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AND THEY’RE OFF!

By Pete Moore On July 30th, 2020

Donald Trump (sic) has suggested November’s presidential election be postponed, saying increased postal voting could lead to fraud and inaccurate results.

He floated a delay until people could “properly, securely and safely” vote.

The President tweeted again, and the media and all the talking heads have done exactly what he wants, which is amplify the idea of fraudulent votes while ignoring something else. He’s a master at getting these dummies to look under this cup and not that cup.

Look, he’s right about fraudulent Democrat votes. They hoover them up. So does Labour here. The left parties rely heavily on it, hence their vehement opposition to voter ID and clean elections. But the presidential election won’t be delayed. Everyone knows that. The date is constitutionally protected. It would require Congressional approval for a change and the chances of that are zero.

73 Responses to “AND THEY’RE OFF!”

  1. AND THEY’RE OFF!

    Whoopee, I can hardly contain my excitement…. oh look Emmerdale’s starting 🙂

  2. Trump knows nothing about the Constitution.

    And he says the first thing that comes to his head, with no filter.

    That’s why he says stuff like this.

    We had elections during the Civil War and during two world wars, but can’t have one now, because Donald is doing bad in the polls.

  3. He knows it won’t be postponed. This is just him preparing to lose without grace.

  4. Funny its always the right wing that is getting convicted of voter fraud

  5. I heard a funny joke the other day

    52 years ago america sent a man to the moon, now they can’t even go to Canada

  6. Doesn’t have one ounce of manly dignity in him

    He will be crying in self pity, bawling that he was cheated as he is dragged out of there.

  7. the only interesting piece of news after the election is decided is will an GOP or news outlets run with Trumps idea , most crooked election ever , cheaters etc etc
    they have a chance to say nothing and lose no points by just saying Biden won it fair and square .. lets see how they roll, inc on here too .

  8. No one in the country is enthusiastic about Biden but he looks OK at present.

  9. this election is like no other , i’ve heard lifelong republicans say they’d vote for a tin of tuna over Trump . Character matters and it matters the most in the WH.
    USA can never make that mistake again ..

  10. Trump will win 🙂

  11. “i’ve heard lifelong republicans say they’d vote for a tin of tuna over Trump .”

    You were talking to the tin of tuna, and that’s what you thought it said.

  12. Major Republicans’ including Mitch McConnell, quickly rejected Trump’s stupid suggestion. It is a sign of Trump’s weakness and desperation to avoid inevitable defeat. His party have made it clear that he walks alone to the gallows.

  13. Trump is serving notice that he will not accept the result if he loses. He said the same in 2016. If it’s a narrow win for Biden, Trump will sit tight in the White House, be sure of it. And be sure that all the Trumpists will cheer him on.

  14. He is lying about voter fraud. And his enablers spread the lie.

  15. He lies about everything.

  16. The best outcome would be that this outrageous provocation from Trump will help to trigger a huge Biden win. It could backfire badly on the schmuck. Any undecideds will not be impressed by someone who refuses to play by the rules. And the motivation on the Dems to get out and vote just got a lot higher.

  17. Here is the view of a conservative law professor who voted for Trump:

    “I have voted Republican in every presidential election since 1980, including voting for Donald Trump in 2016. I wrote op-eds and a law review article protesting what I believe was an unconstitutional investigation by Robert Mueller. I also wrote an op-ed opposing President Trump’s impeachment.

    But I am frankly appalled by the president’s recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist. But this latest tweet is fascistic and is itself grounds for the president’s immediate impeachment again by the House of Representatives and his removal from office by the Senate…

    So we certainly should not even consider canceling this fall’s election because of the president’s concern about mail-in voting, which is likely to increase because of fears about Covid-19. It is up to each of the 50 states whether to allow universal mail-in voting and Article II of the Constitution explicitly gives the states total power over the selection of presidential electors…

    President Trump needs to be told by every Republican in Congress that he cannot postpone the federal election. Doing so would be illegal, unconstitutional and without precedent in American history. Anyone who says otherwise should never be elected to Congress again.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200731&instance_id=20861&nl=the-morning&regi_id=92386359&segment_id=34885&te=1&user_id=88a853b48475ac441e2bca51f72ddacb

  18. trump just lost another 3% approval ratings man he’s going for the lowest rating polling ever.
    I don’t think he understands low = lose he’s that thick

  19. I really have to keep reiterating this growing triumphalism among anti-Trumpers that he is heading for a spectacular fall really needs to be reigned in. Such hubris is risky and serves little purpose but it can also make many would be voters lazy. The way for Democrats to win this election is to take Trump voters seriously and to believe they could win again and need to be actively defeated, not just complacently smile and think you are coasting to an easy change of President in November.

