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VP Debate

By Patrick Van Roy On October 8th, 2020

After the Presidential Debate I couldn’t watch this one.

177 Responses to “VP Debate”

  1. Biden used the old lie, that any criticism of the administration is undermining the nation. This is authoritarianism with a smile on its face, the leader must be obeyed, not subject to criticism. Its a complete partisan approach that doesn’t solve problems, rather it serves to bury them under the carpet and all thrumpers must keep a smiling dull grey facade of loyalty to the glorious potus !

  2. Not Biden, Pence.

  3. d’oh
    lol fell into the trap of seeing all old white men as the same 😉

    be fun to see Biden vs Pence Debate

    not so sure Trump vs K Harris , that would have to be a WWE event

    reckon KH could up-end the grossly over-weight 322 pounder Trump with a body-slam

  4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc

  5. Pence told plenty of lies. His boss must have been proud of him as he tweeted incessantly during the debate.

    I see that Trump has refused to take part in the second debate next week.

  6. Some Trump supporters plotted insurrection in Michigan in June. We know he loves the militias and they sure love him:

    “The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday. The alleged plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia, according to a federal affidavit filed Thursday.”

    https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002/

  7. Trump has accused the Commission on Presidential Debates of favouring Biden:

    https://www.itv.com/news/2020-10-08/donald-trump-refuses-to-take-part-in-virtual-presidential-debate-against-joe-biden

    Bill Stepien, Trump campaign manager:

    Trump’s campaign manager insisted that the president will stage a rally rather than debate.

    “For the swamp creatures at the Presidential Debate Commission to now rush to Joe Biden’s defence by unilaterally cancelling an in-person debate is pathetic,”

    Absolutely bloody spectacular. Trump’s running away from a debate and in its place having an election rally. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

  8. These militias are meant to intimidate and oppress, a point made here many times.

    We await the few bad apples excuses.

  9. Peter why Lie ?

    How is a wackjob militia group that’s been around for decades trying to recruit people to Kidnap Witmer and put her on Trial for treason…..

    Have ANYTHING to do with Trump supporters?

    Ahh but the foreigners know America better than the Americans…..

    This group don’t like Feds, Democrat Feds, Republican Feds they don’t like the ruling government period and they’re gonna bring it down through violence.

    No these people have more in common with the IRA than the RNC.

    And NO WHERE even in that article written by a Democrat in Detroit does it even MENTION Trump or Trump supporters….. but the brilliant foreigners who know america better than the americans oh white guys with guns….. their Trump Supporters…….

    ok I feel better now……

  10. Patrick

    Trump refused to condemn a white militia group in the debate last week. That’s because he knows they are his guys. The same with Charlottesville “good people on both sides” and his endorsement by the KKK.

    Open your eyes.

  11. Ok so the two campaigns went through a one month long set of negotiations on each debate format. Where, Who the Moderators were and the Format……

    At the last minute THE DEBATE COMMISSION at the request of the Biden campaign wants to change the Format and change it from a face to face debate to a virtual electronic one where the host channel can cut mikes, change camera angles, etc etc so Trump says FU

    but he’s running from the debate….. yeah oh ok Phantom…. lol

  12. Peter, on October 8th, 2020 at 5:49 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Patrick

    Trump refused to condemn a white militia group in the debate last week. That’s because he knows they are his guys. The same with Charlottesville “good people on both sides” and his endorsement by the KKK.

    Open your eyes.

    lol… foreigner

  13. Trump was blindsided by the debate commission. They did not consult the parties when they decided to go virtual. Trump learned of it live on air, and said no way. It favors Biden. He’ll be in a basement somewhere getting fed answers. The debates are almost meaningless at this point anyway, as voting has begun.

  14. At the last minute THE DEBATE COMMISSION at the request of the Biden campaign

    More Trumpist propaganda site concoctions.

    But he’s running from the debate

    That’s precisely what he’s doing and it’ll be the nail in the coffin for any undecideds there might be.

    Trump learned of it live on air, and said no way. It favors Biden. He’ll be in a basement somewhere getting fed answers.

    And IF that were the case Trump wouldn’t have the same opportunity?

  15. My understanding is that this debate was not to be a head to head but questions from an audience. The ability for the compere to cut mikes was because of Trump’s boorish behaviour in the first debate.

  16. Armed militias are traitors, terrorists, bums.

    Some of us have always condemned them.

    But not everyone.

  17. Wonder who the plotters supported for president?

  18. Obama

  19. Trump is secretly delighted he now has an excuse to dodge another debate.

  20. He certainly is Colum. He fears another debate so much he won’t even participate in a socially distanced virtual one.

    The Emperor’s clothes have been exposed.

  21. He can’t debate properly

    His best tools are intimidation and mockery, and no one wants to hear that any more.

  22. I honestly thought he would have ridden roughshod over Biden with bullying and shouting down. To Biden’s credit while he was pretty nondescript in the actual debate he didn’t allow that to happen and I think Trump’s confidence has been knocked.

  23. He’s going to have a rally instead because it involves no dissent or debate, no questioning, no having to justify or explain anything.Just shouting bragging claims to a whooping faithful crowd. Trump knows his strengths and he is playing to them.

  24. Another super spreader event

    Maybe they can go back to Tulsa, in an half empty indoor stadium where no one wears masks

    That’s the ticket

  25. Perhaps one of the Trump fellas hear can explain how a virtual debate supposedly favours Biden?

  26. its not a rally trump is holding , its a place where junkyard hogs gather for some spittin, hollerin and yellin, in a bubble , in a covid place detached and divorced from reality
    we got his number , and its a string of zero’s , like his tax returns ..
    empty suit this guy , not even sure if Putin can help him out this time .. ask pat he’s up on those things 😉

  27. He does not want to be where his mic can be shut off if he is talking over Biden

  28. I found this, amongst America’s closest ally, interesting:

    Who Britons want to win the US presidential election

    All – Biden 61% / Trump 13%

    Con – Biden 45% / Trump 26%
    Lab – Biden 82% / Trump 2%
    Lib Dem – Biden 91% / Trump 3%

    Remain – Biden 82% / Trump 4%
    Leave – Biden 45% / Trump 25%

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1314158566228492288

    It’s a pretty revealing snapshot of how he’s viewed internationally.

  29. and we should care why Paul ?

  30. Because the international perspective is a more objective opinion? It’s pretty demonstrative when a historically close ally wants him to go?

    Hey, Pat, can you explain how a virtual debate supposedly favours Biden?

  31. Paul he just thinks amurica shouldn’t care what other countries think because the world needs amurica but amurica doesn’t need the world

  32. When the president is widely despised overseas, that is not good for the US at all.

    He is seen as an incompetent bumbler for the ages everywhere you go.

