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THE REAL NOAH’S ARK FOUND / IN PLAIN SIGHT

By Patrick Van Roy On July 28th, 2020

Guest post Kurt

 

The most important video below ties it all together 

 

 

 

older  evidence 
    1. It is located in the mountains of Ararat.
    2. It is shaped like a ship.
    3. It is the length of the biblical Ark

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NOAHSARKSCANS.NZ – THE SUBSURFACE IMAGING PROJECT OF NOAH'S ARK
  • subsurface imaging project
further surveys
 
Attempts to involve and seek Turkish Gov’t permissions continue as with
similar approaches to the sites in Saudi ; research is hampered by authorities
making it difficult to send in ground teams .
However its clear that each survey, each scan, each scientific test carried out at the site gives us more and more data and findings to answer the question definitively
Is the Noah’s Ark ?

81 Responses to “THE REAL NOAH’S ARK FOUND / IN PLAIN SIGHT”

  1. Kurt, now I realise that this is a sensitive issue to you but Dave Alton has already explained that it would be against the laws of physical structure to build a boat of such dimensions from wood.

  2. Indiana Jones where are you when we need you?

  3. “Is the Noah’s Ark ?”

    No.

  4. //Dave Alton has already explained that it would be against the laws of physical structure to build a boat of such dimensions from wood//

    It’s an interesting subject. I’d never thought about it until I came across J. B. S. Haldane’s essay about size, called Size Matters or something. It explains (which was probably obvious to most people, but not to me) that you can’t simply increase one or two dimensions without jeopardising the whole structure. e.g. a man who doubles his linear dimensions (oh, how I’ve often dreamed of that, at least in part!) literally wouldn’t be able to stand because his weight would increase EIGHT-fold.

    Also, the surface of a man’s body is very small compared to his mass, whereas a fly’s is proportionally much bigger. This means that a fly is in real trouble if it ever, say, gets wet, and some insects can/or must breathe through their whole body surface, whereas larger animals have to develop extra surface in the form of lungs.
    And loads of other things.

    Recommended reading.

    —–

    The story of Genesis is strangely accurate in some parts. There are two conflicting accounts of creation, but one of them curiously mirrors the evolution of the universe: with the arrival of light, the planet earth, solid earth and water, fish, birds, animals and man – all appearing in the right order.

    The naming of things is also interesting from a philosophical point of view, also in the NT the bit about a notion/word, logos, existing alone in the beginning.

    Other parts of it are plainly naive. Some are disgusting, and we’re supposed to admire some things that are totally unjust and barbaric.

    There’s also such hatred, violence and racism, calls for ethnic cleansing etc. in the Bible that if it were first published today, it would probably be banned.

  5. Noah’s Ark is in Kentucky

    You can buy a ticket on line to visit it today

    Step right up

  6. Noah’s lawn mower still missing

  7. I’m sure it was said before, but what are the supposed dimensions of the ark

  8. Phantom,
    //Noah’s Ark is in Kentucky

    You can buy a ticket on line to visit it today

    Step right up//

    By ark you mean a partially reinforced concrete structure clad in wood.
    Despite what Ken Ham claims this is not a faithful recreation of Noah’s ark.

  9. !!!

  10. Phantom.

    I know you weren’t making a claim that this was the real ark mate, I was just pointing out that the ark encounter is more of a building than a boat.

  11. 300 cubits, by 80 cubits by 40 cubits….at least according to the Bill Cosby version.

  12. Noah is mis-spelled in the image

    If they can’t be bothered to spell the dude’s name right, how can they be trusted to get the arkery details right

  13. Noel is absolutely correct.

    Materials have their limits. And wood, a fantastic material though it is, can only be used to build boats so big. And close to its maximum limit, has to be supplemented with a great deal of metal bolts and fastenings. Engineers have looked at the dimensions of Noah’s ark and concluded that there is no way a wooden boat that large would not have broken up.

