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MONKEY SEE….

By ATWadmin On February 20th, 2009

I see no reason for an apology for this. But some feel otherwise. This cartoon image provided by the New York Post appeared in the Post's Page Six

I guess those years of Bushitler BushChimp are now in the memory hole????

53 Responses to “MONKEY SEE….”

  1. The reaction has been a bit over the top by some, even though the paper knew it would be offensive and also slightly reckless.

  2. We’ve got four more years of race baiters doing logical somersaults to find racism in any criticism of Obama or even the Democratic party as a whole.

    I mean ffs if the chimp was meant to represent Obama why would it be portrayed as short and fat?

  3. Mahons

    Since when did a Murdoch-owned rfag give a shit about racial sensibilities?

    Of course the "cartoon" is racist. Bush is white and Obama is black. So portraying Obama as a primate has totally different overtones.

  4. yeh never a cry over the bush hitler cartoons or the cndi rice cartoons or the guy who even wrote a book on how to kill bush

    What I find interesting is that there is no reference to the President in this cartoon at all, he didn’t write the stimulas bill Pelosi did.

    So who are the racists those that see the president as the monkey and want an apology or the rest of us that just see a monkey

  5. Peter

    Your comments make no sense at all

    For starters, the stimulus bill was not written by Obama, as anyone who knows what continent America is on will be able to tell you.

    This cartoon didn’t even indirectly refer to Obama – it was an insulting, mocking jab at Pelosi and the mob of orangutans in the Congress, on a day when a terrible attack by a chimpanzee on a woman was all over the news

    The Post cartoons are always crude and vulgar. It’s part of the paper’s charm. If you can’t take it, draw a cup of tea and go read Architectural Digest someplace.

  6. Horrible cartoon.

    >>portraying Obama as a primate has totally different overtones.<<

    Exactly right Peter.

  7. "portraying Obama as a primate has totally different overtones"

    It’s a good thing that no one did that then.

  8. Troll posted:

    What I find interesting is that there is no reference to the President in this cartoon at all, he didn’t write the stimulas bill Pelosi did.

    Bullshit. Was it Pelosi that you, Patti and the rest of the gang were attacking this week over the stimulus bill? Maybe I missed something, but I got the impression that it was Obama you were after, as is this racist "cartoon". Is that primate really meant to be Pelosi?

    LOL!

  9. The right honorable chimpanzee community should be offended by the cartoon comparing them with Pelosi and that bunch of simians in the Congress.

  10. I think the Bush as Hitler cartoon or suggestions of violence towards him are absolutely objectionable.

  11. Democrat fun site

  12. BTW what colour is a chimp’s skin ?

  13. this color ( and interesting article )

  14. thankyou the phantom.

  15. Interesting info, Phantom (8:29)

    >>or the guy who even wrote a book on how to kill bush<<

    What, is that true?? LOL!

  16. More lefty humor/entertainment

    No protests about this!

  17. Phantom

    As the linked article makes clear, many people saw this as very dubious tv and Channel 4 took a lot of stick from all parts of the political spectrum.

    But Rightworld apparently can’t see any problem with the NYP "cartoon". So predictable.

  18. Phantom, whataboutery?

    Thing about this cartoon is it is not even coherent, never mind funny…just a big ‘wtf?’

  19. It was a vulgar and tasteless cartoon…that did not refer to Obama even indirectly.

    I saw the cartoon the morning it was published. I thought it a bit lame, but was surprised to hear, later in the day that the professional protesters like Sharpton were calling it racist.

    Its almost funny.

    Frank

    Yes, it is indeed not funny. Its stupid without the saving grace of being clever, the kind of leaden " humor " that ideologues from the left and right are prone to do. And the chimp attack story was unbelievably bad, so to find humor in that is incomprehensible.

  20. Anyone who seriously thinks that the ape does not refer to Obama is seriously deluding themselves.

    End of.

  21. racist, racist, racist! Lol.

    Stand back and take a good long look at yourselves and see what they’ve done to you.

    In years to come you’ll look back at this obsession you had and hopefully, at least have the decency to squirm.

  22. Peter -

    That a chimpanzee recently seriously injured a woman in the US and was shot by the police made only the small print here.

    It does set the context somewhat for the cartoon which clearly has no reference to Obama.

  23. Phantom, it doesn’t directly refer to Obama, but it does indirectly refer to him. And you would think that journalists would have more brains than to do it. They depict one of the most famous black people in the world in the same way that racists depict black people.