  20. calm down dear colm
    this blog is not aimed at a voting audience, we can have a luxury and liberty they can’t afford. You’re absolutely right though within America itself, Biden needs a massive turnout
    to completely squash all the bitch/moaning of Trump which has already started .
    with a 500 electoral college defeat or close to , there’s no way any Republican will back anything Trump says; they’ll be looking ahead for the GOP rebuild and won’t want to touch him with a barge-pole
    In fact look out for ” Trump? yeah never met the guy”

    good old stalwarts like palmer weekly make the points you’ve made 🙂
    Its safe

  21. +
    people like phantom/mahons don’t vote ( far too superior for such gross acts like queuing up with peasants and minorities, they’re ties and shirts might get dirty 😉
    dunno bout New Yorker

  22. Kurt

    Bad dose of meth?

    I have voted in nearly election in the course of my adult lifetime

    You know what it happens when you assume

  23. Phantom

    You beat me to it. I’m sure you all vote.

  24. What’s up with this guy. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you say things like that

    The polls typically open at 6am here, the lines are never long

    But I will typically plan my day around voting just to be sure That nothing prevents me from doing it

    I typically show up to vote at 6:30 or 7 AM

    I’ve never understood those who choose not to vote, and I will always try to encourage non-voters to get involved

    It is an efficient, friendly process. I like the little chit chat with my neighbors Who run the polling site

  25. I’m the same way. I vote early to avoid the crowds. I always wear a sports jacket to show respect for the democratic process and our country.

    And I do wear that corny “I voted” sticker that day to remind others to vote as well.

  26. Hear, hear, Charles and Phantom.

  27. Kurt

    I don’t know why you claimed Phantom and Mahons dont vote. They have clearly demonstrated here they are political aware and responsible citizens.

  28. You rock!

    I love the process, the routine

    And the way they do it in New York State, it’s pretty contactless now

    You are given a sheet of paper that you complete with a pen, in a private cubicle thing

    You bring the ballot to a scanner And you yourself insert into the scanner.

    The machine tells you that the ballot has been recognized

    If there are any problems, there is a paper trail right there

  29. Voter turnout He is typically very high in my part of Brooklyn

    I think that nearly all my friends are registered to vote, and that they vote in every important election

  30. Charles

    Most of the poll workers Buy me are retired people who do it every election in exchange for a small payment

    Is that how it works there

  31. no probs, just wanted to extract the confessions colm 😉

    “by indirection, direction finds” who wrote that gentlemen?

  32. phantom , why did ya leave it to everyone else to vote for Obama in 2012 and 2016 ?

  33. I always wear a sports jacket to show respect for the democratic process and our country.

    Sophistication incarnate.

  34. “trump just lost another 3% approval ratings man he’s going for the lowest rating polling ever.”

    Well he’s not. Trump’s approval ratings are not great but you are overstating the case. Firstly his approval hasn’t fallen in the last month. Was about on average 40.5% a month ago and is still on average about 40.5%. Which is a positive for Trump after a torrid couple of months. He has lost 5% approval rating points since the start of April. Not losing anymore is a start for him.

    He also at this point has higher approval points than Jimmy Carter did at this time, George H.W. Bush did (not great company as both lost but still higher than both). At George W. Bush low point his approval rating was in the low 20s, comapred to Trump’s in the low 40s. Harry Truman and Tricky Dicky also had approval ratings in the 20s at times. So Trump is in trouble, and has lower approval ratings than a sitting President should have at this point in time. There is no need to overstate it.

    It is also worth noting that sitting Presidents normally get an approval rating bump going into elections (whether they win or lose). Normally by an average of about 3%. Now if Trump was to hold to history (which he does have a teflon ability to not hold to history) then the expecation is that his approval will improve by at least 3% in the coming months. That makes the election tighter. His net approval at the moment is -15 and he is losing by about 8%. Improve his approval rating (and his disapproval rating) by 3% and his net approval increases to -9. That puts him in the ballpark.

