility of the different posters, that claim is wrong.

    According to the experts, the COVID-19 virus is mainly spread from person to person through respiratory droplets emitted by coughing, sneezing or talking etc.

    Or bullshiting or listening to bullshit.

  18. We’ve been discussing this here for months

    And some here now know even less than they did in March

    They’re not trying to learn, they’re only trying to defend their president’s complete failure to lead on any of this

  19. // they’re only trying to defend their president’s complete failure to lead on any of this//

    Is that behind this story? Didn’t occur to me. God help America.

  20. Pat’s anti science and anti knowledge worldview is the Trump position

  21. Can the pro-maskers provide fundamental scientific evaluation using controlled comparative tests to show that masks are protective against the pathogen? I read that using cloth masks is like attempting to keep out mosquitos with barbed wire. Studies to which I have linked show no evidence of protection BUT serious effects in O2 and CO2 levels in wearers, especially when prolonged.

  22. And note that Patrick and Allan are on the same side

    Of course they are

  23. Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use to reduce community transmission: nonmedical masks use materials that obstruct droplets of the necessary size; people are most infectious in the initial period post-infection, where it is common to have few or no symptoms (10–16); non-medical masks have been effective in reducing transmission of influenza; non-medical masks have been shown to be effective in small trials at blocking transmission of coronavirus; and places and time periods where mask usage is required or widespread have shown substantially lower community transmission.
    The available evidence suggests that near-universal adoption of non-medical masks when out in public, in combination with complementary public health measures could successfully
    reduce effective-R to below 1.0, thereby stopping community spread. Economic analysis suggests that the impact of mask wearing could be thousands of US dollars saved per person
    per mask

    http://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

  24. The local Truthers are just asking questions

    Of course they are

  25. Paul – your article makes its premise clear and it finds the evidence to support its premise. The articles to which I shall link start with the open question, and find no or little support for wearing masks and I see that your report cites at least one of my previously-linked reports as SUPPORTIVE of wearing masks to inhibit infection. The other factor not considered is the effect of restrictions on breathing – lowering O2 levels and increasing CO2 levels in blood. Susceptible drivers who wear them are suffering black-outs. I have worn the mask in shops and I notice the difference so we may soon see consequentials from mass-compliance

  26. Somehow these terrible effects have not impacted the Japanese

  27. Phantom – should any questions on public health policy be asked by the public at all?

  28. Can the pro-maskers provide fundamental scientific evaluation using controlled comparative tests to show that masks are protective against the pathogen?

    That was your request.

    I linked to it above.

  29. Paul – thanks for the response and link provided but it is far from conclusive.

    Phantom – Japan appears to have escaped the deadly effects of the deadly virus without any lockdown. It’s a mystery.

  30. As seen by the blocked text above those who reviewed the evidence formed a pretty denfinitive conclusion.

    I doubt anything linked to here would satisfy you.

  31. The mask wearing Asian nations have done much better than the feckless, leaderless US and UK

    Low income, mask wearing Vietnam, Which has a larger population than the United Kingdom, has – zero – reported Covid 19 deaths.

    Other factors would probably be in place as well, including that Vietnam has a very low obesity rate, But in general, the mask wearing countries have done very well. So of course the local Truthers oppose masks
    .

    https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/how-did-vietnam-become-biggest-nation-without-coronavirus-deaths

  32. Allan

    You and Patrick approach this issue and other issues from a position of bad faith

    You are not searching for the truth

  33. Phantom – I tried the mask out on myself and it’s not good, with great relief when I took it off. I’m fit and healthy whilst many/most around me were visibly unhealthy i.e. unfit and overweight so there may indeed be a ‘second wave’ in the Walmart countries as caused by the prolonged and habitual (yes – it’s a compliance thing) wearing of masks which are restrictive of breathing.

  34. I don’t like wearing the mask one bit either

    But I do wear it always when I am in close quarters

    It would be very unpleasant I think to wear one all day long working at a grocery or driving a bus

    But I say again, the Asians do it, and they have had a much better result than our countries have had

  35. I complained about the mask one day.

    My wife said try wearing a bra mister!

    Nuff said!

  36. lol

  37. It’s truly ridiculous to claim masks do nothing. It shows an unbelievable level of ignorance. They wear masks in operating theatres. If they did nothing, they wouldn’t bother wearing them.

    And as the links I provided to the Pete Moore in his post about masks proved, it’s around a 50/50 split with infections from surfaces and from the air. A mask dramatically reduces the amount of airborne virus, and thus the amount of infection.

  38. You are not searching for the truth

    Phantom I gave you and everyone the scientific truth.

    Masks are the least protection from any virus, germ, or bacteria. I’m immunocompromised. Lyme disease destroys the immune system, my life depends on me knowing how these things are transmitted, and has for a decade now.

    Not just corona, but every cold, virus, bacteria, germ, flu, or type of contagion. My life depends on it.

    You don’t want facts you want a cause….

    I get my Flu Shots, I get my vaccines, I monitor what the flu and other epidemics are current, I even wear a mask in stores and such now to keep people like you calm. Unlike you though I know it’s for show, and unlike you I’ve been responsible and have been tested for covid.

