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Worth it

By Patrick Van Roy On September 19th, 2020

Jim Caviezel speaking about his new movie Infidel

I’ve been looking for this clip most of the day. I couldn’t find it on the Fox feed, but apprently this little 5 min segment hit a nerve with someone besides me and they improvised. I hope you take the time, but you have to watch the whole thing or you’ll miss the passion.

50 Responses to “Worth it”

  1. This one looks like a bit of an incitement to hostility against Iran, using highly-dupey Christians to be the mercenaries. Christmas is freely celebrated in Iran and I usually get a nativity-themed Christmas greeting from one or two Iranian colleagues – not the secular Season’s Greetings garbage authorised by the corporates.

  2. I don’t doubt that Allan, but I don’t think you’re going to sell anyone that Iran is an open society.

  3. Patrick – what goes on in Iran is not of your concern. You believe that you live in a free country, where a ‘wrong’ comment on social media will have you banned and thrown out of work. I’ve just seen on Fox News the former Speaker of the House of Representatives closed down in a discussion because he said something ‘unacceptable’ yet demonstrably true – and that is in a ‘free country’?

  4. Allan first thing first. This is just a movie and I didn’t even put the post up to promote the movie. Caviezel’s passion by the end of the interview I felt was worth people seeing. Anyone that can speak from the heart like that I can appreciate whether I agree with the views or not.

    Now as for Iran Allan.

    Iran is the head of the Dragon and will be destroyed. It is lead by maniacs that want to bring about the second coming by bathing the world in the blood of the nonbeliever. We will destroy them, it’s only a matter of when.

  5. Allan

    You need to understand that Patrick and his neo-con wing of the GOP want to nuke Iran, end of. And if Trump gets a second term they will almost certainly get their wish, maybe as soon as 2021.

    But that’s cool, at least abortion will have banned in the USA. As in Prohibition. And your beloved Creationism will be compulsory in schools.

  6. Peter – Trump is the only President this century to have kept the world relatively safe from the US military which, for some reason, feels a need to ‘protect’ Estonia, Ukraine, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Saudi Arabia etc. If Biden and his controllers get in, then war is immediate just as it was with Hillary.

    neo-con wing of the GOP

    Careful now – you don’t want to be Gingriched?

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish……

    And what is this…..?

    And your beloved Creationism will be compulsory in schools.

    Are you still pushing the evolution nonsense that Charles Darwin himself said was unsupported by any evidence?

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species_(1859)/Chapter_XIV

    On this doctrine of the extermination of an infinitude of connecting links, between the living and extinct inhabitants of the world, and at each successive period between the extinct and still older species, why is not every geological formation charged with such links? Why does not every collection of fossil remains afford plain evidence of the gradation and mutation of the forms of life? We meet with no such evidence, and this is the most obvious and forcible of the many objections which may be urged against my theory. Why, again, do whole groups of allied species appear, though certainly they often falsely appear, to have come in suddenly on the several geological stages? Why do we not find great piles of strata beneath the Silurian system, stored with the remains of the progenitors of the Silurian groups of fossils? For certainly on my theory such strata must somewhere have been deposited at these ancient and utterly unknown epochs in the world’s history.

    I can answer these questions and grave objections only on the supposition that the geological record is far more imperfect than most geologists believe.

    It is very well-written bullshit, totally unsupported by evidence (even to this day) as Darwin states

  7. Are you still pushing the evolution nonsense that Charles Darwin himself said was unsupported by any evidence?

    Yawn

    Darwin studied the subject for decades before he wrote his book and there was loads of evidence from the fossils and from Finches in the Galapagos, etc etc etc.

    And since then we have discovered DNA which can accurately tell us about the tree of life on this planet. We know how long ago humans shared a common ancestor with badgers and with oak trees.

    Your Adam and Eve story is a fairy tale. But as Richard Dawkins has often said, it’s a waste of time debating with Creationist zealots and I sure won’t be wasting mine debating with you on this. Maybe you still believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth, but in any case you are totally welcome to your ignorance, and my advice is wallow in it.

  8. Allan

    I ask you again, can you confirm that you’re a Q-Anon follower?

  9. Your Adam and Eve story is a fairy tale.

    It’s not my fairy tale. In any case, for somebody who believes that everything was created in a single flash out of nothing just as in the Book Of Genesis (The Bible) to then be calling anybody who disagrees with that nonsense a ‘creationist’ clearly has no self-awareness nor any idea whatsoever.

