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HAPPY EID

By Pete Moore On August 1st, 2020

The state of it. What a shower.

77 Responses to “HAPPY EID”

  1. Eid Mubarak to our Muslim neighbours. There was a lovely scene in Croke Park yesterday – a joyful show of religious solidarity in the cathedral of Irish sport.

  2. Eid celebrations in Dublin:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0731/1156594-eid-croke-park/

  3. Thanks Paul! That’s the one.

  4. Reg;

    Croke Park is not just a stadium.
    It’s the spiritual Mecca of the #Irish nation, associated with #freedom, #liberty & #nationalism.

    Yesterday #EidAtCrokePark was testimony of “Religious and civil liberty & cherishing all the children of the nation equally” as in #Proclamation.

    https://twitter.com/DrUmarAlQadri/status/1289558617008377857

  5. Croke Park is now a symbol of a people who have forgotten their history and don’t know who they are. The future doesn’t belong to such people. They will be outbred, outnumbered and dispossessed.

  6. Lol. If you say so, Peadar.

    Paul’s tweet shows clearly how this gesture is in line with the ideals of the Proclamation itself.

  7. Pete is the very e-idea of diversity that frightens you so much ? Poor thing you .

  8. How many women were in Croke Park?

    Why is the GAA playing footsie with misogynistic superstition?

    The Old Left would have been ashamed of what their movement became.

  9. Lol petem you only like the “divide” bit in diversity . Keep trying . Its not gonna work .
    We know what were doing and so does the GAA and Irish Govt . Left in your hands there would be carange and hate on the streets every night .
    A polite – no thanks pal . We are not c*nts

  10. The GAA is “old Left”? What are you wittering on about.

  11. MR –

    I’m not wittering on about the GGA being Old Left, obviously.

    The Old Left was conservative, traditional, and would have had no truck with barbaric, misogynistic imports like this. The left today has nothing positive to say about their own countries, and only campaigns on flooding them with unlimited immigration from backward societies. For some reason the GAA has aligned itself with these malign forces and against Irishness.

  12. Humbug
    The left holds the view that patriotism is defined as holding the govts to account and striving for its highest ideals.
    Needs a backbone for that.
    Bootlickers and lickspittles on the right never have the courage to say boo to a goose.
    They think it’s disloyal
    Lol the fools
    E.g pat cannot and will not ever critise Trunk
    And genuinely believes he’s being a try patriot
    It’s errant demonstrable nonsense

  13. Did we not have to cancel Easter because of social distancing? Oh, I forgot. The law doesn’t apply to some.

  14. Why could there not have been a Mass Easter Sunday at the Park in the same manner?

  15. Charles –

    I’m not sure the law doesn’t apply to some. Remember, public health ideology teaches us that the coronavirus is choosy. Packed race-hustling demonstrations are safe, a day on a windy beach is irresponsible. That kind of thing.

    So you can’t attend a funeral for a relative or friend, but if he was called John Lewis you can pack in tight. Churches are virus-free zones on such days.

    Dem’s the rules.

  16. Pete

    Slightly O/T, but since you mentioned John Lewis’ funeral, I thought it was disgraceful of Obama to bring politics into his eulogy and take swipes at Trump. How low will these people go? Or are Dem’s the rules now?

  17. almost as disgraceful as Trump not attending eh charles !
    140 IQ not seeing it mate , not seeing it 😉

  18. Charles –

    How low will these people go?

    As low as they need to go. There are no limits. “The means justify the ends” is left wing ideology and they mean it. The problem with conservatives is that they never realise that the left means what they say, however mad it seems. Even after the madness of 2020 conservatives won’t get that the left means what it says and that the left is intent on total victory over tradition and liberty.

    Some leftist rags actually reported that President Trump’s tweet about mail-in ballots was designed to draw attention from Lewis’ funeral. They have no shame of course.

  19. “Why could there not have been a Mass Easter Sunday at the Park in the same manner?”

    Because Easter was on the 12th April. And Ireland was on full lockdown. Does anyone want to try and pretend that the progress of the virus was the same yesterday as it was on the 12th April?

  20. “Slightly O/T, but since you mentioned John Lewis’ funeral, I thought it was disgraceful of Obama to bring politics into his eulogy and take swipes at Trump. How low will these people go? Or are Dem’s the rules now?”

    I don’t know about you but I think John Lewis will have approved of Obama’s conduct.

  21. Petem
    Yes you’re right the left are all going for a full restoration of tradition and liberty .
    The tradition of having a president who serves with dignity composure and honour as befitting the highest office in the land .
    Liberty ? the statue in NY is what that is all about a beacon of light to welcome it’s sons and daughters and give them all the liberty to achieve all that they may aspire to .
    Yep it’s a full war to rescue America that has besmirched it’s tradition and liberty .
    We are taking it back from the crazies in November .