    So don’t label me with your problem of not searching for the truth.

  39. Allan@Aberdeen,

    Phantom – I tried the mask out on myself and it’s not good, with great relief when I took it off. ….it’s a compliance thing) wearing of masks which are restrictive of breathing.

    Another post that proves you talk a constant stream of shite Allan.
    In my work I have to wear full face, biological respirators all the time, and they do not restrict my breathing in any way at all. The only complaint I have they are mildly uncomfortable. I know flimsy paper or cloth masks do not restrict your breathing at all. Do you honestly expect anybody to believe this nonsense you come out with?

  40. Phantom – as you have confirmed, questions are not to be asked of public health policy by members of the public because that is ‘asking questions’ and is not allowed in a democracy. And anybody who disagrees with you “is not searching for the truth”, As from the Fawlty Towers episode, The Psychiatrists, there’s enough material here for an entire conference 🙂

  41. Phantom I gave you and everyone the scientific truth

    Pat, I’ve just linked to a study by scientists and a professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicin above which give a contrary opinion to yours.

    Masks are a political ploy

    Please expalain this theory and objective to me.

  42. hey bright boy……

    They wear masks in operating theatres.

    yeah so THEY don’t spread germs THEY might breath OUT in the sterile environment of an Operating Room into a patients opened up body…..

    maroon…..

    Do you know how they sterilize an operating theater? Between the total liquid disinfecting and the high power ultraviolet light used after that the room is sterile. In that scenario yes wear a mask because YOU SPEW GERMS not to prevent them from being infected by the patient. You have it backwards…… why am I not surprised.

  43. Patrick

    The main purpose of a cloth mask is not to protect the wearer from the virus

    How many times do we have to keep saying this

    It’s to protect the other people from the wearer

  44. Dave – your experiences are yours and mine are mine, unless you know otherwise. Right now, I’m in Prague – no masks, and no social-distancing, unless you can tell me that I’m not seeing what I’m seeing

  45. Right now, I’m in Prague – no masks, and no social-distancing

    Yes, indeed. From five days ago:

    Anyone interested in a real world case study on the extraordinary effectiveness of face masks in suppressing the spread of the coronavirus need look no farther than Prague. In this capital city of 1.3 million, among the first in Europe to decree mandatory universal mask-wearing almost four months ago, life has now returned to normal

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/14/how-czech-republic-beat-covid-require-everyone-wear-face-masks-column/5426602002/

  46. Paul I don’t care what hacks paper you linked to. If it’s a current paper it’s based on politics not science.

    I’ve been living with this risk for over a decade, and I’ve followed the advise and I am sharing the advice given me by immunologists for ten years.

    The masks are a symbol of control nothing more. They won’t stop a single person from being exposed because the virus is on the money, the door knobs and handles, elevator buttons bus seats etc etc

    This can be proven that it’s political by the rules. You have to wear a mask in line at a restaurant, but not while you eat or drink and a thousand other examples of inconsistent application of a so called safety mandate.

  47. Paul I don’t care what hacks paper you linked to. If it’s a current paper it’s based on politics not science

    Some guy who used to be in the aviation business knows better than actual scientists and a a professor of infectious disease epidemiology.

    Well okay then.

    I think your comment on it being based on politics says more about you than the study above.

    The masks are a symbol of control nothing more

    Please expalain this theory and objective to me.

    You have to wear a mask in line at a restaurant, but not while you eat or drink and a thousand other examples of inconsistent application of a so called safety mandate.

    That’s probably because it’s impossible to eat or drink wearing a mask?

  48. “Please expalain this theory and objective to me.”

    The masks loop around the ears, which make it much, much harder to wear a tinfoil hat, allowing the government to control your thoughts.

  49. Allan@Aberdeen,

    Dave – your experiences are yours and mine are mine, unless you know otherwise. Right now, I’m in Prague – no masks, and no social-distancing, unless you can tell me that I’m not seeing what I’m seeing

    Yes Allan. It’s such a big inconvenience to wear a flimsy cloth or paper mask in public. Oh my human rights are being taken away just on the slim chance I may prevent a person from dying from coronavirus. Pathetic.

  50. Patrick

    yeah so THEY don’t spread germs THEY might breath OUT in the sterile environment of an Operating Room into a patients opened up body…..

    maroon…..

    You’re a f****** idiot Patrick.
    That’ll be the same germs or viruses, like the coronavirus that you can breathe out and infect others in public, the masks actually present in the same way they prevent those germs and viruses in operating theatres. Are you really this f****** stupid?

  51. Don’t listen to Dr. Fauci; what Does he know

    Listen to these know nothings

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/rush-limbaugh-democrats-mask-wearing-freaks-for-politicizing-coronavirus-face-covers

    https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/laura-ingraham-questions-experts-and-science-masks-helping-slow-spread-coronavirus

    https://www.mediamatters.org/coronavirus-covid-19/national-talk-radio-hosts-reject-calls-masks-echoed-local-hosts-least-one

  52. Paul – going back to Seamus’s analogy at the start of the thread, at this time of the year – summer, when respiratory viruses are absent, wearing a mask is like wearing a condom….to the Christening.