    Just for the record – the Earth isn’t flat, and it revolves around the Sun. The Earth is billions of years old as fossil (and geological) evidence shows, the very same fossil evidence which does not support the theory of evolution – as Darwin himself states (see link at 11.04pm)

    Why does not every collection of fossil remains afford plain evidence of the gradation and mutation of the forms of life? We meet with no such evidence, and this is the most obvious and forcible of the many objections which may be urged against my theory.

  10. It’s not my fairy tale.

    But it is, because you endorse it. The world was created by the sky-god (no explanation of who created him) in seven days and then Adam and Eve appeared. And the rest, as they say, is bullshit.

  11. Your silence on Q-Anon speaks volumes. It’s the ultimate conspiracist cult so it would be a surprise if you weren’t fully signed up.

  12. Peter – your mind is disappearing up your arse so call it to order.

    YOU support the Big Bang, a theory dreamt up by a priest, straight out of The Book Of Genesis!! How creationist can one get 🙂

    1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    all out of a Big Bang 🙂 and I’m the creationist? 🙂 🙂

    Q-anon Nope, no idea, but you seem to have a handle on it so fill yer boots, and let me know how you get on. This is where I get my news from:

    https://dailystormer.su/german-bitch-from-the-eu-tells-poles-they-have-to-have-gay-anal-sex-everywhere/

    You can’t have a “gay free zone,” you Christian scum.

    Everywhere – literally, everywhere – has to be open to men who are ramming their penises into each other’s anuses, and ejaculating into each other’s anal passages so that their semen gets mixed in with the feces.

    That is the true morality of democracy.

    People who try to create any single area on the planet where men are not pounding each other’s asses like a hurricane are pure evil.

    Yes – it’s true. Gays have to be allowed to ram their penises up each others’ arses EVERYWHERE

    ABC News:
    A top European Union official strongly denounced the stigmatization of LGBT people by authorities in Poland, saying on Wednesday that “LGBT-free zones” that have been declared in parts of the country have no place in the EU.

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, in her first State of the Union address, said that “LGBT-free zones,” are “humanity-free zones.”

    “They have no place in our Union,” von der Leyen said, adding that the commission would soon put forward a strategy to strengthen LGBT rights in Europe.

    She did not mention Poland by name, but did not need to.

    About one-third of Poles now live in communities that have passed resolutions declaring their opposition to the promotion of LGBT rights. The resolutions carry no binding legal powers, but they are seen by critics as discriminatory. Most were approved in the conservative eastern and southern areas of Poland.

  13. YOU support the Big Bang,

    Yes, that is the generally accepted view of science for decades now. You cling to Adam and Eve, fill your boots.

    Q-anon Nope

    Glad to hear it.

  14. Yes, that is the generally accepted view of science for decades now.

    It’s bunk.

    When an entire sector has its budgets based on a bananas theory, that theory shall be cemented and supported by those whose pay depends on believing that theory. Now start reading opposing views instead of accepting what you’re told:

    https://www.amazon.com/Big-Bang-Never-Happened-Refutation/dp/067974049X

    Far-ranging and provocative, The Big Bang Never Happened is more than a critique of one of the primary theories of astronomy — that the universe appeared out of nothingness in a single cataclysmic explosion ten to twenty billion years ago. Drawing on new discoveries in particle physics and thermodynamics as well as on readings in history and philosophy, Eric J. Lerner confronts the values behind the Big Bang theory: the belief that mathematical formulae are superior to empirical observation; that the universe is finite and decaying; and that it could only come into being through some outside force. With inspiring boldness and scientific rigor, he offers a brilliantly orchestrated argument that generates explosive intellectual debate.

    https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Redshifts-Cosmology-Academic/dp/0968368905

    Arp’s book is a frontal assault on the standard model of the universe, replete with anecdotes and illustrations, including 8 pages of colour plates.

    Halton Arp graduated cum laude from Harvard in 1949 and earned a Ph.D. from Caltech in 1953 (also cum laude). His first postdoctoral position was as an assistant to Edwin Hubble. He worked as a staff astronomer at Mt. Wilson and Mt. Palomar for 29 years before moving to Max-Planck-Institute for Astrophysics in Munich. Arp’s observations of quasars and galaxies are world-renowned. He is the author of the Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies (1963: a collectors’ item), Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies (1987), as well as numerous articles in scholarly journals. He has been awarded the Helen B. Warner Prize of the American Astronomical Society and the Newcomb Cleveland award of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and served as president of the Astronomical Society of the Pacific from 1980 to 1983. In 1984, he received the Alexander von Humboldt Senior Scientist Award.

