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Always a good read

By Patrick Van Roy On October 26th, 2020

The incredible decision by Twitter and Facebook to block access to a New York Post story about a cache of emails reportedly belonging to Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s son Hunter, with Twitter going so far as to lock the 200 year-old newspaper out of its own account for over a week, continues to be a major underreported scandal.

The hypocrisy is mind-boggling. Imagine the reaction if that same set of facts involved the New York Times and any of its multitudinous unverifiable “exposes” from the last half-decade: from the similarly-leaked “black ledger” story implicating Paul Manafort, to its later-debunked “repeated contacts with Russian intelligence” story, to its mountain of articles about the far more dubious Steele dossier. Internet platforms for years have balked at intervening at many other sensational “unverified” stories, including ones called into question in very short order:

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55 Responses to “Always a good read”

  1. The guy who wrote the story for the NY Post refused to have his name on the byline because it was unverified.

    The ( conservative ) WSJ news staff didn’t believe that the story was valid.

    You beat a dead rhinoceros with this jive.

  2. This entire laptop story is highly questionable.

    Verify. Be skeptical.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/new-york-post-joe-biden-hunter-biden-ukraine-corruption-rudy-guliani-b1160302.html

  3. “Lots of holes in the chain of events that don’t make sense from the perspective of a repair shop,” Gay Gordon-Byrne, the executive director of the Repair Association, told Motherboard in an email. “In the real world, repair shops need to know the name of the customer in order to get paid. The equipment doesn’t just get dropped off in the night like a foundling on the steps of the nunnery.”

    Taking the narrative in the NY Post at face value, the Delaware repair shop behaved horribly by not protecting its customer’s data. It is a nightmare for the perception of independent repair shops, who are supposed to fix their customers’ computers, or perhaps recover data for a customer, not snoop on their hard drives. To be clear, this sort of behavior is rejected by every serious repair shop in the industry.

    One expert Motherboard spoke with said that accessing the MacBook’s hard drive would have been difficult because of Apple’s basic security features.

    Matt Zieminski, the director of Partnerships at RepairQ—a company that provides software services to repair stores—also expressed concerns about the ethical breach.“If this did occur it would be a serious breach of customer privacy and not something that most repair shops, most reputable repair shops anyways, would even consider doing,” he told Motherboard in an email. “I know many in the industry who have fired employees for much less when it comes to customer data and privacy.”

    This was a sentiment echoed by every repair expert Motherboard spoke with. “Repair professionals are entrusted with their client’s personal data. It is harmful to the industry, and short-sighted for this repair shop, to share information from a client’s computer in any situation, even non-payment,” Kyle Wiens, the CEO of iFixit, told Motherboard in an email. “People should not fear their information will be held hostage in a payment dispute.”

    “The repair shop behaved horribly,” Gordon-Byrne said. “They should never have peeked at the data (most shop managers would fire anyone that did this on the spot), and definitely should never have copied the hard drive. These are ethical violations.”

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/qj4gqv/the-ny-posts-hunter-biden-laptop-story-is-a-right-to-repair-nightmare

    No part of Patrick’s laptop yarn makes any sense.

  4. The guy who wrote the story for the NY Post refused to have his name on the byline because it was unverified.

    Yep.

    That should have had alarm bells ringing from the off.

  5. Dave

    You’re a tech guy, your comments on the laptop story would be welcomed.

    This sounds like a) the laptop repair store owner is off the charts unethical and b) the story itself doesn’t add up from any angle, even perhaps from a technical point of view.

  6. Does Joe Biden know his son’s name?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAR8OAOdzr4&feature=emb_logo

    MMAFighter38
    MMAFighter38
    14 hours ago
    He doesn’t need a teleprompter. He need a ventriloquist

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8878991/Joe-Biden-appears-confuse-Trump-Bush-calls-president-George-virtual-rally.html

    Donald Trump has mocked ‘Sleepy’ Joe Biden for forgetting who was president after the Democrat candidate said ‘we need to stop four more years of George.’

    Biden was last night addressing a virtual concert when he said: ‘Four more years of George, er, George, er, he – we’re going to find ourselves in a position where, if Trump gets elected, we’re going to be in a different world.’

    The 77-year-old appeared to receive a prompt from his wife Jill who was sitting beside him, muttering ‘Trump’ under her breath.