  35. Let’s not pay attention to the changeable polls of a fickle voter base.

    The vote matters, not the hundred polls before it.

  36. The problem with this president is not that he is failing in his attempts to lead.

    GW Bush failed at a number of things, but no one can deny that he tried his best.

    The problem with Mr Trump is that he has never attempted to lead. Especially on the virus, where he has been if anything an agent of chaos and anti leadership.

    And whereas all previous presidents have tried to unify the country, Trump has again done the opposite, always ripping at the scab.

  37. Phantom

    Yes, the poll workers here are generally retirees looking to make a little extra jingle. They are real patriots, working long hours for little pay.

    Paul, I’m glad I didn’t mention my $50 silk pocket handkerchief! 🙂

  38. phantom

    The vote matters

    then

    why did ya leave it to everyone else to vote for Obama in 2012 and 2016 ?

    see colm , ask a direction question, they duck it
    so quite often you have to use indirection to find the direction

    capiche me old sausage ? 😉

    ——————————————————————

    seamus polls need a few days to catch up on Trumps recent statement
    it certainly led to the co-founder of the conservative Federalist Society
    going ape-shit

    “I am frankly appalled by the president’s recent tweet seeking to postpone the November election. Until recently, I had taken as political hyperbole the Democrats’ assertion that President Trump is a fascist.”

    hunching that will translate to a 3% drop, lets see shall we ?

  39. This election is make or break for the Republican Party for the next 50 years. The expectation is that if the Dems win the WH and Congress the first order of business is to grant full amnesty and voting rights to millions of illegal aliens. Republicans will be out voted for two generations. We will effectively be a one party state.

  40. I voted for McCain, despite his idiotic Palin choice, and for the excellent Mitt Romney, because I thought that they were better choices than Obama.

    I vote for the best candidate. What do you do?

  41. “hunching that will translate to a 3% drop, lets see shall we ?”

    Honestly, probably not. Opinions on Trump are baked in. And you can disagree with someone on one issue but still have a favourable impression of them. People who support Trump are unlikely to be put off by an idiotic suggestion (all his previous idiotic suggestions didn’t put them off) while people who are outraged by this suggestion where unlikely to support Trump anyway.

    It also likely had its desired impact. We are all talking about mail voting (and the unlikely potential for fraud) and Trump being Trump, rather than talking about the biggest collapse in the American economy ever.

  42. Charles

    That is fair comment.

    And Biden may be a physically weak figurehead, who would be pushed by the left on this and other things.

  43. GW Bush failed at a number of things, but no one can deny that he tried his best

    I found Dubya and Reagan’s politics to be pretty much contrary to mine but they came across as warm, affable, polite, human and even on some occasions, humble. They also took the job of their office very seriously.

    All traits absolutely absent in the crude hustler occupying the office at the moment who sees it as the ultimate vanity project.

  44. Trump was of course stupid to tweet about the election date, but he brings up a serious issue about mail in ballots having a real impact in lousing up the election.

  45. “We will effectively be a one party state.”

    Or it will force the Republican Party to stop with the dog whistles and get serious about appealling to hispanic voters. Hispanic voters voted 35% for George W. Bush. It has been the anti-immigrant rhetoric of the right, combined with the desire to treat anyone with brown skin as a potential illegal immigrant, that has driven that number down.

    The increase in hispanic voters, amnesty for illegals or no amnesty for illegals, is coming at speed. And the only way the Republicans can stop the Democrats from flipping Arizona, flipping Texas etc… is to find a way to appeal to hispanic voters. An amnesty for illegals accelerates that need but ultimately the demographics are going to do it in the end anyway.

  46. The US mail is not 100% dependable. Every so often, I will get mis-delivered mail meant for others.

    Even today, in the time of electronic documents, penny pinching private companies will often send important paper documents by Fedex or UPS even though the cost is three times what USPS charges.

    Because they want to make sure that it gets there.

    I see no need for a major expansion of mail voting.

    The best way to control things is to have physical voting places, that are well run, that never have long lines. That is the standard. If the states don’t meet those standards, they should be held to account.

  47. “Trump was of course stupid to tweet about the election date, but he brings up a serious issue about mail in ballots having a real impact in lousing up the election.”