  24. Seamus

    Don’t buy it. I don’t see any reference to Obama at all. I’m quite serious

    This is the original NY Post article on the attack incident.

    The cartoonist is making a clumsy connection between a bizarre attack / sick relationship between human and animal ( the story of the day, big time ) and what he sees as a bad stimulus bill.

    He may want to investigate other career opportunities. Not clever and not funny

  25. Phantom, Obama was the main writer of the Stimulus bill. It was his brainchild. The Policemen in the cartoon are indicating that they need to find a new writer. It is implied that they monkey they shoot was the writer of the Stimilus bill. They are thus implying that Obama is a monkey.

  26. It’s remarkable how the defenders of Israel who cry "anti-semitism!" at each and every criticism of that state’s actions, are by and large the very same people who cannot see racism when it hits them in the face.

    For these guys, racism is nothing more than an invention of the race relations industry. Each and every instance of it is excused, every time, without exception.

  27. Don’t buy it. Obama did not write the stimulus bill. All spending bills originate in the House ( unfortunately ) and this was no different.

  28. Peter

    That was a racist comment and you should apologize

  29. Obama was the main writer of the Stimulus bill.

    Can we have some minimum IQ standards around here?

    95% of the Spendfest Act was drafted long ago. It isn’t possible to draft such a thing in a few short months.

    They did little more than blow the dust off and bind it up.

  30. Yes, Pete, but the majority of the Bill was Obama’s ideas. He was the driving force behind the Bill, its his baby as it will, its his New Deal. I doubt that FDR wrote most of the New Deal but it was still his New Deal. This stimulus is still Obama’s.

    I’m sure people like Pete will but the first ones to call this Obama’s if it doesn’t work.

  31. "So portraying Obama as a primate has totally different overtones."

    Are you suggesting he belongs to a different biological order?

  32. Saemus

    These guys have spent most of the last month attacking Obama over this bill. Now it suits them to say he wasn’t the author of it, so that’s what they say.

    They will say anything to excuse an overtly racist cartoon, because in their world there is no such thing as racism. It’s that simple.

  33. It’s Obama’s in that he pushed it, put the frighteners on the American people in support of it and signed it into law.

    But he didn’t draft it and is too incurious to know much about the detail.

    And it won’t fail. Its purpose is to confiscate wealth and entrench ever more deeply the regulatory state into an economy once based on voluntary exchange. Obama doesn’t know this, but he’s as much a halfwit as Tony Blair. He’ll be genuinely astonished when the American economy completely tanks while the suits in the background giggle away.

  34. The American economy is tanking because of an unregulated free-market debt binge, where derivatives became worth many multiples of world GDP, and not because of anything done by Obama.

    Check out who was in power from 2000 – 2008. If the US economy is still in the shit in 2012 then Obama will bear some of the blame.

  35. At best the cartoon was a foolish editorial decision, as a decent editor would recognize the likely inferences. Since the Post doesn’t have good editors (headline writers – yes, editors – no) then in some way I can see this as merely a sloppy editorial decision.

    The usual suspects of course have had their field day over it (Hazel Dukes, Al Sharpton and various other professionally racially aggrieved persons).

    And now the usual right wing suspects will have their day in response.

  36. This cartoon is like an inkblot test, some people see a chimp and think "Black person"!

    Sane people see a chimp that doesn’t resemble Obama, that is blamed for doing somthing that Obama didn’t do (write the Stimulus bill) and don’t think of Obama.

  37. Ross – Most Americans know that Black Americans have often been portrayed as monkeys, apes and chimps by our less evolved countrymen. It doesn’t take a lot to connect the dots between a Black President (not a beloved figure to the NY Post) and the cartoon, especailly with the stimulus line which has been associated with him.

    I’d have more respect for conservatives who could at least admit that an issue was raised, then those who feel the need to claim that there was nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

  38. "I’d have more respect for conservatives who could at least admit that an issue was raised"

    An issue was raised, the attempt to exploit racial sensitivity to delegitimise criticism of the Democrats for the duration of Obama’s term.

    Given that in the campaign they deduced that wearing a white suit or comparing Obama to Paris Hilton was a racist code I can’t say it hits a new low but it is fairly desperate in any case.

    Connecting two prominent news stories is pretty much the default stance for an editorial carttonist, should cartoonists be banned from referencing any story that involves a primate for the nexy four years?