    There’s no covid-risk, but there are definitely lockdown deaths caused specifically by the lockdown measures

  53. https://www.al.com/news/2020/07/outbreak-accelerates-across-alabama-worst-week-yet-for-cases-and-deaths-week-in-review.html

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/07/18/florida-passes-5000-coronavirus-deaths-with-90-more-reported-saturday/

    No risk

  54. Allan, how about dealing with this first:

    Right now, I’m in Prague – no masks, and no social-distancing

    Anyone interested in a real world case study on the extraordinary effectiveness of face masks in suppressing the spread of the coronavirus need look no farther than Prague. In this capital city of 1.3 million, among the first in Europe to decree mandatory universal mask-wearing almost four months ago, life has now returned to normal

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/14/how-czech-republic-beat-covid-require-everyone-wear-face-masks-column/5426602002/

    Engaging with you really is an exercise in obfuscation and chicanery.

  55. Dave – there’s no deadly virus in circulation. But your comment at 8.15pm is interesting. You say that you wear a biomask so I assume that it must have a high effciency in particulate removal? That would mean a high pressure drop across the barrier – and yet you notice no restriction in your breathing?
    A flimsy cloth would provide minimal protection and so there would be no biological purpose to wearing it – but there would certainly be behaviour/compliance effects

  56. “Dave – there’s no deadly virus in circulation”

    That comment gets an award for the richest comment today!

  57. Paul – 4 months ago, when the virus was supposedly at its most deadly and virulent. It is now summer, when respiratory viruses are capable of minimal harm owing to more active immune systems with people being out and in the Sun, and the virus being attenuated by the increased UV of summer.

    So, 4 months ago – and masks are required now? The condom isn’t needed at the Christening

  58. https://nypost.com/2020/07/19/violent-bus-riders-refusing-to-wear-masks-drive-surge-in-mta-attacks

    Anti mask thugs have attacked transit workers here, and they killed a bus driver in France recently

    Words have consequences

    Congratulations, anti maskers

  59. Phantom

    A young man in TX was asked by an elderly man in a store where his mask was. The young man stabbed the elder and fled. When the police caught him he stabbed an officer and was shot and killed, over a mask. Yes, words have consequences.

  60. Allan,

    “I read that using cloth masks is like attempting to keep out mosquitos with barbed wire. Studies to which I have linked show no evidence of protection BUT serious effects in O2 and CO2 levels in wearers, especially when prolonged.”

    How would a mask let virus particles pass through it, and at the same time block much smaller O2 and CO2 molecules?

  61. Allan, how about dealing with this first:

    Right now, I’m in Prague – no masks, and no social-distancing

    Anyone interested in a real world case study on the extraordinary effectiveness of face masks in suppressing the spread of the coronavirus need look no farther than Prague. In this capital city of 1.3 million, among the first in Europe to decree mandatory universal mask-wearing almost four months ago, life has now returned to normal

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/07/14/how-czech-republic-beat-covid-require-everyone-wear-face-masks-column/5426602002/

  62. Dave – there’s no deadly virus in circulation. But your comment at 8.15pm is interesting. You say that you wear a biomask so I assume that it must have a high effciency in particulate removal? That would mean a high pressure drop across the barrier – and yet you notice no restriction in your breathing?
    A flimsy cloth would provide minimal protection and so there would be no biological purpose to wearing it – but there would certainly be behaviour/compliance effects

    Allan I wear this:

    https://www.3m.co.uk/3M/en_GB/company-uk/3m-products/~/3M-Reusable-Full-Face-Mask-6000-Series/?N=5002385+3291100252&rt=rud

    And use these filters:

    https://www.3m.co.uk/3M/en_GB/company-uk/3m-products/~/3M-Gas-and-Vapour-Filters-6000-Series/?N=5002385+3291184510&rt=rud

    And whether you believe me or not, I have no problems whatsoever with breathing normally. And whatever the contaminant is, be it acetone, peroxide, or my own farts and can’t smell it. The only criticism I have is that it gets itchy on my face after a period of time. And it also feels a bit strange to wear.
    I have absolutely no problem wearing a cloth or paper mask, I actually forget I’m wearing it.

  63. Policies have consequences. Many people have been pushed to the very edge by this insane lockdown – job loss, bankruptcy, family strife – and now the mandatory mask-wearing at a time when the death rate is plumetting even with fake numbers.

  64. Dave I’m not Mike……. I’m the last person on this site you want a vendetta from……

    but thank you for proving my point without knowing it….. your mother called you Sunny because you’re so bright didn’t she….

    You’re a f****** idiot Patrick.
    That’ll be the same germs or viruses, like the coronavirus that you can breathe out and infect others in public, the masks actually present in the same way they prevent those germs and viruses in operating theatres. Are you really this f****** stupid?

    So by your very statement the mask prevents the person WEARING it from SPREADING anything NOT catching something.

    So if you don’t have the disease there is no need for the mask, because you can’t spread it.

    but you should wear yours 24/7 whatever mental condition you have might be contagious…..

  65. lmao….

    The masks loop around the ears, which make it much, much harder to wear a tinfoil hat, allowing the government to control your thoughts.