    Hours later President Trump blasted Biden, tweeting: ‘Joe Biden called me George yesterday. Couldn’t remember my name. Got some help from the anchor to get him through the interview. The Fake News Cartel is working overtime to cover it up!’

    Many speculated that Biden was thinking of George W. Bush, president from 2001-09, or perhaps George H.W. who was in office from 1989-93.

    The blunder once again raises questions about Biden’s mental capacity – a topic Trump has repeatedly referenced in the run-up to the election.

    Joe Biden should have nominated his wife as VP-candidate. At least she knows who she’d be running against.

  7. Joe Boden says….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA8a2g6tTp0&feature=emb_logo

    “Secondly, we are in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration, the president Obama’s administration before this. We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

  8. Oops – Biden, though it Boden could be more appropriate:

    https://dictionary.reverso.net/german-english/boden/forced

    den Boden unter den Füßen verlieren – to lose one’s footing

  9. As a Mac user on three platforms, I would simply confirm the following:-

    If your Mac is accepted for repair, you are asked to supply All password, ID and log-on details. If the repair shop doesn’t have these details, it cannot access the basic frame architecture so that it can determine if there are any malware activities within the system.

    How do I know this?

    Simple, last year I carted my desktop Mac to the Apple-franchised menders, gave them access, and the problems were sorted.

  10. Never mind that none of this is a new story, never mind that there are 3 other laptops and 5 phones all with corroborating evidence, never mind that neither Joe or Hunter deny that this is his laptop, and that these are real documents……..

    It’s all “Russian Disinformation” Never mind that you have the fourth estate the Press refusing to even look at the information to verify FOR THEMSELVES whether or not the stuff is real to sum it up the attitude of the MSM as in regard to even look at the stuff and verify whether it’s true…… from the mouth of Christiane Amanpour.

    Talking with Harrington, Amanpour, at her sneering best, tries to dismiss the laptop story by once again suggesting that it’s some sort of Russian ploy. The two go back and forth about that for a while.

    Then, Amanpour says this: “As you know perfectly well, I’m a journalist and a reporter and I follow the facts. And there has never been any issues in terms of corruption,” referring to the Bidens. Here is what follows:

    HARRINGTON: Wait, wait, wait!

    AMANPOUR: The FBI —

    HARRINGTON: How do you know that?

    AMANPOUR: I’m talking about reporting and any evidence. I’m talking to you now —

    HARRINGTON: I would love if you guys would start doing that digging and start doing that verification.

    AMANPOUR: Now, we’re not going to do your work for you. I want to ask you a question —

    HARRINGTON: That’s a journalist’s job!

    AMANPOUR: —contrary to what —

    HARRINGTON: It’s a journalist’s job to find out if this is verified!

    Play close attention to Amanpour’s statement: “We’re not going to do your work for you.”

    Whether she intended to or not, she managed to perfectly encapsulate the corrupt state of the Fourth Estate.

    According to Amanpour, for the mainstream media to spend time investigating a Democrat for wrongdoing amounts to a violation of journalistic standards. It is “doing Republicans’ work for them.” She just admitted that she believes a journalist’s job is to do the Democrats’ bidding.

    The fact that Amanpour felt comfortable saying this on the air — and that no journalist or news outlet has criticized her for doing so — shows just how deeply embedded this sentiment is among journalists.

    but there is no coverup by the Press, no Blackout, Nor apparently EVER going to be an investigation by them… It’s Russian Bullshit move along……. It is no longer the Press’s job….. they are “Journalists” not Reporters. Their job is to SHAPE THE NEWS……..

  11. Who told you that the laptops are genuine?

    Who said that the information was genuine?

    The guys who wrote the story didn’t have confidence in it

  12. Who told you they weren’t ?

    CNN/MSNBC/NYT/WAPO/ABC/NBC/CBS/BBC….. ?

    Only two News Agencies have looked and investigated the data. NYPOST/FOX every other news company has REFUSED to look at the data…… but they know it’s false?

    How do they know Phantom ?

  13. The guys who wrote the story didn’t have confidence in it

    That’s spin Skippy….. The PAPER felt confident enough in it’s validity to run it and several stories every day since….. even after being blacklisted.

  14. The guy who wrote the story at the NY Post didn’t want his name on the headline

    That might give you a clue

    And the WSJ news department did not think it was credible

    Keep wasting your time with this nonsense as election day comes closer. Tick tock.