  33. WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., says she plans to talk about the 25th Amendment, which outlines presidential transfer of power procedures, on Friday.

    Pelosi told reporters during her weekly press conference at the Capitol on Thursday to come to the Hill “tomorrow” because she said, “We’re going to be talking about the 25th Amendment.

    Long overdue

  34. Hugely unwise

  35. its appropriate , trump is barking mad and becoming more delusional by the hour/tweet
    not even his boss Putin can rein him in

  36. I agree with Phantom. The answer is just to vote him out. Attempting a constitutional ousting is hugely difficult and politically impossible for the Democrats. It’s an unwise and wasteful move.

  37. You need to be the sober party, can’t endlessly up the ante for no good reason.

  38. Colm, and I would add a counter productive move for the Dems, which is why I would like to see them try it. Nothing will come of it, except to move voters to the Trump camp. Keep it up Nancy!

    I suggested such a move a few days ago when the President was in hospital, but that time has past, with seemingly no untoward effects.

  39. Nanci won’t push it through its a tactic, at least its plausible
    whereas smearing Biden by Trump was just inept,
    Biden is a man of greater stature and moral fortitude than ego-centric potus
    he never talks about anyone but himself, hasn’t even mentioned how the first lady is doing
    vote this tramp out charles, you’ll feel better

  40. wrong….. let the other nations feel how they feel, no one on this side of the pond could care less. What cracks me up is you all believe the other nations don’t like Trump because he’s lewd, crude, and rude. They couldn’t care less if he buggered little boys on the wh lawn, why the despise him is he’s shuffled the deck. The gravy train has been cut and if he gets 4 more it may end entirely.

    That is the ONLY reason those outside this country care about who’s president. How is it going to effect their exploitation of our largesse and generosity.

  41. pat your understanding of reality and the world is… stultifying

  42. Pelosi is not much better than Trump with this stuff

    Very few real leaders in either party

  43. Why the despise him is he’s shuffled the deck. The gravy train has been cut and if he gets 4 more it may end entirely.

    That is the ONLY reason those outside this country care about who’s president. How is it going to effect their exploitation of our largesse and generosity.

    lol… foreigner

    You’ve developed an expertise on why non Americans wish Trump to go?

    Trump is an international figure of ridicule, there’s a reason for that.

    No takers on how a virtual debate supposedly favours Biden?

  44. EP why should americans fell enthused about carrying the rest of the world, I know why they’re thrilled to be carried….. sorry no more, you tax us a dollar we tax you a dollar, you get aid from us you follow our lead or you don’t get anymore.

    Now if there’s a natural disaster, we’ll be the first there, but the free ride needs to end.

    No Tariffs on either side and no aid except humanitarian.

    Phantom…. totally correct. The depth of both parties is a no diving zone.

  45. No takers on how a virtual debate supposedly favours Biden?

    besides the mic cut, and someone off camera giving him answers, or a thousand other obvious reasons you mean?

  46. All of you over there hated Nixon, and Reagan also….. Trumps in good company.

  47. Paul, even if it doesn’t favor Biden, It’s unfair. These things are negotiated by the parties. The debate commission can’t “tell” the President what format he has to use. Screw them. He has said he will go ahead with the other two debates as planned.

  48. Besides the mic cut

    When he goes over his time you mean?

    Someone off camera giving him answers

    If that were to happen wouldn’t Trump have the same opportunity?

    Or a thousand other obvious reasons

    I’m all ears.

  49. Paul, even if it doesn’t favor Biden, It’s unfair.

    How’s it unfair and who’s it unfair to, Charles?

    The POTUS has been diagnosed with COVID. Surely abnormal times call for abnormal measures?

  50. Nixon and Kennedy had a virtual debate way back in 1960

    Trump is afraid to have an actual debate. He’s never participated in one.

    Unless you call a parade of insults and lies ” debating “.

  51. Paul, it’s unfair to the President to unilaterally change the rules that have been agreed upon. If Biden thinks Trump is still shedding virus (where’s the science?) then he can drop if he wants. Or they can ASK Trump to change to a different venue. See how it works?

  52. Agreed Phantom. He’s running and his rally in absence of a debate wil show him for the cowardly incompetent he is.

    Strange how when push comes to shove Biden is no longer ‘Sleepy’

  53. Best thing Trump can do is make and sell high-end trump toilets
    lol.. he may recoup some of his loses. There are a few fun products already out there

    Chinese company selling luxury ‘Trump Toilets’ is ready to fight Donald for his name
    https://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/17/trump_toilets-2/

    dammit, the chinese are on to it , bang goes my factory in aberdeen

  54. Classy Chinese company selling luxury ‘Trump Toilets’ makes a splash online

    If you happen to think that Donald Trump is full of shit, well, it seems fate is smiling upon you as a Chinese company selling high-end, luxurious “Trump Toilets” exists to make your bathroom experience great again.
    Despite the company having no connection with Trump at all, it isn’t entirely free from Trump-like language, claiming to be the FIRST company to make retractable seat protectors and also claiming that over ONE BILLION people use their products every year, in multiple countries, Foreign Policy reports.
    Indeed, the weird image of a child hugging a toilet on the company’s homepage coupled with weak copyright law and a lucky coincidence could make Shenzhen Trump Industries even more popular in years to come. New customers wanting to relieve themselves of Trump’s verbal diarrhea atop a high-end flushing machine can even get a self-changing seat protector that comes in both blue and green. Fancy.
    And for a company specializing in smart commodes for hotels, spas, hospitals and beauty centers, even its name “Chuang Pu” (创普) sounds awfully close to Trump’s Chinese name, “Chuan Pu” (川普), which both fittingly sound like poo.

  55. He’s not running. Trump just won’t be played by the partisan “non-partisan” debate commission.

  56. Charles, where’s the ‘playing?’ Where’s the ‘unfairness?’

    Please explain how the Commission is being partisan in suggesting a virtual debate in these abnormal times and how it benefits Biden?

  57. The guy is infected from head to toe with Wuhan Kung Flu disease that he brought upon himself

    What, they should continue to have super-spreader no mask hootenanies?

  58. The Commission didn’t “suggest” a virtual. That would be fine. They ordered one, which is not within their power. Trump told them to take a hike. Personal pique? Maybe. but Trump is well within his rights not to be told to do anything by a non-elected commission.

  59. They ordered one

    So the crux of the gripe is that they ordered a virtual debate in these abnormal times?

    There is no substance to allegations of unfairness, partisanship, benefits or favouritism to Biden with such a debate?

  60. He is way behind.

    And you don’t catch up by not showing up.