    Science isn’t about ‘majority opinion’: it’s about being right

  15. Peter please describe for the rest of us what Conspiracies Q-anon is promoting.

  16. You need to ask that question, Seriously Patrick ? The whole point of Q-Anon is that they act as a forum to spread conspiracy theories without a shred of evidence, the most obvious one, the one that birthed them being the infamous Washington Pizza parlour paedophile ring controlled by Hilary and other senior Democrats nonsense.

  17. ” Just asking questions “, Allan style.

  18. Believe it or not there is a Q-Anon group in Dublin which has public demonstrations against lockdown (even though lockdown is well over) and face masks.

  19. Just curious you see these people quoting this annonymous source and calling them “conspiracy kooks”

    I don’t believe it started with Pizzagate, I believe it started with a post on 4chan that stated that elements of the FBI/DOJ were trying to frame Trump with Russian collusion.

    Which they were.

  20. Believe it or not there is a Q-Anon group in Dublin which has public demonstrations against lockdown (even though lockdown is well over) and face masks

    Indeed, the Irish far right. A few videos have surfaced of them assaulting counter protestors, funnily enough we haven’t heard anything about it from the free speech guys on ATW.

  21. maybe because until you just mentioned it no one outside your area has heard about it…..

  22. funnily enough we haven’t heard anything about it from the free speech guys on ATW.

    Yes. I remember Phantom in particular was furious with me for taking part in a counter protest which ran the fascists off the streets.

  23. Here you are Patrick:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtvtaAS5Nyk&ab_channel=Irishwolfhound

  24. seen it Petr
    sure that’s “good violence” according to some, nay bother
    if antifa are at the end of it, its ok
    if antifa are giving it, its not ok .
    just like the far right supporters of UVF
    “there’s no such thing as a loyalist terrorist ” !

  25. Maybe because until you just mentioned it no one outside your area has heard about it…..

    Unlike the Pegida demo in Dublin which was all over ATW you mean?

    Petr, speaking of those gathering at the GPO on Saturdays, you might find this article interesting:

    https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/15/fr-liam-power-there-must-be-limit-to-appeasing-ultra-catholics/#.X2EPwBDHzIU

    Oh, and here’s another vid:

    https://twitter.com/vmax_14/status/1304797601003266048

  26. Patrick

    Has any FBI/DOJ staff been charged with crimes or convicted in court of framing Trump or anyone on the Trump campaign for collusion with Russia ?

  27. Curious that in most countries the national flag is carried at demonstrations mostly by conservatives and those on “the right”, but in Ireland the tricolour is usually carried by Republican lefties, or at least used to be and in some parts still is.

  28. Martin Luther King, who was most certainly a lefty, and the civil rights marchers would have often, maybe always, marched or spoken with American flags present.

    I don’t think that the ” left ” would carry US flags too often at public events now. Not respectfully, anyway.

  29. Yes, there were also US flags put up at Woodstock (but I was talking of normal countries 🙂 )

    The Dems are making a huge mistake if they’re abandoning the field of national identity with the country and its history to people like Trump.

  30. Colm, on September 22nd, 2020 at 6:55 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick

    Has any FBI/DOJ staff been charged with crimes or convicted in court of framing Trump or anyone on the Trump campaign for collusion with Russia ?

    YES the First one just plead Guilty.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/14/kevin-clinesmith-corrupt-fbi-attorney-who-falsified-carter-page-fisa-warrant-expected-to-plead-guilty/

    That’s the first and the low fruit, now Durham will march up the line higher and higher in rank.

  31. King was not a Lefty……..

  32. Martin Luther King Jr. was not just the safe-for-all-political-stripes civil-rights activist he is often portrayed as today. He was never just the “I Have a Dream” speech, delivered 50 years ago Wednesday. He was an anti-war, anti-materialist activist whose views on American power would shock many of the same politicians who are currently scrambling to sing his praises.


    The radicalism of the 1967 speech didn’t just extend to Vietnam. King called for the U.S. to “undergo a radical revolution of values,” saying that “we must rapidly begin the shift from a ‘thing-oriented’ society to a ‘person-oriented’ society.” He continued:

    When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.