  15. The paper is owned by your Trump buddy Rupert Murdoch

    But the reporters who looked at what they had didn’t believe in it

  16. Never mind that there are 3 other laptops and 5 phones all with corroborating evidence

    Never mind that you’ve never been able to link to one external credible source to support these allegations despite being repeatedly requested to do so.

  17. Trump and Sean Hannity say that it’s true so Patrick says that it has been verified.

    Imagine how stressed these guys will be eight days from now.

  18. Phantom,

    Dave

    You’re a tech guy, your comments on the laptop story would be welcomed.

    Thanks very much for your confidence in me Phantom.
    I don’t normally get involved in these discussions, but I decided to read up on everything related to this story.
    First off from a technical point of view, Mike Cunningham is right in that even if the repair shop didn’t need access to the contents of the hard drive, they would normally ask you for a username and password to allow them to access the operating system and associated software. Although I have no idea what ‘basic frame architecture’, that Mike mentions is. But it sounded impressively technical.
    Most people give them this personal information two technicians, even though in many cases is not required. As Gary Glitter found out to his cost.

    The story basically states that Hunter Biden took his water damaged laptop in for repair. and the technicians whilst looking it, found lots of incriminating information and pictures on the hard drive.
    In my opinion whether the story is true or not, is at this time unverifiable.
    Is this a disinformation tactic to pass on incriminating information during a presidential election, to low standard publications that accept stories of this nature with very little evidence to back them up? Are some aspects of this story true, (such as the crack pipe pictures), while others have been falsified to create a false sense of believability (such as the Ukrainian energy emails)?
    I personally don’t think there is enough evidence at this time to make a decision either way.

  19. I personally don’t think there is enough evidence at this time to make a decision either way

    The only things I have seen are a photo with Biden Jr and what looks to be a pipe in his mouth and a claim that someone from Burisma met Biden Snr, which the Biden camp denies took place.

    Anything else have been unverified claims from the NYP that they have mails and unverified allegations of what they allegedly say.

    As a matter of fact, much like the original story the writer(s) of this ridiculously weak rebuttal refuse to put their name(s) to it:

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/18/unverified-is-a-false-excuse-for-ignoring-hunter-biden-scoops/

  20. so the bottom line to all of you is the behavior of the press doesn’t matter, and whether the allegations are true or not you just simply don’t care….. Trump must lose no matter what, it’s gonna happen no matter what you have to swallow.

    Very sad gentleman. Also it’s going to to be piss shit funny when Trump wins and all these chickens come home to rooost on the Democrat party.

    It should be four straight years of fun posts….. on my part.

  21. How could any reporter who doesn’t have the laptop etc verify anything?

    How would they go about doing that in a few days?

  22. Patrick Van Roy,

    so the bottom line to all of you is the behavior of the press doesn’t matter, and whether the allegations are true or not you just simply don’t care….. Trump must lose no matter what, it’s gonna happen no matter what you have to swallow.

    I don’t know where that was addressed at me or not, but I’ve already pointed out I don’t know if the allegations are true or false. It’s not that I don’t care, it’s simply that I don’t know.
    And as I pointed out before, I think both choices in this presidential election are pretty piss poor. I’m not necessarily anti-Trump, (despite you repeatedly claiming I am Patrick.) But I don’t like or trust the guy. This two choice for the American people to make, and I’m not an American.

    What I will say is I find all this evidence coming to light now, pretty f****** suspicious.

  23. So the bottom line to all of you is the behavior of the press doesn’t matter, and whether the allegations are true or not you just simply don’t care

    The bottom line is if you want me to take claims seriously then you’ll have to produce credible evidence of your claims.

  24. Patrick

    Does this sound realistic to you

    That a California resident would damage three laptops, and then would bring them to a repair shop run by a blind man in Delaware.

    The owner of the laptops never picks them up ( red flag )

    The shop owner doesn’t have the contact information of the owner and never tries to get it, never tries to reach the owner ( red flag ) ( It should not be that hard to reach Mr. Biden on something like this )

    The shop owner betrays his duty to his customer by sending the customer’s personal information to the customer’s enemies ( huge breach of ethics, red flag )

  25. Dave take a breath, I didn’t even read what you wrote… sorry.

    I’m primarily in a conversation with Phantom… and of course the rest of you, but the election is in 7 days Phantom is not a Democrat, but he is on the presidential front in the opposite camp from me. He is also the only other American on this site.