    Big error in a couple of weeks filled with big errors.

    Catching the disease by means of carelessness is one of the big errors.

  61. Trump can be a good communicator.

    Not my cup of tea, but he can be.

    Why can’t he succeed in this format?

    Especially after the first debate was so catastrophically bad, he really needs to do another one soon, in any format.

    Bad impulsive decision.

  62. I think that’s the crux of it. Trump learned of the change on air and reacted. Personally, I think if he thought about it, he could come up with a strategy that could be effective for the venue.

    In a nutshell, the Commission blindsided him and really pissed him off. Can open, worms everywhere.

  63. best thing that could happen for the country is Trunk tweets something that incites violence and has his twitter account suspended. Nanci got her reaction, she plays him very well
    The guy does no work and watches TV all day , tweets berserk all CAPS daily deranged meltdowns and behaves like like a teenage brat .
    Enough already .. for the 1000th time

  64. And…

    Everything is negotiable.

    He could have counter offered some other way of doing it instead of saying no. No is easy, no sounds final, proposing an alternative actually puts more pressure on the other guy than ” no ” does.

    He could still do that.

  65. I don’t think that’s the case as Trumpists have been alleging partisanship and favouritism to Biden with such a format although it could morph into the complaint when they run out of excuses trying to explain what the supposed benefits are to Biden.

    That’s when Trump will be exposed as running.

  66. Paul the only person who benefits from no debate is Biden. Trump is who Trump is we’ve seen him at his worst and that’s when he’s his best. Biden has focus issues and the big difference is the visuals.

    Trump is always angry you never see the switch flip, but Uncle Joe gets frustrated and loses it. I’ve watched it happen to him my whole life, because that’s how long he’s been doing this and that’s how long he’s had this problem. And when it happens he looks both ugly and stupid.

    His campaign can’t afford that, he’s running on the fact that he’s the stable one.

    Besides one was enough, nothing can be gleaned by the people. Trump is Trump and Biden won’t answer a question.

    From a strictly technical sense, The Commission changed the rules. Why because Trump had Covid. Now according to the DOCTORS and Fauci, and the Scientists by the time of the debate Trump will NOT be contagious……

    But that’s why they changed the format, because the commision is saying the exact same thing that Biden/Harris are saying and saying it daily. They won’t take a Trump Vacine, now they don’t believe their own science that he wouldn’t be contagious because he’s Trump and can’t be Trusted.

    The Commission took sides they took the Biden/Harris side Trump can’t be trusted to tell them whether or not he’s contagious…… never mind that they’re calling the President of United States a Liar, they’re saying they don’t even trust the doctors and scientists when it comes to Trump….. the exact main platform of the Biden/Harris campaign.

    That’s not impartial it favors Biden.

  67. Paul the only person who benefits from no debate is Biden

    Then Pat, yet again, tell us exactly what the benefits for Biden are with such a debating format?

    BTW, the POTUS is a liar.

  68. Who said that he would not be contagious

    There is no firm time for an infected person to stop being contagious. You can be contagious without showing symptoms.

    And Trump normally would bring his entourage to attend, who themselves have come down with it, again due to pure carelessness in the White House and campaign staff.

  69. I agree with Phantom. Trump can’t get a base hit from the dugout. He needs to be at the plate swinging. Also Biden needs to be out there gaffing.

    Trump needs to rethink his position. He visually looks better than Biden, IMO. Biden looks his age (I know the feeling!). Trump looks more robust.

  70. He’s behind.

    And he needs to do something that he hasn’t been doing.

    I don’t expect him to change course on anything, but it’s what needs to happen if he’s to have a shot.

    Being endlessly disagreeable isn’t a strategy, it’s almost a lack of a strategy.

  71. This is getting really funny.

    Today Trump announced:

    “I’m back because I am a perfect physical specimen and I’m extremely young. And so I’m lucky in that way”.

    It remind me of the way East German leader Erich Honecker was drifting further and further away from reality and in the end went sort of mad as he watched his phoney regime collapse all around him.

  72. lmao….

    The general thought is Trump is behind, That the Pandemic hurt him, made him look bad. If you watch or read any of the written print of the big 3 CNN/MSNBC/FOX that’s what they all say, same with realclear, zogby, rasmussen…. Trump’s behind Biden’s ahead.

    My view and it’s only my view is this is going to be the largest anger vote in history. And the anger is focused at the dems not Trump. The dems have stuck to their story it’s Trumps fault, except the people stopped hearing that the day a cop choked a guy to death and the dems let the animals burn and pillage.

    That’s when they lost, and they just don’t see it…..

  73. Then Pat, yet again, tell us exactly what the benefits for Biden are with such a debating format?

    Paul how many times do you need it spelled out for you….? For the second time…..

    From a strictly technical sense, The Commission changed the rules. Why because Trump had Covid. Now according to the DOCTORS and Fauci, and the Scientists by the time of the debate Trump will NOT be contagious……

    But that’s why they changed the format, because the commision is saying the exact same thing that Biden/Harris are saying and saying it daily. They won’t take a Trump Vacine, now they don’t believe their own science that he wouldn’t be contagious because he’s Trump and can’t be Trusted.

    The Commission took sides they took the Biden/Harris side Trump can’t be trusted to tell them whether or not he’s contagious…… never mind that they’re calling the President of United States a Liar, they’re saying they don’t even trust the doctors and scientists when it comes to Trump….. the exact main platform of the Biden/Harris campaign.

    That’s not impartial it favors Biden.

    BTW, the POTUS is a liar.

    Trump is the most honest man to ever serve in the office.

    He got an anal exam for 5 years by the best detectives in the world and they didn’t find shit.

  74. Now if there’s a natural disaster, we’ll be the first there…

    ***COUGH COUGH – Response to Coronavirus pandemic – COUGH***

    No matter what way you try to spin it, Trump is the one who is refusing to take part in the debate. Biden can just sit back and laugh and watch Trump spin himself into the ground on this one.

  75. Paul the only person who benefits from no debate is Biden.

    Yes Patrick, that’s for sure. Your guy is floundering and refusing this debate is a big failure of judgment. Maybe he’ll do a reverse ferret but it will need to be soon.

    My view and it’s only my view is this is going to be the largest anger vote in history. And the anger is focused at the dems not Trump.

    Yes Patrick, it’s only your view. The opinion polls are moving into Biden landslide territory.

  76. Trump is the most honest man to ever serve in the office.

    This one statement is so irrational that it negates everything you say about any thing

  77. “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. “

    Advice from Napoleon to Joe Biden

    Biden should smile a Cheshire smile, say little, and keep on going.