    The largest wooden boat ever built the Wyoming, despite being heavily supplemented with metal fastenings and plates, was not seaworthy. And she was only 350 ft long.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_(schooner)#:~:text=Wyoming%20was%20a%20wooden%20six,known%20wooden%20ship%20ever%20built.

  14. For some reason that brings this to mind

    https://www.evergreenmuseum.org/the-spruce-goose

    An amazing, insane bit of construction.

  15. Pat, if you’re reading pls check mail.

  16. Pat, if you’re reading pls check mail.

    Ditto 🙂

  17. Has ATW turned into the Weekly World News?

  18. Sometimes its more like the National Enquirer 🙂

    PS – Its good to see a flood of comments on Kurt’s post….. and thank God it wasn’t about those pesky moms 🙂

  19. There may be moms who are vets there. No one thought about that.

    Do they get twice the credit for doing whatever they’re supposed to be doing.

    Do they sell the Trump allied National Enquirer over there. It gets a lot of visibility despite it’s small circulation here, about 265,000.

    Time Magazine, not nearly the force that it once was in this country, has about 9 or 10 times that

  20. Wow that’s a small circulation. I thought the National Enquirer was like the USA’s version of our The Sun which sells millions – although in reality it is probably more like a ridiculous ‘newspaper’ we have here called the Daily Sport. You can get the National Enquirer here in limited places, more likely in City Transport hub large newsagents with a wide range of international papers.

  21. I’ll not have a bad word said against the Daily Sport!

  22. You used to see big stacks of the National Enquirer by the checkout at supermarkets and at news stands.

    Now, not so much.

    Very weird publication, used to dwell on things like UFOs or horror/murder stories, now has shifted to right wing stuff about how Hillary is the devil etc.

    Most educated people wouldn’t be caught dead holding it.

  23. The Daily Sport is a ridiculous, rubbishy tongue in cheek joke. It doesn’t have the malicious element that the NE has.

  24. anyone prepared to step and have a guess at what the structure is then
    based on the science ?

  25. paul I am familiar with displacement as regards size and weight of a ship
    we all kinda know that now watching the Titianic

    DaveA
    could you requite your linked study that shows a ship with the dimesions of Noah’d Ark
    could not float, because I found this : A team of 4 graduates in physics at the university of Leicester wrote this:

    “In their study, students decided on an average length for their calculations: 48.2 centimeters. This means that, by their approximations, the ark would have been 144.6 meters long, 24.1 meters wide, and 14.46 meters tall—the size of a very small cargo ship. They went with cypress wood, though pine and cedar wood have similar densities. Using the density of cypress, they calculated the weight of this hypothetical ark: 1,200,000 kilograms (by comparison the Titanic weighed about 53,000,000 kilograms). Based on the density of sea water, they figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it’s hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water.”

    Unfortunately the original paper is not on this link:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-noahs-ark-float-theory-yes-180950385/

    would you like to concede that you got it wrong ?

  26. Paul I am familiar with displacement as regards size and weight of a ship
    we all kinda know that now watching the Titianic

    Then why do you post the above?

    They figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it’s hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water

    The claim wasn’t the buoyancy of the vessel but whether a structure that size made of wood could maintain its own integrity.

  27. ok so it could float, that’s progess
    do you have a study that says it could not maintain its integrity
    or are you just guessing ? based on what ?

    any chance of offering a guess at what the structure is at the site ?

  28. Do you have a study that says it could not maintain its integrity
    or are you just guessing ? based on what ?

    No, I’m going on what Dave, who works with different kinds of wood, explained to you prevtously.

  29. I’d be suspicious of all this speculation

    But by all means let them do research, at their own expense

  30. Similarly large purely wooden ships tended to meet not too pleasant fates. The Wyoming, for example, was the largest wooden ship ever built (though it still had over 250-300 tonnes of metal in it). It buckled a lot. They had to use huge pumps to keep the hull free of water. And eventually it sank when they couldn’t pump it quickly enough.

