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Ted Cruz on Censorship by Big Tech

By Patrick Van Roy On October 16th, 2020

45 Responses to “Ted Cruz on Censorship by Big Tech”

  1. Good points, well made. Can the Senate Judiciary Committee force the traitorous filth Dorsey to attend?

    Ted Cruz has become more impressive these last few years and not only because he is sporting fine whiskers. No doubt he’s eyeing a White House run one day.

  2. with a subpoena yes

  3. His diary is cleared for next week then – prepping for his friendly chat with the committee on Friday.

  4. Wonderful. Pete Moore backs political big state intimidation of private business owners !

  5. Colm, yep – the commie Pete Moore on his knees crying for Big Government to punish private property owners for publishing whatever they want to on their platforms.

    You hate to see it.

  6. These issues are complex.

    No serious person sees these companies as trying to rig the election, interfere in it or anything like that. That’s baby Donald talk.

    The usual suspects are admirably on message.

  7. Frank

    But I also get the feeling that using ridiculous phrases like “Traitorous filth Dorsey” Pete is really just having a big old laugh at this ‘scandal’

  8. Colm, Frank –

    Where did I back “political big state intimidation of private business owners”? The people who harrassed Christian bakers for being choosy in who they do business with do that.

    No, but there is something intriguing going on here. Left-liberals insist that retailers (at least white Cgristian ones) must serve anyone who walks through the door. You do too Colm. I know because you said so in here. Regardless of what you think of this issue, the same left-liberals suddenly insist that Twitter and Facebook, as private companies, should be free “to do what they like”. What an education.

    In my ideal world governments would be so powerless that the Twitters wouldn’t bother censoring political content or think that an election is worth any interference.

    As usual the real lesson is that government power which is too great will always generate financial, moral and political corruption.

  9. Twitter aren’t discriminating or engaging in political censorship Pete. They are just not willing to promote what could be a fake smear story until there is further verification. They are engaging in the due diligence many people often demand of them.

  10. Ok Colm. We’re British and don’t like to make a scene, so let’s pretend you actually believe that.

  11. I do my good sir, I do. Are you questioning an Englishman’s honour ? This may call for pistols at dawn 🙂

  12. “No, but there is something intriguing going on here. Left-liberals insist that retailers (at least white Cgristian ones) must serve anyone who walks through the door. You do too Colm. I know because you said so in here. Regardless of what you think of this issue, the same left-liberals suddenly insist that Twitter and Facebook, as private companies, should be free “to do what they like”. What an education.”

    Not really. Every organisation, every business, has rules of their operation. And if you break those rules then out you go. And as long as those rules aren’t themselves discriminatory then that is acceptable.

    The New York Post may have broken Twitter’s rules and so Twitter took action, temporary action, until it could confirm that.

  13. Pete

    Can you write anything you choose in the NY Post?

  14. Seamus –

    The New York Post may have broken Twitter’s rules ..

    Ok

    CNBC: Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey says blocking New York Post story was ‘wrong’

    As I said, the NYP did not break Twitter’s rules. Even Twitter agrees. Can we all agree now that no rules were broken (and that no Russians are involved)?

    Given that the President’s tweets were slapped with a warning and that his spokeswoman had her account suspended, both within hours of the NYP having its bombshell scoop censored, it’s rather undeniable that Big Tech is interfering in the election.

  15. Except that isn’t what Jack Dorsey said. Twitter have now changed their rules. That doesn’t mean that the NYP didn’t break them in the first place.

  16. “Given that the President’s tweets were slapped with a warning and that his spokeswoman had her account suspended, both within hours of the NYP having its bombshell scoop censored, it’s rather undeniable that Big Tech is interfering in the election.”

    It isn’t exactly a bombshell. It is unverified, unsubstantiated accusations that are being investigated by the FBI due to possible links to foreign intelligence agencies.

  17. Seamus –

    We know that what you say is wrong because the bombshell NYP scoop is an exception.

    Twitter and other Big Tech firms have allowed very many so-called unverified hacks to be published. They have even actively promoted them. Think of the Panama Papers. Think of Corbyn “exposing” the Tories as secretly planning to flog the NHS to rapacious American capitalists (if only they would). Think of the absurd Steele and Russia hoax which they hyped for years. Where was the “verification” on that planet-load of bullshit?!

    Nothing has been so censored before. This bombshell scoop is the exception. It alone, three weeks before the election, has been singled out for unique treatment. It is naked political interference and censorship.

  18. The Panama Papers were leaked, not hacked. Not a large difference but a difference. The Corbyn NHS dossier was only revealed to be hacked after publication (after the election I believe). The Steele dossier wasn’t a hoax, despite repeated assertions (yes assertions, not a shred of evidence to suggest that the reports aren’t geniuine), and it certainly wasn’t hacked.

    So in the examples you give only one was hacked and was only shown or believed to have been hacked well after the fact.