  78. Trump is the most honest man to ever serve in the office.

    Even more honest than Nixon, who was the most honest of them all.

  79. Now if there’s a natural disaster, we’ll be the first there, but the free ride needs to end.

    Pat you don’t even get there first to natural disasters in your own country, just ask the people in Louisiana or Puerto Rico

  80. This one statement is so irrational that it negates everything you say about any thing

    5yrs of investigation by the fbi…… what did they charge him with?

    You can call him the most crooked man in the world and the biggest liar, but if you believe that than you have to put him down as Moriarty level of genius because all those lies about all those crime and the worlds best investigators couldn’t get a single thing to stick.

    I mean it’s one or the other super genius or an honest man.

    Either one is fine with me, my agenda has advanced. We have 300 constitutional Judges added at the Federal Level and 3 Constitutionalist Supreme Court Judges. While at the sametime becoming the worlds largest supply of oil an lng…… shit he could drop dead tomorrow and he’s still right there with Nixon, and Reagan.

    The next four years will be salt in their wounds no matter how much he gets done or not.

  81. Here’s one solution to lockdown measures – kidnap your state’s governor

  82. Yes Seimi

    See my 5.29 above and subsequent comments. We’re on this one.

  83. Grumps campaign guy is on Fox News blaming the governor. Not condemning the plot
    That’s how low the gop have sunk . This is your stinking potus ar work mr Von root
    Your guy is losing so bad and you’re missing all the details .

  84. Doesn’t the constitution allow you to kidnap the governor if you feel that she is violating your twisted understanding of the law?

    Why they should give the lads medals, right?

    She’s the bad one in this situation

  85. Anyways, it seems clear that those steroids are making Trump even wilder than usual. He attacks his own SOS and AG and calls Kamala Harris a communist and a monster. Maybe we should give him a pass because he’s on his meds, not off them. Last days in the bunker stuff, and no doubt more to come:

    “In his first extended public comments since being diagnosed with the virus last week, Mr. Trump called for the indictment of his predecessor, President Obama, and his current opponent, Joseph R. Biden Jr., as he revisited events of the 2016 campaign in a meandering, hourlong telephone interview on Fox Business Channel. He assailed his secretary of state, attorney general, F.B.I. director and a senior Justice Department prosecutor because they have not charged Democrats or released politically damaging information about them. “These people should be indicted,” he said.

    The president’s comments came during an interview that, even for him, was a scattershot and manic performance, one that advisers said reflected increasing frustration over his political fortunes just 26 days before an election that surveys show him losing by double digits. In focusing his ire on his own team, he seemed to indicate that he saw October prosecutions as his best chance to rebound.

    Mr. Trump called Senator Kamala Harris, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee and the first woman of color on a major national ticket, a “monster.” He said the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, was “disappointing.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/08/us/harris-pence-trump-biden#trump-calls-for-prosecuting-his-political-enemies-in-an-erratic-television-interview

  86. He won’t go out gracefully.

    I look forward to the ghost written new bio, where he settles scores with everyone who ever lived.

    Everyone a stupid traitor, except him.

  87. Biden will need to win bigly, and even then Trump will not concede. If he gets half a chance he will appeal to SCOTUS and they will bend over backwards to keep him in office, even if whatshername every sperm is sacred is not confirmed in time to help him out.

    That Rose Garden event two weeks ago for the new judge is looking like a super-spreader event. Have a looks at these pics and judge for yourselves.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/08/us/white-house-coronavirus-cdc.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  88. Peter

    I actually read your comment already, and still linked to the same article!
    Definitely bed time!

  89. I think I know pat why you think trump honest .
    It’s a confusion between some one who speaks their mind and a truthful person
    They’re not the same thing .

    Trump is so misinformed on every subject it Judt does not cut it to say he is honest .

    Hope I’ve helped to clear that one up .. cheers K

  90. Paul how many times do you need it spelled out for you….? For the second time…..

    I don’t need it spelled out, but I would like it explained.

    Your hosepiping above comments on the Commission changing the debate format, on taking or not taking a vaccine and on speculation as to whether Trump would still be contagious. Regurgitating a lot of unrelated word salad doesn’t answer the question as to how such a debate format benefits Biden and where the alleged unfairness and partiality are because the fact is that one candidate doesn’t have any benefit to such a format that the other hasn’t.

    Trump’s running away from debate and it’s plain to see.

    Trump is the most honest man to ever serve in the office.

    He’s a repeated, habitual liar for whom untruth comes to as easy as breathing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/13/donald-trump-20000-false-or-misleading-claims

  91. There is no point whatsoever trying to debate with Troll about Trump’s honesty. He made his mind up, as soon as Cruz lost the nomination, that he was going to support Trump, no matter what.
    You have to at least admire his conviction (if not Trump’s avoidance of one!), in that he has never once wavered in that support, even in the face of over-whelming evidence. No amount of lies, no amount of dishonesty, no amount of bad leadership will deter Troll in his mission to slavishly repeat Trump’s bullshit on every subject.
    Unfortunately, it seems that a significant proportion of the Trump support base are similarly like-minded.
    At least some, like our own Charles, will admit when Trump goes too far. Indeed, as Charles has stated, it is Trump’s policies, not Trump himself, who he supports, which should at least garner some hope that, should a better human being with similar policies came along, Charles would support them instead.
    Troll’s approach, however, has painted him into a corner, from where he must defend increasingly bizarre and unpalatable lies.

  92. I think the main reason why Patrick defends every action and every word Trump does/utters is because he knows there are enough critics of Trump here on ATW so why should he be the same even partially. He offers a defence of Trump which can actually be refreshing and more interesting than if we all pile in saying the same thing when Trump does something undeniably wrong (like the car parade outside the hospital). There is no defence of incidents like that, but its good that we have someone here on ATW willing to go where no sane man would and try and offer a rationale for the irrational 🙂

  93. So, are you saying that, after four (or god forbid, eight years!), he is just going to turn around and say, “Ha ha! I was only joking! And you all fell for it! I actually think of Trump exactly the way all of you do, but I wanted to play devil’s advocate, in order to stimulate debate!”???
    I don’t believe that for a second, Colm.

  94. No Seimi, not at all. He clearly largely supports Trump and his policies honestly , and would prefer Trump to be re-elected than Biden or any Democrat. Its just that unlike Charles, Patrick just doesn’t want to mention when Trump does something wrong. Nobody can honestly genuinely believe every Trump action is right. In those moments his support of Trump is ‘fake news’

  95. But even if that is true, then it isn’t ‘fake news’ when he voices support when it’s not genuine: it’s a lie. And he is never going to admit to telling a lie on here – he has never admitted to it in all the time he has been here.

