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TRUMP IS SUCH A MAD PEACENIK

By Pete Moore On October 23rd, 2020

Sudan is to normalise relations with Israel, US President Donald Trump says – the latest in a series of Arab League countries to do so.

Mr Trump has also removed Sudan from the US list of state sponsors of terrorism, unblocking economic aid and investment.

Announcing the deal, Mr Trump said “at least five more” Arab states wanted a peace deal with Israel.

It comes weeks after similar moves by the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.

According to many sages this anarchistic age of Trump will give way to more usual and normal times. I assume they mean a return to endless and futile wars all over the place. Gee, what a prospect, cannot wait.

83 Responses to “TRUMP IS SUCH A MAD PEACENIK”

  1. Enough of this foolishness and get the jukebox cranked up, fer Jauzuz sake.

  2. The Sudan move is good.

    If more Arab countries reach accords with Israel, also good.

    Trump deserves credit for that.

  3. Though again is largely just the codifying of what was already occuring on the ground. Members of the Saudi-led Sunni coalition are increasingly coming closer to Israel as the opposition to Iran intensifies. So Sunni-states inside the coalition (Saudi, UAE, Bahrain, Egypt, Sudan, to a lesser extent Morocco) will seek further relationship with Israel. Oman is also a potential in regards to this (though isn’t Sunni). Similarly after the end of Yemeni Civil War (and the introduction of a pro-Saudi dictatorship in Yemen) then Yemen will likely follow suit. Sunni states outside of the Saudi coalition, or less firmly members of it anyway, (such as Kuwait, Qatar) will likely not recognise Israel.

    So ultimately, like previous moves this is simply codifying what is already happening.

  4. It is, but it’s a bit amazing.

    Israel is no longer boxed to the east the way that they had been.

    I’m still getting my head around El Al flights over Saudi Arabia.

  5. So ultimately, like previous moves this is simply codifying what is already happening.

    yes yes this was all in place, just a matter of “codifying” it together the Trump administration deserves NO CREDIT…. what a totally moronic uninformed statement.

    Let me know if you think you can handle reality…. I’ll tell you what changed.

  6. “Let me know if you think you can handle reality…. I’ll tell you what changed.”

    Please go ahead and tell us what Hannity, Tucker or some random white supremacist on the internet thinks.

  7. FU you inbred terror supporter…..

  8. I can be more disrespectful of you and your views than you could EVER be towards me and mine.

    You’re to dumb to process info let alone debate or discuss an issue. Casting Pearls before swine……

  9. Now if you want to talk like men let me know, but act as a child you get treated like one.

  10. PVR –

    President Trump deserves a lot of credit. We know that if he was not himself but someone else he’d be the subject of endless, gushing profiles for the magnificent peace he is bring about.

    It is also the case that the strategic Middle East context, broadly around Shia vs Sunni, has its own momentum and is also in flux at the moment regardless of who is in the White House. Trump, it seems, has been smart enough to help nudge it away from conflict for now.

  11. Typical Patrick. Throws out insults and when you give even the mildest of insults back he loses his shit. Take your medicine boy and get back to us.

    “You’re to dumb to process info let alone debate or discuss an issue.”

    *too

  12. I’m still getting my head around El Al flights over Saudi Arabia

    Yes, Saudi will be the big one. Trump was hoping to get them to recognise Israel before election day but he needs the old king to die first.

  13. President Trump deserves a lot of credit

    Peace?

    Likely it’s the consolidation of polarisation along sectarian lines (Hi Britain!) which certainly will have future consequences in the region.

    I’d credit Trump with the strategy but I doubt he’s intelligent enough to conceive such a thing.

  14. A lot of this would be Israeli strategy with the US as a friendly actor to help make it happen.

    In my opinion it’s really good for the region and world. And if more Arab and Muslim countries join in, all the better.

  15. “In my opinion it’s really good for the region and world. And if more Arab and Muslim countries join in, all the better.”

    Except it largely isn’t. It isn’t a normalisation. It is the setting up of two opposing power blocs. I think most people would rightly regard the formation of the Entente and the Central Powers as being disastrous for Europe. A similar situation is now occuring in the Middle East, with the Saudis, the Emirates, Bahrain etc… on one side (allied to Israel and America) and Iran, Lebanon, Syria on the other side (allied to Russia and to a lesser degree China). To a certain degree a third side of Turkey just to add to the mess and confusion.

    A peaceful Middle East requires detente with Iran. But that hasn’t been the Trump strategy. Instead he has set about worsening the situation in the Middle East while setting up a tighter-knit anti-Iranian coalition. The long term outcome will likely be mass sectarian bloodshed in the Middle East.

  16. In my opinion it’s really good for the region and world. And if more Arab and Muslim countries join in, all the better.

    Perhaps, although I don’t think that’ll be the case. I suspect those iving in Gaza and in other areas of the ME will strongly disagree with your opinion.

  17. A peaceful Middle East requires detente with Iran. But that hasn’t been the Trump strategy. Instead he has set about worsening the situation in the Middle East while setting up a tighter-knit anti-Iranian coalition.