  22. We’ve had EID celebrations here in Lancashire.
    I can’t help thinking there’s a double standard when it comes to social distancing going on here though.

  23. Yes and no. It would wrong to suggest that there can never be double standards in these things. That being said I do seem to recall a lot of pictures of England (and parts of Northern Ireland) etc… on VE Day and remarking that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of social distancing going on.

  24. Obama was shameless in his lies from the pulpit, using the body of a dead civil rights icon as a prop to spread those lies (with a fake Southern accent too). He said Bull Conner was dead, but his spirit lived on in the federal marshals that beat “peaceful protestors” in Portland. What a hack!

  25. Are you suggesting that John Lewis would have disagreed with Obama’s take on the issue?

    And he didn’t specifically mention Portland. I took that, in a veiled dig a Trump, to be the clearing of protestors in front of the White House.

  26. It doesn’t matter if the deceased would have agreed with Obama or not. There is (or was) such a thing as decorum at a funeral. Obama turned a funeral into a greasy Democratic campaign stop. Contrast that with the dignity of GHW Bush’s funeral, where all the proper protocol was followed.

  27. “There is (or was) such a thing as decorum at a funeral. Obama turned a funeral into a greasy Democratic campaign stop.”

    Except he didn’t. John Lewis was a civil rights icon. There have been huge questions asked in recent months around civil rights issues. To not speak of them for fear of offending the easily offended would be a disservice to the man. It would be undignified to not address those issues.

  28. Maybe it’s O’Bama’s Irish blood that makes him talk like that. I bet he says cunt a lot! 🙂

  29. And I bet when he does its called for 🙂

  30. 🙂 nite

  31. Have a good one Charles.

  32. The John Lewis funeral was an elevating national event. Obama’s oratory was extraordinary. The words of Bill Clinton and George Bush were comforting. To criticize it is tasteless.

    And where was Trump during this national event? Fighting the virus crisis from his bunker, or was he playing golf.

  33. //Croke Park is not just a stadium.
    It’s the spiritual Mecca of the #Irish nation, associated with #freedom, #liberty & #nationalism.//

    Whatever about it being the spiritual “Mecca” of Ireland, people have been killed there in the fight for a secular Republic where men and women are equal.

    I don’t know if this gender segregation bash is really following the spirit of those aspirations.

    And would some big Catholic event ever be held there? The GAA used to be very much part of the nation recognising “the special position of the Catholic church” etc, with the crowds singing Faith Of Our Fathers and the Archbishop of Cashel throwing in the ball and all that. But those days are long gone. This looks more like a phoney gesture to PC than anything else.

    But not the worst “insane reaction to an insane movement” (Michael McDowell) in Ireland. The beautiful ornamental statues outside the Shelbourne Hotel in Dublin, supposedly depicting Nubian female slaves carrying lamps, were last week removed by the slavish hotel management (an American company) overnight. The fools thought the figures were slaves, whereas they are in fact Egyptian princesses, and they were wearing manacles, whereas the rings on their arms and legs are bracelets. But it just takes one ignoramus to cry “slaves” and down they much come.

    Apart from being an example of barbarism, their removal was also illegal as planning permission had not been obtained, so hopefully those fine ladies will soon be returned to their rightful place of honour.

  34. Seamus,

    Yes and no. It would wrong to suggest that there can never be double standards in these things. That being said I do seem to recall a lot of pictures of England (and parts of Northern Ireland) etc… on VE Day and remarking that there doesn’t seem to be a lot of social distancing going on.

    Not really sure what point you’re making here Seamus.
    Are you saying there are, or aren’t double standards when it comes to policing social distancing?

  35. “But those days are long gone. This looks more like a phoney gesture to PC than anything else.”

    There was a Catholic event, during the Pope’s visit to Ireland, in Croke Park with as many as 80,000 people as recently 2018.

    “I don’t know if this gender segregation bash is really following the spirit of those aspirations.”

    I take it then the Catholic Church should be banned from any association with the GAA until the ordination of women priest?

  36. “Are you saying there are, or aren’t double standards when it comes to policing social distancing?”

    I think there definately are double standards. Though I think, certainly for some people anyway (not yourself), a double standard in complaining about the double standards.

  37. Interesting article here about the Asian communities attitude to the coronavirus.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8583933/Muslim-Forum-chairman-Leicester-MANZOOR-MOGHAL-Ive-lost-count-times-Ive-spoken-Covid.html

    I experienced this when I work in India for a while. The Indians have a very fatalistic attitude when it comes to risk.

  38. Seamus,

    I think there definately are double standards. Though I think, certainly for some people anyway (not yourself), a double standard in complaining about the double standards.

    My double standards post wasn’t specifically about double standards when it comes to policing the Asian community, it was about double standards from the police in general when it comes to policing any gatherings. Including the VE Day celebrations.