    Noah’s Ark, if it were real, would have been even bigger. And suffered similar but greater problems.

    “Based on the density of sea water, they figured out that an empty box-shaped ark would float with it’s hull only dipping 0.34 meters into the water.”

    If there was nothing in it. But you are filling the thing with two of every animal remember. The empty ship would have floated (for a while anyway before it broke up because it was made of wood). A full ship with millions of animals? Not so much.

  31. fine we’ll wait for DaveA then as I don’t recall what he said or claimed ?

    paul are you not even curious what the structure might be at the site ?
    am I wasting my time asking you ( 3rd time ) for a best guess ?

    the subsurface image is pretty interesting would you not agree ?

  32. If it is a structure.

  33. seamus , there is general agreement the Wyoming sank as the huge sails would put too much strain on the structure , and as regards this Ark sails are not in the design .

    i’m suggesting its a misnomer that the Ark would be full of millions of animals
    and its not necessary to posit that or argue about that .
    there is common agreement across the board that a pair of horses on the Ark would give rise to all the different types of horses in the world right now
    alligators and other creatures like fish would survive a flood.

    but lets stick with the structure
    what do you think the subsurface photo tell us?

    lets just stick with the science
    what is it ? what does the science inform us ?

  34. I first heard this theory years ago and as I said on your last Moses post, Biblical event & place speculation doesn’t exactly keep me up at night. As to being curious to what the alleged structure is, bar a graphic, (where Noah’s name is spelled wrong), youtube video and a blog, I really don’t know anything else about it and would prefer to see reports of who did the ark scans and thermal survey? how reputable are they and which techniques were used, before I could form anything resembling a conclusion.

    Blogs and youtube clips usually don’t provide conclusive enough evidence for me to confirm speculation.

  35. that great paul
    here’s the study and the details you require

    https://noahsarkscans.nz/

  36. In late 2014, the Turkish government granted permission, to allow the site of this buried object, to be scanned using the latest deep penetration, resistivity ground imaging technique.

    This is the first time that equipment with a deep enough penetration, (38 metres), and sufficient resolution, has been used on this site, to gain a true image of the complete three dimensional structure that remains beneath the ground.

    Resistivity imaging is a technique that was developed during the 1920’s, for deep oil, and mineral exploration. More recently, new equipment has become available, with vastly improved resolution capabilities, to the extent where now it has become an effective tool in the field of archaeology.

    The data obtained from a resistivity scan, contains hundreds of individual measurements of the resistance of the subsurface ground material, at different positions and depths, without the need for excavation. Because different materials have different electrical properties, any variations in the composition, or the structure of the ground, which appear within the scanned area, can be measured and seen on the images, which are compiled from all of the data that is collected.

    The following images that are shown below, are the results of the resistivity data that was collected on the Noah’s Ark site in 2014. This first view is a side elevation of the entire length of the object, looking at the right side, and in this instance penetrating 34.8 metres, below the ground surface. (Fig. 11). The different colours in the image, display the variation in resistance throughout the ground, and show that the boat shaped outline of the hull that is seen above the ground, is three dimensional, and continues below the ground surface also.

  37. paul do you not find t interesting that the dimensions are exact
    I mean if it was half the size or twice the size it could be dismissed immediately , right ?

  38. Here’s the study and the details you require

    Yes, I read over it and find in unconvincing. I expected something more conclusive that size extrapolated from metal detector hits.

  39. I would have thought that IF the Turkish government truly believed they possessed the actual, real ark from the OT, they would be more than keen to excavate the site and encourage people to come to their country to view it. The tourist trade would be through the roof.
    As it is, it looks like they know, or at least strongly suspect that its not any sort of structure, just a natural phenomenon, which just happens to be the correct dimensions. The ‘is it/isn’t it’ mystery is more valuable to them than the ‘no, it definitely isnt’ probable reality.

  40. more conclusive ? sure looks like a hull to me, what does it look like to you ?