  39. Mahons

    Well said.

    Ross

    Nobody is talking about banning anything. But anyone who doesn’t get the primate analogy is either pretty insensitive or wilfully blind to the racist undertone.

  40. On the subject of editorial cartoonists, here’s a clip from "The Day Today" and their "physical cartooonist" Brandt:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCPRqmMsKYI

  41. Ross – The New York Post has run a virtual non-stop attack on the Obama administration since day one, and no one has attacked them for that – it is their right. But if you could spare some intellectual honesty the cartoon was at worst an appeal to racial sterotypes and at best a reckless editorial decision.

  42. Ah! racism, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

    or if you prefer – ‘It takes one to know one!’…

  43. By the way

    Some of our overseas friends may not be aware of this, but one of the prime actors in hollerin’ racism at this thing is the
    Reverend Al Sharpton

    Who was a prime actor in race riots which ran unchecked for days under the feckless administration of Mayor David Dinkins in which a visting rabbinical student from Australia was stabbed to death

    and

    who led a series of protests against a white business owner on 125th St which culminated a violent assault on that business in which seven employees were stabbed or burned to death

    and

    Who was the prime actor in a racial hoax in which a disturbed, sick in the head young black girl falsely accused a man in upstate NY of raping her. It wrecked a family’s life and divided this region terribly for a long time

    and

    who has had his hand in a large series of public racist incidents, a number of which have led to private shakedowns of businesses for thinly disguised protection money

    This is the de facto leader
    ( with Spike Lee ) of the shameful " NY Post is racist " movement. If you want to find a racist, look to the organizer of these protests, instead of the poor zhlub who drew this damned cartoon.

    Senator Joe McCarthy saw Communists under every bed. Unfortunately, some on the left see racists under every bed.

    The allegation is a disgrace. It has zero merit, and is hereby dismissed.

    I look forward to buying the New York Post tomorrow morning.

  44. Peter:

    "So portraying Obama as a primate has totally different overtones."

    I have news for you. He IS a primate, as are most of the contributors to ATW.

  45. "Ross – The New York Post has run a virtual non-stop attack on the Obama administration since day one, and no one has attacked them for that – it is their right."

    So they waited a whole month before playing the race card, and this disproves my point how?

    "But if you could spare some intellectual honesty the cartoon was at worst an appeal to racial sterotypes and at best a reckless editorial decision."

    Look if you look at all the ways in which the left has managed to ‘discover’ racial animus as a motivation for criticism of the One it is clear that any criticism of his side can be twisted to make some racial point.

  46. "Nobody is talking about banning anything. "

    Yes they are, Spike Lee’s rent-a-mob is outside the Post building chanting "Shut down the Post".

    "But anyone who doesn’t get the primate analogy is either pretty insensitive or wilfully blind to the racist undertone."

    It is precisely because I do get the primate analogy that it is obvious that there is no racial angle. The cartoon is clearly referencing the "1000 monkeys on a typewriter for 1000 years won’t produce Shakespeare" expression, in suggesting that this is how the bill was constructed.

  47. "one of the prime actors in hollerin’ racism at this thing is the
    Reverend Al Sharpton"

    To quote Chris Rock- "Al Sharpton is a Reverend like Colonel Sanders is a war hero."

  48. Ross – Incidently what criticism or negative portrayal of Obama don’t you embrace?

    No serious person has called the NY Post’s general coverage of Obama as racist, and they have been relentless in their crtiicism (as is their right). But there is certainly a colorable claim here that the cartoon overstepped common decency.

  49. A Gay

    Which of the ATW contributors do you think are nor primates ?

    As to the cartoon, I just think it comes across as disjointed. It just doesn’t make sense.An attempt to link two stories in a comedic way that just does not work on any level.

  50. "Ross – Incidently what criticism or negative portrayal of Obama don’t you embrace? "

    I’m not sure if that is a genuine question or whether you are implying that I’ll go along with any old Obama bashing at the flimsiest opportunity. The answer is yes, I have certainly rejected some of the criticism that have been made of him on this site.

  51. "as are most of the contributors to ATW."

    I’m far from convinced of that.

  52. A chimp can’t read a telepropmpter ‘eloquently’, even when it’s set-up at press conferences. That’s why any linkage of Obama with a chimp is unsustainable.

  53. Allan:

    I must be a chump but I didn’t understand your post. Care to elucidate?

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