    Trump the Peacenik my arse. Don’t rule out a Gulf of Tonkin type “incident” in the Persian Gulf in the next few days, which just happens to require a US missile response. I’m sure his pal Bibi would be delighted to help out in any way he can in provoking an “incident”.

    If lapdog Barr refuses to come to heel and open an “investigation” into the Bidens then the only remaining option is a war. Otherwise the schmuck is heading for defeat on 3 November, and he knows that if he loses the Electoral College by 100 even the SCOTUS won’t be able to save him.

  18. Does Iran want detente with the conservative Sunni countries and with Israel?

  19. “Trump the Peacenik my arse. Don’t rule out a Gulf of Tonkin type “incident” in the Persian Gulf in the next few days, which just happens to require a US missile response. I’m sure his pal Bibi would be delighted to help out in any way he can in provoking an “incident”.”

    I’m not sure whether it would work or not. After the assassination of Qasem Soleimani Trump’s approval rating on his handling of Iran dropped by 9%.

  20. “Does Iran want detente with the conservative Sunni countries and with Israel?”

    Probably not. However even if detente between the two are not sought it would still be preferable if tensions weren’t being ratcheted up (by both sides).

  21. I’m not sure whether it would work or not.

    But at this stage Trump has nothing to lose. And a war would sure help Bibi.

  22. Bibi is a complete idiot if he wants a regional war that includes the US

  23. If Bibi thinks a war would help keep him out of jail of course he’ll go for a war, especially with Trump on board.

  24. After the assassination of Qasem Soleimani Trump’s approval rating on his handling of Iran dropped by 9%.

    Where? In the BBC newsroom? Not in the US or Iran.

  25. “Where? In the BBC newsroom? Not in the US or Iran.”

    Well yes in the United States. It being a poll of Americans after all.

  26. Trump asked Israel’s leader if ‘Sleepy Joe’ could have made Israel-Sudan deal

    “Do you think Sleepy Joe could have made this deal, Bibi, Sleepy Joe,” the president asked from his desk in the Oval Office. He inched forward to lean over the phone receiver. “Do you think he would have made this deal? Somehow I don’t think so.”

    WP

    What a complete drug addict this president is.

  27. The eternal question is what is the secret to the arabs agreeing to this? It will be interesting to see the details

  28. Seamus, on October 23rd, 2020 at 9:00 PM Said: Edit Comment
    Typical Patrick. Throws out insults and when you give even the mildest of insults back he loses his shit. Take your medicine boy and get back to us.

    “You’re to dumb to process info let alone debate or discuss an issue.”

    *too

    You called me a white supremist you ASS…… how did you expect me to react…… My views come from Hannity who I don’t watch or listen, Tucker who yes I do watch and use to back up arguments and positions I’ve already spouted, and some random white supremacist

    Screw you you Corbin clone ass…. This is the new thing then I’m not a LIAR I’m a white supremist….. well then you’re a tick turd terrorist… because YOU DO PROMOTE THEIR VIEWS!

    __________________________________________________________________________________

    The reason things have changed in the ME with Israel is very simple. Trump did what no other President did he put our exports to the area on the line of the deal…..

    The Arab Nations were given an ultimatum. “You make Peace with Israel or you get no Arms, and NO military support”, and then the most important thing was as he told them that he froze our military exports. Without American weapons and American military support Iran would run each and every country in the ME right over.

    If you are at War with Israel, You are our enemy…….

    Weighing the options:

    1. We make Peace with Israel we lose face, and the Pallies lose support.

    2. We don’t make Peace we lose our supply chain of weapons and the Iranians concur our country.

    That’s why you are seeing these peace deals NO OTHER REASON period. The ME States value their existance over their Hate for the Jews.

  29. EP

    The conservative Sunni Arabs are afraid of the still revolutionary Shia Persians.

    Especially the Gulf Arabs, who are smaller than Iran is.

    That’s the long and short of it.

  30. “You called me a white supremist you ASS…… how did you expect me to react…… My views come from Hannity who I don’t watch or listen, Tucker who yes I do watch and use to back up arguments and positions I’ve already spouted, and some random white supremacist”

    Well firstly – I didn’t call you a white supremacist. I said you got your views from white supremacists. Which you do. You posted from racist far-right websites all the time.

    “Screw you you Corbin clone ass”

    *Corbyn.

    ” This is the new thing then I’m not a LIAR I’m a white supremist”

    You regularly post lies. And you regular post stories from white supremacist blogs. If you don’t like that being pointed out then maybe you shouldn’t do it.

    And again – you insulted me first – when you accused me of making a ‘moronic uninformed statement’. You haven’t (and probably couldn’t) challenged the content of what I said but instead went straight for insults. Because for all your renaming yourself Patrick at heart you are still a Troll. And then I (mildly) insulted you back. And you have lost your shit. Because for all your renaming yourself Patrick at heart you are still a Troll.

  31. The Gulf Arabs had been quietly talking with Israel for years now, since well before Trump took office. They haven’t been at war with any Israel.

    I will imagine that these moves will last, including when the new administration comes in this January

  32. You regularly post lies. And you regular post stories from white supremacist blogs. If you don’t like that being pointed out then maybe you shouldn’t do it.

    FU Jeremy Jr

    So I’m a Liar and a White Supremist……

    You friggin little finean terrorist.