  41. Paul do you not find t interesting that the dimensions are exact

    No, not particularly. I suspect that speculation is being applied to theorise and don’t find it compelling.

  42. Sure looks like a hull to me

    I suspect because your spiritual beliefs mean you want it to be.

    What does it look like to you ?

    I don’t know.

    I would have thought that IF the Turkish government truly believed they possessed the actual, real ark from the OT, they would be more than keen to excavate the site and encourage people to come to their country to view it. The tourist trade would be through the roof.

    My thinking absolutely. It would be a religious pilgrimage site for many religions and a historical wonder of the world.

  43. actually funnily enough seimi you’re onto something, my findings are that the Turkish Gov’t are aware of the huge tourist potential . We may see something soon They’re not doubting the structure itself.
    But with the recent news that the Hagia Sophia has become a mosque, we’re not hoping for much from Erdogan, he’s virulantly anti-christian closing thousands of churches etc

  44. I think this is a random find and people are fitting their biblical fantasies to it !

  45. Mmy findings are that the Turkish Gov’t are aware of the huge tourist potential

    That’s an incredible claim. Some blokes on a blog are aware of its tourist potential yet the gov of Turkey, a fairly major tourist destination isn’t.

    With the recent news that the Hagia Sophia has become a mosque, we’re not hoping for much from Erdogan, he’s virulantly anti-christian closing thousands of churches etc

    That sounds like a very convenient excuse.

    Colm, I think that’s pretty much what this is.

  46. kurt,

    anyone prepared to step and have a guess at what the structure is then
    based on the science ?

    I have no idea. But those who do identify it as a natural rock formation. Similar formations are found all over the world.

    Fasold co-wrote a paper with geologist Lorence Collins titled “Bogus ‘Noah’s Ark’ from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure”, which concluded that the boat-shaped formation was a natural stone formation that merely resembled a boat. The same paper pointed out that the “anchors” were local volcanic stone.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durup%C4%B1nar_site

  47. DaveA
    that was written way before the scans particularly the recent scans
    have you seen evidence of how more sophisticated equipment aids archeology
    I have watched with fascination how Egyptologists found Avaris through advanced scanning
    and figured out how a whole city moved 100km up river
    can we have the same standards apply here – give the site a fair shake ?

    colm its in the region of Turkey , its the same length and shape of the Ark
    Maybe it is the real object ?

    paul I think you misunderstood, the Turkish Gov’t are interested in the tourist potential
    that’s how I know , some guy on blog found that out .. shock !

  48. The Turkish Gov’t are interested in the tourist potential

    Then why haven’t they excavated the site in order to make it a world heritage area and major religious destination?

    I suspect they are aware of the fragility of the claims and want to keep the speculation alive for tourism purposes.

  49. Kurt
    I think you are seeing what you want to see here. Me? I see a natural geological formation, nothing more. Sorry mate.

  50. It’s the new Loch Ness monster.

    Have fun with this story.

  51. those who do identify it as a natural rock formation.

    c’mon Dave , natural structures don’t reveal hull like shapes, of exact size and dimension of the Ark , length 300 cubits, breadth 50 cubits, and height 30 cubits.
    whether you like it or not that is the shape of the structure, that’s what the science says

    thermal survey:

    Since the 1970s, archaeologists have known that thermal infrared images have the potential to reveal archaeological features ranging from buried architecture to concentrations of surface artifacts and cultural landscape elements such as roads, fields, or earthworks

    https://experiment.com/u/gALuvg

    SUBSURFACE IMAGING
    We turn geophysical data into actionable information. Our internationally acclaimed subsurface imaging centers apply innovative methods to get the most out of potential field, borehole seismic and surface seismic data. Specialty algorithms cope with extremes of structure, velocity contrasts and anisotropy while imaging subsalt reservoirs, heterogeneous shale plays and bypassed hydrocarbons in mature fields. 4D processing identifies changes over time in fluid, pressure and stress. Broadband processing draws out thin beds and small sedimentary traps. Project output ranges from feasibility studies to interpretation and reservoir characterization-ready volumes.

