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By Patrick Van Roy On October 15th, 2020

63 Responses to “Murica”

  1. Good show to that crowd, and to the kids on the first base side who went back.

    Where did this happen?

  2. “There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.”
    ― Howard Zinn

    “Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else.”
    ― Theodore Roosevelt

    “I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.”
    ― James Baldwin

    “The greatest patriotism is to tell your country when it is behaving dishonorably, foolishly, viciously.”
    ― Julian Barnes, Flaubert’s Parrot

  3. When you can’t make them see the light, make them feel the heat.

    but hey that’s just me…….

  4. “Where did this happen?”

    It happened in Fresno, California, two years ago. There were multiple games that day and the policy, at the time, was that if there were multiple games then the American national anthem would only be played before the first game. Following this they changed the policy to play it before every game, even on days with multiple games.

  5. Why is enjoyment of a game of sport dependent on listening to a musical tune?

    Weird.

  6. In this case, it’s not just a game, but it’s teaching kids sportsmanship, tradition, and patriotism. Good show to all concerned.

  7. If you’ve been to Ireland, it’s not uncommon to hear their national anthem ( a mere ” musical tune ” to some ) played when a pub closes. It can be a stirring thing, especially to a visitor who doesn’t expect it.

    It’s a tradition, you either understand it or you choose not to.

  8. Sportsmanship and tradition are certainly connected. I personally don’t see where patriotism comes into the equation outside international matches.

  9. The tradition of playing the anthem at sports events here goes back about 150 years.

    It’s generally an exceptionally unifying thing.

    The reaction of this crowd, and of the young players on the field, demonstrates that.

  10. paul
    I think it more a “young country” thang, they feel more insecure than the older countries
    so playing the anthem on all occasion, everywhere is a kinda normal for them
    Over here its considered a bit too vulgar and populist – “steady on old chap “type thing

  11. But that’s not the premise.

    Why would enjoyment of a sports event be dependent on listening to music first?

  12. Because it’s how we do it in America…… but as I have said on multiple occasions YOU don’t understand America…….

  13. gets you in the mood, take WWE for example
    most sports during the preview have songs blasting out
    see the 1/2 time in the world series — its a big thing
    pumping up the crowd

  14. Why is taking a Guinness at an Irish pub dependent on playing Amhrán na bhFiann at closing time?

    How ” vulgar ” and ” populist “

  15. I’ve never heard the Irish National Anthem ever played in any pub. Maybe it’s an Irish American thing influenced by your sports events?

    //Because it’s how we do it in America//

    I’m not asking what you do in America, I’ve been there twice and know what you do.

    I’m asking why.

  16. bread and circuses

  17. I’ve witnessed the Irish anthem played at closing time at pubs both in Dublin and in rural Ireland. During the not so distant hard times, it could be an exceptionally moving thing.

    The US tradition like any other tradition is not to be explained by technical and rational reasons. It is what is is.

  18. I’m not asking what you do in America, I’ve been there twice and know what you do.

    I’m asking why.

    Wow…. 2 whole times…. now that may be more time than I’ve spent in NI or Spain, but then I don’t ever say I know your countries better than you as you say you do about America than I…

    Why….. is because it’s “The American Way” a term beyond your ability to grasp…….

  19. They play ” O Canada ” before Canadian amateur and professional sporting events.

    And I think that’s a fine, beautiful, unifying, thing that they do.

  20. phantom do you have a favourite hanky that you take to games to dry your eyes with
    after this public display of emotion at the anthem , genuine question
    or is any old snot rag or paper tissue you get with a hot dog good enough ?

  21. I don’t ever say I know your countries better than you as you say you do about America than I…

    I’ve never made the claim that I know all of America much less made the claim that I’ve known America better than you or any other American but you’re right, it’s twice as many times as you’ve been in reland, Britain, the EU, Israel or any of the other countries that you offer opinions on.

    Why….. is because it’s “The American Way” a term beyond your ability to grasp…….