    So, according to your theory, he has lied for four years, may lie for another four years, and will continue to lie hereafter, because to admit to this one, elongated bout of lying would inevitably leave him open to a re-examination of all the other times he was accused of lying, but denied it.

    If he has told the truth, then this creates a paradox, in which he has never lied, but has lied about something, which he must now continue to lie about, because he has claimed that he never lies.

  96. Blimey Seimi, could you put the word lie once more in that comment just so we get the message clearly 🙂

    Patrick isn’t really lying he’s just being economical with the truth. He’s Trump’s Barrister in the court of ATW opinion. He argues his clients case, even when he knows that case is a radioactive, booby trapped, poison filled, threadbare, falling apart at the seems basket case 🙂

  97. BTW – I love the headline on the BBC news website this morning that says “Trump ready to return to public life ” – I wasn’t even aware he had spent a nanosecond away from public life 🙂

  98. If Trump loses big, which appears quite possible, what will his supporters here say.

    Trump won last time with all the stars aligned. His opponent was unpopular, and she a leisurely and badly focused race. Trump went all out, and barely squeaked ahead at the finish line in the right number of states, despite losing the popular vote nationally.. It’s extremely unlikely that that will happen again. Trump is widely despised in the swing states amd nationally. There is no way that he wins places like PA or Mi now, And nobody hates Joe Biden the way that many hated Hillary Clinton

    It will be more than disappointing if they follow Donald in saying that the coming loss will be due to fraud.

    Because all kidding aside that kind of thing would seriously harm the country.

    Do they hate Democrats more than they love their country?

    I strongly dislike the Democrat Party of today, but I know how to read the tea leaves.

  99. It’s peculiar, and a little scary, how this one man can create a whole world of lies around him that so many people are so willing drawn into. It’s exactly as Orwell said in 1984, for them, there is so such thing as truth or lies, you just distort or completely invert the facts to suit the propaganda need of the day. While positioning themselves as Christians, when it suits of course, they have absolutely zero regard for the truth.

    Not only all his staff and associates and his groupies, but this vortex has even drawn in his doctors. They even tell lies about telling lies. The Leader is doing fine, later they say he was doing badly at precisely the time they said he was doing fine. They then admit they told lies, but add – bizzarly – that you have to do so (tell lies to the public) to keep up the patient’s spirits.

    It’s a combination of a complete lack of morality, a large dose of naivety and the kind of brainlessness that is so far gone that they think everyone else is as dumb as they are. You can see it here every day and there are still some people who like to “engage” with it.

  100. Noel

    I don’t think that is what it is. Nobody – apart from a small number of genuinely deranged Trump groupies – is taken in by Trump. He’s not some God like messiah figure capable of brainwashing devotees. He’s too flakey to be able to do that. The staff, flunkies, doctors and officials around him largely have to react as they do because he is the POTUS. He has power and authority and they have to mould their reactions and statements around him unless they are willing to lose their jobs for speaking truth to power, and most people aren’t that brave.

    That Trump is a loudmouth incompetent buffoon is genuinely appealing however to a large group of Americans who loathe and feel alienated by what they see as the professional political elite. Of course Trump is and has been since birth a member of the privileged elite but he acts and talks and behaves differently and that makes many ordinary Americans feel he is ‘one of us’.

    The professionals who have to work around him probably in most cases consider themselves to be much more intelligent, competent and coherent than him, but they choose to dance to his tune because that’s what they calculate they need to do while he holds the power and purse strings in the Washington game.

  101. //Because all kidding aside that kind of thing would seriously harm the country.//

    A Biden win should really be only the first step in a major correction.
    Hatred and gross stupidity on all sides, lies to make the devil blush, the most extreme partisanship, violence and a contempt for decency all round.

    This is the hour for true conservatives, people who will bring pragmatism, honour and respect back into politics. I’m no political expert, but I’d say someone has to get rid of whatever obstacles there are to new parties emerging. Us vs Them, Trump vs Clinton, Biden vs Trump – a binary choice always prevents an open and objective discussion of the issues of the day. They call it politics, but it’s anything but politics.

  102. Patrick isn’t really lying he’s just being economical with the truth.

    No, Colm, it’s more than that. Being ‘economical with the truth’ is just lying by omission, but that doesn’t cover what goes on here. Certain people here – Troll and Pete Moore especially – will double down on Trump’s lies. They will also defend them and, when they can no longer do even that, they will say, “And what? It’s what we expect. After all, he’s just a Carny Barker etc etc.”
    I honestly don’t care who anybody supports, but at least be honest about it. I spoke to Charles in person about this, and I respect his points of view, even if I disagree with him. It’s hard to respect someone’s points of view when they haven’t once criticised a single wrong action of the person they are supporting, and instead resort to, “I will criticise him when he does something wrong, which he hasn’t done yet,” despite all evidence to the contrary.
    It’s blatantly dishonest, and I think you give too much credit when you try to excuse this type of behaviour by dismissing it as some little game they are playing in order to wind other people up, or even worse, in order to give an alternative view on the subject.

  103. //doctors and officials around him largely have to react as they do because he is the POTUS. He has power and authority and they have to mould their reactions and statements around him unless they are willing to lose their jobs for speaking truth to power,//

    Rubbish. There is still huge dissent in the US without censure. There’s such a thing as medical ethics, and it’s a pretty bad form for a doctor to distort the medical progress of a patient just for the needs of political propaganda.
    At least one of the docs in that clinic severely criticised Trump’s behaviour and his colleagues who facilitated it. AFAIK he’s still in his job.

  104. Fauci has played an incredibly skilled game.

    He Has continued to tell the truth, has continued never to sugarcoat anything, while serving a president who is in the service of lies.

  105. A cult member doesn’t know that he’s in a cult

    The followers of Reverend Moon and of Jim Jones were the exact same thing as the hard core followers of Trump.

  106. I haven’t read the thread, yet…. I’m reading from the bottom up and I see that this rebirth of discussion is that I am a Liar and a cult member……. lol

    I’ll respond after I read all this nonsense…..

  107. “I will criticise him when he does something wrong, which he hasn’t done yet,” despite all evidence to the contrary.

    What EVIDENCE ? 4 years of Investigations and NOTHING….. show the evidence…. or look in the mirror.

  108. “I love the smell of napalm in the morning.”

  109. This is idiocy…..

    It’s blatantly dishonest, and I think you give too much credit when you try to excuse this type of behaviour by dismissing it as some little game they are playing in order to wind other people up, or even worse, in order to give an alternative view on the subject.

    yes god forbid an alternative view on the subject….. so your view is the ONLY VIEW… if you oppose it you’re a liar…. should I be reeducated ?