    https://www.cgg.com/en/What-We-Do/Subsurface-Imaging

  52. DaveA
    could you requite your linked study that shows a ship with the dimesions of Noah’d Ark
    could not float, because I found this : A team of 4 graduates in physics at the university of Leicester wrote this:

    Unfortunately the original paper is not on this link:

    I’ve actually read the original piece, and all it proved, is the obvious fact that a large wooden box with weight equivalent to the supposed rescued animals inside could float. It didn’t take into account any structural engineering issues.
    I never said that it would.t float kurt, I said a wooden vessel that large would break up.

    From your own link:

    A boat sunk to its max in the water while still staying afloat could easily take on water from any breaching waves. And according to Euler-Bernoulli beam theory, the strength of a wooden beam decreases with its size, so because when things get bigger they break more easily, the beams that held this huge ark together might have been extremely fragile. Else the beams were short, which would also introduce structural weaknesses due to the higher number of seams between wood planks.

    There’s a reason that throughout our history, we’ve only build wooden vessels up to a certain size. This size could increase somewhat with the advent of iron and steel added to the boat to provide additional strength. But even then the maximum size was still below that of the ark. The amount of flex and twist in the frame of the ark, even in the mildest of waters would have stressed the would beyond it’s limits, causing it to split of more likely, break apart at it’s joints with other timbers. Also, the tar and pitch coating would not have been flexible enough to seal the gapes that would have opened up as the wood moved along the superstructure. It would have leaked like a sieve. It’s simple materials engineering.

    From your own link:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%E2%80%93Bernoulli_beam_theory

    would you like to concede that you got it wrong ?

    What did I get wrong?

  53. c’mon Dave , natural structures don’t reveal hull like shapes, of exact size and dimension of the Ark , length 300 cubits, breadth 50 cubits, and height 30 cubits.
    whether you like it or not that is the shape of the structure, that’s what the science says

    It’s not about whether I ‘like it or not’ kurt. Emotions don’t come into this for me. It’s whether there’s any evidence to conclude this isn’t anything other than a natural rock formation and having look at the evidence, there isn’t. There’s no evidence to even conclude the main structure is fossilised wood.

    http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/bogus.html

  54. Kurt,

    Do you have any evidence that isn’t provided by, or in any way shape or form linked to, Ron Wyatt?

  55. Seamus

    Unless you start believing kurt soon , he’ll show you some Ronnie Kray shape ‘evidence’ then you’ll start believing 🙂

  56. Well the Kray twins were two of a kind so they were probably on the Ark.

  57. I wonder if they ever threatened Noah with the Chelsea smile?

  58. seamus Wyatt started it, but that was in the 1970’s , people link to him
    but the equipment and geophysics/scans now taking place are all clearly new like the subsurface imgage.
    question: do you apply the same standards to biblical discoveries like artifacts and cties and so on , using modern equipment as with Egyptology ?

    paul

    https://eastturkeyexpedition.com/tours/noahs-ark/

    sorry DaveA – you’re being disingenuous I believe, that link you provided the most recent date is 25 years ago in their research . so you’re ignoring everything discovered and mapped in the last 25 years is that your position ? to locate articles 25 years old, and ignore recent surveys ?

    are you interested in what’s been found via imaging in recent years ?
    if you are you can’t claim that a rock formation down there can you ?

    or maybe you can , got anything with similar geophysics that show natural formation
    and how bout the precise size and dimensions, does that not make you pause ?

    there are tours already , lots of sites offering tours
    now if that is happening, that’s either turning a blind eye by Turkish Authorities

    I don’t agree with your suspicions, I think like the Saudi at Jebel -Al-Lawz there are religious reasons for denying permits, they’re shitting it that it could be the Real thing.
    or active encouragement.