  66. Dave – I don’t like wearing the mask, and I feel physical and spiritual relief when I remove it. Moreover, there is a reduced communication with people as facial expressions are no longer discernable. At this time of the year – summer – and for a seasonal respratory virus as mild as Covid, mandatory wearing of masks is nuts, probably deliberately so.

  67. That’s probably because it’s impossible to eat or drink wearing a mask?

    So then the virus KNOWS your eating and drinking and pauses it’s spread out of courtesy….. lol

    Paul if there is a need for masks in public everyone has to wear them all the time. If there are times in public where you don’t have to wear them then A) you just defeated the purpose of wearing it, or B) there is no need in the first place.

    A Quarantine/Lockdown/Stayathome order means nothing if it doesn’t apply to everyone except emergency personnel. Postal Workers, Garbage Collectors, FASTFOOD Workers and all the little new “essential” personnel cancel out any Quarantine/Lockdown/Stayathome.

    If there are these exceptions to wearing masks or the Quarantine/Lockdown/Stayathome.

    It’s POLITICAL not SCIENTIFIC

  68. No

  69. Yes….

  70. So we see above from Allan a request to provide a link to a scientific study.

    – Provided and then disgarded.

    A comment on being in Prague with no facemasks nor social distancing which was explained that wearing facial masks had been obligatory for almost four months and that this was the result of the policy.

    – absolutely ignored.

    That both bluffs had been called he’s now moving on to the effects of the lockdown.

    You and Patrick approach this issue and other issues from a position of bad faith

    You are not searching for the truth

  71. So then the virus KNOWS your eating and drinking and pauses it’s spread out of courtesy….. lol

    Paul if there is a need for masks in public everyone has to wear them all the time. If there are times in public where you don’t have to wear them then A) you just defeated the purpose of wearing it, or B) there is no need in the first place.

    No Pat, it’s not a non nuanced binary decision.

    It’s a calculated risk based against other factors like trying to keep the hospitality industry afloat.

  72. No Pat, it’s not a non nuanced binary decision.

    it is….. you can’t split the science to apply and not apply.

    We will not overwhelm our hospitals. NYC proved it.

    NYC was the most hard hit. Yet they didn’t even need the two hospitals one built and one floated in to handle the OVERWHELMING OVERFLOW that never was…..

  73. It is….. you can’t split the science to apply and not apply

    Astoundingly ridiculous comment.

    The science doesn’t care weither the facemask is there or not, it still exists. Returning to a level of normality and keeping things like the hospitality idustry afloat are necessities and removing you facemask while eating or drinking is a calculated risk.

  74. The science doesn’t care weither the facemask is there or not, it still exists.

    correct so taking the mask off to eat and drink defeats you ever wearing it.

    The death rate of this virus is the same as a bad flu, less than some. We don’t shut the country down every year between November a June to prevent the 60,000 to 100,000 that die every year in this country from the flu and those numbers are from an average year of the Flu.

    This is not the plague, it’s bad and precautions are warranted but not this lunacy. This is not based in Science for keeping the children out of school.

  75. Correct so taking the mask off to eat and drink defeats you ever wearing it

    How many times dod I need to repeat it’s a calculated risk against necessities like keeping the hospitality industry afloat?

    This is not based in Science for keeping the children out of school.

    My wife is a school teacher and keeping kids out of school is based on contagion rate.

  76. correct so taking the mask off to eat and drink defeats you ever wearing it

    Does this make sense to anyone?

    If you wear the mask 80% of the time, that’s better than not wearing a mask at any time

    And in many of the outdoor restaurants, the tables are six feet or more from the other tables, so diners actually are socially distanced. The owners ask you to wear the mask when entering or leaving, or when going to facilities etc.

    This is arguing without any thought behind it at all

  77. Patrick Van Roy,

    Dave I’m not Mike……. I’m the last person on this site you want a vendetta from……

    Oh grow up Patrick you sad child.

  78. Dave there is an expression where I’m from neighborhood…… hee ya a gesture goes with it.

  79. Phantom and Paul it’s Binary. Either you have to wear the mask 100% or you don’t. If it’s contagious and it works for the 80% you don’t get special dispensation the other 20%.

    The virus is there 100% of the time. It is also not in the governments purview tell us what risks we can and can not take.

    The Democrat party has cut it’s own throat in spite of them about to Win the Presidency, the Senate and the House…..

  80. 100% of Patrick statistics are made up.

  81. And the scientists who agree with you that it’s the flu and that it’s no big deal, and all the rest do not exist.

    My prescription to you: less writing, start reading.

  82. The majority of that he says are in conflict with what experts say.

    This is part of a Trumper distrust of knowledge, science, expertise of any kind.

    Their president has been the worst possible man that you want in charge in a crisis. And they all know it. The very bad US response to the virus is proof of it.

    Expect a great deal more nonsense from these guys between now and election day.

    And a hundred times more after, with the ” election was stolen ” lies and bullshit, which they are already rehearsing.

  83. Phantom and Paul it’s Binary. Either you have to wear the mask 100% or you don’t

    YOu’re being even more ridiculous than usual Pat.

    The virus is there 100% of the time.

    Hence my calculated risk comment.