  33. “So I’m a Liar and a White Supremist……”

    Definitely a liar. Probably not a white supremacist. But a lot of your mates are. And you keep posting their stuff.

    “You friggin little finean terrorist.”

    *Fenian

  34. oh I insulted you first….. what a totally moronic uninformed statement.… OMG that’s horrible….

    Hey Jeremy Jr, did I say YOU were Stupid, did I say YOU were a Liar, did I say YOU were a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer…. No I said the statement YOU MADE was totally moronic uninformed and it is….

    Now you could have stopped with a simple Punch or two back, that’s fine and acceptable. What I will not tolerate is being called a LIAR, and I will destroy you or anyone for calling me a White Supremist.

    I take a ton of abuse from all of you, I take it as part of the game, and I’ve taken it for 20yrs. I have a Line everyone here knows…. don’t call me a Liar. Well now that the Lawyer has slinked off into the either that has pretty much stopped since Mahons was the driver of that, but you think you’re going to take his place with the Label of White Supremacy ?

    You got another think coming Jeremy Jr.

  35. Seamus – if white supremacy means areas of the world and countries where whites are prevalent in numbers and culturally and wish to remain so, is that bad?

  36. “oh I insulted you first….. what a totally moronic uninformed statement.… OMG that’s horrible….”

    Yes. You insulted me first instead of responding with an informed comment. I mildly insulted you back. And you have completely lost your shit over it.

    “Now you could have stopped with a simple Punch or two back, that’s fine and acceptable. What I will not tolerate is being called a LIAR, and I will destroy you or anyone for calling me a White Supremist.”

    Well firstly I didn’t call a white supremacists. I said you got your views from white supremacists. Which you do. On a regular basis.

    And if you don’t want to be called a liar then you should really, really stop lying.

    And you will destroy me? That did make me chuckle.

    “I take a ton of abuse from all of you, I take it as part of the game, and I’ve taken it for 20yrs. I have a Line everyone here knows…. don’t call me a Liar.”

    If you don’t lie then I won’t call you a liar. It isn’t complicated.

    “Well now that the Lawyer has slinked off into the either that has pretty much stopped since Mahons was the driver of that, but you think you’re going to take his place with the Label of White Supremacy ?”

    *ether

    Again I didn’t call you a white supremacist. I said you got your views from white supremacists. Which you do. On a regular basis.

    “You got another think coming Jeremy Jr.”

    *thing

  37. “Seamus – if white supremacy means areas of the world and countries where whites are prevalent in numbers and culturally and wish to remain so, is that bad?”

    Yes.

  38. Seamus unlike others, I won’t whine to David to ban you (I could do that myself),

    What I have done is lost what respect I had for you, which means nothing to you I’m sure, but it puts you in the FO group…. and dummy FO does not stand for FewsOrange, it stands for Fu** Off.

    Since I’m a Liar and a White Supremist in your view your just a piece of IRA merde in mine.

    This is how you want it, this is how it shall be.

  39. “Seamus unlike others, I won’t whine to David to ban you (I could do that myself),”

    Sure. I’ve done nothing to justify a ban (simply by responding to insults that you made in the first place). But yes you could ban me. It would show that your free speech spiel is nothing but complete hypocrisy (dare I say another lie)?

    “What I have done is lost what respect I had for you, which means nothing to you I’m sure, but it puts you in the FO group…. and dummy FO does not stand for FewsOrange, it stands for Fu** Off.”

    It honestly doesn’t mean anything to me. You have been completely ridiculous on this thread. You insulted me. I insulted you back. And you have completely lost your shit over it. This thread has shown absolutely nothing but the fact that you are a complete child.

    “Since I’m a Liar and a White Supremist in your view your just a piece of IRA merde in mine.”

    Again I didn’t call you a white supremacist. Reading comprehension doesn’t seem to be your strong point. I did call you a liar but then you are a liar. That isn’t even an insult. It is simply a fact.

    What is not a fact is that I am not an IRA shit (doesn’t change it by putting it into French – I though you hated the French, was that another lie?).

    “This is how you want it, this is how it shall be.”

    You insulted me. I insulted you back. So this is clearly how you wanted it. You do this to almost everyone here. You insult them and if any of us stand up to you, you lose your shit. Because you are nothing more than a coward and bully.

  40. no Jr….. If you knew ANYTHING about the United States Which you don’t. You’re good at looking stuff up but you don’t know a damn thing….

    “You got another think coming Jeremy Jr.”

    *thing

    Hey Jr You got another think coming is an AMERICAN colloquialism for longer than I’ve been alive, but you don’t know shit, so you didn’t know that and as every fool that plays spelling and grammar nazi you point out misspellings or bad punctuation because you lack the ability to argue your point with weight so you try to devalue the opposition by “oh oh look this guys such an idiot he can’t spell” but it means nothing except a show of desperation for validity to your point….. but especially when your so totally ignorant in your knowledge of anything american to know even a very common saying it emphasizes how much of a fool you are.

    When I say I will destroy you Seamus it’s not a threat, I will never dox you or harass you off these pages. No what I will do is no matter the topic punch holes in every and any argument you put forth. You’re very smart and a damn good researcher….. I’m better.