    He has the same “perspective” and awareness of things about our society that neither he nor I could ever emote to any of you….. Rules of our basic culture are being violated. This last year has been the worst in my lifetime and I remember the civil rights era… that was for a reason… this isn’t

    It is he who has to explain just how much he’s willing to swallow based solely on his hate of Trump.

  26. Phantom throw away Hunters laptop….. did the Russians create Hunters two exbusiness partners Turned over from their Lawyers and Bobulinski who turned his over to the FBI himself…

    those 3 computers were made by the Russians? Really… who told you that ?

    Those three independent laptops have corroborating evidence….. those are russian fakes?

    that’s your position?

  27. Charles and Daphne aren’t Americans?

  28. Maybe I live too close to Mexico? 🙂

  29. Charles and Daphne aren’t Americans?

    They are both most certainly Americans and Texan salt of the earth.

    Neither are writers here and neither are here everyday, all day… like both Phantom and I are….

    I love ya charles, and I accept Daphne please don’t take offense

  30. and you didn’t answer the question Phantom, you deflected….. Why?

  31. Those three independent laptops have corroborating evidence…..

    And again, please, please link to this ‘independent corraborating evidence’

  32. //Never mind that there are 3 other laptops and 5 phones all with corroborating evidence//

    3 laptops, 5 phones, and all with evidence.
    Hunter must have been throwing evidence around as freely as those Patsies of Allan who caused the World Trade Towers to collapse.

    //the election is in 7 days //

    It would be cool if the ATW crowd could have an election night session here, and even better if some of the old crowd would drop by.

    A bit late for me, but I stayed up till 4 am last time. I remember finally climbing into bed and my wife asking me how it had gone. When I told her the result she sat right up wide awake: “What?”

  33. It would be cool if the ATW crowd could have an election night session here, and even better if some of the old crowd would drop by.

    Who’d you have in mind, Noel?

    A bit late for me, but I stayed up till 4 am last time

    I’d love to but that’s two hours before I have to get up.

    The election is in 7 days

    Yep, if the Trump camp have anything more than hearsay and innuendo they better make hay while the sun shines.

  34. And again, please, please link to this ‘independent corraborating evidence’

    Paul…… I am not Privy to the corroborating evidence, but the Director of National Security for the United States of America has said on National TV that the Laptop is genuine and there is corroborating documents on the other Laptops.

    Now you may be comfortable with dismissing the heads of our intelligence dept’s as liars.

    Me and a lot of Americans are not. It is why the Phoney Steele Dossier and Russian Collusion was accepted was because Clapper and Brennan were on TV saying it was real……

  35. //Who’d you have in mind, Noel?//

    Just about everybody. Alison, Patty, Pinky, Aileen, Jo, Mairin, Monica, etc, and that’s just the women…

    If Trump wins, his fans and all anti-Americans will have something to celebrate.

  36. i have offered several times to do a live feed on youtube

    not much response, pat initially showed interest then has backed off

    peeps too worried about their faces being shown, fuck knows

    it would make a long night , that bit more interesting to have a back and forth

    about the election and related matters, even if just to chat about bollocks in between

    the results ..

    I’m still game, but would need a bit of support to get it going .

    Pat are you game or is the kool-aid of Hunter all encompassing

    you’re like a dog with a bone .. must be tasty for ya ..i guess ..

  37. Me and a lot of Americans are not

    Pat, you and Trump metaphorically kicked the domestic US intelligence services all over the place five minutes ago. Do you really think that people have such short memories?

    Again, if you want me to take your claims seriously produce the ‘independent corraborating evidence’

    Just about everybody

    I think the only authentic conservative voices on ATW now are Charles & Phantom.

  38. Noel,

    I have no idea why but years ago I made this gmail account

    sigmamelodies@gmail.com

    I think I fancied myself as a musician or some such bollocks

    anyhow I don’t mind sharing it out publicly as its used just for youtube

    and a few things like google hangouts

    which now is superseded by the much better whatsapp on mobile

    anyway could you drop me a line

    and i think pat will certainly post the link to the live a day or two before

    the event , just so everyone knows how to join in .. if they fancy an online

    natter ..

  39. 3 laptops, 5 phones, and all with evidence.
    Hunter must have been throwing evidence around as freely as those Patsies of Allan who caused the World Trade Towers to collapse.

    They all worked together Noel……… who do you think the emails were going back of to?