  110. Charles

    “Broken Arrow”

  111. The professionals who have to work around him probably in most cases consider themselves to be much more intelligent, competent and coherent than him, but they choose to dance to his tune because that’s what they calculate they need to do while he holds the power and purse strings in the Washington game.

    yes the UNELECTED BUROCRATS must keep the Person the people picked to run things in line.

    You’d make a good swamp creature Colm.

  112. Patrick, your position has been over run. Nape it.

  113. Patrick isn’t really lying he’s just being economical with the truth. He’s Trump’s Barrister in the court of ATW opinion. He argues his clients case, even when he knows that case is a radioactive, booby trapped, poison filled, threadbare, falling apart at the seems basket case 🙂

    an accurate statement.

  114. I’ll take Trump telling porkies, to Biden who wants to pack the SCOTUS (oh yes he does) pack the Senate with new states and senators, and allow himself to be used by the ultra left in this country that wish to “reimagine it”.

  115. Patrick

    Ah, the Johnnie Cochran of ATW speaks.

    Charles

    The president and McConnell have already ” packed ” the Supreme Court, by the unconstitutional game they played with the Garland nomination.

    I don’t support packing the court, but this president is every bad as AOC on stuff like this.

  116. What exactly is a ‘virtual’ debate?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/second-presidential-debate-between-trump-and-biden-on-oct-15-will-be-virtual.html

    Trump refuses to participate in virtual debate on Oct. 15: ‘I’m not going to waste my time’

    I watched some of the previous debate and Trump dominated Biden to such an extent that I can understand why the Dems must avoid another at any cost and why Saturday Night Live re-ran the debate for their partisans to ‘re-believe’ that Biden (Jim Carrey) won against Trump (Alec Baldwin). Indeed, Morgoth ran an excellent explanation for this……

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=223&v=7i7Z0j1G5HQ&feature=emb_logo

    My new video takes a look at how SNL and America’s mass media created a new reality for liberal Americans to dwell in after the recent Trump vs Biden debate….

    Rosalie Nuxe
    3 days ago
    This commentary is a perfect demonstration of why engaging in rational arguments with the left is a pointless and misguided endeavour. Where reality fails they will simply make up a new version. The enemy does not and will not ever play within the boundaries or fairness and logic. Too many on the right still cannot seem to understand this.

    As was pointed out be a commentator to Morgoth, this replaying of debate on SNL has on-going effects. Following a similar thread, SNL ran Sarah Palin saying “I can see Russia from my house” – and several at ATW and everywhere believed that she actually did say this – she didn’t but the point stands.

  117. Kurt said something interesting yesterday with a grain of truth in it for once. He said speaking your mind, a quality I admire, and telling the truth, are often two different things. With Trump you have to distinguish between the two.

  118. Charles reflects a lot of the reason behind Trump’s support. Huge numbers of , particularly fairly comfortable middle class politically central people will vote for Trump despite having no admiration for his qualities as President because they fear what they perceive will be a radical Democrat administration. They have no desire To see Trump as the Head of State but they prefer the embarrassing devil they know than the one they think will steal their dollars.

  119. Trump didn’t debate Biden the first time, he was a rude, ignorant interruption machine.

    Even the supporters here recognized it as a bad performance by him.

    Who here believed that what ( the wonderful ) Tina Fey said while playing Palin was actually true?

    Many here said that Palin was neither educated nor smart, and that’s been verified a thousand times over.

  120. Seimi, on October 9th, 2020 at 11:24 AM Said: Edit Comment
    But even if that is true, then it isn’t ‘fake news’ when he voices support when it’s not genuine: it’s a lie. And he is never going to admit to telling a lie on here – he has never admitted to it in all the time he has been here.

    So, according to your theory, he has lied for four years, may lie for another four years, and will continue to lie hereafter, because to admit to this one, elongated bout of lying would inevitably leave him open to a re-examination of all the other times he was accused of lying, but denied it.

    If he has told the truth, then this creates a paradox, in which he has never lied, but has lied about something, which he must now continue to lie about, because he has claimed that he never lies.

    As Dan Aykroyd once said….. “Jane you ignorant slut”

    Seimi you ignorant Terrorist Sympathizer….. Call me a liar FU Skippy.

    I’m a liar, never mind we have proof that the Obama Administration supported and aided Hillary in trying to Frame Donald Trump, Never mind that there were four years of investigations into the man that never even found an unpaid parking ticket, and Never mind that we have the FBI Lawyer who wrote the 4 FISA case Presentations pleading guilty to lying and falsifying evidence……

    Screw the facts….,., it’s a LIE he’s guilty, we need no stinkin evidence….

    Your father married his sister didn’t he? or is this asinine thinking the result of a Wet Brain from your lifetime of alcoholic self pity?

  121. You’d make a good swamp creature Colm.

    You don’t get the point I was making Patrick. Plus, the people didn’t pick Trump for President. He won the electoral game according to the rules, but he was never the popular choice. Hilary was.

  122. “Following a similar thread, SNL ran Sarah Palin saying “I can see Russia from my house” – and several at ATW and everywhere believed that she actually did say this – she didn’t but the point stands.”

    Except she broadly did say it. Not the specific words but the general gist. Like all good satire Fey’s comment as Palin had some basis in fact. Sarah Palin said she had insight into Russia because you can see Russia from parts of Alaska.

  123. Phantom, point of order. Trump had nothing to do with the Garland incident. That’s all on McConnell.

    But I see the point you’re making.

  124. Patrick

    I don’t think Seimi is calling you a liar. He is claiming that a reading of my analysis of your defence of Trump implies that you don’t believe what you are saying.

  125. “Trump had nothing to do with the Garland incident. That’s all on McConnell.”

    Though he did publicly support McConnell on the issue, calling for the next President to pick the nominee.

  126. Colm, your 2:01 is right on the money. Trump is the better the devil you know.

  127. Absolutely Trump supported the non-consideration of Garland.

    Trump and McConnell were Siamese twins on this

  128. Colm he’s calling me a Liar and being consistent about it. He’s an inbred alcoholic terror supporter who doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong.

  129. Phantom, on October 9th, 2020 at 2:16 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Absolutely Trump supported the non-consideration of Garland.

    Trump and McConnell were Siamese twins on this

    Trump held no office at the time and wasn’t even running TDS.

  130. Please list for me the crimes he has committed, please list the things he has gotten wrong.

    I’ll wait…..

  131. Garland was nominated on March 16 2016.

    Super Tuesday had already happened.

    Trump declared his candidacy one year before the Garland nomination.