    Yes it is, so explain it to me. Why? is the question I’m asking.

    They play ” O Canada ” before Canadian amateur and professional sporting events.

    Again, that’s absolutely nothing to do with the premise being asked.

  22. It’s done because it’s a beautiful thing to do.

  23. I’ve witnessed the Irish anthem played at closing time at pubs both in Dublin and in rural Ireland

    I’ve drank in most counties in Ireland and never been witness to such a thing in any of them.

  24. I seen the Norks do it, make benefit glorious nation of ( fill in the blank )
    and the people in the states like it like that ..
    I just find it funny when you have a bone-spurs POTUS who mocks the veterans,
    mocks sacrifice, mocks service ( losers ) breaks every commandment in the book
    and 99% of the anthem is about war sacrifice honour and Gawd
    Its a complete joke !

  25. sorry….. can’t be done Paul…. but here this is everything…..

    our alternate anthem….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwPkhbmSoJQ&ab_channel=SabrinaCaneja

  26. See multiple comments below. Don’t know what they do today, but it was very common recently to play the Irish anthem at closing at Irish pubs or even discos, esp in border counties. And I see comment about it being played at local GAA events.

    https://foot.ie/archive/index.php/t-59471-p-2.html

  27. Phantom, on October 15th, 2020 at 3:12 PM Said:
    They play ” O Canada ” before Canadian amateur and professional sporting events.

    And I think that’s a fine, beautiful, unifying, thing that they do.

    True at Professional sporting events, mostly to balance out the fact we also usually have to play the amurican national anthem

    At amateur childrens games? Never seen it

  28. As I said, I’ve drank in most counties in Ireland and I’ve never been witness to the national anthem being played in a bar at closing time.

    I was waiting for someone to bring in the GAA. The GAA is a sporting and cultural organisation whose constitution obligates it to promote Irish cuture as well as sports.

    It’s done because it’s a beautiful thing to do

    I can’t see how outside of international events connecting patriotism to sports is ‘beautiful’ but then again, I’ve never understood the whole ‘Pledge of Allegiance’ thing that schoolkids were / are indoctrinated with in the US either. It’s strange when the most innocous questions are asked about such things how some Americans perceive it to be an attack and get all defensive.

  29. Mostly to balance out the fact we also usually have to play the amurican national anthem

    ???????????

  30. Probably a reference to the fact that the NHL and other north American leagues ( MLB, NBA ) have a policy that when a US and Canadian team play one another, that the anthems of both nations are played. Out of mutual respect.

    When the Maple Leafs and Canadiens play one another, they do not play the USA anthem, nor would anyone expect them to.

  31. It’s strange when the most innocous questions are asked about such things how some Americans perceive it to be an attack and get all defensive.

    same here, its a big trigger for phantom , but as usual we can’t get to the bottom of it
    list of things that offend people: this one is high up on ATW Murican cousins list

    as an outside I have to admit when a real president who upholds or does his darned to uphold
    the verses in the star-spangled banner i will feel a bit teary , that is contextual
    relief and happiness we may finally have someone who lives up to the nations highest ideals
    can’t wait for Jan 21st , gonna get my best hanky out too 😉

  32. Foreigners ” just asking questions ”

    Hi Allan!

  33. In terms of music, the US anthem is one of the best, far better than the Irish or British. The former East Germany had a good one, and its absence at the Olmypics is for me the only reason to regret the end of the GDR.
    But of course none is as splendid as the French; nobody with a heart in his breast can not be moved by the music and words of La Marseillaise.

    But below is the true alternative US national anthem for the modern age. None of the self-preening you get in most anthems, just a deep sympathy for the people of the country, with all their dreams, strengths and weaknesses. And a very underrated song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJKF14y6JqA

  34. Foreigners ” just asking questions ”

    Oh fuck off, you fucking arsehole.

    Why is enjoyment of a game of sport dependent on listening to a musical tune?