    And the least you could do is grow a set of BALLS.

    When you say someone supports the views of White Supremacists you ARE calling them a White Supremist, I guess that’s another thing about americans you don’t know or understand. But I believe you know that, you just lack the balls to say it. Now I’ve never posted White Supremist bullshit on this site, I have no friends that are white supremacists, and if an article I post or link to is written by someone the left calls a White Supremist it’s a 99% certainty that they are not…. If you knew and understood the United States you’d know that EVERYONE that does not tout the democrat line is immediately labeled a White Supremist, a Racist.

    And I won’t stand for it.

    If you think I am a Liar and White Supremist as you have repeatedly stated it’s very simple.

    Don’t comment on my threads, don’t bring me up in any comments, or just leave the site.

    I came on this site today to argue politics, instead I’ve had to deal accusations of being and associating with White Supremacists.

    It is you who have disrupted this thread.

  41. To everyone else who had to read this nonsense between Seamus and myself I offer you my apologies and my sympathy.

  42. Lol pats legendary berserk meltdowns number 444
    I see the same playbook here as DJT
    He was asked repeatedly about issues effecting the American people
    All he could do is whine about himself
    Pat you’ve adopted the worst aspects of your leader make benefit great state of USA ( Borat )

  43. “so you didn’t know that and as every fool that plays spelling and grammar nazi you point out misspellings or bad punctuation because you lack the ability to argue your point with weight so you try to devalue the opposition by “oh oh look this guys such an idiot he can’t spell” but it means nothing except a show of desperation for validity to your point”

    Actually it doesn’t. It pretty much started as a joke that you were calling me “too dumb” but couldn’t even spell “too dumb” properly. So it was largely pointing out the ironic stupidity of your comments.

    “When I say I will destroy you Seamus it’s not a threat, I will never dox you or harass you off these pages. No what I will do is no matter the topic punch holes in every and any argument you put forth. You’re very smart and a damn good researcher….. I’m better.”

    Please do. In fact if you had simply done that at the start of this thread instead of derailing the topic by insults then all of this unpleasantness could have been avoided. But you don’t have that ability, either to punch holes in any argument I make or to avoid being an unpleasant troll.

    “When you say someone supports the views of White Supremacists you ARE calling them a White Supremist, I guess that’s another thing about americans you don’t know or understand. But I believe you know that, you just lack the balls to say it. Now I’ve never posted White Supremist bullshit on this site, I have no friends that are white supremacists, and if an article I post or link to is written by someone the left calls a White Supremist it’s a 99% certainty that they are not…. If you knew and understood the United States you’d know that EVERYONE that does not tout the democrat line is immediately labeled a White Supremist, a Racist.”

    Well firstly I was very specific. I don’t think you are a white supremacist. I think you are gullible and have bought into the whole Trump anti-media spiel, and because of that you get all of your views from either Trump-approved media or from far-right sites on the internet. And many of those far-right sites do involve white supremacists or anti-semites.

    Just this week you posted an entire article from a website from someone who was fired from the Trump administration for attending a white supremacist conference. So it wasn’t just the left pointing out the white supremacy but the Trump White House.

    “Don’t comment on my threads, don’t bring me up in any comments, or just leave the site.”

    No. As I said above you could ban me, or ask David to ban me. It would show that your free speech arguments are nothing but yet another lie. But you could do it. But until then I will comment when and where I see fit.

    “I came on this site today to argue politics, instead I’ve had to deal accusations of being and associating with White Supremacists.”

    Qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent.

    And actually you came on this site, threw out insults, and then have cried like a little bitch when someone stood up to you over them. Like you normally do.

    This site is peaceful when people let you get away with your shit. If anyone calls you out on it the the site descends into this sort of stuff. Because you are a spoilt little child and a bully.

    “It is you who have disrupted this thread.”

    It wasn’t actually. I commented on the topic at hand. You responded with an insult. It was very much so you who disrupted the thread.

    “To everyone else who had to read this nonsense between Seamus and myself I offer you my apologies and my sympathy.”

    Everyone else reading this thread knows exactly what has happened. Not least because it has happened so many times before. It was me this time. Previously it was many different people. The constant in all of it – you. You need to grow the fuck up boy.

  44. //This site is peaceful when people let you get away with your shit.//

    The site is peaceful when sane people ignore it and its author. But you don’t.

  45. to a degree Noel that’s right
    the bottom feeders like Troll occupy the 0 -10% where it a muddy waters ( and shite )
    can’t see owt as its too dark , smelly

    there is the other 90% of the tank to swim about in and interact
    but flare ups occur..
    me I like the splashing on the surface, going upstream like a salmon if i ave the heart for it .

    the gammons are wayy wayy below , “descending the stair” and not to put too fine a point on it but I’m happy they eat my turds 😉
    and on that bombshell have a great day, i’m orf singing and playing music ..

  46. That way of thinking allows a bit of grace and gratitude someone has to clean the bottom of the tank. It’s a mucky job

  47. Noel,

    //This site is peaceful when people let you get away with your shit.//

    The site is peaceful when sane people ignore it and its author. But you don’t.