  132. In the mean time lets look at what Trump is the bulwark against….

    This was put out by AOC and the rest of the Communists that control the Democrat Party

    https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/ajs

    Remember the Green New Deal? Well, as it turns out, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was just getting started.

    The New York Democrat recently released a new platform, the Just Society legislative package. The proposal includes five bills and one resolution. Its goal is to “build a just society to protect our communities and uplift our neighbors” and do so by “combat[ing] the greatest threats to our country, our democracy, and our planet: economic inequality and climate change.”

    Taken in its entirety, Ocasio-Cortez’s Just Society platform is a mix of pie-in-the-sky, utopian rhetoric and bad socialist policy.

    The very basis of her anti-poverty plan is absurd. The first bill in Ocasio-Cortez’s proposal, the Recognizing Real Poverty Act, would instruct the federal government to reevaluate the official poverty line to include geographical variations and “needs,” such as internet access. The socialist congresswoman has said she thinks the poverty line should be as high as $38,000 in annual salary. This would triple poverty overnight, classifying many working-class, self-sufficient Americans as if they were in dire need of government intervention.

    Besides, the poverty line doesn’t even indicate whether or not someone is actually living in poverty because it doesn’t count government benefits. So Ocasio-Cortez is saying that someone earning nearly $40,000 before any government benefits should be classified as “poor,” and, likely in her mind, thus entitled to even more handouts.

    Ocasio-Cortez’s second bill is where the actual socialist policy comes in. It would enact a national rent control program, a federal mandate binding landlords throughout the country to a limit of 3% annual rent increases.

    This isn’t just a massive government overreach: It’s economic illiteracy, too. As I have previously written:

    Price controls just restrict the supply of housing, because they discourage developers from building more housing by lowering potential profits. This, in the long-run, will send rents soaring in non-rent-controlled areas. Meanwhile, property owners who do face rent restrictions may convert their apartments to condos or otherwise stop renting them, rather than rent out their property at artificially low prices.
    Ocasio-Cortez’s next two bills are about who can receive government welfare.

    The Mercy in Re-entry Act would entitle felons and others with criminal convictions to full eligibility for welfare programs and government benefits. Basically, felons could get public housing, food stamps, and so on. Similarly, The Embrace Act would extend full eligibility for welfare to illegal immigrants. According to Fox Business, this would include Medicaid, unemployment benefits, welfare, and food stamps.

    That’s right: A key part of Ocasio-Cortez’s grand plan to end poverty is to force taxpayers to subsidize illegal immigrants and felons.

    Next, she moves to punish businesses who don’t comply with her socialist vision for society. Her final bill would instruct the Department of Labor to prioritize the awarding of federal contracts to companies that have paid maternity leave, a $15 minimum wage, and so on. Apparently, asserting government control over private business practices is more important than, say, being a responsible steward of taxpayer money and awarding contracts to the most efficient, least expensive bidder.

    In classic Green New Deal style, though, the most radical part of the Just Society package is the resolution it includes. Ocasio-Cortez’s plan would have the United States sign on to an international accord that states all people “have the right to work, fair and just conditions of work, social security, an adequate standard of living, including adequate food, clothing, housing, and healthcare.”

    While that might sound nice in the abstract, it’s a vision of positive rights — the right to something rather than freedom from — that inevitably involves massive amounts of socialism.

    A right to healthcare? Well, that would have to include the right to force doctors to provide care, perhaps for less than it costs them to give. And that requires a government takeover of healthcare.

    A right to housing? Well, surely the government must meet that right by taking over the private housing stock and dictating who lives where, at least, that’s the inevitable conclusion of such a free-wheeling approach to rights. And in a similar manner, all of the “rights” and pie-in-the-sky, utopian clauses of the Just Society ultimately lead us back to one place: an expansion of the power of government to interfere in markets in ways that have been proven counterproductive.

    They want to make sure the base doesn’t get confused by Biden/Harris campaigning and the PEOPLE know what the agenda is……

  133. Phantom, on October 9th, 2020 at 2:24 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Garland was nominated on March 16 2016.

    Super Tuesday had already happened.

    Trump declared his candidacy one year before the Garland nomination.

    thank you for the correction.

  134. Kurt said something interesting yesterday with a grain of truth in it for once.

    I’m a build on that Charles , you got it man , pat still hasn’t got it though
    looks like he’s set to flounder and flail all the way till Nov 3rd
    e.g

    inbred alcoholic terror supporter

    lol we’re in the swamp with that comment, don’t see a rise coming today 😉
    .. Selah !

  135. ot

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/punk-icon-john-lydon-says-voting-president-trump/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

  136. If I’m a Liar, Seimi is an inbred alcoholic terror supporter

  137. //If I’m a Liar, Seimi is an inbred alcoholic terror supporter//

    That means he isn’t.

  138. Patrick

    So does that mean Johnny has gone back to being Rotten ? 🙂

  139. I guess….. lol

  140. Noel, on October 9th, 2020 at 5:00 PM Said: Edit Comment
    //If I’m a Liar, Seimi is an inbred alcoholic terror supporter//

    That means he isn’t.

    …….. yes

  141. Seimi is an inbred alcoholic terror supporter

    Well that’s the compliments done, but what are his faults ? 🙂

  142. Seimi is an inbred alcoholic terror supporter

    He also has some negative points though.

  143. spoken like a true fellow traveler…… lol

  144. here ya go Paul learn something…… Trump rally on Limbaugh…. right now.

    https://www.radio.com/1210wpht/listen

  145. That site isn’t available in the EU.

    What could a Trump rally possibly teach me?

  146. //What could a Trump rally possibly teach me?//

    Paul, you can answer your own question if you tried to log in to that crap.

  147. Paul, you can answer your own question if you tried to log in to that crap

    Curiousity is now the benchmark of lack of knowledge? Fair enough.

  148. What could a Trump rally possibly teach me?

    That whenever you think you’ve seen enough crap in the world, there’s always more.. 🙂

  149. Touché, Colm.

  150. Phantom – on Sarah Palin, Seamus said (September 28th, 2018) that Palin said that she could see Russia from her house. His weak post-realisation defence is that Palin really did say that one can see Russia from Alaska.

    Note to Seamus – one REALLY CAN see Russia from Alaska

    Re-inventing a reality works on lefties, and Jim Carrey beat Trump in the debate

  151. “Note to Seamus – one REALLY CAN see Russia from Alaska”

    Yes. And the mocking of Palin was not because of the idea that you can see Russia from parts of Alaska. The mocking of Palin was over the idea that the fact that you can see Russia from parts of Alaska offers her foreign policy experience and insights.