  84. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UcnABDsGbo

  85. PVR

    “It is also not in the governments purview tell us what risks we can and can not take.” Governments do it all the time. A driving speed limit means you cannot risk going above the speed posted.

  86. If someone who doesn’t want social distance or wear a mask, etc. drops dead from Covid, he’s getting instant karma.

    But society and government has every moral and legal right to minimize the chance that he will spread that virus to the elderly, those with underlying conditions, etc.

    The virus isn’t full understood, even now. It could mutate and get worse later this year.

    The president has never taken this virus seriously, not then, not now.

    And the comments of Patrick, Pete, and Allan over time, even today, show how pernicious Trump’s failure to lead has been.

    The sheep will follow their master down every blind alley on this, America and the world will pay the price.

  87. I think it was the great George Carlin who said “take the average stupid person, then realized half are even stupider than that!”

  88. bullshit to all of it, you don’t like the comparison but this is a Flu, it spreads like a flu, exactly in the same manner. It has a higher deathrate than the Flu, but it is not a plague.

    You get a Flu shot or you don’t either way sometimes you get exposed to the virus or germ or bacteria, the contagion or you don’t. You don’t catch the flu each year, you don’t catch colds each year, but the contagions are out there 365 24/7. You can’t hide and the ONLY protection is a healthy body.

    We lose 98,000 a year to malpractice, we lose 80,000 a year to drugs, we lose 20,000 a year from homicides, and we murder over 600,000 babies every year. In NY more black babies are aborted than are born.

    So losing 200,000 to a virus that we can’t prevent people from being exposed to we must totally change our lives, but with all that death I just listed that we could stop because they are all caused by man we don’t do nuthin……

    go to hell

    Your perspective of life and death is skewed and twisted. So is your morality.

    Lift a finger and help one addict or one homeless person and you’ll do a thousand times more for your fellow man than you will even wearing a mask every day for the rest of your life.

  89. Patrick

    You do realise that a person can wear a mask in public places to help protect public health and also volunteer to help addicts and homeless people. The two things aren’t mutually exclusive.

  90. You do realise that the 200,000 number you so nonchalantly dismiss in your post, are 200,000 extra deaths, on top of all those other figures you mention, don’t you? A number that we can all help keep down, if we just follow social distancing rules and wear a friggin’ mask!?

  91. Your numbers are all wrong

    And most people would only have to wear a mask For a certain amount of time in the day

    That isn’t a total change of life for anybody

    And as our honorable friend Allan has accidentally reminded us, universal mask Use for a time means a quicker restoration of normal life. That’s what happened in the Czech Republic.

  92. I wonder what spin the Trumper will put on this interview?

    It was probably a triumph.

  93. Go to hell

    Your perspective of life and death is skewed and twisted. So is your morality

    You inquired about the effectiveness of mask wearing and were given multiple examples and explanations of it. There’s no need to be so cantankerous about it.

    Lift a finger and help one addict or one homeless person and you’ll do a thousand times more for your fellow man than you will even wearing a mask every day for the rest of your life

    An absolute apples and oranges comparison. Pat, you’re not the only person on ATW who’s done voluntary work with the vulnerable & diminished.

  94. The other factor not considered is the effect of restrictions on breathing – lowering O2 levels and increasing CO2 levels in blood

    Another factor which seems to be at best an exaggerated theory with an agenda:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-masks-list/fact-check-false-and-misleading-information-in-post-listing-dangers-of-face-masks-idUSKBN24333G

  95. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/14/need-some-good-news-about-covid-19-here-are-six-reasons-optimism/

    Despite the terrible leadership in some of our countries, a lot more is known, a number of good things are on the way.

    For the first time in history, nearly every scientist in the world is focused on the same problem. This is starting to pay real dividends.

  96. Haven’t logged on here in a few weeks and if this is the current standard of posting, it’ll be a lot longer next time.

    Patrick’s slavish devotion to the Trump cult is depressing. It doesn’t matter how obviously his assertion contradicts the facts, he’ll go ahead and assert it anyway. For a supposedly independent thinker he sure does spend a lot of time parroting the party line.

    The science on facemasks is so diametrically opposed to what Patrick and the madman from Scotland claim, and so emphatically, that there’s no point in even arguing. It’s as if the Enlightenment never happened. Howling into the void.

  97. These twins, and Pete makes three, only mock masks, because Trump has shied away from them for most all this time.

    I don’t really understand why David seems against them. He’s wrong, but I am not sure how he arrived at that wrong position.

  98. Patrick is parroting the Trump line regardless of the facts presented to him by scientists and epidemiologists.

    Pete is being his usual contrary self to wind up what he sees are ‘lefties’

    The crazy man in Aberdeen doesn’t like masks because they’re some kind of as yet unidentified dastardly plot.

    None of them will ever see logic or reasoning on the issue no matter how many expert opinions, scinetific analysis and empirical evidence are presented to them.

    It’ll be a lot longer next time.

    That’s a pity.

  99. masterson

    Don’t let the bad guys keep you away.

    You are a good contributor, please stay

  100. Masterson if you don’t like my posts you’re just another of the majority…. nobody here likes my posts. They of course aren’t done for anyone to like they are done to inform. Now if you don’t care for what I’m informing you there are plenty of other posts.

