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VAN THE COVID MAN…

By David Vance On September 18th, 2020

He may be 75 but he can spot Coronabollocks a mile off. He is now, predictably, the subject of cancel culture.

Northern Ireland’s health minister has described three new songs by Sir Van Morrison that protest against coronavirus lockdowns as “dangerous”.

What???

In the lyrics, Sir Van claims scientists are “making up crooked facts” to justify measures that “enslave” the population. “The new normal, is not normal,” he sings. “We were born to be free”. Health Minister Robin Swann said if Sir Van had scientific facts he should present them.

Now look, the JOB of artists is to challenge, confront, inform. There are PROTEST songs, and one is not required to either listen or agree. But the childish tantrum from our Covid bed wetting media is a wonder to behold. If Van Morrison wants to push out protest songs I say good on him. He is getting a lot of hate today but I’m sure his momma told him there’d be days like this.

 

25 Responses to “VAN THE COVID MAN…”

  1. Well done to Van the Man, and the minister should keep his views to himself. It’s not appropriate for him to comment on this.

  2. Not sure if serious, Peter.

    David, do you wear a mask when out?

    I don’t believe masks provide much protection for wearers, but provide some for other people in your vicinity.

  3. As I said on a similar thread Peter, why is it okay for VM to voice his opinion on this but not okay for Stormont Health Minister to do the same?

    This is a welcome change from your usual ridiculing of entertainers who express a political opinion, David. I also wonder how this fits into supposed ‘cancel culture’.

  4. Health Minister Robin Swann said if Sir Van had scientific facts he should present them.

    OK – scientific facts, starting with mortality rates……

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/17/stop-continued-self-destruction-test-covid-immunity/

    China, a country of almost a billion and half people, eventually registered less than 5,000 deaths, and South Korea (51 million people) – about 300. The obvious explanation for those negligible mortality rates – highly prevalent pre-existing immunity – was widely ignored. The world chose to believe that the tough lockdown in Wuhan, along with restrictions in other parts of China, somehow eradicated the virus.

    In short, it is extremely likely that most of us are at least partially immune to COVID-19. Let’s accept this fact and try to quantify it. Continued self-destruction is a bad alternative.

    Authors – Michael Levitt (Nobel laureate and Stanford Professor): Dr Uri Gavish, bio-medical consultant; Professor Udi Qimron, Head of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University; Professor Eyal Shahar, epidemiologist at the University of Arizona; and Dr Ifat Abadi-Korek, Research Director at the Assuta Medical Center.

    How about face-masks? Peter, an enthusiastic masker, asked me if I would prefer to be operated upon by a surgeon wearing a mask and, in my ignorance, I agreed that preference but I hadn’t yet read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

    Ritter et al., in 1975, found that “the wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination.”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1157412/

    How about…….

    Results: No significance difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks group and groups operated with no masks (1.34, 95% CI, 0.58-3.07). There was no increase in infection rate in 1980 when masks were discarded. In fact there was significant decrease in infection rate (p < 0.05).

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20524498/

    Does any of this count as 'scientific evidence' to any lockdown enthusiasts?

    A review by Skinner and Sutton in 2001 concluded that “The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use.“

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0310057X0102900402

    So there is some scientific evidence which Van Morrison shuld present to the Health Minister of NI just as the Health Minister himself suggests

  5. The Chinese and Koreans wear masks at this time, Allan

  6. Phantom – I don’t wear a mask, though I see plenty of obese, wheezy idiots wearing them. And your opinion, as a lockdown enthusiast, on the scientific evidence is……?

  7. I support more and not less careful reopening in the places like NY that have suppressed the virus.

    The way that there has been successful reopening in the Asian nations, where they all wear masks

    Success leaves clues, Allan

  8. As I said on a similar thread Peter, why is it okay for VM to voice his opinion on this but not okay for Stormont Health Minister to do the same?