    There is no evidence of substantial voter fraud in postal voting. In addition there is no evidence that it favours one party over another. In Florida in 2016 1.3 million registered Republicans applied for a postal vote, compared to 1.3 million registered Democrats. So it isn’t a serious issue. It is an attempt from Trump to both distract from his ongoing performance problems while at the same time throwing doubt on an election that he believes that he is going to lose.

  48. GW Bush has very friendly relations with hispanics, and he got a lot of their votes also.

  49. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mr-bushs-spanish-fluency/

    GW Bush would have a serviceable knowledge of Spanish

    Jeb Bush is fluent

    Which would be the case a number of anglos who grew up in Texas.

  50. Seamus

    I don’t worry so much about fraud as the manual, time consuming counting of the mail in ballots. I don’t want it to be a month before we know who the next president is because some state can’t get it voting act together, especially a 50/50 swing state like Michigan for example.

  51. If the Republicans had been smart they’d have outflank the Democrats on the issue on the left. The Republicans should have got there first on dreamers, on guest worker programmes, on pathways to citizenship etc…

    In 2018 47% of all births in Texas (births being citizens regardless of the status of the parents) were hispanic. Only 33% were white. 20% were other minorities. In 2018 Ted Cruz, who is hispanic, only took 35% of the hispanic vote in Texas. He however took 66% of the white vote. And whites made up 56% of voters. A 3% swing from white voters to hispanic voters and Ted Cruz loses in Texas. 3% drop in white voters.

    In the coming decades the Republicans cannot win as a whites only party.

    “I don’t worry so much about fraud as the manual, time consuming counting of the mail in ballots. I don’t want it to be a month before we know who the next president is because some state can’t get it voting act together, especially a 50/50 swing state like Michigan for example.”

    That is an issue, and the key to it is to target resource at it. My understanding is that states have a date they have to submit results by. I’m not sure of the ramifications of them not doing so.

  52. //You are given a sheet of paper that you complete with a pen, in a private cubicle thing
    You bring the ballot to a scanner And you yourself insert into the scanner.
    The machine tells you that the ballot has been recognized//

    Sounds like a great idea – squaring the circle of the traditional confidence in paper ballots and the speed and reliability of electronic counting. They need something like that everywhere.

    And it must drastically cut down the number of error and spoiled votes, if the scanner tells you something is amiss and sends you back to do it again.
    Very good.

    But no system IMO beats the Irish. Election night is a whole evening event where the entire country is involved, sometimes continuing well into the night and the next day as the higher counts come in. It gives people a sense of the unity of the country, the character and vagaries of distant constituencies where they may never have been. Above all, it makes democracy exciting and promotes a high turnout.

  53. Everyone’s proper goal should bed that you have a clear winner by no later than the following morning after Election Day.

    In a divided country where the national election is effectively decided by a number of swing states, an increase in mail voting makes that harder, not easier to accomplish.

    I support early voting, but not an expanded mail voting.

    Everything works better when you have votes cast at designated places, with a continuous chain of custody for the paper ballots.

  54. Phantom, I agree 100%. Mail-in ballots introduce variables into the system that are not helpful to the process.

  55. That will require additional resources, which should come from the federal government. In too many places the state government leaves it up to the county administration (who don’t have the resources). The result is that in many places (particularly poorer communities) there already isn’t enough resource put in and often have consolidation of voting places into a single location. The result is huge delays, queues etc… which are bad enough (and voter supressing) at the best of times, never mind in the current crisis.

    Additional resource should be made available for more polling places, longer early voting etc… and that additional resource should come from the federal government.

  56. Trump has bollixed up the entire discussion with his entirely dishonest claim about massive and intentional voter fraud.

    There are plenty of sound reasons for all to be wary of expanded mail voting.

  57. Seamus, That is true. During a big election like this lines are long enough, and add in social distancing, fewer people allowed at any one time in the polling place, a general slowing down of the process, and you’ve got big problems. That’s why early voting is vital. But this comes at at time of budget cuts.

  58. //Everyone’s proper goal should be that you have a clear winner by no later than the following morning after Election Day.//

    Not so important in the US, where the winner doesn’t take office until a full two months after he’s elected. In the UK, the winner drives from his private home early in the morning after the election straight to Buckingham Palace where he’s given his “letters patent” and then moves straight into No. 10.