  101. A number that we can all help keep down,

    No you can’t and Phantom all my numbers are accurate look them up… I did.

    You can’t stop a virus, and masks aren’t going to prevent anyone from catching it or being exposed. The best they can do is prevent an infected person from spreading it by their breath, but not by their touch.

    Sorry you’re all wrong and I’m right.

    But you do what you want, wear a mask. If it gives you comfort that’s good whether it gives you protection or not. The thing is wearing one isn’t going to protect or save a single soul.

    Remember according to Cuomo as the virus burned through the city the stats showed 60% of the people who got infected AFTER the lockdown caught in isolation in their homes and wearing masks when the went outside.

    For Phantom before he accuses me of lying.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFxQ4TfCx0

  102. You can’t stop the virus now, but you can minimize it.

  103. Sorry you’re all wrong and I’m right.

    As I said last night,

    Some guy who used to be in the aviation business knows better than actual scientists and a a professor of infectious disease epidemiology.

    Well okay then

    As you said last night:

    It’s POLITICAL not SCIENTIFIC

    Please explain the political objective.

  104. How…… 60% of the NEW cases in NYC were from those following the guidelines.

    Why didn’t they work to prevent them ?

  105. How……

    By wearing a mask to prevent those potentially infected from infecting others.

    Please explain the political objective

    ?

  106. Please explain the political objective.

    To destroy the economy, keep people out of work, flood the system with mail in ballots.

    The Political objective is to blame Trump and make people miserable so they have a chance to defeat Trump.

  107. By wearing a mask to prevent those potentially infected from infecting others.

    didn’t help the 60% of new cases in NYC.

  108. Please explain the political objective.

    Like I said last night:

    The wearing of masks, in countries all over the world, is a Democrat ploy, an attempt to stop Trump winning re-election in 2020. Everyone knows this.

  109. This guy should do a standup comedy special on HBO.

    Patrick CK live from the Planet Pluto

  110. Oh – he’s back. Just keeping an eye on things…..

    The science on facemasks is so diametrically opposed to what Patrick and the madman from Scotland claim, and so emphatically, that there’s no point in even arguing.

    Anyway, the science:

    https://www.primarydoctor.org/masks-not-effect

    Masks are neither effective nor safe:

    A summary of the science
    Colleen Huber, NMD
    July 6, 2020

    At this writing, there is a recent surge in widespread use by the public of facemasks when in public places, including for extended periods of time, in the United States as well as in other countries. The public has been instructed by media and their governments that one’s use of masks, even if not sick, may prevent others from being infected with SARS-CoV-2, the infectious agent of COVID-19.

    A review of the peer-reviewed medical literature examines impacts on human health, both immunological, as well as physiological. The purpose of this paper is to examine data regarding the effectiveness of facemasks, as well as safety data. The reason that both are examined in one paper is that for the general public as a whole, as well as for every individual, a risk-benefit analysis is necessary to guide decisions on if and when to wear a mask.

    In the link, there follows a review of medical data on the effectiveness of facemasks as a barrier to pathogens but also consideration of the effects on people’s respiratory function by said masks.

    Are masks safe?

    During walking or other exercise

    Surgical mask wearers had significantly increased dyspnea after a 6-minute walk than non-mask wearers. (30)

    Researchers are concerned about possible burden of facemasks during physical activity on pulmonary, circulatory and immune systems, due to oxygen reduction and air trapping reducing substantial carbon dioxide exchange. As a result of hypercapnia, there may be cardiac overload, renal overload, and a shift to metabolic acidosis. (31)

    I was wearing one of these things at the airport today and I had to walk up stairs. I confirm that breathing was definitely adversely affected – but that’s just me. Several at ATW should be able to assert that their breathing was much improved by masks…..

    Weighing risks versus benefits of mask use

    In the summer of 2020 the United States is experiencing a surge of popular mask use, which is frequently promoted by the media, political leaders and celebrities. Homemade and store-bought cloth masks and surgical masks or N95 masks are being used by the public especially when entering stores and other publicly accessible buildings. Sometimes bandanas or scarves are used. The use of face masks, whether cloth, surgical or N95, creates a poor obstacle to aerosolized pathogens as we can see from the meta-analyses and other studies in this paper, allowing both transmission of aerosolized pathogens to others in various directions, as well as self-contamination.

    It must also be considered that masks impede the necessary volume of air intake required for adequate oxygen exchange, which results in observed physiological effects that may be undesirable. Even 6- minute walks, let alone more strenuous activity, resulted in dyspnea. The volume of unobstructed oxygen in a typical breath is about 100 ml, used for normal physiological processes. 100 ml O2 greatly exceeds the volume of a pathogen required for transmission.

    The foregoing data show that masks serve more as instruments of obstruction of normal breathing, rather than as effective barriers to pathogens. Therefore, masks should not be used by the general public, either by adults or children, and their limitations as prophylaxis against pathogens should also be considered in medical settings.