  19. Ted Cruz has become more impressive these last few years and not only because he is sporting fine whiskers. No doubt he’s eyeing a White House run one day.

    Pete

    He’s already running, you didn’t know? As is Josh Hawley. They are intelligent opportunists politicians who hope to steer the GOP back to sanity after Trump loses badly next month. But Don Junior will still be favourite for the nomination if he runs, because the party of Lincoln is currently a Trumpist cult.

  20. I don’t know that Baby Doc could fill an elevator, much less an arena

    Donald has a magnetism about him, that I do not see in the son

  21. But Don Junior will still be favourite for the nomination if he runs, because the party of Lincoln is currently a Trumpist cult.

    Let’s hope it sticks to a peacenik, pro-market winning formula, eh?

  22. Phantom, on October 16th, 2020 at 7:35 PM Said: Edit Comment
    These issues are complex.

    No serious person sees these companies as trying to rig the election, interfere in it or anything like that. That’s baby Donald talk.

    The usual suspects are admirably on message.

    The View from inside The Bubble.

    So according to Phantom no one cares, no one thinks that they’re trying to influence the election.

    Big Tech censoring conservatives has been a running story for years, the number one story in the country for the past 3 days has not been Hunters corruption, but the fact that Twitter and FaceBook deleted and blocked people discussing it.

    They not only blocked individual people from talking about it they blocked the 4th largest newspaper in the country and access to a government website causing the US Senate to schedule an issuing of Subpoenas for the heads of the 2 companies…..

    But according to bubble boy this is imaginary, no one believes they are interfering in not only an election but even worse violating free speech…..

    The people are outraged over it, the Senate is going after the owners of these companies over it, the FCC is in the process removing their lawsuit protection over it, and Treasury is about to bring anti-monopoly cases against all 3 companies over it….

    But the NYTs says it’s not real so to phantom and the rest of the bubble clowns it’s all imaginary…..

    I find it hard to believe that he’s that gullible, but read his own words.

    Dance all you want, spin all you want, the last 3 days we’re the straw that broke the camels back. At least 2 of these companies set themselves up for destruction, and google will likely lose control of YouTube.

    but it’s all imaginary…. not a serious issue….. the actions being brought to bear seem pretty serious for a non-serious issue.

  23. “The people are outraged over it, the Senate is going after the owners of these companies over it, the FCC is in the process removing their lawsuit protection over it, and Treasury is about to bring anti-monopoly cases against all 3 companies over it….”

    Otherwise known as Trump and his lackies are outraged that these companies wouldn’t be a party to their Russian disinformation campaign. And so, like the corrupt, charlatans that they are they are going to use their positions to attack them. All hail the Supreme Soviet, and the Dear Glorious Leader The Donald (peace be upon him).

  24. The FCC doesn’t establish the law on libel and slander.

    Who told you that they did?

    The Great One?

  25. hey bubble boy….. FCC has nothing to do with it….

    FCC chair calls for more oversight of Facebook, Google and …
    https://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-chair-calls-for-more
    Specifically, Pai said companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter need to be more transparent about how they operate their social media platforms. “Currently, the FCC imposes strict transparency…

    FCC to ‘Clarify’ Legal Protections for Twitter, Facebook …
    https://www.thewrap.com/fcc-to-clarify-legal
    1 day ago · FCC Chairman Ajit Pai on Thursday said the commission will move forward with examining Section 230. … it could become a major legal and financial liability for Twitter, Facebook and Google …

    FCC considers weakening protection for social media firms …
    https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/
    1 day ago · FCC Chairman Ajit Pai said his agency will begin a rulemaking to “clarify” the meaning of a law that gives broad legal immunity to companies such as Facebook and Twitter, which both curbed …

    Your mother called you Sunny cause your so bright didn’t she……

  26. “The FCC doesn’t establish the law on libel and slander.”

    Trump signed an Executive Order saying the FCC had the power to do so. Pretty sure that isn’t how the law works. Also pretty sure Patrick used to bitch and moan about Executive Orders going around Congress four years ago. But hasn’t really bitched and moaned about it for the last four years. What changed?

  27. Yes Phantom the ALL KNOWING…. lol

  28. Seamus –

    Otherwise known as Trump and his lackies are outraged that these companies wouldn’t be a party to their Russian disinformation campaign.

    You have better standards than this. There is no more evidence for this being a Russian disinfo campaign than there is for you being a kiddie fiddler. You know it. Biden is a kiddie fiddler. You’re probably not one.

  29. “hey bubble boy….. FCC has nothing to do with it….”

    Likely they don’t. The FCC charter is completely silent on Section 230. So it likely doesn’t have to power to do this. So Phantom is correct in saying “FCC doesn’t establish the law on libel and slander”. It helps to understand these things, rather than just parrot back what other people say.

  30. Big Tech is out of control and needs to be sorted. It poses a serious threat to democracy when it becomes the de-facto gatekeeper to what gets published online and what doesn’t.

