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The Great Governor

By Patrick Van Roy On August 18th, 2020

16 Responses to “The Great Governor”

  1. Cuomo, like Trump, deserves examination and criticism.

    I don’t understand why he did what he did with the nursing homes, and am still studying that one.

    Unfair to drag the USNS Comfort into this – that is fake news – that ship refused to take Covid patients in the crucial stage of the crisis, when it mattered, and NY hospitals ran into a huge amount of federal red tape when they tried to use it for other patients.

    But yes, all of them are subject to criticism.

  2. if we’re using that stupid language , how many did Trump kill ?

  3. Once Cuomo got it right, he really got it right. He led crackdown on non compliance with social distancing by the public and by bars, etc.

    He was the defacto leader of the northeast US on this matter.

    NY State now has very low rate of new deaths and new cases, we do very many tests.

    The NY/NJ and northeast has the best record over the past couple of months, except for the very rural areas.

    We must be very vigilant, those gains would be lost in a week. Here, small spikes in neighborhoods ( Sunset Park ) are immediately tended to.

    https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases

  4. It’s interesting that Cuomo poses in front of the hospital ship that Trump sent (and was hardly used). He did make a very bad call on the nursing home thing, one that other governors learned from.

  5. Its like a magic show

    LOOK what the left hand is doing just ignore the right hand

    No one knew what they were doing when Cuomo made his mistakes but turnip knows exactly what he is doing now

  6. The USNS Comfort refused to take Covid-19 patients, or patients with a long list of other conditions, for a long time when here.

    On top of its strict rules preventing people infected with the virus from coming on board, the Navy is also refusing to treat a host of other conditions. Guidelines disseminated to hospitals included a list of 49 medical conditions that would exclude a patient from admittance to the ship.

    Ambulances cannot take patients directly to the Comfort; they must first deliver patients to a city hospital for a lengthy evaluation — including a test for the virus — and then pick them up again for transport to the ship.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html

    Hospitals that were bursting at the seams wanted to send patients to the ship but were not allowed to, in all the crucial stages of this.

  7. The Associated Press has not said ” Cuomo killed 11000 patients”. It has given the numbers. It was a mistake to try to free up hospital beds and one that has been rectified. Front line decisions sometimes play out unfavorably. Trump’s decision to ignore the crisis has been far more destructive.

  8. They were trying to free hospital beds.

    The hospitals were overflowing.

    And again for the crucial weeks the ship and Javits Center would not take Covid 19 patients. They said that they were not set up for it.

  9. I don’t know what Cuomo was supposed to do in say March when the hospitals were overflowing, when staff was overstretched

    It seems as though there were no good decisions available to him.

  10. I don’t know what Cuomo was supposed to do in say March when the hospitals were overflowing, when staff was overstretched

    Maybe, whatever it was that Trump was supposed to do, but only across New York?

    He could have started with not issuing an order for nursing homes to take in discharged elderly hospital patients, regardless of whether or not they’d been tested, regardless even if they were positive.

  11. They are being criticized for different things.

    Cuomo made that insane sounding order ( as did other governors ) to force nursing homes to take covid patients at a time when NYS hospitals were being overwhelmed.

    There were not enough staff and beds at the hospitals.

    What was Cuomo supposed to do?

    That is the question that his harshest critics are not addressing.

  12. You can’t skip by your claim about the Associated Press. This isn’t a Trump Rally, there are adults with reading ability here.

  13. Cuomo was supposed to listen to and copy the advice of the armchair critics who aren’t in charge of anything, are not experts in dealing with a new pandemic emerging in large populations but somehow have the magic ability to know exactly what works !

  14. Cuomo was in an extremely desperate situation.

    There was no relief valve available to him.

    Again, the navy ship didn’t take covid patients for weeks, , and they were a paperwork pain in the ass for anything else, which made them practically useless. The crew wanted to help, but things were set up all wrong by the Navy and federal government.

    I am slow to criticize unless I can say that the person should have done differently. I am still wrestling with this one.

  15. There were not enough staff and beds at the hospitals.

    What was Cuomo supposed to do?

    New York’s medical capacities were never breached because it received the help it needed. Right at the beginning it was known that the elderly were most vulnerable. Cuomo’s order condemned many thousands to death. IIRC, the US Navy ship never received Covid patients because it was never equipped to do so. It was supposed to take routine cases to free up hospital capacity.

    You may react here as you would have done if President Trump had made such an order. Please, don’t be reticent or hold back.

  16. So, we agree that the USNS Comfort didn’t accept covid patients. You’ve hopefully educated soe of us here.

    A tangle of military protocols and bureaucratic hurdles has prevented the Comfort from accepting many patients at all.

    On top of its strict rules preventing people infected with the virus from coming on board, the Navy is also refusing to treat a host of other conditions. Guidelines disseminated to hospitals included a list of 49 medical conditions that would exclude a patient from admittance to the ship.

    Ambulances cannot take patients directly to the Comfort; they must first deliver patients to a city hospital for a lengthy evaluation — including a test for the virus — and then pick them up again for transport to the ship.

    Hospital leaders said they were exasperated by the delays.

    Dowling said he has had to tear his hospitals apart, retrofitting any unused space, including lobbies and conference rooms, into hospital wards. His facilities now house 2,800 COVID-19 patients, up from 100 on March 20, he said. About 25% of those are in serious conditions in intensive care units.

    Across the city, hospitals are overrun. Patients have died in hallways before they could even be hooked up to one of the few available ventilators in New York. Doctors and nurses, who have had to use the same protective gear again and again, are getting sick. So many people are dying that the city is running low on body bags.
    At the same time, there is not a high volume of noncoronavirus patients. Because most New Yorkers have isolated themselves in their homes, there are fewer injuries from car accidents, gunshots and construction accidents that would require an emergency room visit.

    Ultimately, Dowling and others said, if the Comfort refuses to take COVID-19 patients, there are few patients to send. And given the pernicious spread of the disease in New York City, where nearly 50,000 were infected as of Thursday, dividing patients into those who have it and those who do not is pointless, he said.

    The solution, he and others said, was to open the Comfort to patients with COVID-19.

    “It’s pretty ridiculous,” he said. “If you’re not going to help us with the people we need help with, what’s the purpose?”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-navy-ship-comfort-accepting-few-patients-20200403-f4soey473rablhqm7nvwetsa3q-story.html

    Sending the ship was a kind gesture, but it was set up all wrong and was of little practical help . No serious person can use the ship as a cudgel to attack Cuomo.