    I suppose the question is, do ATW’ers want a peaceful and boring site, where the gobshites are allowed to spout their nonsense unchallenged, or do we want some robust interaction between people, with challenging discussions and arguments? (Albeit sometimes one-sided.)

    To be honest I think this site is fast approaching just becoming a platform for certain people to post their views on unchallenged.

  48. The site is peaceful when sane people ignore it and its author. But you don’t

    Interesting comment.

    Doesn’t the fact that this is a political discussion site kinda defeat that purpose?.

    I’m aware that there are a number of comments (overwhelmingly from the right) which are made here solely to provoke, wind up & generate comments but should such hyperbolic propaganda and blatant untruths be ignored & remain unchallenged for fear of it of it turning into a he said-she said ad hom as it occasionally seems to do?

  49. Whoops!

    Apologies, Dave seems to have beaten me to the punch.

  50. nope sorry you don’t get away with blaming crossing the line on me Seamus.

    You can call me childish, a dick, asshole, stupid, a fucknut, a Whop, Mic, Punk, inbred or any other derogatory name of remarh you want.

    But I will NOT stand for being called a Liar or a Racist you did both, and you still insist that I’m a Liar. and I carry White Supremist Fleas,,, so FU Seamus.

    The things I print are lies and conspiracy and the things you believe are gospel, now excuse me if this is insulting skippy…. but as smart as you are your the gullible one.

    It doesn’t bother you that in 3 years of investigation no Russian Collusion was found, nothing Criminal was found on Trump and they examined everything. That doesn’t matter you believe it, at the moment I can’t remember at the moment whether your the one who still believes in the Steele dossier or not, but some of you do.

    I on the other the “Conspiracy” I believe in after 3 weeks of it being reviewed went immediately into a CRIMINAL investigation into the FBI framing Trump and we already have one Guilty Plea for doing just that. Oh but that means nothing.

    No sorry but your great sources have fed you bullshit, the evidence shows it to be bullshit, but you’re not bright enough to put 2 + 2 together.

    As for free speech……. Did I remove a single word you said ?

    I don’t have to ask David for anything in regard to this site, he’s given me a freehand and has for years. I will fight and argue with you, David won’t. If you clowns behaved towards him the way you do me you’d be in the file with FewsOrange.

    Seamus you’ve said it, you’ve repeated it, you feel I’m a Liar but just like the other things you believe you have no evidence.

    Take Noels advice.

  51. “The site is peaceful when sane people ignore it and its author. But you don’t.”

    I would have to politely disagree Noel. In my opinion you don’t appease bullies in the hope that things will remain civil. Because the bully will just keep on bullying. You have to stand up to bullies, even if it causes difficulty.

    “nope sorry you don’t get away with blaming crossing the line on me Seamus.”

    I crossed no line. I posted a factual comment on my views on the Israel-Sudan deal. You then insulted me rather than attempting to argue against it. I then mildly insulted your behaviour on this site. And you have lost the fucking plot over it. Because you are a bully who isn’t used to people standing up to him.

    “You can call me childish, a dick, asshole, stupid, a fucknut, a Whop, Mic, Punk, inbred or any other derogatory name of remarh you want.

    But I will NOT stand for being called a Liar or a Racist you did both, and you still insist that I’m a Liar. and I carry White Supremist Fleas,,, so FU Seamus.”

    I don’t actually care what you will or won’t stand for. You lie repeatedly. You are dishonest repeatedly. You quote or repost the views of anti-semites, white supremacists and other racists repeatedly.

    If you don’t like being called out on that then maybe you shouldn’t do it. You seem to think that you posting lies and you posting racist blogs is acceptable but people calling them lies or people calling them racist is not.

    “I on the other the “Conspiracy” I believe in after 3 weeks of it being reviewed went immediately into a CRIMINAL investigation into the FBI framing Trump and we already have one Guilty Plea for doing just that.”

    For a guy who screams like a little bitch at being called a liar there you go with yet another lie. As was discussed only a week or so ago the guilty plea had nothing to do with Trump, framing or otherwise. It was an FBI lawyer lied over whether or not Carter Page was a CIA source.

    So again stop lying.

    “Seamus you’ve said it, you’ve repeated it, you feel I’m a Liar but just like the other things you believe you have no evidence.”

    Your repeated lies that you didn’t call Christine Blasey Ford a slut, your repeated lies about COVID-19 (and your changing positions on it depending on the topic at hand – anything from it just being the flu to it being a biological weapon), your repeated lies that you didn’t support blowing up children of Sinn Féin supporters, your repeated restatement of lies around climate change, your anti-semitic conspiracy theories about education, the USS Forrestal, repeated lies about the media, the number of people in a stadium, and countless others.

    “Take Noels advice.”

    Noel’s advice is to let a bully continue to bully people. I disagree with Noel’s advice.

  52. BTW, in these days of annoying restrictions on my social life, I have resorted to watching TV series together with a few friends. Before this, I had only ever watched Breaking Bad, but then last week started “The Affair” and yesterday “Tehran”, supplied appropriately enough by a gent hailing from that city.

    It’s an Israeli production, a spy thriller, and has a very clear Israeli bias and some, often quite silly, propaganda. I believe it was shot for the most part in Cyprus.
    But it’s very good, has some really good actors and the story’s well told with a gripping pace.