    King wasn’t left, he was very left

  33. sorry those aren’t the positions of the left, then or now……..

    The Left… the Democrat Party was and is the party of Slavery, the KKK, and Segregation. The Democrats opposed Civil Rights, not to mention that Vietnam was a Democrat War ended by a Republican, but you keep that delusion going.

    It’s that delusion that allowed the race pimps to seize control of Kings movement and continues to cause him to spin in his grave.

  34. King was not a Lefty……..

    No, he was a far rightist:

    Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.
    – MLK, Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.

    The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.
    –MLK, Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967

    If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell
    – MLK, Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968

    In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle
    –MLK, Quote to New York Times reporter, José Igelsias, 1968.

    etc, etc.

  35. Both parties were dominated by militarists, who, like you, supported the pointless and wrong Vietnam War, that was started by the US, against a country that wished us no harm.

    Barry Goldwater, GOP nominee for president in 1964, was much more warlike than LBJ. He spoke of using nuclear weapons on Vietnam.

  36. You can find a ton of quotes that you could use to portray King as a modern day Democrat, but not at the time that he was alive.

    The Democrat party may have brainwashed you into believing they are something they are not, but you believe many things that just aren’t reality.

  37. King said those things when he was alive, Pat. You can’t say things when you’re dead.

    He was far to the left of the Democratic Party then, and would be now.

  38. You can find a ton of quotes that you could use to portray King as a modern day Democrat, but not at the time that he was alive

    He was much more to the left of a ‘modern day Democrat’

    All the quotes above are referenced and were said while he was very much alive. Look them up, and then disprove them, if you can

  39. //He was far to the left of the Democratic Party then, and would be now.//

    No. The Dems are the party of slavery and of Black Lives Matter.

  40. but facts are facts… JFK put the first troops in, LBJ escalated it into a war and Nixon ended it…. and the whole time the Dems were trying to keep the black american as less than a second class citizen.

  41. No. The Dems are the party of slavery and of Black Lives Matter.

    wow Noel got something right……

  42. But facts are facts…

    Indeed they are. MLK was certainly a lefty.

  43. The US had 1500 ” advisers ” under Eisenhower, who also sent enormous armament including jets to South Vietnam.

    The US involvement in anti communism in Vietnam was supported by Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ and Nixon. Exceptionally bi-partisan.

    The first US soldier was killed in Vietnam in 1945.

    You may want to read up on it.

  44. The US took over for the French a deal made by Kennedy, and LBJ escalated it.

    So Phantom it’s your view that Vietnam started in 1945….. How may Manhattans have you had today???

  45. The French left Vietnam in 1954, Pat.

    JFK was not the president at that time.

  46. Both Truman and Eisenhower assisted the French colonial power in Vietnam.

    Had FDR been in power at the time when the French were tottering, aid may not have been given to the French. FDR was anti colonialist in a way that the others were not.

    JFK visited Vietnam as a congressman, and I believe that he wrote critically about the South Vietnamese regime. But it’s really hard to extract yourself from a conflict that has been underway for a long time.

    There is talk that JFK would have withdrawn US troops from Vietnam, but that’s unknowable.

    It is likely that he would never have escalated in a huge way the way that LBJ did.

  47. Again, FDR was opposed to European colonialism, as practiced by France or Britain.

    And Vietnam had its origins as rebellion against a European colonial ruler.

  48. Kennedy was negotiating with the French about what to do with Vietnam then he was killed. Yes we advisors there for quite sometime, but Troops in the form of combat platoons and brigades were not committed until 1965 under LBJ.

    I know you have no sense of founding history, but I see now it’s just all history you know nothing about and google is your teacher… lmao

  49. By 1963, the French were long, long gone from Vietnam. They left in 1954. Look it up.

    Why would JFK negotiate with a country that had left nine years earlier.

    You’re making this up.

    Besides, you supported that war, and still do, or did until recently. Maybe you’ve done a flip flop on it, like McConnell and his fake rule.

  50. Vietnam began in 1945 according to you. That’s what pointing out when the first soldier was killed there…. Yeah so Truman another warmongering democrat as WWII ended he just moved the troops to Vietnam…. when did the Korean war start 1901 ?

    You know nothing of your own nations history. You want to bend over backwards to explain things that you know nothing about. After 1956 the French and the US had ongoing conferences in regards as to what to do about Vietnam and the continuing spread of communism… those talks continued till full commitment by the US in 1965.

    but you go boy….