    Weird.

    You don’t have to go into King of doublespeak & obfuscation mode every time you get defensive at an innocent question in a civil conversation.

  35. I think that the Irish and Canadian anthems are much more musical than the sluggish US one is.

  36. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nnnM-__JQ&ab_channel=MaxKellar

  37. When the Maple Leafs and Canadiens play one another, they do not play the USA anthem, nor would anyone expect them to.

    Wanna bet

  38. https://www.nbcsports.com/video/ever-wonder-do-nhl-teams-always-play-both-us-and-canadian-anthems

    NHL Policy

    Two Canadian opponents = Canadian anthem
    Two US opponents = US anthem
    Canadian vs US opponent = both anthems

    Exception = Buffalo Sabres- they always play both anthems, due to proximity to Canada and the many Canadian fans who attend the games

  39. I’ve attended baseball and hockey games here vs Canadian opponents where the Canadian anthems were played.

    Pretty cool thing, no one gets upset.

    There have been a number of beautiful and touching moments involving the anthems.

    At a Detroit Red Wings hockey game, the mic went out when they were singing the Canadian anthem, and the US fans belted it home a capella

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BHGqL6YOeQ

  40. great song Noel, but this one actually is more the current

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp4naqPTNIw&ab_channel=pixelverse

  41. From youtube comment on the Red Wings moment. Such a comment is not atypical. The anthems are not jingo, they’re the opposite of jingo.

    Doctor Detroit
    9 months ago
    In Detroit, we grow up thinking of our Canadian neighbors as part of the family. They are wonderful people, and it’s a pleasure to sing their wonderful anthem.

  42. they don’t get it Tom

  43. Who don’t get what?

    If you’re referring to the Canucks then I’ll stand aside for EP to respond. If you’re referring to the honest questions that I’ve asked above I freely admit that I ‘don’t get it’ and it’s exactly that what I’m asking you to explain.

    I don’t see why sports fixtures outside international mathches need the overt patriotism that Charles mentions above and would like to hear some of the reasoning behind it.

  44. I don’t think they need them. But I don’t have an issue with them either.

    I find both sides of the argument a little bizarre. I don’t understand the opposition to having the anthem played, but I also don’t understand the opposition to not having the anthem played.

  45. if phantom really believed in the words in the anthem he’d have taken to the streets this summer gone . so no its all bullshit , fake, posing making yourself feel better
    BLM are doing a good thing by taking the knee, using their one opportunity to make a bold statment, but the scardy cats d are just white privilege smug arseholes

  46. I’m not opposing them, (it’s nothing to do with me). I’m trying to find out why and what makes them an apparent intrinsic part of a non international sports event.

    (Apologies if the comment was general as opposed to a reply to my comment above).

  47. “I’m not opposing them, (it’s nothing to do with me). I’m trying to find out why and what makes them an apparent intrinsic part of a non international sports event.”

    Probably similar to Gaelic Games, in that their position is about more than simply the sporting contest played. It is about communities coming together, and even when community a is playing community b in a game they are still united by a single common nationality.

  48. Historically speaking in America the concept of being an American was questionable. Before the Civil War it was common for a person to consider themselves a Virginian, a New Yorker etc… first and an American second. After the Civil War there was the concept of the hyphenated American. People were Irish-American, German-American, Italian-American etc… With both context there was probably a greater desire to forge a singular, shared identity. Someone maybe an Irish-American New Yorker, and someone may be a German-American North Dakotan, but they were both American. And the best way to forge that (albeit originaly artificial identity) was in shared displays of national piety. So the pledge of allegience, the overuse of the national anthem etc…

  49. Probably similar to Gaelic Games, in that their position is about more than simply the sporting contest played.

    I don’t think the GAA is a good example. The GAA is mandated by its constitution to promote wider Irish culture and besides, it’s also pretty prevalent is contested areas. But, if what you suggest is the reason then fair enough.