  39. Indeed. I think the police operate in a model of police called “least negative news stories possible”.

  40. Wow! I never thought I’d read accusations of the GAA being ‘PC’ nor being associated with the ‘Old Left’ Certainly not the GAA I know.

    The Irish Muslim Peace and Integration Council applied to the GAA for Croke to be used in order for Muslims to celebrate their religious festival while observing social distancing and the GAA agreed. What’s the problem? the GAA is almost a religion in large swathes of Ireland and hardly needs a ‘phoney gesture to PC’ in order to make itself popular?

    I see it as a country and society being accomodating to a minority community and a great gesture of inclusiveness, Islamic theologian Shaykh Umar Al-Qadri who spoke at the event:

    Thank you to Ireland because today this Eid prayer is sending a very strong message out to the whole world that Ireland is indeed a country of céad míle fáilte, Dr Al-Qadri said.

    No matter your diversity, no matter how different you are, once you come and you live here and you become part of the society, this island of Ireland has this great, unique ability to adopt you

    As to the gender segregation at the event, there might be a better argument if every sports event played on Croke’s turf wasn’t gender segegated?

    Would some big Catholic event ever be held there? Yeah, I suspect there’d be absolutely no problem with a major Catholic religious celebration being held in Croke but have the CC seized the initiative and applied? If not why not?

    But Noel’s correct, the days of ‘the special position of the Catholic church’ being recognised within the GAA and wider Irish society are long gone, as are the same organisation condemning ‘fallen women’ to a life of dreary spartan drudgery as little more than glorified slaves and selling their babies to rich Yanks.

    And good riddance to them.

  41. Noel, my missus was at a mass with the pope and 80,000 others in Croker a couple of years ago.

    You’re spot on about the Shelbourne debacle. Dubliners are outraged. McDowell was debating the issue with some hysterical woman from TCD on RTE. He didnt get out of 1st gear, which was a shame.

  42. Croke Park is of course named after the nationalist Archbishop Croke. Ireland’s heritage includes it’s Christian traditions in general and Catholic faith in particular. The influence of the clergy for both good and bad is obviously less dominant than it had been and that is probably a good thing. But attempts to eradicate it is not.

  43. But attempts to eradicate it is not

    Who said anything about ‘attempts to eradicate it?’ Unless of course you think that a few hundred Muslims praying in Croke is attempting to eradicate Ireland’s Catholic heritage?

  44. I don’t care if two hundred Muslims use Coke Park or 80 thousand Garth Brooks fans.

  45. There are some (not necessarily here) who think the GAA should sever all links to the Catholic Church. I think that it can reach out to folks of all beliefs (and none) while not having to sever all of its past association.

  46. No, I didn’t think you did but I don’t see anyone attempting to eradicate Ireland’s Catholic heritage. Ireland has organically become a more secular country as the referenda on same sex marriage & repeal of the Eighth Amendment have shown.

    I’m absolutely an advocate of seperation of church & state and while the CC still enjoys a prominent if lesser position in Irish society it has lost much of its influence and for me that’s an entirely positive development.

  47. I think the separation of church and state is necessary and the removal of the clericalism of the past was overdue.

  48. I like the Freudian slip “coke park” it raises some interesting notions in my imagination of poss future use of the venue 😉

  49. Agreed although I still don’t think anyone is attempting to eradicate Ireland’s Catholic heritage.

  50. I meant eradicate the Churh’s ties with the GAA.

  51. Mahons,

    I think the separation of church and state is necessary and the removal of the clericalism of the past was overdue.

    Totally agree.

  52. Only large parts of southern USA and the Taliban want a theocracy . No separation

  53. The church are still a huge componet in the GAA’s support base.

  54. I don’t think there is a factual basis for the claim that large parts of the Southern United States want a theocracy.

  55. Hmmn is that pedantry mahons?
    Is is true that many evangelicals and assorted others want no laws that are secular to exist outside of the Bible .
    So gay marriage equality is out . Abortion is out.
    They would seek a complete alignment with Israel going way beyond what we have now .
    Theocracy large part of southern congregations pray for this .
    Yup pendantry stands i think

  56. An opposition to abortion and gay marriage by evangelicals does not equate to praying for a theocracy. There is certainly no Southern state where there is any serious movement to remove the secular estate and replace it with a theocracy.

  57. Seriously mahons you’re underplaying this maybe I’m overplaying . But they want a theocracy where all laws confirm to the Bible ONLY ofc keep the guns .
    I was making the comoarion between Islamic fundamentalist societies only wanting Sharia.
    I think it stands on it own.
    Maybe u not paying attention dude

  58. Paying attention to facts is what I do. There is no state where the citizens want to replace our existing laws with the conflicting “laws” of the Bible.