    Recommended.

  53. //Noel’s advice is to let a bully continue to bully people. //

    Wrong. He bullies only people who engage and disagree with him and don’t flatter his ego.
    A bully needs oxygen.

    Frankly, it’s a bit embarrassing to see a commenter of your calibre being dragged into the gutter, Seamus.

  54. “Wrong. He bullies only people who engage and disagree with him and don’t flatter his ego.”

    But is it not the point of this sort of site? To engage and discuss issues, and yes disagree with people?

    “Frankly, it’s a bit embarrassing to see a commenter of your calibre being dragged into the gutter, Seamus.”

    To be fair I don’t think I’m in the gutter. Even the (mild) insults that I have directed against Patrick have truth and fact behind them. There is nothing I have accused him of that is not true.

  55. Exactly what point are you making Noel?

  56. It doesn’t bother you that in 3 years of investigation no Russian Collusion was found, nothing Criminal was found on Trump and they examined everything.

    Collusion between the Trump campaign & Russia was found:

    A redacted report written by special counsel Robert Mueller’s office and released April 18 by Attorney General William Barr said there were “multiple contacts — ‘links,’ in the words of the Appointment Order — between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.” But “the investigation did not establish such coordination” between the campaign and Russia.

    “In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russia offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away,” the Mueller report said. “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.”

    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/what-the-mueller-report-says-about-russian-contacts/

    Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” […]

    Those links included Russia offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away,” the Mueller report said. “Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.”

    https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/

    It wasn’t a criminal investigation.

  57. Recommended.

    I don’t know if you have access to Netflix, Noel. There’s an RTE produced mini series (2 seasons) on it called ‘Rebellion’ about the lives of three women just prior to and during the Rising. It’s a pretty good period drama.

    If you haven’t seen the RTE produced Dublin crime series ‘Love/Hate’ do yourself a favour and rectify it immediately.

  58. I’m going to recommend the new Borat movie, and I haven’t even seen it yet.

  59. All this controversy with Sacha Baron Cohen and Rudi Gulliani made me think of this.

    ‘Where does Terry Wogan stand? Was he not in the IRA?’

    And of course the classic

    ‘Is you Irish?’
    – No, I’m British
    ‘So is you here on holiday?’

    Never gets old:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCNG5UeKMZw&ab_channel=celticken7&fbclid=IwAR3zHGTlaaBgQmA9X58jEWdfIb3OI0WJ4hM0g8n-UcUBnTMXqrbGIVzH8h4

  60. Your repeated lies that you didn’t call Christine Blasey Ford a slut, your repeated lies about COVID-19 (and your changing positions on it depending on the topic at hand – anything from it just being the flu to it being a biological weapon), your repeated lies that you didn’t support blowing up children of Sinn Féin supporters, your repeated restatement of lies around climate change, your anti-semitic conspiracy theories about education, the USS Forrestal, repeated lies about the media, the number of people in a stadium, and countless others.

    “Take Noels advice.”
    Your repeated lies that you didn’t call Christine Blasey Ford a slut
    Noel’s advice is to let a bully continue to bully people. I disagree with Noel’s advice.

    Noel’s advice was don’t engage.

    Your repeated lies that you didn’t call Christine Blasey Ford a slut

    Put it up…. if I said it several times paste the comments. You can’t cause that is YOU Lying not me.

    My position on the Chicom Flu has not changed, it is a Flu and it’s death rate per people infected is less than the yearly flu. The only thing I changed my position on is wearing a mask. And I changed it when a reliable group of scientists at Los Alamos traced it’s path through the body using bioweapons analysis software. So when FACTS go against my view I change it. Unlike you I don’t pretend to know everything, and when EVIDENCE is shown that contradicts my point of view I can change my position BASED ON EVIDENCE and I made that perfectly clear when I changed my position on masks.

    The Chicom Flu is a bioweapon, and escaped from the Bioweapons Lab in Wuhan.

    your repeated restatement of lies around climate change,

    Climate Change is a Fraud, the math doesn’t add up. I posted a story on a thread earlier this week where NASA released a report they have buried for 60yrs that state my exact reason for the change of climate. The Sun and the Earths orbit.

    For more than 60 years, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has known that the changes occurring to planetary weather patterns are completely natural and normal. But the space agency, for whatever reason, has chosen to let the man-made global warming hoax persist and spread, to the detriment of human freedom.

    It was the year 1958, to be precise, when NASA first observed that changes in the solar orbit of the earth, along with alterations to the earth’s axial tilt, are both responsible for what climate scientists today have dubbed as “warming” (or “cooling,” depending on their agenda). In no way, shape, or form are humans warming or cooling the planet by driving SUVs or eating beef, in other words.

