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September 17 1787

By Patrick Van Roy On September 17th, 2020


Following Benjamin Franklin’s speech, delegates to the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia sign the Constitution. The day will later be observed as I Am an American Day, which will be renamed to Constitution Day and Citizenship Day.

15 Responses to “September 17 1787”

  1. Some of the signatories that day later claimed that the painting is a total fallacy, including John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. But as always, it’s the legend that counts.

    I wonder how many of them were slave-owners.

  2. at least half

  3. Yes, it’s ironic that it’s now called Citizenship Day. Because the slaves sure as hell weren’t included as citizens in 1787.

  4. Peter the subject of slaves and slavery almost prevented the country from forming and 74 years later lead to civil war where over 600,000 Americans died to end it.

    How many in your country died to end it?

  5. How many in your country died to end it?

    We didn’t have to die Patrick. We’d already abolished slavery in 1833. Nearly 30 years before the civil war and the abolition of slavery in the US.

  6. When the constitution was signed Slavery still existed in both England and Ireland. As it was in most of the world.

    So are all those countries illegitimate in someway Peter? Or is it only the United States ?

    Why does the fact that your country was practicing slavery not make it illegitimate or tainted in some way?

    Hell 60 years later when the British Empire Abolished it they didn’t even abolish it in all the territory they held.

    America didn’t invent slavery and we killed each other in our bloodiest war to end it, but you want to try and dismiss the founding of the greatest nation on the planet because at the time of it’s founding Slavery was normal practice and business in the world.

    Mighty pious of you.

  7. wow really Dave…… gee give you medal… or would you prefer a chest to pin it on?

  8. The USA is illegitimate not because of slavery but because it ran away from mother England without permission. One day the naughty but very big child will come running back to the Queen begging to be back in the fold of the British Empire and she will smack it on the bum and say “ OK but don’t run off like that again” 😋

  9. lol

  10. you all should be asleep

  11. I woke up Twenty mins ago decided to fire off a couple of daft comments on ATW and now I am gonna try and nod off again . Good night Patrick 🥱

  12. night

  13. It represents an advance in the rights of people even if the advance was incomplete.

  14. When the constitution was signed Slavery still existed in both England and Ireland.


    Slavery never existed in England or Ireland. The slave trade existed and many in England and Ireland and Scotland and Wales profited from it either directly or indirectly. But the slaves were traded from Africa to the West Indies and some of the US colonies. They never set foot in the British Isles.

  15. Maybe there is still time for Trump to get another Supreme Court judge appointed before 3 November? Just because the GOP senate blocked Obama’s appointment six months before the 2016 election surely doesn’t mean that they cannot do an about turn in the next six weeks? Especially if cancelling Roe v Wade is the prize?

    Over to “pro-choice” Patrick to justify yet another GOP power-grab.

    “US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, an iconic champion of women’s rights, has died of cancer at the age of 87, the court has said. Ginsburg died on Friday of metastatic pancreatic cancer at her home in Washington, DC, surrounded by her family, the statement said.

    Earlier this year, Ginsburg said she was undergoing chemotherapy for a recurrence of cancer. She was a prominent feminist who became a figurehead for liberals in the US.”