  59. colm just arguing the case buddy nothing more nothing less
    the science is strong, and recent surveys are incredible

    DaveA says there is others like this , would like to see that

  60. Paul

    https://eastturkeyexpedition.com/tours/noahs-ark/

    Yes Dave, like I said:

    Then why haven’t they excavated the site in order to make it a world heritage area and major religious destination?

    I suspect they are aware of the fragility of the claims and want to keep the speculation alive for tourism purposes.

  61. Well the Kray twins were two of a kind so they were probably on the Ark.

    Good one Seamus 🙂

  62. Yes Dave,

    Whoops,

    Yes Kurt, […]

  63. sorry DaveA – you’re being disingenuous I believe, that link you provided the most recent date is 25 years ago in their research . so you’re ignoring everything discovered and mapped in the last 25 years is that your position ? to locate articles 25 years old, and ignore recent surveys ?

    Perhaps you need to look up the meaning of disingenuous kurt.
    Did you actually read the article? It’s age has nothing to do with it’s veracity.
    It actually explains how these structures form and what they are made of, facts which haven’t changed in 25 years. The only thing that’s changed in the last 25 years is that they’ve mapped the structure underground. A structure loosely shaped like a fast sailing yacht. Not the oblong box shape most popular with those who believe the ark existed.

    From the article:

    Limonite concentrations in dividing walls can be formed naturally because stresses applied to rocks that are folded into a boat shape commonly produce fracture patterns that cut across sedimentary layers. Water moving through these fractures and coming in contact with ilmenitic magnetite (or pyrite) granules in the layers, would produce the limonite concentrations and stains.

    Finally, no fossilized wood or traces of elemental carbon, wood, or reed fragments have ever been found associated with the limonite walls or in any other place during trenching or core drilling. The absence of ancient biotic carbons supports the hypothesis that the boat-shaped structure is not Noah’s Ark. Inorganic carbon in calcite in veins cutting the layers, however, is common.

  64. its too culturally sensitive paul is my reply to that as with the Saudi Sites, indeed the same is found in Egypt, no-one from these places, or indeed many scientists don’t want to see anything Christian or Jewish being approved or detailed.
    That’s the world we live in I’m afraid !

  65. ” do you apply the same standards to biblical discoveries like artifacts and cties and so on , using modern equipment as with Egyptology ?”

    When they are discovered by professionals, and subject to peer review analysis etc… then yes. When they are discovered by quacks and published on creationist websites? Not so much.

    “its too culturally sensitive paul is my reply to that as with the Saudi Sites, indeed the same is found in Egypt, no-one from these places, or indeed many scientists don’t want to see anything Christian or Jewish being approved or detailed.”

    Why would Saudi or Egyptian authorities not want Jewish or Christian findings being approved or detailed?

  66. “its too culturally sensitive” means they aren’t bothering to make much of these sites because they know its a load of old baloney 🙂

  67. Its too culturally sensitive paul is my reply to that

    How is it too ‘culturally sensitve’ when they allow expeditions to it Kurt?

  68. That’s a good question seamus, as Abraham is the common ancestor of all faiths so to speak
    who journeyed to the lands of Canaan , they think they have found his well

    I think because it has nothing to do with Mohammed 6th Century AD the research at these sites would not give them anything to bolster Islam
    The Dome of the Rock is reputed to be the place where God offered up his son , so obviously they consider that important. There really should be excavations around the sites in Saudi
    there is so much evidence for human habitation

    DaveA
    the thermal imagery clearly shows carbon evidence latent from wood
    I’ll look further into this and get back to you, he’s talking about the ribs
    Its just one small area. rivets have been found , there’s much more
    and would be 4000 years old lets not forget, most of the wood would be pilfered and used
    for local buildings after the flood preceded

    I’ve got great DNA proof that all peoples literally came out of an area the bible calls Babel, where God scattered them .. Its impressive ..