    To be clear, I despise Trump and all his lies and I despise his media enablers like Murdoch and all their lies. But the NYP broke an important story (maybe a dubious story) and it was censored by Twitter and Facebook because they chose to censor it. We all know that Fox is a Rightworld propaganda channel and it makes no pretense to be otherwise, but social media is supposed to be a neutral channel. So we have a problem. Free Speech and all that.

    Biden will need to sort this out next year. But I won’t hold my breath.

  31. These anti First Amendment hijinks by a soon to be defeated president may not stand up in any court.

    Peter

    I can’t begin to think what a just solution to this would be.

    Many ( stupid ) people spend the entire day communicating on twitter and facebook. It’s one of the reasons why the US and UK are in the mess that they’re in, why many are so uninformed and partisan.

    The owners of those companies have the the right to set policy. Within limits. But what should the limits be?

  32. “You have better standards than this. There is no more evidence for this being a Russian disinfo campaign than there is for you being a kiddie fiddler. You know it. Biden is a kiddie fiddler. You’re probably not one.”

    I’m not a kiddie fiddler and no law enforcement organisation are currently investigation whether or not I am a kiddie fiddler. Thus such an idea would be completely baseless. There is, however, a law enforcement organisation investigating the role of foreign intelligence agencies in this hack.

  33. “but social media is supposed to be a neutral channel”

    Is it?

  34. You know it. Biden is a kiddie fiddler.

    You’re better than that Pete, at least most of the time. Your guy has at least 20 women who allege he assaulted them, and a porn actress who alleges he paid her off in 2016. All tramps and liars? Yeah, thought so.

  35. ATW is social media. Should DV have to post Sinn Fein and Hezbollah essays?

    No one has the right to force media to be ” neutral ” ( according to them ). Social media should be a discussion room set up by the owners, subject to the owners rules.

    facebook and twitter are not utilities or monopolies. There are loads of other ways to get your message out.

    To say that the NY Post / News Corp has been silenced is unintentionally hilarious.

  36. Phantom

    I think it’s obvious that Facebook and Twitter should be regulated. At present they can do whatever the ***k they like and that can’t be good for democracy. I agree that getting the regulation right will be the devil’s own job. But better to have some rules than none. It’s the wild west at the moment.

  37. “I think it’s obvious that Facebook and Twitter should be regulated. At present they can do whatever the ***k they like and that can’t be good for democracy. I agree that getting the regulation right will be the devil’s own job. But better to have some rules than none. It’s the wild west at the moment.”

    Regulated in what way? I’m not asking for chapter and verse but broad strokes?

  38. Seamus –

    I’m not a kiddie fiddler ..

    An unverified claim.

  39. Trump and his lackies are outraged that these companies wouldn’t be a party to their Russian disinformation campaign

    ah yes – the campaign that Hillary and the Dems arranged to distract from her own IT ‘difficulties’, with help from the FBI

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dni-brennan-notes-cia-memo-clinton

    “Per FBI verbal request, CIA provides the below examples of information the CROSSFIRE HURRICANE fusion cell has gleaned to date,” the memo continued. ““An exchange [REDACTED] discussing US presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s approval of a plan concerning US presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering US elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server.”

    Another source familiar with the documents told Fox News that “this information has been sought by hundreds of congressional requests for legitimate oversight purposes and was withheld for political spite—and the belief that they’d never get caught.”

    The source added that the Brennan notes are significant because it is “their own words, written and memorialized in real time.”

  40. But but but we know Ted Cruz wasn’t born in amurica

    Much to our shame he is Canadian

  41. So if Cruz was born in Canada but was able to run for and presumably become POTUS if he had won the GOP nomination what was all the Obama birther fuss about ?

  42. exactly

  43. By the same token Trump belongs in a zoo
    He’s got orangutan DNA .
    New research have found
    Guy down the pub told me who was reading the daily Star ⭐

  44. “So if Cruz was born in Canada but was able to run for and presumably become POTUS if he had won the GOP nomination what was all the Obama birther fuss about ?”

    The distinction is the age of the mother (broadly speaking). Had Obama not been born in the United States (which the birthers liked to pretend) then his eligibility for natural born citizenship would have come from legislation. The legislation states that if only one of the child’s parents had been an American citizen (as is the case of both Obama and Cruz) then the citizen (in both cases the mother) must have been resident in the United States for at least five years after her 14th birthday. Barack Obama was born when his mother was 18. So she had not been resident in the United States for five years after her 14th birthday.

    In Ted Cruz’s cases Eleanor Wilson was born in the United States and went to University in the United States in the 1950s and didn’t move to Canada until the late 60s. So, even though Ted Cruz was born outside the United States, with one foreign parent, he is a natural born citizen as he had a parent who was a citizen and had been resident in the United States for five years after her 14th birthday.

  45. Thanks Seamus, I knew you would have the answer, and what a rather ludicrous pernickety piece of legislation it is.

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