    These are Business Emails. The other Laptops are from other members who are involved in whatever it is Hunter and Joe did or didn’t do……. These people were INVOLVED in their noncrimes and who have come forward to the FBI before they come pounding on your door…..

    These are Hunters Business Partners and when a story broke that Hunters Laptop russian made or real has been in the hands of the FBI since last december for a money laundering investigation they shit themselves and started working deals to turn their stuff in before they can make no deal……

    Please both drink and smell the coffee.

  40. Who are involved in whatever it is Hunter and Joe did or didn’t do

    There’s that innuendo that I was speaking about.

    The rest of the post is baseless invention.

  41. lol pat, its always funny seeing an old man run around with a hard-on in public
    i guess you can still get it up though , so that’s something to be proud of ..
    the Hunter story is like a last viagra for the old guard ( hannity tyoes ) before the crash in a week . Enjoy the fantasy , lmao

  42. Pat, you and Trump metaphorically kicked the domestic US intelligence services all over the place five minutes ago. Do you really think that people have such short memories?

    Actually no but you must……

    At the very beginning I said show me the evidence…. I’ll hand out the pitchforks and torches.

    Well less and less evidence of russian collusion was found and more evidence of illegal misconduct by federal officials creating an illusion were uncovered. Right now there’s an fbi lawyer sitting in federal prison for falsifying evidence while conducting this misconduct, and more are coming……. I see no one in jail or ever even charged with working with the russians from the Trump camp

    Unlike any of you with Biden, I held the door open that they might just find something on Trump….. but they didn’t sorry that you can’t either grasp that or accept that.

  43. Patrick

    Be honest, you are just salivating over this story. You desperately want it to be the Watergate of 2020 that will sink Biden’s chances regardless of its veracity. That is why you have out up a zillion posts about it. You want this little bit of cheap gristle to turn into a juicy big T bone steak, but as the famous old advert said “ Where’s the Beef” . 😉

  44. There’s that innuendo that I was speaking about.

    no you git it’s called sarcasm………. lol

    I mean that affectionately of course…..

  45. colm, are you missing the flynn posts ? not that i would want to steele this latest dossier 😉

  46. Colm I pray that this story is true I pray that Joe Biden, Jill Biden, Jim Biden and every one who did business with them get publicly lynched…… IF THE EVIDENCE IS PROVEN

    This would expose how the real corruption takes place in Washington…… You will find this corruption on both sides.

    The only way it will ever be stopped is EXPOSURE which is the press burying the story is even more damaging than the crimes.

  47. Oh Kurt please don’t mention Flynn. I mean the only saving grace with Patrick’s numerous Hunter Biden posts is that at least that are not about bloody Flynn 😉

  48. Actually no but you must……

    Oh pleeeease. We all remember you and the Great Leader denigrating the domestic US intelligence services all over the place.

    No you git it’s called sarcasm

    Fair enough, let me retort with a bit of my own sarcasm,

    You’ve nothing on Biden Snr while Trump’s a lying, thieving whoremonger.

  49. oh and notice how Phantom slipped away and never answered my question…….

    coward

  50. Patrick

    You should be praying that the story is false. I mean you wouldn’t want your next POTUS to be corrupt now would you ? 😉

  51. Paul

    Lying (bad) thieving ( bad) whoremongering ( mmmmm) 😉

  52. even Putin is pooping on the turnip

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-leaves-trump-hanging-and-says-theres-nothing-criminal-about-hunter-biden-and-ukraine?ref=home

  53. oh no colm its out there on whacko gateway pundits site
    the link

    “Flynn – Hunter Biden” – its never gonna stop …..

    “While Hunter Biden Walks Freely with Millions from Russia, the Ukraine and China, General Flynn Waits for Crooked Judge to End His Case”

    i know i shouldn’t be feeding Troll, but what the heck .. 😉

    its an act of mercy, given what is coming next week ( probably ) <—- lawyers insert

  54. actually in a rare moment Kurt came across something….

    “While Hunter Biden Walks Freely with Millions from Russia, the Ukraine and China, General Flynn Waits for Crooked Judge to End His Case”

    That thought is not shared in the country, but that attitude is……. one set of rules for them and F everybody else….. Now that is promanant and his been growing for four years.

  55. Could be as big as the Durham report pat eh ?
    Still think this is all just viagra for the base
    Especially when you talk with enthusiasm about things growing for four years .
    I maybe wrong , but just connecting the dots man