  69. out of an area the bible calls Babel,

    Just north of the village of Balderdash 🙂

  70. paul, colm
    teams and research people are forever trying to get into these places and they are finding it very difficult to get in , paperwork , permits suspicion , cmon its commmon in these lands
    they don’t like westerners rooting around, Islam is all controlling , use your noodles 😉

  71. “I think because it has nothing to do with Mohammed 6th Century AD the research at these sites would not give them anything to bolster Islam”

    Except the fact that figures of Judaism and figures of Christianity are also figures of Islam. So confirming the historicity of Moses etc… would be as important to Islam as it is to Christianity and Judaism. So there should be no cultural problems in doing so. I think the most likely answer is that the people applying for these digs are charlatans without proper credentials.

  72. Oh kurt, I know this is all so important to you but I am gently mocking you because I cant take it seriously.

    An archaeologist once found a pair of remarkably preserved undergarments in the bedroom of an ancient dwelling in Jerusalem. He ran out to his assistant holding the item of clothing up saying “Look look I have found the knickers of Mary” – “You mean the Virgin Mary ?” exclaimed the assistant… “well she was when she entered the bedroom” came the reply 🙂

  73. not true seamus, they won’t let anyone in, that guy you trashed on the moses thread spent years negotiating permissions to enter the sites.
    Look if the west are getting excited about it , then the muslims aren’t , its a threat
    mohammed is not mentioned in the bible anywhere. its not of interest to growing Islam

  74. haha colm, i enjoy religious jokes and loved the life of Brian , a wonderful film

  75. I actually just thought that joke up . Not bad eh, even if I am blowing my own trumpet 🙂

  76. Cmon its commmon in these lands
    they don’t like westerners rooting around, Islam is all controlling

    Rubbish Kurt, Turkey isn’t Saudi Arabia, even with Erdógan and I’ve heard the theory of the Ark for years, when Turkey was a much more secular society.

    My guess as I said above is that Turkey knows the fragiity of the claims and doesn’t want an excavation because it would expose the theory as false and the tourism potential of the site would be lost.

  77. I think it looks like a whale.

  78. Some of my conclusions are preliminary, but are represented here because the site is now currently inaccessible to investigators, due to political unrest near the Iran-Turkey border

    a researcher – there’s some of the reasons

    When the site is again accessible to foreign investigators

  79. “mohammed is not mentioned in the bible anywhere. its not of interest to growing Islam”</i<

    But they do have an interest in the Qur'an. And the most mentioned person in the Qur'an? Not Muhammad. Muhammad is only mentioned in the Qur'an four times. The person most mentioned in the Qur'an is Isa ibn Maryam, otherwise known as Jesus son of Mary. He is mentioned 187 times in the Qur'an. The second most mentioned person in the Qur'an? Musa ibn Imran, Moses son of Amram. He is mentioned 136 times. The Qur'an uses a title – Ulu l-'Azm – which is given to the most important prophets of Islam. It literally means the steadfast. Those five prophets are Muhammad, Isa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), Ibrahim (Abraham), and Nuh (Noah). So the idea that Muslims have no interest in confirming the historicity of their most important prophets is, like so many of your comments in your Biblical historical posts, made in complete and utter ignorance of the subject matter. You want these things to be true so much that they will be true to you, no matter how stupid you have to act to convince yourself of their truthfulness.

  80. DaveA

    this is interesting

    the guys who wrote the paper you quoted :

    In April 1997, in sworn testimony at an Australian court case, Fasold repeated his doubts and noted that he regarded the claim that Noah’s ark had been found as “absolute BS”.[18][19][20]

    Others, such as fellow ark researcher David Allen Deal, reported that before his death, Fasold returned to a belief that the Durupınar site might be the location of the ark.[21] His close Australian friend and biographer June Dawes wrote:

    He [Fasold] kept repeating that no matter what the experts said, there was too much going for the [Durupınar] site for it to be dismissed. He remained convinced it was the fossilized remains of Noah’s Ark.[22]

  81. It is the Preserver of Life!

    Praise be to Enki. Bow before him, muggles.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utnapishtim