  152. Patrick Van Roy, on October 9th, 2020 at 2:18 PM Said:
    Colm he’s calling me a Liar and being consistent about it. He’s an inbred alcoholic terror supporter who doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong.

    Troll, you really didn’t get the point I was making, did you?

    For the record, I advanced a hypothesis, and as part of that hypothesis, I hypothetically suggested you may be lying. Is calling someone a liar the same as hypothesising that someone may be a liar, based on the hypothesis?

    By the way, I didn’t make the comments in order to start a fight with you. However, you have fired some insults at me, which surely goes against your, “I never throw the first punch,” spiel.
    So – when you said, “I never throw the first punch,” were you lying? Or were you lying when you said I was, “an inbred alcoholic terror supporter who doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong”?

    I look forward, with great anticipation, to your answers on both questions.

    Yours, most sincerely,

    Me.

  153. what a load of tripe….. look if you lack the intestinal fortitude to own your shit Seimi that’s fine, but don’t insult me with such a sad pathetic spin….. I advanced a hypothesis that’s sad….. I’m going to hypothetically insult you, but I’m not insulting you it’s a hypothetical…. lol

    Good god grow a set of balls, I thought better of you. I respected your fight and tenacity… my insults were said to piss you off…. If I didn’t at least get a ruffle don’t worry I’ll try harder and I’ll own my insults….. don’t piss down my back son and try to tell me it’s raining… hypothetical…. hmmph try harder

  154. Trump supporters are threatening to leave the country if Biden wins? OK, find a country with no public healthcare that’s outlawed abortion and has easy access to guns.
    Afghanistan comes to mind. Pack a sweater.
    afghan relocations : call mullah von rooster and bearded cleric pashtun moore removals 0800-Whackos-Trump-is-a-loser

  155. Good god grow a set of balls, I thought better of you. I respected your fight and tenacity… my insults were said to piss you off…. If I didn’t at least get a ruffle don’t worry I’ll try harder and I’ll own my insults….. don’t piss down my back son and try to tell me it’s raining… hypothetical…. hmmph try harder

    LOL – Troll, I’ve been posting here long enough for you to know that if I was going to insult you, I would just insult you! I wouldn’t dress it up in fancy words or anything like that – I would want you to clearly understand what it was I was calling you or saying about you!

    So trust me – if I said that I posed a hypothetical question, then that’s exactly what I did.

    The fact that you failed to understand that shows that I will have to really dumb things down the next time, so that even you can grasp it!

    (You see that last line? That was an insult. The rest of it wasn’t. Just so we’re clear 🙂 )

  156. Seimi

    However, you have fired some insults at me, which surely goes against your, “I never throw the first punch,” spiel.

    Patrick and his famous ‘I never threw the first punch’ claim. About as believable untruthful as all his other claims. For the latest example, look over on the droids thread, where he insults Peter by calling him a moron and accuses him of ‘smoking something’.

  157. Patrick

    Just to be clear on this particular thread Seimi wasn’t actually calling you a liar.(He may have done on others, but not this one). He was responding to my suggesting of how you approach your role here on ATW with regard to defending Trump. My claims that you were ‘acting for your client’ led to his subsequent comment that means you would be saying things you don’t believe. He was saying that if my analysis was true, then in his opinion that means you would inevitably be lying in your defence of Trump. It all depends on whether my analysis is accurate !

  158. Oh for God’s sake!

    It’s hard to know who’s worse.

  159. Clarity matters !

  160. Oh for God’s sake!

    It’s hard to know who’s worse.

    Was this meant to be somehow directed at me?? What a strange reaction.

    I posed a hypothetical question regarding Troll defending Trump’s lies. I made no accusations. Troll misunderstood, and I have responded twice (three times!) now in an attempt to clarify. Hopefully I have finally succeeded.

  161. I think Noel is referring to the fact we are engaging in a sort of top level scientific analysis dissecting the veracity of comments here as if we were debating a crucial piece of evidence in a life or death court verdict. I think Noel’s message is really “Who the fuck cares” 🙂

  162. OK, now I do know. 🙂

  163. It must be me ! I won the Noel Prize for ‘most pedantic boring worst commenter of the day’. Thank You Noel I am humbled and touched 🙂

  164. You’re a nice guy, Colm, but you’re a significant part of why this site has gone to the dogs. Indirectly, yes, but almost as much as anyone else. And I’ve already told you why, so there’s no point repeating myself.

    BTW, you’re probably as inaccurate at divining the intentions of Patrick and Charles (did I miss anyone?) as you are with mine.

  165. Jaysus, Noel
    Are ye havin’ a bit of a rough day over there are ye? 🙂

  166. this’ll cheer yas all up
    seniors in the villages in buggy carts all coming out for biden/harris

    “This gets you rejuvenated and ready for the next month or so, so we can do this and win. It gives you hope,” the 60-year-old retiree said

    https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-seniors-florida-michael-pence-b8bbfd3a87dc290a84b9ed9915a4cf63

    there’s a video too, so beautiful these patriots , who want to save America from collapse

  167. Noel

    I comment differently to how you do that’s all. The site really would go to the dogs if everyone only commented or expressed opinions in a way that suited others. You disagree with my views. That doesn’t make you more well informed or correct than me, just one of the many alternatives we have here.

  168. Seimi, no not at all. Actually, I was just talking with my wife about the great trip to Belfast this morning. She wants to come along next time :-). I was trying to dissuade her, as to be frank I always prefer one-on-one chats.

    Colm, I wasn’t talking about any views you have. I don’t know what put that in your head.

    I’m thinking of adopting my own customised Hallstein Doctrine here. Otherwise this place is going to do out not with a bang but a whimper.

  169. Noel, You’ve had a couple of bad days mate. Yesterday you compared Bin Ladin supporters to Trump supporters because both like to see innocents die, or some such rubbish. And you say Colm is bringing the site down? Pot, kettle, black, IMO.

  170. Noel,
    //You’re a nice guy, Colm, but you’re a significant part of why this site has gone to the dogs. //

    I would agree with that.
    But just the balance you can criticise me next mate, I won’t take offence.

  171. Wow that escalated quickly.

    Are battle lines being drawn here? Relax lads, it’s only a blog.

  172. I will not get into specifics, but will say that I don’t understand 99% of this conversation.

    Peace.

  173. Wise words Paul.

  174. There’s no battle on my part. I don’t get angry at people’s views or even if directed at me. . I just won’t get into pointless abusive rows like some here love to do, and my refusal to do that seems to annoy some people . And if that’s an example of me dragging the site down so be it.

  175. Jaysus, all this because one person misunderstood one comment?
    Mental.

  176. Shall we draw a veil across this thread and pretend it never happened?

  177. Pretend what never happened ? 😉