    This is evidence against wearing facemasks but it is not conclusive. What shall be conclusive is the death tally as a consequence of wearing masks, because lots of diabetics and obese are now wearing them. In one of today’s newspapers, 200,000 lockdown deaths are predicted and these shall appear as surplus deaths because they are people who would not have died had there been no lockdown. Moreover, the ages of these mortalities shall be well below 80-years.

    The main point here is that the case against facemasks is worthy of assessment so has any Risk Assessment been carried out by any of the authorities who are imposing use of facemasks upon the dumb cattle? A resounding ‘NO’ is the answer, and the need for such an assessment would not enter the heads of the puppets who sit in government. There are definitely ‘cons’ to wearing facemasks, and one probable ‘pro’ which is reduction of infection by those already infected, but does this out-weight the ‘cons’?

    Here is Anthony Fauci’s advice on use of facemasks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI

    Kelley McBride
    2 weeks ago
    I send this video to friends who argue that he never said we dont need masks. They watch the video and then tell me I’m a conspiracy nut. I dont know what else to do!

  111. Sure.

    Masks are killing Japanese and Koreans all over the place

  112. “To destroy the economy, keep people out of work, flood the system with mail in ballots.”

    How is having mandatory masks going to “destroy the economy, keep people out of work” or “flood the system with mail in ballots”?

    In reality postal voting are a red hearing. They have no tangible impact on outcomes:

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/there-is-no-evidence-that-voting-by-mail-gives-one-party-an-advantage/

    All the furore around postal voting is so that if Trump loses the far-right and their sheep can pretend the election was stolen using postal voting.

  113. The masks in this country are a psyops control issue. In this country we don’t wear masks…. we are not Oriental/Asian whatever the politically correct term is for people of yellow pigment. Forcing people to wear them is a control issue.

    Your link Seamus has no clue what it’s talking about….. how about the politicians who have locked up just this month for mail in voter fraud I guess that’s imaginary.

    City councilman among 4 facing voter fraud charges in New …
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/politics/new-jersey
    Jun 25, 2020 · A city councilman and a councilman-elect are among the four people charged with voting fraud related to the May 12 municipal election, New Jersey …

    Fraud: Michigan Democratic Official Charged With Altering …
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2020/05/26/
    May 26, 2020 · Posted: May 26, 2020 10:35 AM … we’ve recently learned of two criminal examples of voter fraud, which cannot be ignored or waved away. … The Michigan State Police then launched an …

    Ex Philly election official pleads guilty to voter fraud
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/ex-philly-election
    May 22, 2020 · A former Philadelphia election official has pleaded guilty to taking thousands of dollars in bribes to stuff the ballot boxes for Democrats in local races between 2014 and 2016. Domenick J. …

    Author: Vincent Barone

  114. “Forcing people to wear them is a control issue.”

    How does it control them?

    “Your link Seamus has no clue what it’s talking about….. how about the politicians who have locked up just this month for mail in voter fraud I guess that’s imaginary.”

    Just because you don’t understand what they are talking about doesn’t mean that they don’t have a clue about it. No one suggested voter fraud doesn’t happen. The only way to prevent voter fraud would be to get rid of voting (which might be a suggestion the Donald could get on board with). There is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, nor is the evidence that postal voting benefits one party (if fraud was rampant then it would clear favour the party doing it).

  115. The masks in this country are a psyops control issue

    What’s the objective? Are ‘they’ going to force people to wear masks forever?

    Is it sunney in Aberdeen?

  116. To destroy the economy, keep people out of work, flood the system with mail in ballots.

    The Political objective is to blame Trump and make people miserable so they have a chance to defeat Trump

    I’ve just read this.

    Jesus Christ, I mean, just….Jesus Christ.

  117. Unintentionally very funny

    Keep talking Pat

  118. Materson

    //The science on facemasks is so diametrically opposed to what Patrick and the madman from Scotland claim, and so emphatically, that there’s no point in even arguing. It’s as if the Enlightenment never happened. Howling into the void//

    What do you expect from a man who believes the atmosphere plays no part in controlling the planets climate.

  119. Materson

    //The science on facemasks is so diametrically opposed to what Patrick and the madman from Scotland claim, and so emphatically, that there’s no point in even arguing. It’s as if the Enlightenment never happened. Howling into the void//

    What do you expect from a man who believes the atmosphere plays no part in controlling the planets climate.

  120. laugh all you want.

    It doesn’t change facts, and the facts are masks are useless unless the person wearing them are infected.

    Fact the Democrats are using the children as hostages. If the children can’t go to school people can’t go to their jobs.

    The economy was booming until this, they have no candidate, the only hope the dems have is propaganda and misery and according to the polls it’s working.

    The Presidency, The Senate, The House, the polls all say after Nov 3rd they will all be under dem control, so according to the polls it’s working. You don’t think that’s the motivation behind this stuff? Then you don’t know how Politics works in the US (but I’ve been saying that on here for two decades.

  121. Pat, let me unpack this:

    To destroy the economy, keep people out of work, flood the system with mail in ballots.

    I said that the wearing of facemasks in restaurants and bars was a calculated risk against the necessity of getting the hospitality industry sector back on its feet.

    So, a calculated risk to keep the economy afloat, get people back to back and resecue the huge hospitality sector is also destroying the economy & keeping people out of work?

    flood the system with mail in ballots.