    I couldn’t see two football or hurling teams walking off a pitch in the same circumstances.

    The overuse of the national anthem etc…

    Yep, I thik that’s a fair description and also deals with the crux of my questions.

  50. “I don’t think the GAA is a good example. The GAA is mandated by its constitution to promote wider Irish culture and besides, it’s also pretty prevalent is contested areas.”

    I think even if they removed Rule 4 from the GAA constitution then I believe there would still be a desire within most GAA clubs, most members, for flying the nationa flag and the playing of Amhrán na bhFiann before matches.

  51. Probably, but again, I don’t think it’s a good comparison.

  52. The GAA is in my opinion a very apt example.

    It is part of the culture of small town Ireland, as little league and high school and above college sports are part of US small and larger towns. And those sportsare the root of US pro sports.

    The US emotion would be quite similar to that in Ireland, even if there isn’t no rule in the little league baseball handbook that says ” you must play the anthem at precisely five minutes before the first pitch is thrown “. There’s no need for such a rule, no need for such any official policy.

    Again, if you need to ask a question like this, you can’t possibly understand the answer.

    Why not just respect what others do, even if it’s not what you may care to do? Who is hurt? Not hearing any Americans here kvetching.

  53. Again, if you need to ask a question like this, you can’t possibly understand the answer.
    Why not just respect what others do, even if it’s not what you may care to do? Not hearing any Americans here kvetching.

    Do you always have to be so condescending and abrasive?

    I asked a genuine question and Charles, Pat & Seamus have all commented and attempted to answer it civilly.

    If you want to engage why not just engage civilly without smartarsery? My patientce and tolerance of such shit is wearing thin.

  54. Who don’t get what?

    You, Seamus….. and Kurt’s in the twilight zone

  55. You seem to always be upset. Flying off the handle every week is just not good. Meditation can help with that.

    Maybe the next time you travel to Ireland, you can ask the locals, including long time barmen at traditional pubs, about the tradition of singing the national anthem at closing time in a pub or disco. You seem to be the only one here who has never heard of it.

    I imagine that the other Irish here have experienced this playing at closing time, a thing that is just as “nationalistic” as the US playing of the anthem at events, and to me, a thing just as innocuous, pure, good.

    Might not be common now, but it certainly used to be a thing over there. I saw it.

    Kurt is a SJW in a country that he doesn’t live in. That’s an interesting way to live.

  56. If you’re referring to the honest questions that I’ve asked above I freely admit that I ‘don’t get it’ and it’s exactly that what I’m asking you to explain.

    The floor’s yours, Pat.

  57. You seem to always be upset. Flying off the handle every week is just not good. Meditation can help with that.

    More smartarsery. The King never fails to deliver.

    Is it ‘singing’ or ‘playing’ the National Anthem at closing time in bars or are you just being your usual duplicitous self?

  58. I’ve seen both.

    At times it was sang acapella, at times a recording was played, but the patrons sang along with the recording

    Now that I think of it, I’ve witnessed it ( and participated in the singing ) maybe four or five times – in Dublin, in the country, in Derry ( oh yes ).

    I would think that anyone who has lived in Ireland would know of this ( good ) tradition.

    I guarantee that others here know about it, even Pete Moore, who knows his way around the block.

  59. I’ve sang it myself in bars on occasion. A group of people with drink taken singing the INA in a bar in Ireland is a completely different beast from bars in Ireland playing the INA at closing time, which I’ve never been witness to.

    And both are an absolute world away from needing to listen to a piece of music to enjoy a sports fixture.

  60. I agree with Seamus’ 5:40. Very astute.

  61. I agree with Seamus’ 5:40. Very astute.

    As I said in reply Charles, if that’s the answer then fair enough.

  62. The announcer should now be saying “Regular or large?”

  63. It’s strange when the most innocous questions are asked about such things how some Americans perceive it to be an attack and get all defensive.

    Funnily enough, I thought exactly the same thing reading through this thread.

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