  59. Lol mahons they want to turn the whole of the country upside down not just one state .their attacks on judges and prosecutors recently is just a start up . They will decide what laws conflict with what . Then plan will be unexecutable with a Trump departure but make no mistake their aims are a complete dismantling of what they claim is a godless
    Liberal cultural Marxist Left wing Sodom and Gomorrah . All their court cases to prevent abortion and over turn Roe Vs Wade are part of this long term overhaul . Theocracy is the ultimate goal

  60. Kurt – you are caught up in a lazy stereotype based on fiction. There is no serious movement to turn the US into a theocracy.

  61. True mahons though it may come by stealth
    But as long as your Watching though should be ok

  62. When I got to know a wider range of Americans, I was surprised how seriously they take this seperation of church and state thing, including conservative religious people.

    Richard Dawkins gives a plausible, and amusing, explanation as to why precisely such a religious folk allowed this clear separation.

  63. It’s funny Kurt that you totally ignore the real Marxist move against the rule of law in this country, ie. BLM & Antifa, while shifting the blame to law abiding evangelicals in the South, who are causing no trouble whatsoever! That’s ma ruling!

  64. It’s funny Kurt that you totally ignore the real Marxist move against the rule of law in this country, ie. BLM & Antifa, while shifting the blame to law abiding evangelicals in the South, who are causing no trouble whatsoever! That’s ma ruling!

  65. Noel – one of the reasons the founding fathers were able to push it was the suspicions among the various religious groups that one would try to dominate over the other. In other words they convinced special interests of the general interest.

  66. That you totally ignore the real Marxist move against the rule of law in this country, ie. BLM & Antifa

    Charles, you are entitled to believe as you wish but I really wish Americans would learn about political ideology before pinning ideological tags on things they don’t agree with.

  67. Paul, the only good Marxists were Groucho, Chico, and Harpo.

  68. I agree with Mahons there is no serious movement in the USA to become a theocracy but the religous right has certainly strongly advocated for many of its moral laws to be not a matter of choice but imposed by secular law.

  69. Marxism was a political / economic philosophy. It was neither good nor bad although some things done by those professing to follow the philosophy were horrific.

  70. I doubt if their has ever been a genuine long term Marxist run country according to the pure principles that Karl Marx advocated. Most so called Marxist countries were really just forms of state controlled corporatism and corruptions of power.

  71. Yep.

  72. // the religous right has certainly strongly advocated for many of its moral laws to be not a matter of choice but imposed by secular law.//

    But that’s the case everywhere in the world. Very much of secular law is based on some moral law or conventions, a lot of which is in turn based on religious law.
    Whether you can be married to two people at the same time, walk naked down High Street (apart from wearing a mask in Corona times), or 100 other prohibitions – all not based on any objective notion of justice.

  73. Noel,

    “ 100 other prohibitions – all not based on any objective notion of justice.”

    Of course, because there is no such thing. That there are laws and courts is both evidence of and a response to that fact.

    If there was such a thing as objective justice then we’d be able to make a justiceometer.

  74. //Of course, because there is no such thing.//

    Well, there are objectively sound laws, like the universal prohibitions on theft, burglary, murder etc, as society simply wouldn’t exist if they were tolerated.

    This is in contrast to the things I mentioned, which are based more on social convention than anything else, and which can differ from time to time and place to place.

    As for the need for courts: just because something is objectively wrong doesn’t mean all individuals will be dissuaded from doing it. I mean, we see on this site every day how eagerly people shut their eyes to certain plain facts and are more than prepared to support lies, absurdities and contradictions. The same is true in the criminal world. Certain crimes are illogical from a social-ethical pov, but people continue to commit them.

  75. Yes and no. Murder is seen as universally wrong, but what isn’t universal is the interpretation on what is murder. Almost every civilisation has felt murder was wrong but almost every civilisation has had exceptions and those exceptions are not universal. So what is murder in one society won’t be murder in another.

    Theft, for example, is based on a social convention, the concept of private property. In the absence of that there is no theft. And while most of us would agree with the concept of private property it is still a sugjective idea rather than an objective idea.

  76. Noel,

    “Well, there are objectively sound laws, like the universal prohibitions on theft, burglary, murder etc, as society simply wouldn’t exist if they were tolerated.”

    No, this just pushes the problem to a different word. (Property is theft, meat is murder, etc.)

    We have courts etc decide these things in a quasi objective way because there is nothing else available.

    The courts and rules are even different in different countries and at different times. Hence we have notions like supreme courts, human rights etc…which are all attempts to solve the same problem and the closest thing we have to objective standards such as you allude to. They are objective in a pragmatic sense but not “really” objective.

  77. I don’t believe there has ever been, or ever can be, a functioning society based on notions like “private property is theft” or that allows murder on individual initiative. That goes against human nature and people would simply drift away from them (the stupid ones would remain and pretty soon be destitute and dead).