    That comment is so absofuckinglutely insane that it doesn’t warrant analysis.

    The Political objective is to blame Trump and make people miserable so they have a chance to defeat Trump

    You seriously, seriously think that this virus from Chins and the preventative reaction to it it all about unseating Trump?

    Holy good fuck.

  122. Yes

    The ” orientals ” and the ” surrender monkeys ” are wearing masks in order to make Trump look bad.

    If you don’t agree with that, you’re a communist.

  123. I was going to go to the doctor today but I realized I can get medical advice from right wing nonphysicians on ATW and avoid the copayment.

  124. They can also give you expert advise on military affairs, tax and trade policy, and on the Constitution.

  125. There’s definitely a plan……

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/06/virus-expert-claims-americans-will-wear-masks-for-several-years/

    Health experts won’t ask Americans to take off their masks anytime soon.

    That’s the take of Eric Toner, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. He has been preparing for an outbreak like the novel coronavirus as part of his work for years.

    “There’s going to be no summertime lull with a big wave in the fall,” he said as part of CNET’s Hacking the Apocalypse series. “It’s clear that we are having a significant resurgence of cases in the summer, and they’ll get bigger. And it’ll keep going until we lock things down again.”

    cases schmases – but how many deaths? Heading towards zero as is typical of seasonal viruses

    For those who refuse to wear a mask in the interim, Toner said, they’ll eventually wise up.

    “They will get over it,” he says. “It’s just a question of how many people get sick and die before they get over it.”

    That’s heading towards zero – the weakest died earlier.

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/18/media-mask-mania-or-covid19-groupthink/

    The psychological consequences alone will be incalculable. Even before the coronavirus, researchers spoke of loneliness as its own epidemic in America. A March article in the medical journal JAMA Psychiatry attributed 162,000 deaths a year to the fallout of social isolation. Now people are being told that they can socialize only under the most stringent conditions. Much of what makes life sweet is lost to us, not for days or weeks, but months or years.

    As I said, this is a chillingly accurate summary of the consequences of the mass incarceration foisted on us by more than 40 state governors, most of them Democrats, beginning in early March – when each one, with a unilateral declaration of a “health emergency,” seized quasi-dictatorial powers, shunted aside the Constitution and bankrupted the citizenry. Those “emergency” powers have not been relinquished to this day.

  126. Patrick

    It doesn’t change facts, and the facts are masks are useless unless the person wearing them are infected.

    This is monumentally stupid even by Patrick’s standards.
    So by your logic, wearing a mask reduces the chances of an infected person breathing out infected droplets of mucus, but doesn’t stop an uninfected person breathing in those droplets.

    As the CDC points out, 50% of infections are from an aerosolized droplets containing the virus. Forget science, just having a logical thinking brain leads you to the conclusion that by wearing some form of mask over your nose and mouth will reduce the chances of you breathing in the virus.

    Viruses spread from person to person mainly in droplets that fly out when you cough or sneeze. These tiny drops from a sick person move through the air and land on the mouths or noses of others nearby.

    https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/qa/how-do-viruses-spread-from-person-to-person

  127. Some refuse to be educated.

    We even showed him a Japanese made video that showed how a cloth mask reduced the volume of outgoing droplets.

    But NAH. It’s a social control conspiracy by the deep state and the satanic Dr. Fauci.

  128. If wearing masks saved even one life, it would make mandatory of wearing masks justified. Of course, wearing masks saves hundreds of thousands of lives. There is no good reason not to wear a mask.

    Those who argue against mask wearing are doing great harm to humanity.

  129. Dave – the science is linked at 3.47pm. If the science is inconclusive, then carry out a Risk Assessment. Have any been done on wearing of masks by the general public?

    What Dr Fauci said on masks us also linked at 3.47pm

  130. Oh look it’s that time of night when the monotonous maskophobe comes out to bore us all. Time I went to bed. Night Allan, Night all. 😉

  131. In one week, Texas reports over 1,000 new coronavirus deaths

    Three weeks after Gov. Greg Abbott issued a statewide mask mandate, new cases have leveled off and the positivity rate has fallen. Public health experts say more time is needed to see if these trends continue

    Texas Tribune, a high quality resource recommended by Daphne, who I trust is keeping well

  132. Embed did not work, here it is

    https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/?_ga=2.256449800.2095452063.1595792770-122712131.1593214018

  133. Anti maskers assault Trader Joes employees in NYC

    One of the customers ripped a mask off the face of the employee who’d asked them to wear masks, pummeled an employee over the head with a wooden paddle, and pulled the hair of a third worker, according to the police spokesperson. The employee who was pummeled with the wooden paddle (used by Trader Joe’s cashiers to signal that they’re ready to checkout a new customer) started bleeding from the head and had to go to the hospital, according to an employee who witnessed the incident. Trader Joe’s has still not publicly acknowledged the incident and did not respond to a request for comment.

    “Don’t make me get my gun,” one of the customers yelled, according to the NYPD spokesperson.

    There are multiple incidents like this across the US and in other countries as well.

    Hope that the anti maskers here are proud. Take a bow.