    The modern demand for speed needs to be ignored in many cases. A fast process is also forgotten fast, whereas a more drawn-out count is more likely to teach people something about how the process works, what are the various bodies involved, the applicable laws etc. I know a lot of people in Europe learned a lot from the Bush/Gore deadlock in Florida, in the US it must have been far more. Interest and confidence in the election system is becoming increasingly important in all our countries. A few snags or delays here and there, or anything that heightens the excitement, the entertainmnet value if you like, is probably a good thing.

  59. It is idiotic to have counties run any state or national elections.

    This should be a state responsibility.

    Those states that always have long lines are probably doing that intentionally. Voter suppression.

    Even a low tech paper system should have lines that move in an orderly fashion.

  60. A delayed result is awful

    And will be more awful here this year, with a highly dishonest incumbent who will at all times try to divide the nation, rather than to heal it.

    He will not put a loss behind him, not ever. He could lose all fifty states and would say that he was cheated by the deep state. This is who he is.

    In such a case, a quick result will be less bad than a delayed one, when your Hannitys and your Patricks will be spinning tales of fraud from morn to night.

  61. fair enough phantom, at least you went out there and did it , kudoes
    we just hope you don’t pick the loser this time round 😉
    not a good habit that !

  62. Voting for the winner is only worthwhile when the winner is worthwhile.

  63. clearly

  64. Yes

    No one should have been proud to vote for Trump.

    The country would be in a better place if Romney had won, and we might be coming to the end of his second term now, without any of the Trump scatterbrain tweet dramas of the past years.

  65. “But this comes at at time of budget cuts.”

    It does and it doesn’t. Obviously, both in terms of increased spending and lower revenue, this is going to explode government deficits all over the world. There will be a financial reckoning with that. However the government bond market now is cheap as hell, unlike in 2008 when markets were over bearish. So if a country’s debt level is not too high (and too high is a debatable number) then it is probably just as financially prudent to borrow to ride out the wave rather than making hacking cuts that will impose further damage on the economy.

  66. phantom how are you measuring a Romney / Obama ?
    think everyone agrees Obama first term was amazing, not so the 2nd term
    but to what extent was that him being stymied by congress ?
    on what matters the economy the numbers were heading in the right direction no ?
    sealed the deal in Iran and other accords, he did as much as he could before they hog-tied him down .
    I only wish Romney has beaten Trump in the 2016 run-up
    so its all GOP fault that we got 4 years of a crazy indecent zero-character immoral bastard

  67. I don’t think Obama’s presidency was amazing first term or second term. He appears good by comparison to his predecessor and his successor. But in both domestic policy and foreign policy Obama’s major successes were putting out the fires that Dubya left him. That is admirable in itself. Obama in terms of both foreign and domestic policy was a broadly good steward. Not to say there weren’t errors but broadly speaking he managed everything pretty well.

    But he was far from transformative. He fixed the broken stuff but didn’t really add anything. Which giving his advantages in his first half-term with dominant majorities in Congress is kind of unforgivable.

    His only major long term change was Obamacare. Which isn’t all that shit hot. Better than anything the Republicans have on offer but still not great.

  68. I think that Obama did a pretty good job

    The economy did enter a sustained recovery on his watch, despite the local fake news guys who will never admit it

    The Iran deal was ok by me.

    I only say that Romney should have won because he is a sober and world class intellect with leadership skills. IF he won then, he would have won in 2016. And our country and our alliances would been spared the trauma of the past 3 1/2 years.

    The detailed Romney would have done way better with Covid 19. Anyone would have done better.

  69. Obmacare was poor but it was a small improvement and it was done in the face of scorched earth opposition from Republicans who wanted to do nothing to fix a huge national problem

  70. If you’re legitimately on the electoral register surely you have a democratic right to exercise your franchise by post if impeded from attending a polling station?

    I suspect Trump is flying kites here and preparing his ground for not having to relinquish office in the event of him losing the election. Expect biggly moaning, self pity & insults.


  71. I suspect Trump is flying kites here and preparing his ground for not having to relinquish office in the event of him losing the election. Expect biggly moaning, self pity & insults.

    Bill Maher has predicted this for more than a year.

    Bet the ranch on it.

  72. Has any country tried voting by internet? If financial transactions are secure why would not be as secure if properly designed and implemented.

  73. Early days but there has been electronic voting in some countries for local elections

    Incl Canada and Estonia

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_by_country