    Paul

    VM has produced a song. Free speech and all that. I’m old enough to remember when a mock Christmas Carol “Stop the Cavalry” was attacked by the Thatcher government as pacifist commie propaganda. Here it is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HkJHApgKqw

  9. Sweden, Phantom – and Belarus. Nothing to do with masks.

    I regularly scatter my garbage outside my door to keep elephants away. So far, in all my years in Scotland, I haven’t seen a single elephant. This is obviously attributable to me scattering my garbage.

    Anyway, how about that scientific evidence OR given your enthusiasm for the lockdown, does it not count?

    I see that Belgian medics are denouncing the hoax……

    https://docs4opendebate.be/en/

    We, Belgian doctors and health professionals, would like to express our serious concern about the evolution of the situation in recent months surrounding the outbreak of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. We call on politicians to be independently and critically informed in the decision-making process and in the compulsory implementation of corona-measures. We ask for an open debate, where all experts are represented without any form of censorship. After the initial panic surrounding covid-19, the objective facts now show a completely different picture – there is no medical justification for any emergency policy anymore.

    Signed by 386 medical doctors
    Signed by 1324 medically trained health professionals

    Nobody is dying from Covid. Nobody here at ATW knows anybody who is dying from Covid.

  10. To be clear, I am 100% in support of face coverings in enclosed spaces. Yesterday I bought a plastic face visor for £5 which is a big improvement on a nose mask in terms of breathing and also protects your eyes. It’s not a diabolical restriction of freedom, especially if it helps to avoid more restrictive measures.

  11. Nobody here at ATW knows anybody who is dying from Covid.

    I know a husband and wife couple who died a few hundred yards from where I live.

    And I caught the virus in March and fortunately was up and about again within two weeks.

  12. Sweden is not a success story, not today anyway

    Sweden has a much higher Covid death rate than their Scandinavian neighbors

    They may be an economic and lifestyle convenience success story at this point in time, but you’re hard pressed to say that they’re a medical success

  13. Paul

    VM has produced a song. Free speech and all that

    Yes Peter, and just as Morrison has the right to have his song heard Robin Swann also has the right to express his opinion on it.

  14. Sweden has a much higher Covid death rate than their Scandinavian neighbors

    Yes Phantom, but there are signs that it is suffering a lot less in this second wave. So maybe their herd immunity policy was the right call.

  15. I’m 99% on the other side of Van the Man on this but let him say what he wants

    “ Left “ artists have had the field of political nonsense all to themselves for so long why not a little right wing and maybe Truther nonsense too. Allan will be playing these 78s on his Victoria all autumn

    And for what it’s worth the minister has every right and maybe even the duty to speak also

  16. every voice has the right to say what they feel, what you think or feel about what they say is your right also.

    That is the only balance

  17. Agreed. Nobody has done anything wrong here. Van has expressed an opinion as he is entitled to, as has the Irish minister, although Peter seems to think only one of them is entitled to speak.

    As to Allan’s pieces on the medical reports he cites, well I as am sure there are also hundreds of peer reviewed pieces of scientific evidence that prove the benefits of surgical mask wearing. Allan of course ignores those in favour of the ones that suit his pre-determined preference as most people do.

  18. Van Morrison is entitled to write and sing about whatever he wants, and people can listen or not if they so choose. Robin Swann can also comment however he pleases about the songs. However, saying the songs could be ‘dangerous’ makes it sound as though Van Morrison is somehow relevant to the current Covid situation. He is no more relevant than I, or anyone else here, yet he appears to warrant two, almost identical posts?
    The Right appear to be appropriating the term ‘Covid Bed-wetters’ all for themselves…

  19. Allan
    //Nobody is dying from Covid. Nobody here at ATW knows anybody who is dying from Covid.
    //
    Why do you keep repeating this lie?
    Multiple people on here, myself included have told you we know people who have died from Covid.

  20. Peter,

    Well done to Van the Man, and the minister should keep his views to himself. It’s not appropriate for him to comment on this.

    The minister has every right to comment on it. What a ridiculous thing to say.