    But NASA has thus far failed to set the record straight, and has instead chosen to sit silently back and watch as liberals freak out about the world supposedly ending in 12 years because of too much livestock, or too many plastic straws.
    The biggest factor affecting earth’s climate is the SUN
    As for earth’s obliquity, or its change in axial tilt, the below two images (Robert Simmon, NASA GSFC) show the degree to which the earth can shift on both its axis and its rotational orientation. At the higher tilts, earth’s seasons become much more extreme, while at lower tilts they become much more mild. A similar situation exists for earth’s rotational axis, which depending on which hemisphere is pointed at the sun during perihelion, can greatly impact the seasonal extremes between the two hemispheres.

    your repeated lies that you didn’t support blowing up children of Sinn Féin supporters,

    Fine you want to open this battle again lets do it…… you terrorist supporting git. You don’t want me talking about the IRA and it’s supporters period.

    your anti-semitic conspiracy theories about education,

    ????? please post an example of what the hell you’re talking about because I’ve never said anything about anti-semitic education. I’ve discussed the Communization of the education system, maybe you’re not bright enough to understand the difference. Prove you are with an example of my anti-semitic conspiracy theories about education let’s see it.

    McCain was responsible for the Forrestal Fire.

    and countless others…..

    Where’s your proof Jr ?

  61. Absolutely brilliant Paul. I do love the way Sacha baron Cohen gets celebrities and politicians to embarrass themselves.

    Chris Morris is also brilliant at don’t that, as this video for his made up drug ‘cake’ shows:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXNFedtDgeI

  62. “Put it up…. if I said it several times paste the comments. You can’t cause that is YOU Lying not me.”

    http://www.atangledweb.org/?p=75848

    If she can call Kavanaugh a rapist and sexual predator I can call her a slut.

    “My position on the Chicom Flu has not changed”

    It has. Repeatedly.

    “Climate Change is a Fraud, the math doesn’t add up.”

    The math does add up. The models are accurate. And every time you tell this lie it is pointed out to you. And yet you continue to lie.

    “Fine you want to open this battle again lets do it…… you terrorist supporting git. You don’t want me talking about the IRA and it’s supporters period.”

    No I don’t like it when people openly support murdering children. Criticise the IRA all you want. But you will get criticised for wanting to kill kids.

    “????? please post an example of what the hell you’re talking about because I’ve never said anything about anti-semitic education. I’ve discussed the Communization of the education system, maybe you’re not bright enough to understand the difference. Prove you are with an example of my anti-semitic conspiracy theories about education let’s see it.”

    Your cultural Marxism control of education is not only anti-semitic. It was developed by the Nazis. You are literally spreading anti-semitic Nazi lies.

    “McCain was responsible for the Forrestal Fire.”

    No he wasn’t. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he was. It is yet another of your lies.

  63. Climate Change is a Fraud, the math doesn’t add up. I posted a story on a thread earlier this week where NASA released a report they have buried for 60yrs that state my exact reason for the change of climate. The Sun and the Earths orbit.

    Where is the link please.

  64. You don’t want me talking about the IRA and it’s supporters period

    I can’t answer for Seamus but I would certainly have no problems with that.

    As an American I don’t expect you to be clued up on the nuances of the Irish conflict but when you do speak about it I find your comments on the subject almost unbelievably naivé and simplistic and think if you approached the matter honestly as opposed to a political prism you could learn a great deal.

    Chris Morris is also brilliant at don’t that, as this video for his made up drug ‘cake’ shows

    Yeah Dave, Brass Eye really was savage satire at its best.

  65. McCain was responsible for the Forrestal Fire.

    WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE YOU KEEP PROMISING PATRICK. IF YOU CAN’T PROVIDE EVIDENCE THEN YOU’RE LYING!

  66. Pat this site nails your LIE about McCain
    Has everything you need or anyone one needs to determine the truth
    its shows both sides, how the accusation came into existence
    ( a political hit job by Trumpers on McCain because he took some positions against Trump
    and had to be dealt with )
    You’re still continuing the smear, despite it 100% being a compete fabrication

    you said if you have EVIDENCE you’d change your mind

    here’s the EVIDENCE:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-fire-uss-forrestal/

  67. https://www.snopes.com/faq/makes-snopes-reliable-resource/

    What makes Snopes a reliable resource?
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    We like to think our portfolio of work speaks for itself. But we wouldn’t be particularly reliable fact-checkers if we didn’t corroborate that.

    In a profile on BBC News, Snopes is described as “the go-to bible for many fact-checkers.”

    “I haven’t done a paper in the past 10 years that I haven’t also checked to see what Snopes had to say about it first,” Patricia Turner, professor of folklore at UCLA, told the Los Angeles Times. “Anything that raises hairs on the back of my neck, I go to Snopes.”

    “Do the Snopes.com articles reveal a political bias?” wrote FactCheck.org. “We reviewed a sampling of their political offerings, including some on rumors about George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and we found them to be utterly poker-faced.”

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    Feeling skeptical? That’s probably a good sign. Keep looking for more information. We will, too.

  68. here’s what will happen after that depth charge:

    1) pat will fuck off for the rest of the day

    2) reappear at UK time 2.am ( when no-one is online )

    3) steam out some bollocks about McCain

    4) That passes for debate in his mind

    5) same shit , diff day

    6 ) get called out as a liar , has meltdown and react like a liar found out

    7) Goto 1) Loop

  69. Patrick Van Roy, on September 19th, 2018 at 1:48 PM Said: Edit Comment
    If she can call Kavanaugh a rapist and sexual predator I can call her a slut.

    You have no problem with her calling him those things. As usual your argument is idiotic.