  21. Multiple people on here, myself included have told you we know people who have died from Covid.

    OK – there may be people who HAVE died, or have been declared as HAVING died from Covid but that tense is the perfect tense whereas I wrote……..

    Nobody here at ATW knows anybody who is dying from Covid.

    That is present tense, now, today – and the lockdown is now, today. Let’s look at how numbers are stacked……

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8750139/Scientists-claim-UK-covid-19-victims-July-August-died-causes.html

    A third of the people recorded to have died from Covid-19 in July and August may have actually passed away due to other causes, such as cancer or being hit by a car, Oxford University research has suggested

    Note that the test for the virus gives 80% false positives and is not to be used to determine the presence of a virus. And, as one sees, number of claimed infections is rising whilst the number of deaths is way down, which means that the mortality rate of this deadly, killer virus is minimal – whereas those dying from lockdown are increasing in number as is certainly the intention:

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/everything-that-has-happened-was-meant-to-happen_YzirTosrfBeJD65.html

    Dr Vernon Coleman explains why nothing that has happened in the last six months has been an accident or a mistake

  22. Peter, on September 20th, 2020 at 12:53 AM Said:

    To be clear, I am 100% in support of face coverings in enclosed spaces.

    Good – and I would hope that you would double-up on your safety: you can’t be too safe.

    As to Allan’s pieces on the medical reports he cites, well I as am sure there are also hundreds of peer reviewed pieces of scientific evidence that prove the benefits of surgical mask wearing.

    Colm – you’re sure, are you? In that case, why not link to them?

    https://www.technocracy.news/masks-are-neither-effective-nor-safe-a-summary-of-the-science/?print=print

    Are masks effective at preventing transmission of respiratory pathogens?

    In this meta-analysis, face masks were found to have no detectable effect against transmission of viral infections. (1) It found: “Compared to no masks, there was no reduction of influenza-like illness cases or influenza for masks in the general population, nor in healthcare workers.”

    This 2020 meta-analysis found that evidence from randomized controlled trials of face masks did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility. (2)

    Another recent review found that masks had no effect specifically against Covid-19, although facemask use seemed linked to, in 3 of 31 studies, “very slightly reduced” odds of developing influenza-like illness. (3)

    This 2019 study of 2862 participants showed that both N95 respirators and surgical masks “resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory confirmed influenza.” (4)

    This 2016 meta-analysis found that both randomized controlled trials and observational studies of N95 respirators and surgical masks used by healthcare workers did not show benefit against transmission of acute respiratory infections. It was also found that acute respiratory infection transmission “may have occurred via contamination of provided respiratory protective equipment during storage and reuse of masks and respirators throughout the workday.” (5)

    A 2011 meta-analysis of 17 studies regarding masks and effect on transmission of influenza found that “none of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.” (6) However, authors speculated that effectiveness of masks may be linked to early, consistent and correct usage.

    Face mask use was likewise found to be not protective against the common cold, compared to controls without face masks among healthcare workers. (7)

    Now Colm – if you fail to find enough papers which make the case for masks, what then?

  23. I knew someone, who died from Covid in Florida, two weeks ago.

    I attended the funeral yesterday.

    Allan’s mind has been made up since moment one, he’s not trying to learn anything.

    716 in the US died of it yesterday. Many more would have died without the protections now in place.

    This is serious

  24. 716 in the US died of it yesterday.

    Not true. It might be that some hundreds of people, who may have contracted this coronavirus in the last six months, or a coronavirus over the years, died in the last week and the numbers put out yesterday. But there’s no way that 716 people died of it yesterday.

    The numbers are concocted anyway and the tests not accurate enough to trust.

  25. 716 in the US died of it yesterday. Many more would have died without the protections now in place.

    This is serious

    716 people did not die of Covid in the US yesterday and the ‘disease’ is not serious. But there is a serious aspect to this hoax and it is that you and those like you are in a majority, a substantial majority. Humanity is under real threat from the stupidity of the masses:

    https://brandnewtube.com/watch/everything-that-has-happened-was-meant-to-happen_YzirTosrfBeJD65.html