    Full content of a statement reflects a different picture than you paint.

    No I don’t like it when people openly support murdering children. Criticise the IRA all you want. But you will get criticised for wanting to kill kids.

    I didn’t support murdering their children but you and others refuse to see it any other way.

    What I said and I meant it was those of you that support these animals should have their children blown up randomly and the parents should have no complaints since they support people who do exactly that to other civilians, and I meant it……

    I view the IRA no different than the mafia, their animals and should be put down. I believe if you support animals you coconspirator and only one step from being classified as an animal yourself.

    This has been my stance on the IRA since day one, and it will not change.

    Now you can fight about it all you want, I won’t it’s a settled issue.

    As for the Chicom flu no you’re just wrong. The only thing I ever reversed myself on was the masks.

    Your cultural Marxism control of education is not only anti-semitic. It was developed by the Nazis. You are literally spreading anti-semitic Nazi lies.

    “McCain was responsible for the Forrestal Fire.”

    No he wasn’t. There is not a shred of evidence to suggest he was. It is yet another of your lies.

    Marxism is being taught in our schools that’s just a simple fact. Do you live here, do you raise children here? I do, and have. I homeschooled my children because of it. I don’t care where the program was developed and I don’t care.

    McCain caused the accident on the Forrestal the evidence proved it, but he was not punished for it because of his father. He was a lousy pilot who got shot down but he was a model of courage as a prisoner, then he came home and exploited his military career for profit and office where he lead a crusade his entire career against the first amendment which is why he’s a traitorous scum. He betrayed his oath to protect and preserve the constitution period.

    I’m ending my part of this conversation because it serves no purpose, but please continue without me.

  70. Interesting thread !

  71. McCain caused the accident on the Forrestal the evidence proved it, but he was not punished for it because of his father.

    Lies, lies, lies.

    This whole disgusting lie about John McCain came from a blog site which contained a huge amount of misinformation and lies. No crew member of the Forestal who survived ever even hinted that John McCain might have in some way have been responsible.
    To continue pedaling this disgusting lie, rather than man up and admit you’re wrong shows what a coward you are.

  72. Colm,

    Interesting thread !

    I thoroughly enjoyed it. 😋

    Seamus was definitely the star of The show.

  73. “Full content of a statement reflects a different picture than you paint.”

    No it doesn’t. You called her a slut. A potential victim of sexual assault a slut, because she accused a potential rapist that you supported.

    “I didn’t support murdering their children but you and others refuse to see it any other way.”

    Because you said it. Are you now accepting that it was wrong for you to have said that?

    “Now you can fight about it all you want, I won’t it’s a settled issue.”

    Nothing to do with fighting. It is about honesty.

    “Marxism is being taught in our schools that’s just a simple fact.”

    Well it isn’t. The Marxist infiltration of education is Nazi propoganda. Literally Nazi propoganda.

    “McCain caused the accident on the Forrestal the evidence proved it.”

    What evidence? You have repeatedly failed to provide any evidence that McCain caused it. Simply the rantings of other far-right conspiracy theory types.

    “I’m ending my part of this conversation because it serves no purpose, but please continue without me.”

    Your part in the conversation never served any purpose. In fact the conversation had purpose (a discussion of the merits of the recent Sudan-Israel deal) until you decided to derail it.

  74. “Seamus was definitely the star of The show.”

    I aim to serve.

  75. ZZZZZZZZZZ

    But Paul’s link at least made reading this thread worthwhile.

  76. But Paul’s link at least made reading this thread worthwhile.

    I notice you haven’t answered my question Noel.
    Here it is again: exactly what point are you making in regards to Patrick?

  77. The same one as Daphne makes.

  78. Threads like this are precisely why i don’t come here very often these days.
    It’s sad.

  79. //Threads like this are precisely why i don’t come here very often these days.
    It’s sad.//

    Yes, sad to hear that, JM. You and I probably don’t agree on much, but I always like to read your opinions. There’s still place for you here.

  80. Noel,

    The same one as Daphne makes.

    Unless I’m mistaken, Daphne recommends ignoring Patrick completely.
    As far as I can see, you do not ignore Patrick. You just don’t challenge his bulshit.

    It seems that almost anyone with any sort of fight on this site, has either left of their own accord, or been banned. Some great posters like fewsorange and Masterson are certainly missed by me. I’m sure you’ll get your wish soon Noel, and the site will just be left with people who don’t stand up to bullies, and ranting nutcases.

  81. Noel Has nailed Patrick to the cross for his bullshit multiple times

    He’s just not doing it every day

  82. Phantom.
    I never said Noel hasn’t done that in the past, Noel is a good debater and as you have he has nailed Patrick to the wall in the past.
    What I’m addressing here is his criticism of others or arguing with Patrick. He says he agrees with Daphne but she says Patrick should be completely ignored to starve him of attention. Which is actually good point.
    The point I’m making is he doesn’t ignore Patrick, he just doesn’t argue with him anymore and berates others who do.

  83. Lads (and lady).

    There’s far too much talking about people’s personalities here, (and yes, I’ve been guilty of it myself occasionally), and too little discussion on the issues raised, and ATW is hemorrhaging readers and commentators because of it.